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This message is not intended for residents in the State of Washington, screening of addresses has been done to the best of our technical ability. Subject: Five Is The Key To My Freedom, It Could Be Yours Too. AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so gladI finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in." Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =================================================== Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTUREREFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. Preferably use a word processor to type legibly these details and print on your printer. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 .. $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ======================================================= Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and dd METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receivethe report. =========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. Preferably use a word processor and your printer to do this. ================================================= PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ============================================================ REPORT # 1: 'The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net Order Report #1 from: Paul J. Risman P.O. Box 368 Tweed Ontario K0K 3J0 Canada _____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report # 2 from: PDP P.O. BOX 80572 185 10 PIRAEUS GREECE ____________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the net Order Report # 3 from: S.S. 32 Cross Street San Francisco, CA 94112 USA ________________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM& the Net Order Report # 4 from: Ada Ario 50 First Street, Suite I San Francisco, CA 94105 USA ________________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: How to send out 0ne Million emails for free Order Report # 5 From: Art Ano 146 McAllister Street,#103 San Francisco, CA 94102 USA ========================================================== ____________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jodyaboutreceiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing,spoutingmy knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ======================================================= ''I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks." Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet.". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed May 9 03:04:35 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id DAA01136 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 03:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27009 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 8 May 2001 23:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pavilion (a24b31n80client230.hawaii.rr.com [24.31.80.230]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26991 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 23:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31262200153962136800@pavilion> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 19 X-EM-Registration: #01B0530810E603002D00 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal From: "Mitchell" To: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Business/Employment Opportunity Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:21:36 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id XAA26999 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Friend: "Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time" THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET! =============================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR !! Before you say "Bull" , please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below , to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are "absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost". DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: "Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in". Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed thesimple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program,I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything ." 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YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5 = $25.00. **** Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. ****.IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in steps 1 through6 or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY ! ========================================================= Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1 : BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ============================================ let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2% . Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's = 100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH = $500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone, or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are over 250 million people on the internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET =================================================== Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free adson the internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it . Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. _____________________ AVAILABLE REPORTS_____________________ ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ============================================== REPORT #1, "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: G. Donaldson P.O. Box 25884 Honolulu, Hawaii 96825-0884 don't forget to provide a permanent e-mail address in clear writing (better typed) to receive the reports. We had problems in delivery e-mails before!!! ============================================== REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Vijay Paul C-291, Second Floor Defence Colony New Delhi - 110024 INDIA ============================================== REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: JD P.O.Box 1114 Des Plaines, IL 60017 USA ============================================== REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: J Santi 833 Walter Ave Des Plaines, IL 60016 USA ============================================== REPORT #5 "How to SEND 1,000,000 e-mails for FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: Elaine Rix 138 Dundas Street, West, #243 Toronto, Ontario Canada M5G 1C3 ============================================== There are currently more than 250,000,000 people online worldwide! $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you , and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER : Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ____________________________________________________ FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on everyone of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ************** MORE TESTIMONIALS **************** "My name is Mitchell. My wife , Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn'twork. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received a total of $ 147,200.00 all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''." Mitchell Wolf, Chicago, Illinois ------------------------------------------------------------ "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ----------------------------------------------------------- "I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks". Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ---------------------------------------------------- "It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $ 20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $ 362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------ ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US Congress this letter cannot be considered spam as long as the sender includes contact information and a method of removal. This is one time e-mail transmission. No request for removal is necessary. ------------------------------------------------------------ This message is sent in compliance of the new email Bill HR 1910. Under Bill HR 1910 passed by the 106th US Congress on May 24, 1999, this message cannot be considered Spam as long as we include the way to be removed. Per Section HR 1910, Please type "REMOVE" in the subject line and reply to this email. All removal requests are handled personally an immediately once received. From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Fri May 11 07:15:46 2001 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA04098 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 07:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06098 for ietf-fax-bks; Fri, 11 May 2001 03:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.notes.ricoh.co.jp (mail.notes.ricoh.co.jp [202.211.49.10]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06094 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 03:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@[133.139.250.75]) by mail.notes.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) id TAA14752 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 19:35:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from newton.toda.ricoh.co.jp (newton.