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Hi Will,

Good notes. Having seen that I'm sure I've no problem with
how you propose to proceed.

Thanks to you all for taking this on,
Stephen.

Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0) wrote:
> In order to keep DTNRG and CCSDS SIS-DTN informed of what the DTN
> Network Management collaborators are planning, I have attached
> yesterday's meeting notes.  I considered making the mail list archive
> open, but do not want 100s of people calling into teleconferences.
> Thus, I will attempt to provide status as significant progress is made.
> 
> Stephen Farrell is subscribed to the list, so he can make sure I keep
> this group up-to-date.
> 
> Comments are welcome and encouraged.
> 
> 
> /will
> ===========================
> ===========================
> 
> 
> DTN Network Management - Collaborators 
> Meeting Notes for 
> Monday, Nov 24, 2008
> 1:00 - 2:00 EST
> 
> 
> Participants:
> Ohio University - Shawn Ostermann
> JPL - Scott Burleigh 
> Glenn Research Center - Joseph Ishac, Will Ivancic, Jim McKim
> APL - Unavailable today due to unforeseen circumstances
> BBN - four including Josh Bers
> 
> 
> Agenda:
> ==================
> *** Intro of participants ***
> -	What is each persons/organizations goals
> 
> Ohio University - Get is right.  We are at the early phases of DTN and
> want to get network management right from the start.  Learn from what
> has been done correctly before in SNMP and what has limitations.
> 
> JPL (Scott Burleigh) - Main concern is that the solution is NOT
> implementation specific.
> 
> BBN - It is very important to make monitoring easy so operators can
> understand how DTN integrates with other systems and how to integrate
> DTN into existing networks.
> 
> GRC - GRC is responsible for developing network management utilities for
> space-based DTNs.  However, we desire a solution that works for both
> disruption tolerant networks and network that have long propagation
> delays as well as disruption.
> 
> 
> *** Goal ***
> -	SNMP for DTN?
> 
> The consensus appears to be that a good first approach is to maintain
> the SNMP data-base descriptions.  Also, it appears that use of a two
> level approach may make sense where on runs SNMP locally and applies an
> application overlay for DTN that utilized the DTN Bundle Protocol as the
> transport mechanism.  This allows a locally attached manager to run SNMP
> while a remote DTN manager would run a DTN-SNMP overlay. This should
> also enable reuse of existing SNMP code. In addition, for DTN test
> networks that have an intermittent DTN test data flow channel and a
> directly connected control plane channel, SNMP could be used to monitor
> the tests via the control plane channel.
> 
> *** Strategy ***
>  - Do we include DTNRG group?
>  - Do we include CCSDS?
> 
> An email will be sent to both groups inviting participation.  However,
> we do not want the mail list to get to large.  Preferably the mail list
> will remain below 20 and up to perhaps 25.
> 
> 
> -	Is this generic or for Deep Space only?
> 
> Preferably NO.  
> 
> -	I think we want to keep the MIB structure
> 
> We would like to keep the MIB structure.  Eventually we may develop IETF
> (IRTF) standard MIBs for DTN with pointers to any implementation
> specific MIBs.  The desire is to keep implementation specific MIBs
> (similar to vendor specific MIBs) to a minimum.
> 
> *** Areas to be reported? ***
>  - I guess we should form a list
>  - Certainly Convergence Layer as well as DTN Bundle Stuff
>  - Timers are probably something you want to see.
>  - Security stuff?
>  - Current configurations
>  - Enable remote configurations?
>  - is DTN Network Management done via Bundle Protocol?
> 
> Josh Bers of BBN will send a current draft of a DTN-MIB. This MIB is
> designed primarily to tackle layer 1 in the 2 layer DTN NMS.
> 
> 
> *** Meetings/Teleconfences ***  
> 
> It was discussed and decided that teleconference should be scheduled for
> every two weeks and that Monday from 13:00 - 14:00 EDT (17:00 - 18:00
> UTC) is as good and any.  All present indicated this is a reasonably
> good time.  Will Ivancic will send the teleconference number to the
> dtn-network-management mail list.
> 
> 
> *** Notes and Comments: ***
> 
> In SNMP, the Collector often performs the time stamping of data.  For
> DTN, this should be done at the source.
> 
> Remote configuration is often performed via command line interface
> (CLI).  DTN-2 is configured via command line.  It is highly likely that
> this may be the method of choice for remote configuration using locally
> run scripts on a CLI file transmitted via bundles.
> 
> Bob Cole of APL, working network management for manets, suggests that
> this group should look at what is going on in the IETF netconf working
> group (http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/netconf-charter.html) to see if
> work in this area applies.  
> 
> NASA is establishing a DTN Engineering Network.  In addition, members of
> the IRTF DTNRG have agreed to interconnect networks in a DTNbone with
> the goal of having up to 6 location connected by March 2009.  One things
> GRC wishes to get out of the DEN is to run some strawman emulations so
> we determine what is valuable to look at particularly in order to
> understand failure modes.  All emulation links should include realistic
> delays, connection times, and bandwidths.
> 
> 
> ******************************
> William D. Ivancic
> Phone 216-433-3494
> Fax 216-433-8705
> Networking Lab 216-433-2620
> DTN Lab 216-433-2981
> Mobile 440-503-4892
> http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic 
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In order to keep DTNRG and CCSDS SIS-DTN informed of what the DTN
Network Management collaborators are planning, I have attached
yesterday's meeting notes.  I considered making the mail list archive
open, but do not want 100s of people calling into teleconferences.
Thus, I will attempt to provide status as significant progress is made.

