Cheers!

Ed Lopez

On 1/26/2018 at 6:21 PM, "Linda Dunbar" <linda.du= nbar@huawei.com> wrote:

The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Faci= ng Interface YANG Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interfac= e-data-model-04

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank = you".

Thank you.

Linda & Yoav

--=_1d466ce754c9f3d9e06a955886469636-- From nobody Tue Feb 6 08:47:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0A91270A3 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 08:47:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=hushmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sh0FwpV2HinU for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 08:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.hushmail.com (smtp2.hushmail.com [65.39.178.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8853812702E for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 08:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.hushmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CA08A0B1E for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 16:47:36 +0000 (UTC) X-hush-tls-connected: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=hushmail.com; h=date:to:subject:from; s=hush; bh=ByLxTdIr6FxJN/m+/sMLBhIXXhs975n6CJ+U7Js8yxg=; b=FF596wW7/hHkuwADEDpltsDjhgoDXYibWt3jn7KoIJxZ91nCFmaseHJIkDeiokSWjectkaDbx8vahSRqLfpkXJcsVUqLp35Wpxk7D6MGoT8gw9vAl+aUl1KDUAan6yMqIdaN+zhJSk2Dh5cAbYmvDH6konTHDDqRnRqXyEUBXmyl8QT+yzeMvzO67Kdgmvgdk7IV1B4MZuwW8xuSGbLOFzDQoCIS4VjztRjTpdyoKYCN5pCkejWdvJyGnaIIVPtArhhf9+V7pumD8Q5VR+7ARrVCgSx21Y1cN+e83VOpWjPxfnmPlZC/5LLM216/6Gdqz5/BMejRkx8KKWcaSM/J9g== Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w5.hushmail.com [65.39.178.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp2.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 16:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 74D6BA0161; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 16:47:35 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 11:47:34 -0500 To: "Linda Dunbar" , i2nsf@ietf.org From: elopez.ietf@nym.hush.com In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B002215@SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_608545fa6cea6bcffa1ac5bd0a828b3a" Message-Id: <20180206164735.74D6BA0161@smtp.hushmail.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 16:47:38 -0000 --=_608545fa6cea6bcffa1ac5bd0a828b3a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes, I support this draft, and thank the authors for their effort! Cheers! Ed Lopez On 1/26/2018 at 6:23 PM, "Linda Dunbar" wrote: The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 Have requested working group adoption of this draft. Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn’t mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a working group to work on. While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". Thank you. Linda & Yoav --=_608545fa6cea6bcffa1ac5bd0a828b3a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Yes, I support this dr= aft, and thank the authors for their effort!

Cheers!
= Ed Lopez

On 1/26/2018 at 6:23 PM, "Linda Dunbar" <linda.dunbar@hu= awei.com> wrote:

The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model

https://tools.ietf.= org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.=

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank = you".

Thank you.

Linda & Yoav

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To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point. I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host of problems, such as: - sec 4: it is unclear what is meant by "Objectives", see below - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or what its objective is - secs 4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of events and conditions (though their grammar needs improvement) - sec 4.4 provides a superficial definition of an action that needs tightening up The above are troublesome, as all definitions are clearly defined in the terminology draft. For a long time now... :-( And I really don't understand why this section is labeled "Objectives". Objectives of what? An event? of the data model? something else? - sec 5.1: I don't understand the design of the YANG module at all - the ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface module appears to describe a policy rule, but is given the name of an interface. In addition, why does generic-nsf contain a policy (i2nsf-security-policy)? Put another way, the name of the module is the name of an interface, but doesn't describe an interface, and more importantly, NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by the policy engine - Worse, why are the event, condition, and action containers NOT inside the policy rule? - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is the resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???) - the design of the condition clause is not scalable. In an OO design, one does NOT simply list a hundred attributes in a class. We decided that the YANG module would be designed in an OO style. - same problem for the action clause Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong. Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. regards, John On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > > > The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Dat= a > Model > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing- > interface-data-model-04 > > > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > --=20 regards, John --001a114b1098c06c1005649395d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IMHO, the purpose o= f a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting= point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I a= m NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting= on the technical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a= good starting point. Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., gramm= ar), there are a host of problems, such as:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: it is= unclear what is meant by "Objectives", see below

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF= SecurityPolicyRule is, or what its objective is

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - secs 4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of event= s and conditions (though their grammar needs improvement)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - sec 4.4 provides a superficial defini= tion of an action that needs tightening up

The above are troublesome, as all definiti= ons are clearly defined in the terminology draft. For a long time now... :-= ( And I really don't understand why this section is labeled "Objec= tives". Objectives of what? An event? of the data model? something els= e?

=C2=A0= =C2=A0 - sec 5.1:=C2=A0 I don't understand the design of the YANG modul= e at all

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - the=C2=A0ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface module appears to= describe a policy rule, but is given the name of an interface. In addition= , why does generic-nsf contain a policy (i2nsf-security-policy)? Put an= other way, the name of the module is the name of an interface, but doesn= 9;t describe an interface, and more importantly,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by the= policy engine

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - Worse, why are the event, conditi= on, and action containers NOT inside the policy rule?

=C2=A0=C2= =A0 - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is t= he resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - the design of the condition clause is not = scalable. In an OO design, one does NOT simply list a hundred attributes in= a class. We decided that the YANG module would be designed in an OO style.=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - same problem for the action c= lause

Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will N= OT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

regards,

John

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.d= unbar@huawei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Faci= ng Interface YANG Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

regards,

John=

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The OO design takes time, so we will try to address it later. You can suggest the good OO design based on our next revision. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:31 AM, John Strassner wrote: > IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the > draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. = To > be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen= t. > Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point= . > > I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point= . > Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos= t > of problems, such as: > > - sec 4: it is unclear what is meant by "Objectives", see below > - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or > what its objective is > - secs 4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of events and conditions > (though their grammar needs improvement) > - sec 4.4 provides a superficial definition of an action that needs > tightening up > > The above are troublesome, as all definitions are clearly defined in the > terminology draft. For a long time now... :-( And I really don't understa= nd > why this section is labeled "Objectives". Objectives of what? An event? o= f > the data model? something else? > > - sec 5.1: I don't understand the design of the YANG module at all > - the ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface module appears to describe a > policy rule, but is given the name of an interface. In addition, why does= generic-nsf > contain a policy (i2nsf-security-policy)? Put another way, the name of > the module is the name of an interface, but doesn't describe an interface= , > and more importantly, > NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by > the policy engine > - Worse, why are the event, condition, and action containers NOT > inside the policy rule? > - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is > the resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???) > - the design of the condition clause is not scalable. In an OO design, > one does NOT simply list a hundred attributes in a class. We decided that > the YANG module would be designed in an OO style. > - same problem for the action clause > > Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong. > > Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT > accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. > > regards, > John > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > >> >> >> The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG >> Data Model >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-inter >> face-data-model-04 >> >> >> >> Have requested working group adoption of this draft. >> >> >> >> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft= current >> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a >> working group to work on. >> >> >> >> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are >> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> Linda & Yoav >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I2nsf mailing list >> I2nsf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >> >> > > > -- > regards, > John > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --089e0825e998ecacd3056493bcdf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi John,

Thanks for your good suggestions on our draft= . :-)

We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revisi= on except the OO design for the YANG data model.

The OO design ta= kes time, so we will try to address it later.

You = can suggest the good OO design based on our next revision.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Paul

On Wed, Fe= b 7, 2018 at 8:31 AM, John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com> w= rote:

IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to ackno= wledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants t= o accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness= of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of th= e starting point.

I do NOT feel= that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. Ignoring thin= gs that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host of problems, = such as:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: it is unclear what is meant by "O= bjectives", see below
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or what = its objective is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - secs = 4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of events and conditions (though their g= rammar needs improvement)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 - sec 4.4 provides a superficial definition of an action that needs tig= htening up

The above are troublesome, as all definitions are clearly defined in the t= erminology draft. For a long time now... :-( And I really don't underst= and why this section is labeled "Objectives". Objectives of what?= An event? of the data model? something else?