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.10]) by delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAM48690; Fri, 11 May 2001 19:35:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (maple.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.73]) by newton.toda.ricoh.co.jp (8.6.11+2.4W/3.3W9-1.0S8sun) with ESMTP id TAA00148 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 19:35:07 +0900 To: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: Draft communication letter to ITU-T In-Reply-To: <20010430160954A.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> References: <20010430160954A.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010511193610N.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:36:10 +0900 (JST) From: Hiroshi Tamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 58 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folk, > Draft communication letter to ITU-T is below. > Next ITU-T SG16 meeting is held from May 28 to June 8. > > If you have comments, please say by May 10. > ^^^^^^^ >b)Full Mode >-> >Fortunately, The WG started discussing this issue. There is one I-D: >draft-maeda-faxwg-fax-processing-status-00.txt. (It is updated to -01 >in our ML, but, you can only find as -00 at the IETF site.) It addresses The editor already requested -01. So, I change -00 to -01 and remove (). Sooner or later, it will be announced. >1.2 Terminal Mode >-> >Fortunately, our WG also started discussing it. There are two I-Ds: >draft-maeda-faxwg-terminal-mode-goals-00.txt and >draft-maeda-faxwg-terminal-mode-protocol-00.txt. (They are updated to -01 >in our ML, but, you can only find as -00 at the IETF site.). They include The same. I change -00 to -01 and remove (). Also, I received one comment for TIFF-FX status. > 2 Current FAX WG's activities in relation to T.37 > 2.1 Draft Standard Consideration on Simple mode RFCs > There are the following I-Ds that the WG is now requesting to IESG > for Draft Standard consideration. > - draft-ietf-fax-tiff-fx-09.txt (that will obsolete RFC 2301) > - draft-ietf-fax-minaddr-v2-03.txt (that will obsolete RFC 2303) > - draft-ietf-fax-faxaddr-v2-03.txt (that will obsolete RFC 2304) > Along with draft-ietf-fax-tiff-fx-09.txt, the group is requesting > draft-ietf-fax-tiff-regbis-02.txt that will obsolete RFC 2302 should be BCP. > IESG already checked the contents, therefore, the WG thinks IESG will > approve them soon. I change the last phrase to: Along with draft-ietf-fax-tiff-fx-09.txt, the group is requesting draft-ietf-fax-tiff-regbis-02.txt that will obsolete RFC 2302 should be BCP. IESG already checked the contents. But, an issue has been raised with regard to interoperability and intellectual property in the use of TIFF It has been raised by AD to IAB for resolution. AD, IAB, WG chairs and the related people are now trying to solve it. After that, IESG will approve them soon. If there are others, please let me know ASAP. Regards, -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Sat May 12 01:01:38 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id BAA28460 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 01:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00544 for ietf-fax-bks; Fri, 11 May 2001 21:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.notes.ricoh.co.jp (mail.notes.ricoh.co.jp [202.211.49.10]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00540 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 21:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@[133.139.250.75]) by mail.notes.ricoh.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) id NAA12940; Sat, 12 May 2001 13:32:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from newton.toda.ricoh.co.jp (newton.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.10]) by delsol.isd.ricoh.co.jp (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAM54055; Sat, 12 May 2001 13:31:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (maple.toda.ricoh.co.jp [133.139.60.73]) by newton.toda.ricoh.co.jp (8.6.11+2.4W/3.3W9-1.0S8sun) with ESMTP id NAA05301; Sat, 12 May 2001 13:31:20 +0900 To: Lloyd.McIntyre@pahv.xerox.com Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: RE: Draft communication letter to ITU-T In-Reply-To: <51B8ABCE456FD111899900805F6FD6EE067A3350@mercury.ADOC.xerox.com> References: <51B8ABCE456FD111899900805F6FD6EE067A3350@mercury.ADOC.xerox.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010512133221N.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:32:21 +0900 (JST) From: Hiroshi Tamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 28 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, Sorry. > > Along with draft-ietf-fax-tiff-fx-09.txt, the group is requesting > > draft-ietf-fax-tiff-regbis-02.txt that will obsolete RFC > > 2302 should be BCP. > > IESG already checked the contents. But, an issue has been raised > > with regard to interoperability and intellectual property > > in the use of TIFF > > It has been raised by AD to IAB for resolution. AD, IAB, WG > > chairs and the related > > people are now trying to solve it. After that, IESG will > > approve them soon. > I am aware of an intellectural property issue but not interoperability. > Please clarify or edit. Yes, you are exactly right. Thank you for your notification. I just edit as follows. An issue has been raised with regard to intellectual property.... Regards, -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From phoffman@above.proper.com Sun May 13 00:32:29 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA25374 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 00:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11936; Sat, 12 May 2001 21:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105130432.VAA11936@above.proper.com> To: fax-archive@ietf.org From: subs-reminder@imc.org Subject: Subscription for fax-archive@lists.ietf.org to the ietf-fax mailing list Greetings. This message is a periodic reminder that you are subscribed to the ietf-fax mailing list, and you are subscribed as: fax-archive@lists.ietf.org There are two purposes for this message: - If this message is bounced by your mail server, I can remove you from the mailing list and reduce waste of bandwidth and resources. (If you are reading this message, it clearly didn't get bounced!) - Some people stay subscribed to mailing lists even though they do not want to because they do not know how to unsubscribe. If you want to stay subscribed to the ietf-fax mailing list, you do not need to do anyting. If you want to unsubscribe from this list, you can respond to this message and I will unsubscribe you. This may take a few days because it will be done by hand by a human. If you want to unsubscribe automatically, send a plain-text message to: ietf-fax-request@imc.org with the single word unsubscribe in the body of the message. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. --Paul Hoffman, list administrator From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed May 16 04:17:54 2001 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id EAA01212 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 04:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19159 for ietf-fax-bks; Wed, 16 May 2001 00:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bulls.mei.co.jp (bulls.mei.co.jp [202.224.189.25]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19154 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 00:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bulls.mei.co.jp (8.11.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id f4G7cnP14738; Wed, 16 May 2001 16:38:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by dodgers.mei.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7W) with SMTP id QAA16932; Wed, 16 May 2001 16:38:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from [133.185.137.6] by m-bb2.mgcs.mei.co.jp via smtpd (for [157.8.1.150]) with SMTP; 16 May 2001 07:38:48 UT Received: from mlsv1.mgcs.mei.co.jp by mlsv0.mgcs.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-HUB) with ESMTP id QAA21308; Wed, 16 May 2001 16:38:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from mlsv2.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp by mlsv1.mgcs.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-MGCS) with ESMTP id QAA26217; Wed, 16 May 2001 16:38:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from d23n59.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp by mlsv2.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-RDMG) with SMTP id QAA17943; Wed, 16 May 2001 16:38:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200105160743.AA01551@d23n59.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp> From: "Toyoda, Kiyoshi" Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:43:15 +0900 To: Hiroshi Tamura Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-fax-service-v2-03.txt In-Reply-To: <20010430153150C.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> References: <20010430153150C.