Stephen Farrell is subscribed to the list, so he can make sure I keep
this group up-to-date.

Comments are welcome and encouraged.


/will
===========================
===========================


DTN Network Management - Collaborators 
Meeting Notes for 
Monday, Nov 24, 2008
1:00 - 2:00 EST


Participants:
Ohio University - Shawn Ostermann
JPL - Scott Burleigh 
Glenn Research Center - Joseph Ishac, Will Ivancic, Jim McKim
APL - Unavailable today due to unforeseen circumstances
BBN - four including Josh Bers


Agenda:
==================
*** Intro of participants ***
-	What is each persons/organizations goals

Ohio University - Get is right.  We are at the early phases of DTN and
want to get network management right from the start.  Learn from what
has been done correctly before in SNMP and what has limitations.

JPL (Scott Burleigh) - Main concern is that the solution is NOT
implementation specific.

BBN - It is very important to make monitoring easy so operators can
understand how DTN integrates with other systems and how to integrate
DTN into existing networks.

GRC - GRC is responsible for developing network management utilities for
space-based DTNs.  However, we desire a solution that works for both
disruption tolerant networks and network that have long propagation
delays as well as disruption.


*** Goal ***
-	SNMP for DTN?

The consensus appears to be that a good first approach is to maintain
the SNMP data-base descriptions.  Also, it appears that use of a two
level approach may make sense where on runs SNMP locally and applies an
application overlay for DTN that utilized the DTN Bundle Protocol as the
transport mechanism.  This allows a locally attached manager to run SNMP
while a remote DTN manager would run a DTN-SNMP overlay. This should
also enable reuse of existing SNMP code. In addition, for DTN test
networks that have an intermittent DTN test data flow channel and a
directly connected control plane channel, SNMP could be used to monitor
the tests via the control plane channel.

*** Strategy ***
 - Do we include DTNRG group?
 - Do we include CCSDS?

An email will be sent to both groups inviting participation.  However,
we do not want the mail list to get to large.  Preferably the mail list
will remain below 20 and up to perhaps 25.


-	Is this generic or for Deep Space only?

Preferably NO.  

-	I think we want to keep the MIB structure

We would like to keep the MIB structure.  Eventually we may develop IETF
(IRTF) standard MIBs for DTN with pointers to any implementation
specific MIBs.  The desire is to keep implementation specific MIBs
(similar to vendor specific MIBs) to a minimum.

*** Areas to be reported? ***
 - I guess we should form a list
 - Certainly Convergence Layer as well as DTN Bundle Stuff
 - Timers are probably something you want to see.
 - Security stuff?
 - Current configurations
 - Enable remote configurations?
 - is DTN Network Management done via Bundle Protocol?

Josh Bers of BBN will send a current draft of a DTN-MIB. This MIB is
designed primarily to tackle layer 1 in the 2 layer DTN NMS.