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 5.1:=C2=A0 I don'= ;t understand the design of the YANG module at all
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - the=C2=A0ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface module appears to describe a policy rule= , but is given the name of an interface. In addition, why does generic-nsf contain a policy (i2nsf-security-policy)? P= ut another way, the name of the module is the name of an interface, but doe= sn't describe an interface, and more importantly,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by= the policy engine
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - Worse, why are the event,= condition, and action containers NOT inside the policy rule?
=C2= =A0=C2=A0 - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., wh= y is the resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???)
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - the design of the condition clause i= s not scalable. In an OO design, one does NOT simply list a hundred attribu= tes in a class. We decided that the YANG module would be designed in an OO = style.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - same problem for the ac= tion clause

Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and w= ill NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

regards,
John

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, L= inda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:
=

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Faci= ng Interface YANG Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-in= terface-data-model-04

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

_____________________________________= __________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

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regards,
Joh= n

_______________________________________________
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) J= eong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwa= n University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com,=C2=A0pauljeong@skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.= skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php

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To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point. I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host of problems, such as: - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface. Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of the YANG is incorrect. - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able to have multiple tenants? - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authentication method even is? - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child? - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant? - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here? I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong. Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. regards, John On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > > > > > The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer- > facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > --=20 regards, John --001a1140131ec40e5c056493caf1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a= good starting point. Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., gramm= ar), there are a host of problems, such as:

=C2=A0=C2= =A0 - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG= for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is mul= ti-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization= of the YANG is incorrect.

=C2=A0= =C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module<= /div>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is multi-= tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able to ha= ve multiple tenants?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - w= hy does a domain have an authentication-method? First, mult= iple such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain kno= w what an authentication method even is?

=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a leaf with= in policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn't domain ha= ve a reference to policy-tenant?

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are t= hey here?

= =C2=A0I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG wil= l be wrong.

Therefore, the document is NOT a good startin= g point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

regard= s,

John

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunb= ar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
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I2nsf@ietf.org
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regards,

John=

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You can give us your advice on our next revision. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner wrote: > IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the > draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. = To > be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen= t. > Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point= . > > I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point= . > Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos= t > of problems, such as: > - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN= G > for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface. > Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is > multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care > about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of > the YANG is incorrect. > - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module > - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN > be able to have multiple tenants? > - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple > such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know > what an authentication method even is? > - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child? > - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a > reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant? > - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they > here? > > I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b= e > wrong. > > Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT > accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. > > regards, > John > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin >> g-interface-dm-04 >> >> >> >> Have requested working group adoption of this draft. >> >> >> >> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft= current >> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a >> working group to work on. >> >> >> >> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are >> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> Linda & Yoav >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I2nsf mailing list >> I2nsf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >> >> > > > -- > regards, > John > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --f403043d111090c3990564940dc2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi John,

Thanks for your constructive sugg= estions on our draft. :-)

We authors will clarify your suggestions on = the next revision.

You can give us your advice on our next r= evision.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Paul

On Wed,= Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote:

IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to ac= knowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG want= s to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completen= ess of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of= the starting point.

I do NOT = feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. Ignoring = things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host of proble= ms, such as:
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr= aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the= Consumer-Facing Interface.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name = of the interface, whose first element is multi-tenancy, that also contains = policies? Policies do not care
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. = They do care about domains. The organization of the YANG is incorrect.
<= /div>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is multi-tenancy at the = top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able to have multiple tenants?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain have = an authentication-method? First, multiple such methods= should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authent= ication method even is?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? = This should be a reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to = policy-tenant?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy = roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?

=C2=A0I could go on,= but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NO= T accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

regards,
John

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda= Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-fac= ing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

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t18mr275178lja.41.1518134903271; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 16:08:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.199.145 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 16:08:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B00899A@SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B00899A@SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com> From: John Strassner Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 16:08:22 -0800 Message-ID: To: Linda Dunbar Cc: "i2nsf@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f771ea1760d0564bc53cc" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 00:08:28 -0000 --f403045f771ea1760d0564bc53cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A "Policy Domain" is an administrative domain in which a set of Policies are used to ensure that managed entities in that domain behave in a desired manner. Policies can be used for configuration, monitoring, access control, and other behavior. Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature. regards, John On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > John, > > > > Since you are the policy expert, what does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80= =9D commonly refer > to? > > Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D be one policy applying to a set of te= nants? Or one > policy applying to a set of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a > set of policies? > > > > Thank you. > > Linda > > > > *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM > *To:* Linda Dunbar > *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the > draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. = To > be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen= t. > Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point= . > > > I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point= . > Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos= t > of problems, such as: > > - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN= G > for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface. > Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is > multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care > about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of > the YANG is incorrect. > > - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module > > - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN > be able to have multiple tenants? > > - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple > such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know > what an authentication method even is? > > - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child? > > - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a > reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant? > > - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they > here? > > > > I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b= e > wrong. > > > > Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT > accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. > > > > regards, > > John > > > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > > > > > The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer- > facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > > -- > > regards, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > --=20 regards, John --f403045f771ea1760d0564bc53cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A "Policy Domain" is an administrative doma= in in which a set of Policies are used to ensure that managed entities in t= hat domain behave in a desired manner. Policies can be used for configurati= on, monitoring, access control, and other behavior.

Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature.

<= br>

regards,

John

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59= PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:
=

John,

=C2=A0

Since you are the policy expert, what= does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D commonly refer to?

Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D b= e one policy applying to a set of tenants? Or one policy applying to a set = of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a set of policies?

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Linda

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;c= olor:#1f497d">=C2=A0

From: John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-fac= ing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra= ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work t= hat WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objec= ting on the technical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. = Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host = of problems, such as:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr= aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the= Consumer-Facing Interface.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e= lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or= ganization of the YANG is incorrect.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0ieft-i2n= sf-cf-interface module

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is mu= lti-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able t= o have multiple tenants?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain= have an au= thentication-method? First, multiple such methods should= be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authentication method even is?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s= ibling of domain, and not a child?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l= eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn't d= omain have a reference to policy-tenant?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have= nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above = means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

=C2=A0

Therefore, the document is NOT a good st= arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

=C2=A0

regards,

John

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@hua= wei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
h= ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

--

regards,

John

_______________________________________________
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I2nsf@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

regards,

John=

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I think the draft is at a good start, based on a = running code, so I support this draft for WG draft adoption.

Regards,

Seil = Jeon

From: I2nsf = [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda = Dunbar
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 8:24 AM
To: = i2nsf@ietf.org
Subject: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-d= m-04

The authors = of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-faci= ng-interface-dm-04

Have requested working group adoption of this = draft.

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn’t = mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means = that it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

While all = feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are much more = helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank = you".

Thank you.

Linda & = Yoav

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Yes, the "+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch represents a list of multiple "tenants". In the list, a policy-domain represents a single domain distinguished by policy-domain-id, which is an organization (e.g., enterprise). Note that each domain can have multiple tenants that are actual customers in the domain, such as departments (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal Department). According to Section 4 (Information Model for Multi-Tenancy) of draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-im-04, which is the information model of the I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface, a tenant is an entity within an organization (e.g., enterprise and university), such as a customer or department (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal Department). It could have its own security policies within the organization. For clarification in the data model tree, I think that policy-tenant should be a child node of policy-domain as below= . | +--rw policy-domain* [policy-domain-id] | | +--rw policy-domain-id* uint16 | | +--rw name string | | +--rw address? string | | +--rw contact string | | +--rw date yang:date-and-time | | +--rw policy-tenant* [policy-tenant-id] | | +--rw policy-tenant-id* uint16 | | +--rw name string | | +--rw date yang:date-and-time | | +--rw domain -> /ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface/ | | multi-tenancy/policy-domain/ | | policy-domain-id In the next revision, we will reflect this one. If you have further questions, please let me know. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Questions to the Authors: > > > > Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile= for =E2=80=9Cone > tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=9D with the a= ttributes listed for one > tenant? > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Linda > > > > > > *From:* I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Jaehoon > Paul Jeong > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:05 PM > *To:* John Strassner > *Cc:* Rakesh Kumar ; i2nsf@ietf.org; > SecCurator_Team ; Linda Dunbar < > linda.dunbar@huawei.com>; Xialiang (Frank) ; > Brian Kim ; Susan Hares > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= r > aft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > Hi John, > > Thanks for your constructive suggestions on our draft. :-) > > We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision. > > > > You can give us your advice on our next revision. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Paul > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner wrote= : > > IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the > draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. = To > be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen= t. > Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point= . > > > I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point= . > Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos= t > of problems, such as: > > - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN= G > for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface. > Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is > multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care > about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of > the YANG is incorrect. > > - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module > > - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN > be able to have multiple tenants? > > - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple > such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know > what an authentication method even is? > > - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child? > > - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a > reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant? > > - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they > here? > > > > I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b= e > wrong. > > > > Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT > accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. > > > > regards, > > John > > > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > > > > > The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin > g-interface-dm-04 > > > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > > -- > > regards, > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > > > -- > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Department of Software > Sungkyunkwan University > Office: +82-31-299-4957 > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu > Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --089e0825e9983913e70565000d55 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Linda,

Here is my clarification on your = question.

> Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-te= nancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile for =E2=80=9Cone=C2=A0

> tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multi= ple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=9D with the attributes listed for=C2=A0

> one tenant?

Yes, the "+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch repr= esents a list of multiple "tenants".

In the list, a pol= icy-domain represents a single domain distinguished by policy-domain-id,

which is an organization (e.g., enterprise).=C2=A0

Note t= hat each domain can have multiple tenants that are actual customers in the = domain,=C2=A0

such as departments (e.g., Human Resources, Finance= , and Legal Department).

According to Sectio= n 4 (Information Model for Multi-Tenancy) of draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facin= g-interface-im-04,=C2=A0

which is the information model of t= he I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface,

a tenant is an entity within = an organization (e.g., enterprise and university),=C2=A0

such as = a customer or department (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal Departm= ent).=C2=A0

It could have its own security policies within the or= ganization.

For clarification in the data model tr= ee,=C2=A0

I think that policy-tenant should be a child node of po= licy-domain as below.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0|=C2=A0 +--rw policy-domain* [policy-domain-id]

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw policy-domain-id*=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 uint16

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--r= w name=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0string

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw ad= dress?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<= /div>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw contact=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0yang:date-and-time

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw policy-tenant* [p= olicy-tenant-id]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0+--rw policy-tenant-id*=C2=A0 =C2=A0uint16

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw name=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yang:date-and-time

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+--rw domain=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -> /ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 multi-tenancy/policy-domai= n/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 policy-domain-id

In the next revision, we will reflect this one= .

If you have further questions, please let me kno= w.

Thanks.

Best Regar= ds,

Paul

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM, Linda Dunbar <<= a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">linda.dunbar@hu= awei.com> wrote:

Questions to the Authors:

=C2=A0

= Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile f= or =E2=80=9Cone tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80= =9D with the attributes listed for one tenant?

= =C2=A0

Thank you very much.

=C2=A0

Linda

=C2=A0

= =C2=A0

From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:05 PM
To: John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
Cc: Rakesh Kumar <rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com>; i2nsf@ietf.org; SecCurator_Team <skku_s= ecu-brain_all@googlegroups.com>; Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com= >; Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; Brian Kim <kimshallom12@gmail.com= >; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Hi John,=

Thanks for your con= structive suggestions on our draft. :-)

We authors will cla= rify your suggestions on the next revision.

=C2=A0

You can give us you= r advice on our next revision.

=C2=A0

Thanks.

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Paul<= /span>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner <<= a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote:

IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is = to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG= wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objec= ting on the technical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. = Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host = of problems, such as:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this draft tr= ying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the Consu= mer-Facing Interface.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e= lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or= ganization of the YANG is incorrect.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0ieft-i2nsf-cf-in= terface module

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is mult= i-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able to have= multiple tenants?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain have = an auth= entication-method? First, multiple such methods should be able= to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authentication method even is?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a sibling= of domain, and not a child?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a leaf wi= thin policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn't domain = have a reference to policy-tenant?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have nothi= ng to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above means = that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

=C2=A0

Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting= point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

=C2=A0

regards,

John

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@hua= wei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consum= er-facing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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regards,

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Actually, this section is intended to show the structure of a security policy (having security rules for a given security policy) and to explain the objectives of its components. In the next revision, we will replace "Objectives" with "The Structure and Objective of I2NSF Security Policy" for the title of Section 4. > - Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw generic-nsf=E2=80=9D branch more for the =E2=80= =9Cproperty=E2=80=9D of the policy (lack of better words)? > More for describing the policy=E2=80=99s priority in relate to others and= the resolution strategy if there is any conflict? =3D> A "generic-nsf" branch represents a list of security policies whose security rules are specified as "eca-policy-rules" branches. Among multiple security rules for a security policy, rule-priority is used to determines the priorities of the rules, and a resolution strategy of the security rules is used to resolve the conflicts of the rules in the same security policy. Since generic-nsf may be misleading, we will use "i2nsf-security-policy" branch directly without using the "generic-nsf" branch. That is, we will remove the "generic-nsf" branch and will put the i2nsf-security-policy on the place of the "generic-nsf" branch. If you have further questions, plesse let me know. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:44 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Authors of draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-data-model: > > > Clarification questions: > > - Is Section 4 more on the =E2=80=9CStructure of I2nsf Policy Rule= s=E2=80=9D? > instead of =E2=80=9CObjectives=E2=80=9D? > > - Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw generic-nsf=E2=80=9D branch more for the = =E2=80=9Cproperty=E2=80=9D of the > policy (lack of better words)? More for describing the policy=E2=80=99s p= riority in > relate to others and the resolution strategy if there is any conflict? > > > > > > Thanks, Linda > > > > *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:42 PM > *To:* John Strassner > *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org; Linda Dunbar ; Jingyong > (Tim) Kim ; Susan Hares ; > SecCurator_Team > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04 > > > > Hi John, > > Thanks for your good suggestions on our draft. :-) > > We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision except the > OO design for the YANG data model. > > The OO design takes time, so we will try to address it later. > > > > You can suggest the good OO design based on our next revision. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Paul > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:31 AM, John Strassner wrote= : > > IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the > draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. = To > be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen= t. > Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point= . > > > I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point= . > Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos= t > of problems, such as: > > > > - sec 4: it is unclear what is meant by "Objectives", see below > > - sec 4.1 does NOT define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or > what its objective is > > - secs 4.2 and 4.3 do provide definitions of events and conditions > (though their grammar needs improvement) > > - sec 4.4 provides a superficial definition of an action that needs > tightening up > > > > The above are troublesome, as all definitions are clearly defined in the > terminology draft. For a long time now... :-( And I really don't understa= nd > why this section is labeled "Objectives". Objectives of what? An event? o= f > the data model? something else? > > > > - sec 5.1: I don't understand the design of the YANG module at all > > - the ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface module appears to describe a > policy rule, but is given the name of an interface. In addition, why does= generic-nsf > contain a policy (i2nsf-security-policy)? Put another way, the name of > the module is the name of an interface, but doesn't describe an interface= , > and more importantly, > NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sent policy rules by > the policy engine > > - Worse, why are the event, condition, and action containers NOT > inside the policy rule? > > - Same problem for figures 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is > the resolution strategy NOT a part of the policy???) > > - the design of the condition clause is not scalable. In an OO design, > one does NOT simply list a hundred attributes in a class. We decided that > the YANG module would be designed in an OO style. > > - same problem for the action clause > > > > Given the above, the rest of the YANG will be wrong. > > > > Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT > accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. > > > > regards, > > John > > > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > > > The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Dat= a > Model > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing- > interface-data-model-04 > > > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > > -- > > regards, > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > > > -- > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Department of Software > Sungkyunkwan University > Office: +82-31-299-4957 > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu > Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --94eb2c1b760cae2d75056505a744 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Linda,

Here are my answers as below:

> - Is Section 4 more on the =E2=80=9CStructure of= I2nsf Policy Rules=E2=80=9D? instead of =E2=80=9CObjectives=E2=80=9D?

=3D>=C2=A0 Yes, you are right.

Actually, = this section is intended to show the structure of a security policy=C2=A0

(having security rules for a given security policy)=C2=A0 and to e= xplain the objectives of its components.=C2=A0=C2=A0

In the next = revision, we will replace "Objectives" with "The Structure a= nd Objective=C2=A0

of I2NSF Security Policy" for the title o= f Section 4.

> - Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw generic-= nsf=E2=80=9D branch more for the =E2=80=9Cproperty=E2=80=9D of the policy (= lack of better words)?=C2=A0

> More for describing the policy= =E2=80=99s priority in relate to others and the resolution strategy if ther= e is any conflict?

=3D> A "generic-nsf&quo= t; branch represents a list of security policies=C2=A0

whose secu= rity rules are specified as "eca-policy-rules" branches.

Among multiple security rules for a security policy, rule-priority is use= d=C2=A0

to determines the priorities of the rules, and a resoluti= on strategy of=C2=A0

the security rules is used to resolve the co= nflicts of the rules in the same security policy.