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.10 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------------------9308976273441905" Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is multipart message. ----------------------9308976273441905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Folks, Hiroshi Tamura wrote: > >Therefore, as we confirmed at the Minneapolis meeting, >we can submit it to the IESG with the interworking report >for Draft Standard consideration. >(But, it is not publised until all dependencies are resolved.) > >With regard to the interworking report, Toyoda-san, one of >the editors, will circulate it in our ML. > I made the draft of "RFC2305 Implementation Reports" and "Status of references in draft-ietf-fax-service-v2-03.txt" I attached files of the draft and status of references. Please comment about them. Maeda-san, would you inform CANON's implementation? 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ktoyoda@rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp, maeda@crf.canon.fr Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-fax-service-v2-03.txt In-Reply-To: <200105160743.AA01551@d23n59.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp> References: <20010430153150C.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> <200105160743.AA01551@d23n59.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.1 (AOI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010518083127A.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:31:27 +0900 (JST) From: Hiroshi Tamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 23 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maeda-san, From: "Toyoda, Kiyoshi" > I made the draft of "RFC2305 Implementation Reports" and > "Status of references in draft-ietf-fax-service-v2-03.txt" > I attached files of the draft and status of references. > Please comment about them. > > Maeda-san, would you inform CANON's implementation? Could you please do? Toyoda-san, There is one comment for reference report. We already requested to IESG last year, to consider RFC2301 as Draft Standard. Could you also add it in Open issue? Regards, -- Hiroshi Tamura, Co-chair of IETF-FAX WG E-mail: tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Thu May 17 23:14:24 2001 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA03896 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 23:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11443 for ietf-fax-bks; Thu, 17 May 2001 19:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bulls.mei.co.jp (bulls.mei.co.jp [202.224.189.25]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11438 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 19:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bulls.mei.co.jp (8.11.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id f4I2Yj910572; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:34:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by dodgers.mei.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7W) with SMTP id LAA02172; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:34:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from [133.185.137.6] by m-bb2.mgcs.mei.co.jp via smtpd (for [157.8.1.150]) with SMTP; 18 May 2001 02:34:42 UT Received: from mlsv1.mgcs.mei.co.jp by mlsv0.mgcs.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-HUB) with ESMTP id LAA28910; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:34:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from mlsv2.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp by mlsv1.mgcs.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-MGCS) with ESMTP id LAA25500; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:34:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from d23n59.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp by mlsv2.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-RDMG) with SMTP id LAA23450; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:34:39 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200105180239.AA01566@d23n59.rdmg.mgcs.mei.co.jp> From: "Toyoda, Kiyoshi" Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:39:09 +0900 To: Hiroshi Tamura Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-fax-service-v2-03.txt In-Reply-To: <20010518083127A.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> References: <20010518083127A.tamura@toda.ricoh.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.10 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------------------9728243503563600" Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is multipart message. ----------------------9728243503563600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hiroshi Tamura wrote: >Toyoda-san, >There is one comment for reference report. >We already requested to IESG last year, to consider RFC2301 >as Draft Standard. Could you also add it in Open issue? > Yes. I revised Reference Report. Please check the file attached. 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TWFyY2ggMTk5OC4NCiAgIE5vbiBub3JtYXRpdmUgcmVmZXJlbmNlDQoNCg== ----------------------9728243503563600-- From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Fri May 18 05:09:15 2001 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id FAA21000 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 05:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09128 for ietf-fax-bks; Fri, 18 May 2001 01:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elettra.trieste.it (SYNX02.elettra.trieste.it [140.105.2.2]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA09120 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 01:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:37:18 +0100 To: "Chapman, Roger (R.C.)" cc: "Johnson, Roger (R.W.)" , ietf-fax@imc.org In-Reply-To: <200105171713.f4HHDbw06464@dymwsm10.mailwatch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Claudio Allocchio Subject: Re: Fax Content Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: >Claudio, >some two years ago you help >us with an opinion on the use of certain characters in an RFC822 address. >We subsequent worked with our supplier to implement an email to fax solution >based on the addressing schema in RFC 2304; this has been highly successful >and is working well today. Good to hear that. Is this implementaion an internal system only, or something that can be referred as "an implementation" of RFC2304? In fact RFC2304 is being now approved as Draft Stadard, as there are also other implementation using it. In case, just drop me a refernce for it, thus we can add it to the eixisting implementaion list. >Our business has moved on >and we are facing a requirement to allow data to be sent to a faxing service >which would produce, for example, a Purchase Order. We have been told that >there is a standard language called Fax Control Language which meets the >requirement. Neither Roger Johnson in the US nor I have heard of this and >wondered if you had heard of it and whether it was a >'standard' Actually I never heard of it, too, but I turn the question to the ietf FAX working group, which might know more about it and give you the right answer. Dear Fax folks, do you have any information for our friends? Regards, Claudio Allocchio >Many >Thanks >Roger Chapman >Supervisor, Collaborative >Applications >Ford Systems Integration >Center >Information Technology and >eBusiness >Ford Motor >Company ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Project Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://security.fi.infn.it/cgi-bin/spgpk.pl?KeyId=0C5C2A09 From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Fri May 18 16:50:44 2001 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA16124 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20159 for ietf-fax-bks; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phobos.pop-star.net (phobos.pop-star.net [64.85.83.5]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20151 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m42.pop-star.net ([208.181.22.42] helo=pop-star.net) by phobos.pop-star.net with asmtp (Exim 3.167 #4) id 150qp4-0000xJ-00 for ietf-fax@imc.org; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:26:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3B058651.BB76D01C@pop-star.