*** Meetings/Teleconfences ***  

It was discussed and decided that teleconference should be scheduled for
every two weeks and that Monday from 13:00 - 14:00 EDT (17:00 - 18:00
UTC) is as good and any.  All present indicated this is a reasonably
good time.  Will Ivancic will send the teleconference number to the
dtn-network-management mail list.


*** Notes and Comments: ***

In SNMP, the Collector often performs the time stamping of data.  For
DTN, this should be done at the source.

Remote configuration is often performed via command line interface
(CLI).  DTN-2 is configured via command line.  It is highly likely that
this may be the method of choice for remote configuration using locally
run scripts on a CLI file transmitted via bundles.

Bob Cole of APL, working network management for manets, suggests that
this group should look at what is going on in the IETF netconf working
group (http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/netconf-charter.html) to see if
work in this area applies.  

NASA is establishing a DTN Engineering Network.  In addition, members of
the IRTF DTNRG have agreed to interconnect networks in a DTNbone with
the goal of having up to 6 location connected by March 2009.  One things
GRC wishes to get out of the DEN is to run some strawman emulations so
we determine what is valuable to look at particularly in order to
understand failure modes.  All emulation links should include realistic
delays, connection times, and bandwidths.


******************************
William D. Ivancic
Phone 216-433-3494
Fax 216-433-8705
Networking Lab 216-433-2620
DTN Lab 216-433-2981
Mobile 440-503-4892
http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic 



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>[mailto:dtn-interest-bounces@maillists.intel-research.net] On 
>Behalf Of Airst, Malcolm J.
>Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:26 PM
>To: dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net
>Subject: [dtn-interest] TICTOC Timing Requirements
>
>Following up on my request this morning: Please send me any 
>DTN timing information and I'll be glad to send to the TICTOC 
>List and convey any comments. 
>


After reading the latest TICTOC requirements draft, I don't
think there should be any requirement on TICTOC for supporting
DTN time synchronization.  The TICTOC requirements are broken
down by the "application" driving them, and if you considered
synchronizing DTN bundle agents to be one of those applications,
then the requirements would be orders of magnitude easier than
for the other applications like cellular towers.  The cellular
backhaul requirements have things like a time accuracy on the
order of microseconds, and frequency stablity in a few dozen
ppb, both of which vastly exceed what bundle agents need.  The
only unique aspect of DTN that influences the capability to use
TICTOC is that unidirectional time-transfer should be possible
(not requiring real-time acknowledgements, or any feedback
channel at all).  It seems like this will be the case for some
of the already-identified TICTOC applications like Time-of-Day,
"legal time", and metrology, where a master clock signal is
distributed out to essentially slave nodes.  The TICTOC
requirements don't seem to exactly say that unidirectional
time-transfer needs to be supported, but as multicast is a
natural fit given a single source and dozens/hundreds of sinks,
it seems like it will develop to permit unidirectional use on
its own.

A DTN has 2 needs for timing signals:

1) A bundle agent can have start times or periodicity associated
   with some of its contacts with other bundle agents.  In order
   for a system to do things like turn radios on, point antennas,
   etc., it will need an accurate sense of time.  If these
   activities occur outside the bundle agent, some means of
   synchronizing the bundle agent's actions with the rest of the
   system is needed.  If the bundle agent runs within the same
   computer that performs these other actions, then the system
   clock itself is sufficient.  In the worst case, the bundle
   agent will likely still be part of an integrated unit with
   the rest of the system that controls antennas, amplifiers,
   etc. and can use some local time distribution means to keep
   in sync onboard a spacecraft or other deployment platform.

   However, the bundle agent on the other end of the contact may
   also need to have its communications equipment configured at
   the same time in order for the contact to start right away.
   Any skew in system times can cut into the usable contact time.
   But since, by definition, the bundle agents aren't in contact
   before the scheduled contact time, there's not much hope of
   something like TICTOC keeping them in sync because it can't
   create comm links where none exist :).  Once the links are
   up, time-transfer could be used to correct for any skew and
   help future contacts, but some damage may have already been
   done to the current contact.