= Since generic-nsf may be misleading, we will use

"i2nsf-secu= rity-policy" branch directly without using the "generic-nsf"= branch.=C2=A0

That is, we will remove the "generic-nsf"= ; branch and will put=C2=A0

the i2nsf-security-policy on the plac= e of the "generic-nsf" branch.=C2=A0

If = you have further questions, plesse let me know.

On Fri= , Feb 9, 2018 at 5:44 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com&= gt; wrote:

Authors of draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing= -interface-data-data-model:

Clarification questions:

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is Section 4 more on the =E2=80= =9CStructure of I2nsf Policy Rules=E2=80=9D? instead of =E2=80=9CObjectives= =E2=80=9D?

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw generic-ns= f=E2=80=9D branch more for the =E2=80=9Cproperty=E2=80=9D of the policy (la= ck of better words)? More for describing the policy=E2=80=99s priority in r= elate to others and the resolution strategy if there is any conflict? =

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks, Linda
=C2=A0

From: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto= :jaehoon.paul@g= mail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:42 PM
To: John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg; Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>; Jingyong (Tim) Kim <wlsdyd0930@nate.com&g= t;; Susan Hares <sh= ares@ndzh.com>; SecCurator_Team <skku_secu-brain_all@googlegr= oups.com>
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-in= terface-data-model-04

=C2=A0

Hi John,

Thanks for your good suggestions on our draft. :-)

We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next= revision except the OO design for the YANG data model.

The OO design takes time, so we will try to address = it later.

=C2=A0

You can suggest the good OO design based on our next= revision.

=C2=A0

Thanks.

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Paul

=C2=A0

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:31 AM, John Strassner <<= a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote:

IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra= ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work t= hat WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objec= ting on the technical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. = Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host = of problems, such as:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: it is unclear what= is meant by "Objectives", see below

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - sec 4.1 does NOT = define what an I2NSF SecurityPolicyRule is, or what its objective is=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - secs 4.2 and 4.3 = do provide definitions of events and conditions (though their grammar needs= improvement)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - sec 4.4 provides = a superficial definition of an action that needs tightening up

=C2=A0

The above are troublesome, as all defini= tions are clearly defined in the terminology draft. For a long time now... = :-( And I really don't understand why this section is labeled "Objectives". Objectives of what? An event? of the da= ta model? something else?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 5.1:=C2=A0 I don'= t understand the design of the YANG module at all

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - the=C2=A0ietf-i2nsf-= nsf-facing-interface module appears to describe a policy rule, but is given t= he name of an interface. In addition, why does ge= neric-nsf contain a policy (i2nsf-security-policy)? Put another way, the name of the module is the name of an interface, but d= oesn't describe an interface, and more importantly,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NSFs do NOT contain policy rules - they are sen= t policy rules by the policy engine

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 - Worse, why are the= event, condition, and action containers NOT inside the policy rule?=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Same problem for figures = 5.2-5.4, plus other problems (e.g., why is the resolution strategy NOT a pa= rt of the policy???)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - the design of the conditi= on clause is not scalable. In an OO design, one does NOT simply list a hund= red attributes in a class. We decided that the YANG module would be designed in an OO style.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - same problem for the acti= on clause

=C2=A0

Given the above, the rest of the YANG wi= ll be wrong.

=C2=A0

Therefore, the document is NOT a good st= arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

=C2=A0

regards,

John

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@hua= wei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Faci= ng Interface YANG Data Model

https://tools.ietf= .org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04<= u>

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

_____________________= __________________________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
h= ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

-- =

regards,=

John

_______________________________________________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
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=C2=A0

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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.= paul@gmail.com,=C2=A0pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeon= g, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan U= niversity
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com,=C2=A0pauljeong@skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.s= kku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php

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(Frank)" , Brian Kim , Susan Hares , SecCurator_Team Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05d7c4e461ad05650ba769" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:47:03 -0000 --94eb2c05d7c4e461ad05650ba769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Linda, Yes, you are right. We will clarify this in the revision. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul 2018. 2. 13. =EC=98=A4=EC=A0=84 1:59=EC=97=90 "Linda Dunbar" =EB=8B=98=EC=9D=B4 =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: Paul, Thank you very much for the explanation. So the =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in your document is about a =E2=80= =9CFamily (or group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D, correct? Linda *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:56 AM *To:* Linda Dunbar *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org; John Strassner ; Rakesh Kumar < rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com>; Xialiang (Frank) ; Brian Kim ; Susan Hares ; SecCurator_Team ; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/ draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 Hi Linda, Here is my clarification on your question. > Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile= for =E2=80=9Cone > tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=9D with the a= ttributes listed for > one tenant? Yes, the "+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch represents a list of multiple "tenants". In the list, a policy-domain represents a single domain distinguished by policy-domain-id, which is an organization (e.g., enterprise). Note that each domain can have multiple tenants that are actual customers in the domain, such as departments (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal Department). According to Section 4 (Information Model for Multi-Tenancy) of draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-im-04, which is the information model of the I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface, a tenant is an entity within an organization (e.g., enterprise and university), such as a customer or department (e.g., Human Resources, Finance, and Legal Department). It could have its own security policies within the organization. For clarification in the data model tree, I think that policy-tenant should be a child node of policy-domain as below= . | +--rw policy-domain* [policy-domain-id] | | +--rw policy-domain-id* uint16 | | +--rw name string | | +--rw address? string | | +--rw contact string | | +--rw date yang:date-and-time | | +--rw policy-tenant* [policy-tenant-id] | | +--rw policy-tenant-id* uint16 | | +--rw name string | | +--rw date yang:date-and-time | | +--rw domain -> /ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing- interface/ | | multi-tenancy/policy-domain/ | | policy-domain-id In the next revision, we will reflect this one. If you have further questions, please let me know. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: Questions to the Authors: Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile f= or =E2=80=9Cone tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80=9D with the attributes listed fo= r one tenant? Thank you very much. Linda *From:* I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:05 PM *To:* John Strassner *Cc:* Rakesh Kumar ; i2nsf@ietf.org; SecCurator_Team ; Linda Dunbar < linda.dunbar@huawei.com>; Xialiang (Frank) ; Brian Kim ; Susan Hares *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/ draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 Hi John, Thanks for your constructive suggestions on our draft. :-) We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision. You can give us your advice on our next revision. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner wrote: IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point. I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host of problems, such as: - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface. Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of the YANG is incorrect. - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able to have multiple tenants? - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authentication method even is? - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child? - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant? - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here? I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong. Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. regards, John On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote: The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer- facing-interface-dm-04 Have requested working group adoption of this draft. Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft cu= rrent content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a working group to work on. While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". Thank you. Linda & Yoav _______________________________________________ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf --=20 regards, John _______________________________________________ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --94eb2c05d7c4e461ad05650ba769 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Linda,

Yes, you are right.

We will clarify this in the revision.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Paul

2018. 2. 13. =EC= =98=A4=EC=A0=84 1:59=EC=97=90 "Linda Dunbar" <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>=EB=8B=98=EC=9D= =B4 =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1:

Paul,

=C2=A0

Thank you very much for the explanati= on.

=C2=A0

So the =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80= =9D in your document is about a =E2=80=9CFamily (or group) of Tenants=E2=80= =9D, correct?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;c= olor:#1f497d">Linda

=C2=A0

From: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto= :jaehoon.paul@g= mail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:56 AM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg; John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>; Rakesh Kumar <rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com>= ;; Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; Brian Kim <kimshallom12@gmail.com>= ;; Susan Hares <sha= res@ndzh.com>; SecCurator_Team <skku_secu-brain_all@googlegro= ups.com>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-fac= ing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Hi Linda,

Here is my clarification on your question.=

=C2=A0

> Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch= the attribute profile for =E2=80=9Cone=C2=A0

> tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenan= ts=E2=80=9D with the attributes listed for=C2=A0

> one tenant?

=C2=A0

Yes, the "+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch r= epresents a list of multiple "tenants".

In the list, a policy-domain represents a single dom= ain distinguished by policy-domain-id,

which is an organization (e.g., enterprise).=C2=A0

Note that each domain can have multiple tenants that= are actual customers in the domain,=C2=A0

such as departments (e.g., Human Resources, Finance,= and Legal Department).

=C2=A0

According to Section 4 (Information Model for Multi-= Tenancy) of draft-kumar-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-im-04,=C2=A0<= /u>

which is the information model of the I2NSF Consumer= -Facing Interface,

a tenant is an entity within an organization (e.g., = enterprise and university),=C2=A0

such as a customer or department (e.g., Human Resour= ces, Finance, and Legal Department).=C2=A0

It could have its own security policies within the o= rganization.