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:30:09 -0700 From: Mark Fraser X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: Fax Content Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: mfraser@pop-star.net Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A little bit of browsing suggests that a number of firms offer an API to support script or command-line transmission of material to a fax server for further handling. Biscom is one, and my employer's firm, POPstar Communications is another. I cannot speak for Biscom, but I do know that we use this application in conjunction with "templates" (such as a Purchase Order template) and "overlays" (the variable material in a fax cover page, for example, the contents of the Purchase Order "blanks", and the names of any other documents or files to become part of the fax job. This does provide a very efficient channel from, for example, a "Portal", where volumes are high. I am not aware of any de-facto or other standards that have been proposed for this type of interface. Mark Fraser POPstar Communications Vancouver Canada http://www.pop-star.net mfraser@pop-star.net Claudio Allocchio wrote: > > >Claudio, > >some two years ago you help > >us with an opinion on the use of certain characters in an RFC822 address. > >We subsequent worked with our supplier to implement an email to fax solution > >based on the addressing schema in RFC 2304; this has been highly successful > >and is working well today. > > Good to hear that. Is this implementaion an internal system only, or > something that can be referred as "an implementation" of RFC2304? In fact > RFC2304 is being now approved as Draft Stadard, as there are also other > implementation using it. In case, just drop me a refernce for it, thus we > can add it to the eixisting implementaion list. > > >Our business has moved on > >and we are facing a requirement to allow data to be sent to a faxing service > >which would produce, for example, a Purchase Order. We have been told that > >there is a standard language called Fax Control Language which meets the > >requirement. Neither Roger Johnson in the US nor I have heard of this and > >wondered if you had heard of it and whether it was a > >'standard' > > Actually I never heard of it, too, but I turn the question to the ietf FAX > working group, which might know more about it and give you the right > answer. > > Dear Fax folks, do you have any information for our friends? > > Regards, > Claudio Allocchio > > >Many > >Thanks > > >Roger Chapman > >Supervisor, Collaborative > >Applications > >Ford Systems Integration > >Center > >Information Technology and > >eBusiness > >Ford Motor > >Company > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it > Project Technical Officer > tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; > fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; > > PGP Key: http://security.fi.infn.it/cgi-bin/spgpk.pl?KeyId=0C5C2A09 From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Mon May 21 08:21:55 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA07034 for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 08:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22478 for ietf-fax-bks; Mon, 21 May 2001 04:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duval.se.mediaone.net (duval.se.mediaone.net [24.129.0.67]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22469 for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 04:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jdahmen (rr-163-50-127.atl.mediaone.net [24.163.50.127]) by duval.se.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f4LBs1508752; Mon, 21 May 2001 07:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Jim Dahmen" To: "'Mark Fraser'" , Subject: RE: Fax Content Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c0e1ed$a3c3f0c0$7f32a318@atl.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, You are correct in that there are many vendors with proprietary protocols. There are no ITU or TIA standards for this type of interface. Best regards, Jim Dahmen Chair TR30.5 > > A little bit of browsing suggests that a number of firms offer an > > API to support script or command-line transmission of material to > > a fax server for further handling. Biscom is one, and my employer's > > firm, POPstar Communications is another. > > > > I cannot speak for Biscom, but I do know that we use this > application > > in conjunction with "templates" (such as a Purchase Order template) > > and "overlays" (the variable material in a fax cover page, > > for example, > > the contents of the Purchase Order "blanks", and the names of any > > other documents or files to become part of the fax job. This does > > provide a very efficient channel from, for example, a > "Portal", where > > volumes are high. I am not aware of any de-facto or other standards > > that have been proposed for this type of interface. > > Mark Fraser > > POPstar Communications > > Vancouver Canada > > http://www.pop-star.net > > mfraser@pop-star.net From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed May 23 07:50:51 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA01221 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 07:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08836 for ietf-fax-bks; Wed, 23 May 2001 04:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA08831 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 04:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA00321; Wed, 23 May 2001 07:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200105231115.HAA00321@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:15:41 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Fax Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet FAX Gateway Functions Author(s) : K. Mimura, K. Yokoyama, T. Satoh, C. Kanaide Filename : draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt Pages : 12 Date : 22-May-01 An Internet FAX Gateway provides functions which translate facsimile between the general switched telephone network (GSTN) the Internet. This document provides information on recommended behaviors for Internet FAX Gateways Functions. In this context, an Offramp means facsimile data transmission to the GSTN from the Internet, and onramp means facsimile data transmission to Internet from the GSTN. This document covers the delivery-process of the data among equipment which may include Internet Fax terminals, PCs on the Internet and FAX terminal on GSTN. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20010522134751.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20010522134751.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed May 23 07:58:51 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA01503 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 07:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08832 for ietf-fax-bks; Wed, 23 May 2001 04:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA08825 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 04:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA00305; Wed, 23 May 2001 07:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200105231115.HAA00305@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:15:36 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Fax Working Group of the IETF. Title : Guideline of optional services for Internet FAX Gateway Author(s) : K. Mimura, K. Yokoyama, T. Satoh, K. Watanabe, C. Kanaide Filename : draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt Pages : 11 Date : 22-May-01 An Internet FAX Gateway provides functions which translate facsimile between the general switched telephone network (GSTN) the Internet. This document provides information on guideline of optional services and some examples for an Internet FAX Gateway classified as an onramp gateway and an offramp gateway. So this document does not intend to specify the actions that ifax offramp and onramp Gateways conform to. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20010522134742.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20010522134742.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed May 23 08:30:18 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA02495 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 08:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11903 for ietf-fax-bks; Wed, 23 May 2001 04:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com [171.70.157.152]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11895 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 04:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com [171.69.24.15]) by sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4NBsrc10645; Wed, 23 May 2001 04:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DWINGW2K (dhcp-sto5-vlan10-64-103-96-254.cisco.com [64.103.96.254]) by mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABT02290; Wed, 23 May 2001 04:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Wing" To: , , , , Cc: Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:56:19 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200105231115.HAA00305@ietf.org> Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 3 of this document provides an example, including ABNF. This isn't an example but rather it is an attempt to create a standard for sending authentication information (and that authentication information is supposed to subsequently be used for authorization). This doesn't belong in an Informational document. Please remove this example in section 3.1 from this document. If the desire is to create a standard for sending authenication information, it should be done as a full standards document, not an Informational RFC. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org]On > Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:16 PM > To: IETF-Announce: > Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Internet Fax Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Guideline of optional services for Internet FAX > Gateway > Author(s) : K. Mimura, K. Yokoyama, T. Satoh, K. Watanabe, > C. Kanaide > Filename : draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 22-May-01 > > An Internet FAX Gateway provides functions which translate facsimile > between the general switched telephone network (GSTN) the Internet. > This document provides information on guideline of optional services > and some examples for an Internet FAX Gateway classified as an onramp > gateway and an offramp gateway. > So this document does not intend to specify the actions that ifax > offramp and onramp Gateways conform to. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed May 23 08:52:02 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA03211 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 08:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13028 for ietf-fax-bks; Wed, 23 May 2001 05:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13024 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 05:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com [171.69.24.15]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4NCHB926577; Wed, 23 May 2001 05:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DWINGW2K (dhcp-sto5-vlan10-64-103-96-254.cisco.com [64.103.96.254]) by mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABT02455; Wed, 23 May 2001 05:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Wing" To: , , , Cc: Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:17:09 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200105231115.HAA00321@ietf.org> Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 3.2.1 indicates the offramp gateway must create a local dial number. This isn't required -- rather, it must be able to process the E.164 correctly, which MIGHT require rewriting it to a local number. For example, it is possible that the full E.164 is handed to the telephony service, and no internal rewriting is required in the fax gateway. Specifically, a PBX might accept a full E.164 number and might do the rewriting necessary, which means the gateway shouldn't be doing what is described in section 3.2.1. Thus, section 3.2.1 sets a requirement which isn't necessary. I suggest rewording this section to remove the requirement that the gateway be able to translate the E.164 to a local number -- rather, say that the gateway must be able to utilize the E.164 number, and that the TYPICAL way to utilize the E.164 number is to rewrite it to a local phone number. Section 3.3, "User authorization", contains: 1) Encipherment of user authorization and facsimile data is performed by the existing SMTP, such as S/MIME and X-Header, using the possible security technique. which discusses encryption of the data -- not just user authorization. The title of the section should be changed, or the above text describing encryption should be moved to a new section. I don't understand 2) The distribution demand from the user who permitted use of the Internet Fax Gateway is received using the user authorization function and E-mail transmitting function of WWW. The requirement An offramp gateway MUST have the function which the offramp gateway send return notice to the source IFAX device, when a transmitting error occurred then finished with the facsimile data not transmitted. is already in RFC2305. Is the requirement in RFC2305 not sufficient? 4.1 Onramp Functions An onramp gateway MUST have the function that the onramp gateway receive facsimile data from facsimile device over GSTN, then generated Internet fax is sent to appropriate IFAX devices or PC by the onramp gateway. The above text requires that the onramp communicate directly with the destination PC or IFAX device. This is not how SMTP works -- you seldom, if ever, communicate directly with the destination device, but rather with intermediate SMTP servers. Please remove this requirement, as it is unattainable from a technical viewpoint: the onramp has no way to communicate 'directly' to the end device. I believe the requirement in rfc2305 is sufficient for describing this specific onramp fax function. Please remove section 4.1. 4.2 Address designation An onramp gateway MUST have the function that onramp gateway analyze destination address from address data sent by facsimile device over GSTN. There isn't any "destination address [...] sent by facsimile device under GSTN". I'm not sure what section 4.2 is requiring, but as there isn't any "destination address" in T.30 / T.4, and not all facsimile devices can get the DNIS, I'm not sure what this section is requiring. I know there was a proposal to add some sort of information to T.30 -- is this what you're referring to? I'm really unclear where the information described in 4.2.1 comes from over the GSTN...? Most of section 4.2 describes a "redialer". If there is a desire to standardize this, that's fine, but let's standardize this as a separate document, as the behavior with redialers is complex and it is important to describe redailer behavior clearly, including timeouts, E.164 versus non-E.164 numbers, and so on. This would allow manufacturers to indicate clearly which type of redialers they support (redialers for authentication only, redialers for destination routing only, redialers for both authentication and destination routing, etc.). Section 4.3 describes a "relay function", but doesn't explain what a relay function is. Please update the Internet Draft to clarify this. Section 4.4 says: 4.4 File format conversion An onramp gateway MUST counvert file format from an facsimile over GSTN to file format TIFF Profile-S for Internet Fax defined in [RFC2301]. This is already a requirement of rfc2305, and does not need to be restated in this Internet Draft. 4.5 User authorization Onramp gateway MAY have a user authorization function to confirm that they are the data that suitable user transmitted. For example, User authorization is done by using user ID, password extracted from DTMF (Dual Tone Multi Frequency). it can be done by CLID, too, which is more secure and doesn't require a redialer nor any change in user behavior when using a fax call-around service or onramp+offramp. Overall, it seems this document is really trying to specify the requirements for redialers -- the rest of the document seems to repeat what is already in rfc2305. Repeating RFC2305 requirements is redundant and adds confusion. IETF documents are layered on each other -- there isn't a need, nor is it possible, to have all requirements in one document for one 'application', such as fax-over-SMTP. There is one document which specifies the baseline requirements for fax over SMTP, which is rfc2305 (T.37), and there are documents which can extend this baseline without repeating requirements unless they do, in fact, change. See RFC2532 for an example, which adds MDN and DSN support to a device that already supports RFC2305. Likewise, a device that supports RFC2305 has to support SMTP (RFC821, 822), the MIME RFCs, TCP, IP, ARP, and many other lower-layer protocols. However, use of those protocols isn't restated in RFC2305 because it would be redundant. -d From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed May 23 11:57:45 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA08076 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 11:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25505 for ietf-fax-bks; Wed, 23 May 2001 08:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25483 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 08:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.com ([24.3.205.203]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010523152156.TLYP6913.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 08:21:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3B0BD64D.991C23D2@home.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:25:01 -0400 From: "Herman R. Silbiger" Reply-To: hsilbiger@ieee.org Organization: APPLICOM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt References: <200105231115.HAA00321@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it should be made clear in this document, perhaps up front somewhere, that it only discusses fax gateway functions that apply to internet mail based fax (T.37) an that gateway functions and protocols for real time internet fax are described in Rec. T.38. This might reduce possible confusion in some readers minds. Herman Silbiger Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Internet Fax Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Internet FAX Gateway Functions > Author(s) : K. Mimura, K. Yokoyama, T. Satoh, C. Kanaide > Filename : draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 22-May-01 > > An Internet FAX Gateway provides functions which translate facsimile > between the general switched telephone network (GSTN) the Internet. > This document provides information on recommended behaviors for > Internet FAX Gateways Functions. In this context, an Offramp means > facsimile data transmission to the GSTN from the Internet, and onramp > means facsimile data transmission to Internet from the GSTN. > This document covers the delivery-process of the data among equipment > which may include Internet Fax terminals, PCs on the Internet and FAX > terminal on GSTN. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-ID: <20010522134751.I-D@ietf.org> From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed May 23 12:39:28 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA09281 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 12:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01658 for ietf-fax-bks; Wed, 23 May 2001 09:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com [171.70.157.152]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01649 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 09:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com [171.69.24.15]) by sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4NFwdc24593; Wed, 23 May 2001 08:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DWINGW2K (dhcp-sto5-vlan10-64-103-96-254.cisco.com [64.103.96.254]) by mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ABT05426; Wed, 23 May 2001 08:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Wing" To: , Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:59:47 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3B0BD64D.991C23D2@home.com> Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, but I would cite RFC2305 or RFC2305bis (whatever RFC it becomes), not the ITU T.37 specification. Folks in IETF-land don't know of T.37; T.37 refers to the IETF RFC. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org]On > Behalf Of Herman R. Silbiger > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:25 PM > To: ietf-fax@imc.org > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt > > > I think it should be made clear in this document, perhaps up front > somewhere, that > it only discusses fax gateway functions that apply to internet mail > based fax > (T.37) an that gateway functions and protocols for real time > internet fax are > described in Rec. T.38. This might reduce possible confusion in > some readers > minds. > > Herman Silbiger > > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > Internet-Drafts directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Internet Fax Working Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : Internet FAX Gateway Functions > > Author(s) : K. Mimura, K. Yokoyama, T. Satoh, C. Kanaide > > Filename : draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt > > Pages : 12 > > Date : 22-May-01 > > > > An Internet FAX Gateway provides functions which translate facsimile > > between the general switched telephone network (GSTN) the Internet. > > This document provides information on recommended behaviors for > > Internet FAX Gateways Functions. In this context, an Offramp means > > facsimile data transmission to the GSTN from the Internet, and onramp > > means facsimile data transmission to Internet from the GSTN. > > This document covers the delivery-process of the data among equipment > > which may include Internet Fax terminals, PCs on the Internet and FAX > > terminal on GSTN. > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with > the username > > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > > type "cd internet-drafts" and then > > "get draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt". > > > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > > > Send a message to: > > mailserv@ietf.org. > > In the body type: > > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt". > > > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant > mail readers > > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > > how to manipulate these messages. > > > > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > > Internet-Draft. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Content-ID: <20010522134751.I-D@ietf.org> > From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Mon May 28 00:02:37 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA15987 for ; Mon, 28 May 2001 00:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26122 for ietf-fax-bks; Sun, 27 May 2001 20:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (mail.toyocom.co.jp [210.232.21.1]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26117 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 20:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id MAA15816 for ; Mon, 28 May 2001 12:23:13 +0900 Received: from smtp.toyocom.co.jp (smtp.toyocom.co.jp [10.1.11.24]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id MAA14891; Mon, 28 May 2001 12:22:43 +0900 Received: from toyocom.co.jp ([172.16.72.36]) by smtp.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id MAA22650; Mon, 28 May 2001 12:28:31 +0900 Message-ID: <3B11C5E4.8060109@toyocom.co.jp> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:28:36 +0900 From: Katsuhiko Mimura Organization: TOYOCOM Network Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; ja-JP; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: ja, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing , ietf-fax@imc.org CC: k1@toyocom.co.jp, zsatou@toyocom.co.jp, knabe@toyocom.co.jp, kanaide@toyocom.co.jp Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dan, Thank you for your comments. Since I was absent till last weekend, the reply was overdue. In Section 3, I would like to provide an example of how to send authentication information. (the desire is not to create a standard.) In the case of Onramp action, I think that there are a lot of methods to send authentication information and it depends on a provider's services. And, I think , Although the item to tell can be specified, it is difficult to specify the format, because it is concerned also with a user's user friendliness and security. The format means kind of a separator , length of user ID , length of password , permutation of an item and so on. So, Section 3 shows an example. How is it? Is it better to indicate an example more? /mimura Dan Wing wrote: > Section 3 of this document provides an example, including ABNF. This isn't an > example but rather it is an attempt to create a standard for sending > authentication information (and that authentication information is supposed to > subsequently be used for authorization). This doesn't belong in an > Informational document. > > Please remove this example in section 3.1 from this document. > > > If the desire is to create a standard for sending authenication information, > it should be done as a full standards document, not an Informational RFC. > > -d From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Mon May 28 01:53:31 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id BAA19682 for ; Mon, 28 May 2001 01:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28510 for ietf-fax-bks; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (mail.toyocom.co.jp [210.232.21.1]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28502 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id OAA31745 for ; Mon, 28 May 2001 14:22:57 +0900 Received: from smtp.toyocom.co.jp (smtp.toyocom.co.jp [10.1.11.24]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id OAA31731; Mon, 28 May 2001 14:22:57 +0900 Received: from toyocom.co.jp ([172.16.72.36]) by smtp.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id OAA26008; Mon, 28 May 2001 14:28:46 +0900 Message-ID: <3B11E212.2020806@toyocom.co.jp> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:28:50 +0900 From: Katsuhiko Mimura Organization: TOYOCOM Network Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; ja-JP; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: ja, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing CC: hsilbiger@ieee.org, ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We had defined below in Section 1 . Do you think that you should describe these in Abstract? > Scope of Internet FAX Gateway defined in > this document is shown below. > > 1) A format of image data is a data format > defined by "Simple Mode" in [RFC2305]. > 2) Operational mode is "store and forward" > defined in section 2.5 of [RFC2542] /mimura Dan Wing wrote: > I agree, but I would cite RFC2305 or RFC2305bis (whatever RFC it becomes), > not the ITU T.37 specification. Folks in IETF-land don't know of T.37; > T.37 refers to the IETF RFC. > > -d From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue May 29 13:59:28 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA08061 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 13:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01965 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 29 May 2001 10:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.106]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01953 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 10:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.com ([24.3.205.203]) by femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010529172828.KVKD15974.femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Tue, 29 May 2001 10:28:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3B13DCFD.C2E5BD0@home.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:31:41 -0400 From: "Herman R. Silbiger" Reply-To: hsilbiger@ieee.org Organization: APPLICOM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Katsuhiko Mimura CC: Dan Wing , hsilbiger@ieee.org, ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt References: <3B11E212.2020806@toyocom.