   For this, the only requirement on using TICTOC would be
   that it allow for unidirectional time-transfer, not relying
   on acknowledgements.  How time-transfer signals are treated
   is a thornier operational problem for DTNs, as we cannot
   always assume a simple master-slave relationship where one
   side of a contact always delivers clock and the other always
   accepts it.  But this is mostly a policy issue in each
   particular case of DTN deployment.

2) When a bundle agent creates a bundle, it adds a "creation
   timestamp" to the bundle, as well as a "lifetime" after
   which the bundle is considered to be expired, and discarded.
   These fields are checked by intermediate and destination
   bundle agents.  Some potential issues that can come from
   clock skew involve:

   - "bundles from the future" where a sender's clock gets ahead
     of another bundle agent on the path's and so the creation
     timestamp appears to be in the future.  Some systems may
     choose to discard these as invalid.

   - "bundles thrown out too soon" where a sender's clock is
     too far behind another bundle agent on the path's relative
     to the expiration lifetime.  In this case, bundles can be
     discarded before the sender intended them to be.  This can
     affect applications that set a short lifetime such as
     dtnping, VoBP/VoDTN (Voice over Bundle Protocol / DTN), etc.

   The correct way to deal with this is by changing the semantics
   of the creation timestamp and lifetime fields in the bundle
   protocol (I believe Joe Ishac described this some time ago),
   rather than levy any requirement on TICTOC which would be
   difficult to define or achieve given the intermittently-
   connected, spatially-dispersed, and possibly mixed ownership
   and control of nodes in a "typical DTN".




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Hi Will,

I guess you're limiting this work to network mgmt for
space related deployments of DTN, right?

If so, a closed list with occasional reports to the
dtn-interest list sounds like a fine way to make speedy
progress.

Cheers,
Stephen.


Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0) wrote:
> Personnel from the John Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, NASA,
> Ohio University and BBN are beginning to work on network management for
> DTN.  I have set up a special mail list for this activity in order to
> keep the chatter down on the dtn-interest list.  
> 
> If people are interested in collaborating and working this problem,
> contact me via email and I will consider expending the list - but not to
> far.  We currently have about 13 individuals participating.  I do not
> want the list to grow to over  20 - 25.   
> 
> I will report to DTNRG and CCSDS SIS-DTN  occasionally on anything
> significant.  The mail archive will be private in order to limit
> distribution of meeting teleconference numbers.  The  subscription list
> will be publicly available.
> https://lists.nasa.gov/mailman/roster/dtn-network-management
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Will
> ******************************
> William D. Ivancic
> NASA Glenn Research Center
> 
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2008, Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0)
<William.D.Ivancic@nasa.gov> wrote:

> ... I will consider expending the list 

Gee, I'm not sure if I want to be expended :)

At least, not yet.

Cheers.....Peter




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Personnel from the John Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, NASA,
Ohio University and BBN are beginning to work on network management for
DTN.  I have set up a special mail list for this activity in order to
keep the chatter down on the dtn-interest list.  

If people are interested in collaborating and working this problem,
contact me via email and I will consider expending the list - but not to
far.  We currently have about 13 individuals participating.  I do not
want the list to grow to over  20 - 25.   

I will report to DTNRG and CCSDS SIS-DTN  occasionally on anything
significant.  The mail archive will be private in order to limit
distribution of meeting teleconference numbers.  The  subscription list
will be publicly available.
https://lists.nasa.gov/mailman/roster/dtn-network-management



Cheers,

Will
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NASA Glenn Research Center




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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:14:42 -0500
From: "P Ranjan" <priya@glue.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: [dtn-interest] DTN routing issues-help
To: "Peter TB Brett" <peter@peter-b.co.uk>
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Dear Peter:I am also working on biology inspired secure scalable routing fo=
r
robots. I am wondering if we can share our work sometime.
kind regards,
-priya