=C2=A0

For clarification in the data model tree,=C2=A0

I think that policy-tenant should be a child node of= policy-domain as below.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 +--rw policy-doma= in* [policy-domain-id]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw pol= icy-domain-id*=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 uint16

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw nam= e=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0string

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw add= ress?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw con= tact=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw dat= e=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0yang:date-and-time

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw pol= icy-tenant* [policy-tenant-id]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0+--rw policy-tenant-id*=C2=A0 =C2=A0uint16

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0+--rw name=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 str= ing

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0+--rw date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yan= g:date-and-time

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0+--rw domain=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -> /i= etf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 multi-te= nancy/policy-domain/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 policy-d= omain-id

=C2=A0

In the next revision, we will reflect this one.

=C2=A0

If you have further questions, please let me know.

=C2=A0

Thanks.

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Paul

=C2=A0

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huaw= ei.com> wrote:

Questions to the Authors:

=C2=A0

= Is the =E2=80=9C+--rw multi-tenancy=E2=80=9D branch the attribute profile f= or =E2=80=9Cone tenant=E2=80=9D? or list of multiple =E2=80=9Ctenants=E2=80= =9D with the attributes listed for one tenant?

= =C2=A0

Thank you very much.

=C2=A0

Linda

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:05 PM
To: John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com>
Cc: Rakesh Kumar <rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com>; i2nsf@ietf.org; Sec= Curator_Team <skku_secu-brain_all@googlegroups.com>; Linda Du= nbar <linda= .dunbar@huawei.com>; Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; Brian Kim <kimshallom12@gmail.com>= ;; Susan Hares <sha= res@ndzh.com>
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-int= erface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Hi John,<= u>

Thanks for your constructive suggestions on our draft. :-)

We authors will clarify your suggestions on the next revision.<= /span>

=C2=A0

You can give us your advice on our next revision.=

=C2=A0

Thanks.

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Paul

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Strassner <<= a href=3D"mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote:

IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra= ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT obje= cting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the te= chnical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. = Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host = of problems, such as:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr= aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e= lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or= ganization of the YANG is incorrect.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0ieft-i2n= sf-cf-interface module

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is mu= lti-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able t= o have multiple tenants?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain= have an au= thentication-method? First, multiple such methods should= be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authentication method even is?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s= ibling of domain, and not a child?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l= eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn't d= omain have a reference to policy-tenant?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have= nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above = means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

=C2=A0

Therefore, the document is NOT a good st= arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

=C2=A0

regards,

John

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@hua= wei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.= paul@gmail.com,=C2=A0pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php

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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
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(was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 23:22:31 -0000 --94eb2c1c0c409d5f2305650c2642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but likely it is NOT a correct use of the term. The relationship is backwards - a tenant does NOT control policies. Rather, an admin domain (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist in an admin domain. This is what I meant in my brief comment. regards, John On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > John, > > > > Thank you very much for the interpretation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2= =80=9D. > > > > Based on the reply from Paul, the term =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in= their draft is > about a =E2=80=9CFamily (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D. > > Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring= to the domain > applying to a family or a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments > (tenants) belonging under one organization? > > > > If not, can you suggest a better term? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda > > > > *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM > *To:* Linda Dunbar > *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer > to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > A "Policy Domain" is an administrative domain in which a set of Policies > are used to ensure that managed entities in that domain behave in a desir= ed > manner. Policies can be used for configuration, monitoring, access contro= l, > and other behavior. > > > > Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature. > > > > > > regards, > > John > > > > On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > John, > > > > Since you are the policy expert, what does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80= =9D commonly refer > to? > > Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D be one policy applying to a set of te= nants? Or one > policy applying to a set of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a > set of policies? > > > > Thank you. > > Linda > > > > *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM > *To:* Linda Dunbar > *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the > draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. = To > be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen= t. > Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point= . > > > I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point= . > Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos= t > of problems, such as: > > - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN= G > for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface. > Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is > multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care > about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of > the YANG is incorrect. > > - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module > > - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN > be able to have multiple tenants? > > - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple > such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know > what an authentication method even is? > > - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child? > > - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a > reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant? > > - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they > here? > > > > I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b= e > wrong. > > > > Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT > accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. > > > > regards, > > John > > > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > > > > > The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer- > facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > > -- > > regards, > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > > -- > > regards, > > John > --=20 regards, John --94eb2c1c0c409d5f2305650c2642 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but li= kely it is NOT a correct use of the term.

The relationship is bac= kwards - a tenant does NOT control policies. Rather, an

admin dom= ain (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist in an

admin domain.

This is what I meant in my brie= f comment.

regards,

John

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 = at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wro= te:

John,

=C2=A0

Thank you very much for the interpret= ation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

Based on the reply from Paul, the ter= m =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in their draft is about a =E2=80=9CFamily= (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D.

Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy= domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring to the domain applying to a family or = a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments (tenants) belonging under one organization?

=C2=A0

If not, can you suggest a better term= ?

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;c= olor:#1f497d">=C2=A0

From: John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" co= mmonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin= g-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

A "Policy Domain" is an administrative dom= ain in which a set of Policies are used to ensure that managed entities in = that domain behave in a desired manner. Policies can be used for configurat= ion, monitoring, access control, and other behavior.

=C2=A0

Note that this is a standard term in the academic li= terature.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

regards,

John

=C2=A0

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huaw= ei.com> wrote:

John,

=C2=A0

Since you are the policy expert, what= does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D commonly refer to?

Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D b= e one policy applying to a set of tenants? Or one policy applying to a set = of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a set of policies?

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Linda

=C2=A0

From: John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-int= erface-dm-04

=C2=A0

IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra= ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT obje= cting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the te= chnical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. = Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host = of problems, such as:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr= aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e= lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or= ganization of the YANG is incorrect.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0ieft-i2n= sf-cf-interface module

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is mu= lti-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able t= o have multiple tenants?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain= have an au= thentication-method? First, multiple such methods should= be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authentication method even is?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s= ibling of domain, and not a child?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l= eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn't d= omain have a reference to policy-tenant?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have= nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above = means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

=C2=A0

Therefore, the document is NOT a good st= arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

=C2=A0

regards,

John

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@hua= wei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
h= ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

--

regards,

John

_______________________________________________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
h= ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

--

regards,

John

regards,

John

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(was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 02:44:33 -0000 --001a1140f1ee475b2305650ef935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Thanks for your clear explanation. We authors will reflect your comments in our revision. Best Regards, Paul On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:22 AM, John Strassner wrote: > It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but likely it is NOT a > correct use of the term. > The relationship is backwards - a tenant does NOT control policies. > Rather, an > admin domain (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist > in an > admin domain. > > This is what I meant in my brief comment. > > regards, > John > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > >> John, >> >> >> >> Thank you very much for the interpretation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2= =80=9D. >> >> >> >> Based on the reply from Paul, the term =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D i= n their draft is >> about a =E2=80=9CFamily (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D. >> >> Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D as a term referrin= g to the domain >> applying to a family or a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments >> (tenants) belonging under one organization? >> >> >> >> If not, can you suggest a better term? >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> Linda >> >> >> >> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM >> *To:* Linda Dunbar >> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer >> to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr >> aft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 >> >> >> >> A "Policy Domain" is an administrative domain in which a set of Policies >> are used to ensure that managed entities in that domain behave in a desi= red >> manner. Policies can be used for configuration, monitoring, access contr= ol, >> and other behavior. >> >> >> >> Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature. >> >> >> >> >> >> regards, >> >> John >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar >> wrote: >> >> John, >> >> >> >> Since you are the policy expert, what does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80= =9D commonly refer >> to? >> >> Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D be one policy applying to a set of t= enants? Or one >> policy applying to a set of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a >> set of policies? >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Linda >> >> >> >> *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM >> *To:* Linda Dunbar >> *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin >> g-interface-dm-04 >> >> >> >> IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the >> draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish.= To >> be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the docume= nt. >> Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting poin= t. >> >> >> I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting >> point. Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there a= re >> a host of problems, such as: >> >> - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see >> YANG for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface. >> Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is >> multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care >> about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization o= f >> the YANG is incorrect. >> >> - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module >> >> - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN >> be able to have multiple tenants? >> >> - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple >> such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know >> what an authentication method even is? >> >> - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child? >> >> - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a >> reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant? >> >> - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are the= y >> here? >> >> >> >> I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will >> be wrong. >> >> >> >> Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT >> accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. >> >> >> >> regards, >> >> John >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin >> g-interface-dm-04 >> >> >> >> Have requested working group adoption of this draft. >> >> >> >> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft= current >> content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a >> working group to work on. >> >> >> >> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are >> much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> Linda & Yoav >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I2nsf mailing list >> I2nsf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> regards, >> >> John >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I2nsf mailing list >> I2nsf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> regards, >> >> John >> > > > > -- > regards, > John > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --001a1140f1ee475b2305650ef935 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

John,

Thanks for your clear explanation.