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would suggest the following additions of text to draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt. Change the first sentence of the abstract to: An Internet FAX Gateway provides functions which translate facsimile between the general switched telephone network (GSTN) the Internet. This document provides information on recommended behaviors for Internet FAX Gateways Functions for email-based Internet fax. Change the third sentence in the first paragraph of section 1 to: A more detailed definition of onramps and offramps for email-based Internet fax is provided in [RFC2542]. Internet FAX Gateways functions for real-time Internet fax are defined in [T.38]. Add to References: [T.38] "Procedures for real-time Group 3 facsimile communication over IP networks", ITU-T Recommendation T.38, June, 1998. By the way, date of the reference to T.30 should now be April 1999. Katsuhiko Mimura wrote: > We had defined below in Section 1 . > Do you think that you should describe > these in Abstract? > > > Scope of Internet FAX Gateway defined in > > this document is shown below. > > > > 1) A format of image data is a data format > > defined by "Simple Mode" in [RFC2305]. > > 2) Operational mode is "store and forward" > > defined in section 2.5 of [RFC2542] > > /mimura > > Dan Wing wrote: > > > I agree, but I would cite RFC2305 or RFC2305bis (whatever RFC it becomes), > > not the ITU T.37 specification. Folks in IETF-land don't know of T.37; > > T.37 refers to the IETF RFC. > > > > -d From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue May 29 14:53:39 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA09047 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 14:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04935 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.24.11]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04930 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com [171.69.24.15]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4TIS0U09487; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DWINGW2K (dhcp-128-107-142-130.cisco.com [128.107.142.130]) by mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACS00576; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Wing" To: "Katsuhiko Mimura" , Cc: , , , Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:26:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B11C5E4.8060109@toyocom.co.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Thank you for your comments. > Since I was absent till last weekend, > the reply was overdue. > > In Section 3, > I would like to provide an example of how to > send authentication information. > (the desire is not to create a standard.) An example doesn't require ABNF. Please remove the ABNF. > In the case of Onramp action, > I think that there are a lot of methods to send > authentication information and it depends on > a provider's services. Yes, that is true. And that is why I would prefer you add a paragraph (or so) of text indicating that the mechanism you're describing in the Onramp section is merely one, of many, methods. It is an example of one method, but is not the only method. > And, I think , > Although the item to tell can be specified, > it is difficult to specify the format, > because it is concerned also with a user's > user friendliness and security. Yes, agreed. > The format means kind of a separator , length > of user ID , length of password , permutation of > an item and so on. > > So, Section 3 shows an example. > > How is it? > > Is it better to indicate an example more? It is important to clearly indicate the example is non-normative. As you are undoubtably aware, many implementers look at examples when writing parsers, designing systems, and so forth, and it is vital that implementations are not unnaturally restricted to specific methods of authentication, specific use of redialers, specific ABNF for example authentication strings, etc. -d > /mimura > > Dan Wing wrote: > > > Section 3 of this document provides an example, including ABNF. > This isn't an > > example but rather it is an attempt to create a standard for sending > > authentication information (and that authentication information > is supposed to > > subsequently be used for authorization). This doesn't belong in an > > Informational document. > > > > Please remove this example in section 3.1 from this document. > > > > > > If the desire is to create a standard for sending authenication > information, > > it should be done as a full standards document, not an Informational RFC. > > > > -d > From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue May 29 14:56:29 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA09097 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04943 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04937 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com [171.69.24.15]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4TISFU03169; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DWINGW2K (dhcp-128-107-142-130.cisco.com [128.107.142.130]) by mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACS00611; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:28:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Wing" To: "Katsuhiko Mimura" Cc: , Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:28:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B11E212.2020806@toyocom.co.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay by me. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org]On > Behalf Of Katsuhiko Mimura > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 10:29 PM > To: Dan Wing > Cc: hsilbiger@ieee.org; ietf-fax@imc.org > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt > > > We had defined below in Section 1 . > Do you think that you should describe > these in Abstract? > > > Scope of Internet FAX Gateway defined in > > this document is shown below. > > > > 1) A format of image data is a data format > > defined by "Simple Mode" in [RFC2305]. > > 2) Operational mode is "store and forward" > > defined in section 2.5 of [RFC2542] > > /mimura > > > Dan Wing wrote: > > > I agree, but I would cite RFC2305 or RFC2305bis (whatever RFC it becomes), > > not the ITU T.37 specification. Folks in IETF-land don't know of T.37; > > T.37 refers to the IETF RFC. > > > > -d > From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue May 29 20:45:52 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA13271 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 20:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26978 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 29 May 2001 17:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (mail.toyocom.co.jp [210.232.21.1]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26974 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 17:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id JAA10796 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:18:03 +0900 Received: from smtp.toyocom.co.jp (smtp.toyocom.co.jp [10.1.11.24]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id JAA10776; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:18:02 +0900 Received: from toyocom.co.jp ([172.16.72.36]) by smtp.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id JAA07986; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:23:53 +0900 Message-ID: <3B143DA0.8060504@toyocom.co.jp> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:24:00 +0900 From: Katsuhiko Mimura Organization: TOYOCOM Network Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; ja-JP; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: ja, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing CC: ietf-fax@imc.org, k1@toyocom.co.jp, zsatou@toyocom.co.jp, knabe@toyocom.co.jp, kanaide@toyocom.co.jp Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > An example doesn't require ABNF. Please remove the ABNF. I agree. We think two ways of changes. Which is good? 1) We would like to remove example and change a Section 3.1 as follows. 3.1 Example of User authorization Onramp gateway MAY have a user authorization function to confirm that they are the data that suitable user transmitted. In the case of Onramp action, there are a lot of methods to send authentication information and it depends on a provider's services. So, an example is not described. 2) We would like to cut ABNF as follows. 3.1 Example of User authorization Onramp gateway MAY have a user authorization function to confirm that they are the data that suitable user transmitted. Example of user authorization by DTMF, GSTN user might send user-ID, password data after destination gstn-phone(Dual Tone Multi Frequency). example 8155551234*81467745523*98765# is detect by DTMF Each data are extracted as follows, and user authorization is done. Destination facsimile number : 8155551234 User ID : 81467745523 Password : 98765 "*" is separater, "#" is terminater. /mimura From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue May 29 20:49:01 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA13299 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27083 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 29 May 2001 17:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (mail.toyocom.co.jp [210.232.21.1]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27077 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 17:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id JAA15219 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:22:30 +0900 Received: from smtp.toyocom.co.jp (smtp.toyocom.co.jp [10.1.11.24]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id JAA15209; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:22:29 +0900 Received: from toyocom.co.jp ([172.16.72.36]) by smtp.