We = authors will reflect your comments in our revision.

Best Regards,

Paul

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:22 AM, John Strassner <strazpdj@gmail.com> wrote:

It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but l= ikely it is NOT a correct use of the term.
The relationship is ba= ckwards - a tenant does NOT control policies. Rather, an
admin do= main (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist in an
admin domain.

This is what I meant in my bri= ef comment.

regards,
John

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawe= i.com> wrote:

John,

=C2=A0

Thank you very much for the interpret= ation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

Based on the reply from Paul, the ter= m =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in their draft is about a =E2=80=9CFamily= (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D.

Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy= domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring to the domain applying to a family or = a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments (tenants) belonging under one organization?

=C2=A0

If not, can you suggest a better term= ?

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda

=C2=A0

From: John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" co= mmonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin= g-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

A "Policy Domain" is an administrative dom= ain in which a set of Policies are used to ensure that managed entities in = that domain behave in a desired manner. Policies can be used for configurat= ion, monitoring, access control, and other behavior.

=C2=A0

Note that this is a standard term in the academic li= terature.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

regards,

John

=C2=A0

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huaw= ei.com> wrote:

John,

=C2=A0

Since you are the policy expert, what= does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D commonly refer to?

Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D b= e one policy applying to a set of tenants? Or one policy applying to a set = of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a set of policies?

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Linda

=C2=A0

From: John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-int= erface-dm-04

=C2=A0

IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra= ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT obje= cting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the te= chnical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. = Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host = of problems, such as:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr= aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e= lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or= ganization of the YANG is incorrect.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0ieft-i2n= sf-cf-interface module

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is mu= lti-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able t= o have multiple tenants?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain= have an au= thentication-method? First, multiple such methods should= be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authentication method even is?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s= ibling of domain, and not a child?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l= eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn't d= omain have a reference to policy-tenant?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have= nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above = means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

=C2=A0

Therefore, the document is NOT a good st= arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

=C2=A0

regards,

John

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@hua= wei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-fac= ing-interface-dm-04

=C2=A0

Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

=C2=A0

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

=C2=A0

Thank you.

=C2=A0

Linda & Yoav

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
h= ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

--

regards,

John

_______________________________________________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
h= ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

--

regards,

John

--
regards,
Joh= n

_______________________________________________
I2nsf mailing list
I2nsf@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf

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Best regards, Hyoung On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 8:21 AM, Linda Dunbar wro= te: > > > The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Dat= a > Model > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-mod= el-04 > > > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > --=20 _______________________________ Hyoungshick (Hyoung) Kim, Department of Software College of Software Office 27324, 2066 Seobu-Ro, Jangan-gu, Suwon, Gyeonggi-do 440-746, Korea +82-31-299-4324 (mobile: +82-10-5557-3081) hyoung@skku.edu http://seclab.skku.edu/people/hyoungshick-kim/ From nobody Tue Feb 13 15:32:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CDE126DC2 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:32:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.229 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.229 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BYjQvYFHeI9U for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A88E126D74 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 667FA70F551AA for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:32:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.38) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:32:06 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.91]) by SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.179]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:32:00 -0800 From: Linda Dunbar To: John Strassner CC: "i2nsf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer to? 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-0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.78.150 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:03:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B00A4FA@SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B00899A@SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B009ACB@SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B00A4FA@SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com> From: John Strassner Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:03:26 -0800 Message-ID: To: Linda Dunbar Cc: "i2nsf@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1141d05e2ddad1056520d7c1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:03:32 -0000 --001a1141d05e2ddad1056520d7c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I am objecting to a tenant owning a policy. That is backwards. Policies are owned by Administrative Domains. Yes, an organization could be an Administrative Domain. More likely, an Organization has multiple groups (OUs in the X.500/LDAP world, departments in English) that are each Administrative Domains. In this situation, policies are hierarchical (higher controls lower, lower cannot conflict with higher). So each Administrative Domain applies its set of policies (if any) to a tent (typically a person or OU). regards, John On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > John, > > > > Do you mean the term =E2=80=9CAdmin-Domain=E2=80=9D can be used to repres= ent a group of > Tenants? For example: =E2=80=9CAdmin Domain=E2=80=9D can be a company, an= d each Tenant can > be a department within the company? One =E2=80=9CAdmin Domain=E2=80=9D h= as many =E2=80=9CTenants=E2=80=9D? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 5:22 PM > *To:* Linda Dunbar > *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer > to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but likely it is NOT a > correct use of the term. > > The relationship is backwards - a tenant does NOT control policies. > Rather, an > > admin domain (i.e., a policy domain) control policies, and tenants exist > in an > > admin domain. > > > > This is what I meant in my brief comment. > > > > regards, > > John > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > John, > > > > Thank you very much for the interpretation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2= =80=9D. > > > > Based on the reply from Paul, the term =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in= their draft is > about a =E2=80=9CFamily (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D. > > Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring= to the domain > applying to a family or a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments > (tenants) belonging under one organization? > > > > If not, can you suggest a better term? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda > > > > *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM > *To:* Linda Dunbar > *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" commonly refer > to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > A "Policy Domain" is an administrative domain in which a set of Policies > are used to ensure that managed entities in that domain behave in a desir= ed > manner. Policies can be used for configuration, monitoring, access contro= l, > and other behavior. > > > > Note that this is a standard term in the academic literature. > > > > > > regards, > > John > > > > On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > John, > > > > Since you are the policy expert, what does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80= =9D commonly refer > to? > > Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D be one policy applying to a set of te= nants? Or one > policy applying to a set of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a > set of policies? > > > > Thank you. > > Linda > > > > *From:* John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM > *To:* Linda Dunbar > *Cc:* i2nsf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a draft is to acknowledge that the > draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. = To > be perfectly clear, I am NOT objecting on the completeness of the documen= t. > Rather, I am objecting on the technical correctness of the starting point= . > > > I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point= . > Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a hos= t > of problems, such as: > > - what, exactly, is this draft trying to do? I thought I would see YAN= G > for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface. > Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first element is > multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care > about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The organization of > the YANG is incorrect. > > - sec 4: in the ieft-i2nsf-cf-interface module > > - why is multi-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN > be able to have multiple tenants? > > - why does a domain have an authentication-method? First, multiple > such methods should be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know > what an authentication method even is? > > - why is tenant a sibling of domain, and not a child? > > - why is domain a leaf within policy-tenant? This should be a > reference, and why doesn't domain have a reference to policy-tenant? > > - policy roles have nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they > here? > > > > I could go on, but even the above means that the rest of the YANG will b= e > wrong. > > > > Therefore, the document is NOT a good starting point, and will NOT > accelerate the path to getting a good RFC. > > > > regards, > > John > > > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > > > > > The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer- > facing-interface-dm-04 > > > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > > > Thank you. > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > > -- > > regards, > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > > -- > > regards, > > John > > > > > -- > > regards, > > John > --=20 regards, John --001a1141d05e2ddad1056520d7c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes,

I am objecting to a ten= ant owning a policy. That is backwards. Policies are owned by Administrativ= e Domains.

Yes, an organization could be an Admini= strative Domain. More likely, an Organization has multiple groups (OUs in t= he X.500/LDAP world, departments in English) that are each=C2=A0Administrativ= e Domains. In this situation, policies are hierarchical (higher controls lo= wer, lower cannot conflict with higher). So each=C2=A0Administrative Domain a= pplies its set of policies (if any) to a tent (typically a person or OU).

regards,

= Jo= hn

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Linda Dunbar = <linda.dunb= ar@huawei.com> wrote:

John,

=C2=A0

Do you mean the term =E2=80=9CAdmin-D= omain=E2=80=9D can be used to represent a group of Tenants? For example: = =E2=80=9CAdmin Domain=E2=80=9D can be a company, and each Tenant can be a d= epartment within the company?=C2=A0 One =E2=80=9CAdmin Domain=E2=80=9D has many =E2= =80=9CTenants=E2=80=9D?