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id JAA08130; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:28:20 +0900 Message-ID: <3B143EAB.4060004@toyocom.co.jp> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:28:27 +0900 From: Katsuhiko Mimura Organization: TOYOCOM Network Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; ja-JP; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: ja, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hsilbiger@ieee.org CC: Dan Wing , ietf-fax@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt References: <3B11E212.2020806@toyocom.co.jp> <3B13DCFD.C2E5BD0@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your good suggestion. We would like to change the draft like your suggestion. /mimura Herman R. Silbiger wrote: > I would suggest the following additions of text to > draft-ietf-fax-gateway-protocol-04.txt. > > Change the first sentence of the abstract to: > > > An Internet FAX Gateway provides functions which translate facsimile > between the general switched telephone network (GSTN) the Internet. > This document provides information on recommended behaviors for > Internet FAX Gateways Functions for email-based Internet fax. > > Change the third sentence in the first paragraph of section 1 to: > > A more detailed definition of onramps and offramps for email-based Internet > fax is provided in [RFC2542]. Internet FAX Gateways functions for real-time > Internet fax are defined in [T.38]. > > Add to References: > > [T.38] "Procedures for real-time Group 3 facsimile communication over IP > networks", ITU-T Recommendation T.38, June, 1998. > > By the way, date of the reference to T.30 should now be April 1999. > > Katsuhiko Mimura wrote: > > >> We had defined below in Section 1 . >> Do you think that you should describe >> these in Abstract? >> >> > Scope of Internet FAX Gateway defined in >> > this document is shown below. >> > >> > 1) A format of image data is a data format >> > defined by "Simple Mode" in [RFC2305]. >> > 2) Operational mode is "store and forward" >> > defined in section 2.5 of [RFC2542] >> >> /mimura >> >> Dan Wing wrote: >> >> >>> I agree, but I would cite RFC2305 or RFC2305bis (whatever RFC it becomes), >>> not the ITU T.37 specification. Folks in IETF-land don't know of T.37; >>> T.37 refers to the IETF RFC. >>> >>> -d >> From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue May 29 21:35:20 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA14626 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28971 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28965 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com [171.69.24.15]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4U14OU22214; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DWINGW2K (dhcp-128-107-142-130.cisco.com [128.107.142.130]) by mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACV00762; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Wing" To: "Katsuhiko Mimura" Cc: , , , , Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:04:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B143DA0.8060504@toyocom.co.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would prefer (1). If you really want to do (2), examples for each of the types of authentication should be shown, or else it implies that the one method is the most-preferred method. While our own gateways support it quite well, it often isn't the most preferred method based on what our customers have implemented to-date. -d > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org]On > Behalf Of Katsuhiko Mimura > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:24 PM > To: Dan Wing > Cc: ietf-fax@imc.org; k1@toyocom.co.jp; zsatou@toyocom.co.jp; > knabe@toyocom.co.jp; kanaide@toyocom.co.jp > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt > > > > > An example doesn't require ABNF. Please remove the ABNF. > > I agree. > > We think two ways of changes. > Which is good? > > 1) We would like to remove example and change > a Section 3.1 as follows. > > 3.1 Example of User authorization > > Onramp gateway MAY have a user authorization > function to confirm that they are the data > that suitable user transmitted. > > In the case of Onramp action, > there are a lot of methods to send > authentication information and it depends on > a provider's services. > So, an example is not described. > > 2) We would like to cut ABNF as follows. > > 3.1 Example of User authorization > > Onramp gateway MAY have a user authorization > function to confirm that they are the data > that suitable user transmitted. > > Example of user authorization by DTMF, GSTN > user might send user-ID, password data after > destination gstn-phone(Dual Tone Multi Frequency). > > example > > 8155551234*81467745523*98765# is detect by DTMF > Each data are extracted as follows, and > user authorization is done. > Destination facsimile number : 8155551234 > User ID : 81467745523 > Password : 98765 > "*" is separater, "#" is terminater. > > /mimura > From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Tue May 29 22:46:14 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id WAA16323 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04003 for ietf-fax-bks; Tue, 29 May 2001 19:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (mail.toyocom.co.jp [210.232.21.1]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03997 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 19:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iscan.toyocom.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA28085 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 11:14:12 +0900 Received: from smtp.toyocom.co.jp (smtp.toyocom.co.jp [10.1.11.24]) by iscan.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA28075; Wed, 30 May 2001 11:14:12 +0900 Received: from toyocom.co.jp ([172.16.72.36]) by smtp.toyocom.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA11224; Wed, 30 May 2001 11:20:04 +0900 Message-ID: <3B1458DB.4060301@toyocom.co.jp> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:20:11 +0900 From: Katsuhiko Mimura Organization: TOYOCOM Network Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; ja-JP; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: ja, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing CC: ietf-fax@imc.org, k1@toyocom.co.jp, zsatou@toyocom.co.jp, knabe@toyocom.co.jp, kanaide@toyocom.co.jp Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-fax-gateway-options-02.txt References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your good opinion. We would like to change the draft to (1). Dan Wing wrote: > I would prefer (1). If you really want to do (2), examples for each of the > types of authentication should be shown, or else it implies that the one > method is the most-preferred method. While our own gateways support it quite > well, it often isn't the most preferred method based on what our customers > have implemented to-date. > > -d From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Wed May 30 11:25:28 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA14817 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 11:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11154 for ietf-fax-bks; Wed, 30 May 2001 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elettra.trieste.it (SYNX02.elettra.trieste.it [140.105.2.2]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA11145 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 07:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:57:02 +0100 To: ietf-fax@imc.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Claudio Allocchio Subject: booking our meeting slot for London IETF Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Dear All, as we are about to book our slot for the meeting in London, I believe we should start finalising the items for our discussion. I would suggest we have a 2 hours meeting, being our current major discussion topic the gwateway issues, but if you think we this is too short, and we should ask for 2.5 hours, please let us knoe ASAP. As usual, the final agenda will NOT be fixed until the last days in July, thus please book your flights in order to be at the IETF also on Monday and Friday. Regards, Claudio Allocchio From owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Thu May 31 19:30:45 2001 Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id TAA10118 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 19:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00755 for ietf-fax-bks; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by above.proper.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00751 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com [171.69.24.15]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4VMsK910011 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DWINGW2K (dhcp-128-107-142-130.cisco.com [128.107.142.130]) by mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADE00389; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Wing" To: "IETF Internet Fax WG" Subject: offtopic: percentage of fax traffic over PSTN Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:54:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ietf-fax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm looking for some reliable information on percentage of group 3 fax traffic between IMTs (class 4 switches), specific to individual countries and between countries. Anyone have such? Please reply to me directly, I will summarize to the list if there is interest. I have poked around with google for awhile and didn't find much.. -d