=C2=A0

Thank you.

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Linda

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From: John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:22 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" co= mmonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facin= g-interface-dm-04

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It is hard to tell due to lack of specificity, but l= ikely it is NOT a correct use of the term.

The relationship is backwards - a tenant does NOT co= ntrol policies. Rather, an

admin domain (i.e., a policy domain) control policie= s, and tenants exist in an

admin domain.

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This is what I meant in my brief comment.<= /u>

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regards,

John

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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@hua= wei.com> wrote:

John,

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Thank you very much for the interpret= ation of =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D.

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Based on the reply from Paul, the ter= m =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D in their draft is about a =E2=80=9CFamily= (or a group) of Tenants=E2=80=9D.

Is it a proper to use =E2=80=9CPolicy= domain=E2=80=9D as a term referring to the domain applying to a family or = a group of tenants? Say a group of Departments (tenants) belonging under one organ= ization?

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If not, can you suggest a better term= ?

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Thank you.

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Linda

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From: John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:08 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] what does the term "Policy Domain" co= mmonly refer to? (was RE: WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-int= erface-dm-04

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A "Policy Domain" is an administrative dom= ain in which a set of Policies are used to ensure that managed entities in = that domain behave in a desired manner. Policies can be used for configuration, monitoring, access control, and other behavior.<= u>

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Note that this is a standard term in the academic li= terature.

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regards,

John

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On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huaw= ei.com> wrote:

John,

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Since you are the policy expert, what= does =E2=80=9CPolicy Domain=E2=80=9D commonly refer to?

Can =E2=80=9CPolicy domain=E2=80=9D b= e one policy applying to a set of tenants? Or one policy applying to a set = of geographic regions? Or Policy domain being a set of policies?

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Thank you.

Linda

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From: John Strassner [mailto:strazpdj@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-int= erface-dm-04

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IMHO, the purpose of a WG adopting a dra= ft is to acknowledge that the draft is a good starting point for the work that WG wants to accomplish. To be perfectly clear, I am NOT obje= cting on the completeness of the document. Rather, I am objecting on the te= chnical correctness of the starting point.

I do NOT feel that the proposed documents represent a good starting point. = Ignoring things that can be easily fixed (e.g., grammar), there are a host = of problems, such as:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - what, exactly, is this dr= aft trying to do? I thought I would see YANG for policy rules sent over the Consumer-Facing Interface.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Instead, I see the name of the interface, whose first e= lement is multi-tenancy, that also contains policies? Policies do not care<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 about multi-tenancy. They do care about domains. The or= ganization of the YANG is incorrect.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - sec 4: in the=C2=A0ieft-i2n= sf-cf-interface module

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is mu= lti-tenancy at the top of the tree? Shouldn't a DOMAIN be able t= o have multiple tenants?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why does a domain= have an au= thentication-method? First, multiple such methods should= be able to be used. Second, how would a domain know what an authentication method even is?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is tenant a s= ibling of domain, and not a child?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - why is domain a l= eaf within policy-tenant? This should be a reference, and why doesn't d= omain have a reference to policy-tenant?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - policy roles have= nothing to do with multi-tenancy - why are they here?=

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=C2=A0I could go on, but even the above = means that the rest of the YANG will be wrong.

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Therefore, the document is NOT a good st= arting point, and will NOT accelerate the path to getting a good RFC.

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regards,

John

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On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@hua= wei.com> wrote:

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The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04

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Have requested working group adoption of this draft.= =C2=A0

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Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.

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While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con w= ith explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or = "no thank you".

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Thank you.

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Linda & Yoav

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We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a = starting point for the group to work on. Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group document with = the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-00. Yoav (on behalf of the WG chairs) > On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:23, Linda Dunbar wrote: >=20 > =20 > =20 > The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm= -04 = > =20 > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. =20 > =20 > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the = draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good = basis for a working group to work on. > =20 > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations = are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > =20 > Thank you.=20 > =20 > Linda & Yoav > =20 > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf = --Apple-Mail=_73EA9B77-71D0-4442-BB1F-A5ED19496A55 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thanks to all who participated.

We believe that there is rough = consensus to adopt this document as a starting point for the group to = work on.

Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group = document with the name = draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-00.

Yoav

(on behalf = of the WG chairs)

On 27 = Jan 2018, at 1:23, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:

The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data = Model
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-i= nterface-dm-04

Have requested working group adoption of this = draft.

Please = bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis = for a working group to work on.

While all feedback is helpful, comments = pro or con with explanations are much more helpful than just "yes = please" or "no thank you".

Thank you.

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We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a = starting point for the group to work on. Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group document with = the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm-00. Yoav (on behalf of the WG chairs) > On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, Linda Dunbar wrote: >=20 > =20 > The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-mode= l-04 = > =20 > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. =20 > =20 > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the = draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good = basis for a working group to work on. > =20 > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations = are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > =20 > Thank you.=20 > =20 > Linda & Yoav > =20 > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf = --Apple-Mail=_286F26DC-9659-4590-A99C-7869429849F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thanks to all who participated.

We believe that there is rough = consensus to adopt this document as a starting point for the group to = work on.

Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group = document with the name = draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm-00.

Yoav

(on behalf of = the WG chairs)

On 27 = Jan 2018, at 1:21, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:

The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing = Interface YANG Data Model
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interfac= e-data-model-04

Have requested working group adoption = of this draft.

Please = bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis = for a working group to work on.

While all feedback is helpful, comments = pro or con with explanations are much more helpful than just "yes = please" or "no thank you".

Thank you.

Linda = & Yoav

_______________________________________________
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= --Apple-Mail=_286F26DC-9659-4590-A99C-7869429849F0-- From nobody Sun Feb 18 21:37:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE151270FC for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:37:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.712 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.712 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DbstZDAAJOGk for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from tama500.ecl.ntt.co.jp (tama500.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.148]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36EF1201FA for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.86.153]) by tama500.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w1J5bLcR013860; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:37:21 +0900 Received: from vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70945EA7CFC; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:37:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from jcms-pop21.ecl.ntt.co.jp (jcms-pop21.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.87.134]) by vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A97EA7D4D; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:37:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [129.60.13.46]) by jcms-pop21.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 572DE40036A; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:37:21 +0900 (JST) From: Yuhei Hayashi Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:36:54 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CC-Mail-RelayStamp: 1 To: linda.dunbar@huawei.com, i2nsf@ietf.org Cc: "neshi-nwsec@lab.ntt.co.jp" X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Subject: [I2nsf] some comments to draft-ietf-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:37:31 -0000 Linda, I read the draft. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-client-facing-interface-req/ We will provide some comments from the point of view of our network security automation use case. # Our team especially studies about security operation automation between controller and NSF, not between user and controller. So we want to provide only general comments. - About Basic rules for Client-Facing Interface definition Vendor-independence is very important thing for carrier NW's operation. We think independence of NSF's version is important too. We think it's problem that client-facing interface depends on NSF's version. If client-facing interface depends on NSF's version, it means I2NSF RESTful API depends on NSF's version. So it means automation program which uses the API has to be changed at every version up. - About attack traffic transport We consider that network security operators want to analyze attack traffic by using appropriate NSFs, so network should transport attack traffic to the NSFs easily. We think it's important thing that client-facing interface enables network security operator to do so easily. Yuhei ----------------------------------------- Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation Network Service Systems Laboratories Transport Service Systems Development Project Transport Service Platform Innovation Project Yuhei Hayashi 0422-59-3485 hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp From nobody Mon Feb 19 17:42:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2nsf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E393012D574 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:42:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_HK_NAME_FM_MR_MRS=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id erPZnw2QHRX9 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com (mail-io0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC13912D0C3 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io0-x229.google.com with SMTP id b34so10373611ioj.6 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:42:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ThVvYXlaHObMB5BeyZpjXydKT2UB0JgmN/TQQke3Qkc=; b=B4xnlWy14eSS2qBb458R2eE0+URDAtJVUiE2ShttHgklCCsQDA4oVFNnFgrbCO/85T 7pRUmAsUtzohWsHvJ8mnAppwtPdOxKAPnYLpryhSiu2MvsuCrDVCf3M4wVM8t1Bq7c1y Y+0I9k/6XwJNGtDRpCfNRFqpV6y9+i13eyISrkIdEcYkiHzdgl8ztXQveVASpVXwukpi Xior5urrnlKwRLP1+ZFR+k5Ol/vsTwoqLa+U6hcDSEGVHyARoMLpvLTkmvBgnVC8I6nI nzKu9gUeVo4K2YdQCBStXTPkrsAPSZekUXXFvWArTkVfkpJv9wA057s21BkrxqG6QbF/ uMag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ThVvYXlaHObMB5BeyZpjXydKT2UB0JgmN/TQQke3Qkc=; b=GhgcUiSka9G5WPoo+sRlUyPrkFsvzbxbYhA1SC/ntXM3JURRKsgyGK1INF92jF6Ohl 9iXYBNLNSwH2/UK9piERoBPEjagnqx1p1Fw4IybMK9dZS9Lrn7zzamLcfMMKYhaYEenj q2WO+rAmAI79iA5ZmZb50muC4pdx8P+jNPls6NRphLJi68YcueHRyPO7LY4l2Nwk8p8c yowp2/6lBjEcc5Po7LKQjzVYQ76efJkGlpFIKuR0fcL3X7NrnFyErt8UVBfHAT0Pzqfg 0NvWBNSbFF8mFjsK01tsewQwFbigaKIsiBOKinb2YaIhNfn/yyWm2g3YlxOpJe+cati3 Em4w== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCcX+/d3pz09ooibxWGk8gPO95+CWStCLqbSWcJfYpOnsLpqynu tMX1tmodJ57KrjE+Bh3kN2c1I/SczNRkE5nwHGo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224tBxZZDkmny2PeODHa1k7wMfpMqEh5hhOdam8luSek++Ih++uwVjrcUjFgyyIQMrEYPEVRZayG3WUe3v3KF24= X-Received: by 10.107.79.11 with SMTP id d11mr11395890iob.253.1519090942169; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:42:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.204.133 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:41:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3C34202F-8B45-4433-9DE1-14D4E6B4D2AD@gmail.com> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B002215@SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com> <3C34202F-8B45-4433-9DE1-14D4E6B4D2AD@gmail.com> From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:41:51 +0900 Message-ID: To: Yoav Nir Cc: "i2nsf@ietf.org" , SecCurator_Team , "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f4f5e80669bcfd5ec005659aeb34" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [I2nsf] WG Adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-04 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 01:42:25 -0000 --f4f5e80669bcfd5ec005659aeb34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yoav, We authors will address the comments on the new WG document on Consumer-Facing Interface Data Model and submit it before the I-D due. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > Thanks to all who participated. > > We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a > starting point for the group to work on. > > Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group document with > the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-00. > > Yoav > (on behalf of the WG chairs) > > > On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:23, Linda Dunbar wrote: > > > > The authors of I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-consumer- > facing-interface-dm-04 > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > Thank you. > > Linda & Yoav > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --f4f5e80669bcfd5ec005659aeb34 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Yoav,

We authors will address the comments on the n= ew WG document

on Consumer-Facing Interface Data Model and submit= it before the I-D due.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Paul

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On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks t= o all who participated.

We believe that there is rough c= onsensus to adopt this document as a starting point for the group to work o= n.

Authors, please resubmit this document as a wor= king group document with the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-int= erface-dm-00.

Yoav
(on behalf of the WG = chairs)

On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:23, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote= :

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Have= requested working group adoption of this draft.=C2=A0=C2=A0
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While all feedb= ack is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are much more helpful= than just "yes please" or "no thank you".
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Linda & Yoav=
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Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > Thanks to all who participated. > > We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a > starting point for the group to work on. > > Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group document with > the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm-00. > > Yoav > (on behalf of the WG chairs) > > > On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, Linda Dunbar wrote: > > > The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Dat= a > Model > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing- > interface-data-model-04 > > Have requested working group adoption of this draft. > > Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the draft = current > content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good basis for a > working group to work on. > > While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations are > much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". > > Thank you. > > Linda & Yoav > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php --94eb2c0b0c56fe933c05659aed81 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Yoav,

We authors will address the comments on the new WG document

on NSF-Facing Interface Data Model and = submit it before the I-D due.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Paul

On Fri,= Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> w= rote:

Thanks to all who participated.

We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a = starting point for the group to work on.

Authors, = please resubmit this document as a working group document with the name dra= ft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm-00.

Yoa= v
(on behalf of the WG chairs)

On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, L= inda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0
The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interf= ace YANG Data Model
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2n= sf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04<= /div>
=C2=A0
Have requested working g= roup adoption of this draft.=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=
Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t= mean that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that = it is a good basis for a working group to work on.
=C2=A0
While all feedback is helpful, com= ments pro or con with explanations are much more helpful than just "ye= s please" or "no thank you".
= =C2=A0
Thank you.=C2=A0
= =C2=A0
Linda & Yoav
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Yoav (and this goes for the other thread too) > On 20 Feb 2018, at 3:42, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong = wrote: >=20 > Hi Yoav, > We authors will address the comments on the new WG document > on NSF-Facing Interface Data Model and submit it before the I-D due. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Best Regards, > Paul >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir > wrote: > Thanks to all who participated. >=20 > We believe that there is rough consensus to adopt this document as a = starting point for the group to work on. >=20 > Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group document = with the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm-00. >=20 > Yoav > (on behalf of the WG chairs) >=20 >=20 >> On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, Linda Dunbar > wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> The authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG = Data Model >> = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-mode= l-04 = >>=20 >> Have requested working group adoption of this draft. >>=20 >> Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean that the = draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it is a good = basis for a working group to work on. >>=20 >> While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with explanations = are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank you". >>=20 >> Thank you. >>=20 >> Linda & Yoav >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> I2nsf mailing list >> I2nsf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf = >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Department of Software > Sungkyunkwan University > Office: +82-31-299-4957 > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com , = pauljeong@skku.edu > Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php = --Apple-Mail=_47A18294-2A1D-4C76-B75F-4006B411DF4C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thanks.

Yoav

(and this goes for the other thread too)

On 20 = Feb 2018, at 3:42, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Yoav,
We authors will = address the comments on the new WG document
on NSF-Facing = Interface Data Model and submit it before the I-D due.

Thanks.

Best = Regards,
Paul

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> = wrote:
Thanks to all who participated.

We believe that there is rough = consensus to adopt this document as a starting point for the group to = work on.

Authors, please resubmit this document as a working group = document with the name draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm-00.

Yoav
(on behalf of the WG = chairs)

On 27 Jan 2018, at 1:21, Linda Dunbar = <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:

The= authors of I2NSF Network Security Functions-Facing Interface YANG Data = Model
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kim-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-data-model-04

Have requested working group adoption of this = draft.

Please bear in mind that WG Adoption doesn=E2=80=99t mean = that the draft current content is ready, WG Adoption only means that it = is a good basis for a working group to work on.

While all feedback is helpful, comments pro or con with = explanations are much more helpful than just "yes please" or "no thank = you".

Thank you.

Linda & Yoav

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Mr. Jaehoon = (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan = University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
Personal= Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php

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RFC 8329 Title: Framework for Interface to Network Security Functions Author: D. Lopez, E. Lopez, L. Dunbar, J. Strassner, R. Kumar Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: February 2018 Mailbox: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com, ed@curveballnetworks.com, Linda.dunbar@huawei.com, john.sc.strassner@huawei.com, rakeshkumarcloud@gmail.com Pages: 25 Characters: 56930 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-i2nsf-framework-10.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8329 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8329 This document describes the framework for Interface to Network Security Functions (I2NSF) and defines a reference model (including major functional components) for I2NSF. Network Security Functions (NSFs) are packet-processing engines that inspect and optionally modify packets traversing networks, either directly or in the context of sessions to which the packet is associated. This document is a product of the Interface to Network Security Functions Working Group of the IETF. 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Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:11:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org, Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.73.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151977308677.5200.837107231202304805.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:11:26 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [I2nsf] i2nsf - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 101 X-BeenThere: i2nsf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "*I2NSF: Interface to Network Security Functions mailing list*" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 23:11:28 -0000 Dear Linda Dunbar, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. i2nsf Session 1 (2:00:00) Wednesday, Morning Session I 0930-1200 Room Name: Palace C size: 50 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Interface to Network Security Functions Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Linda Dunbar Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 60 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: i2rs idr trill rtgarea l2sm netconf ipsecme dots sacm saag nfvrg Second Priority: sfc rtgwg mile netmod nvo3 People who must be present: Kathleen Moriarty Yoav Nir Linda Dunbar Resources Requested: Special Requests: ---------------------------------------------------------