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Peter TB Brett <peter@peter-b.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:35:18 Fathima Rahaman wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am interestd in doing research in Delay Tolerant Network . I have
just
> > started collecting papers related to DTN. I found I can fit my
research
> in
> > routing issues. Is there any who can guide/help  me in my track.
> > with regds,
> > G.Fathima
>
> As it happens, I'm currently doing a research project on ad-hoc DTN
network
> formation and routing for mobile robot cooperation, with a view to
> transmitting routing packets over the RFC5050 bundling protocol to
> enumerate
> reachable endpoints.
>
> My approach was to start by looking at the Mobile Ad-Hoc Networking
(MANET)
> research group's work -- they have developed a number of easily-
> interchangeable routing protocols suitable for various applications.
>
> Note that there's a fairly complete list of DTN-related papers here:
>
>
>
http://www.dtnrg.org/wiki/Docs#head-182f5222a6cce62677fcc9feff26639222bc00f=
e
>
> Many of these deal with routing issues.
>
> I hope these pointers help.
>
>                                  Peter
>
> --
> Peter Brett
>
> Cambridge University Engineering Department
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Dear Peter:I am also working on biology inspired secure scalable routing fo=
r
robots. I am wondering if we can share our work sometime.
kind regards,
-priya


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Peter TB Brett &lt;peter@peter-b.co.uk&gt;
wrote:

&gt; On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:35:18 Fathima Rahaman wrote:
&gt; &gt; Hello,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I am interestd in doing research in Delay Tolerant Network . I ha=
ve
just
&gt; &gt; started collecting papers related to DTN. I found I can fit my
research
&gt; in
&gt; &gt; routing issues. Is there any who can guide/help  me in my track.
&gt; &gt; with regds,
&gt; &gt; G.Fathima
&gt;
&gt; As it happens, I'm currently doing a research project on ad-hoc DTN
network
&gt; formation and routing for mobile robot cooperation, with a view to
&gt; transmitting routing packets over the RFC5050 bundling protocol to
&gt; enumerate
&gt; reachable endpoints.
&gt;
&gt; My approach was to start by looking at the Mobile Ad-Hoc Networking
(MANET)
&gt; research group's work -- they have developed a number of easily-
&gt; interchangeable routing protocols suitable for various applications.
&gt;
&gt; Note that there's a fairly complete list of DTN-related papers here:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
http://www.dtnrg.org/wiki/Docs#head-182f5222a6cce62677fcc9feff26639222bc00f=
e
&gt;
&gt; Many of these deal with routing issues.
&gt;
&gt; I hope these pointers help.
&gt;
&gt;                                  Peter
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Peter Brett
&gt;
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Dear Peter:I am also working on biology inspired secure scalable routing for
robots. I am wondering if we can share our work sometime.
kind regards,
-priya


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Peter TB Brett <peter@peter-b.co.uk> wrote:

> On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:35:18 Fathima Rahaman wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am interestd in doing research in Delay Tolerant Network . I have just
> > started collecting papers related to DTN. I found I can fit my research
> in
> > routing issues. Is there any who can guide/help  me in my track.
> > with regds,
> > G.Fathima
>
> As it happens, I'm currently doing a research project on ad-hoc DTN network
> formation and routing for mobile robot cooperation, with a view to
> transmitting routing packets over the RFC5050 bundling protocol to
> enumerate
> reachable endpoints.
>
> My approach was to start by looking at the Mobile Ad-Hoc Networking (MANET)
> research group's work -- they have developed a number of easily-
> interchangeable routing protocols suitable for various applications.
>
> Note that there's a fairly complete list of DTN-related papers here:
>
>
> http://www.dtnrg.org/wiki/Docs#head-182f5222a6cce62677fcc9feff26639222bc00fe
>
> Many of these deal with routing issues.
>
> I hope these pointers help.
>
>                                  Peter
>
> --
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>
> Cambridge University Engineering Department
>
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Dear Peter:<div>I am also working on biology inspired secure scalable routing for robots. I am wondering if we can share our work sometime.</div><div>kind regards,</div><div>-priya</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Peter TB Brett <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:peter@peter-b.co.uk">peter@peter-b.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:35:18 Fathima Rahaman wrote:<br>
&gt; Hello,<br>
&gt; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; I am interestd in doing research in Delay Tolerant Network . I have&nbsp;just<br>
&gt; started collecting papers related to DTN. I found I can fit my research in<br>
&gt; routing issues. Is there any who can guide/help &nbsp;me in my track.<br>
&gt; with regds,<br>
&gt; G.Fathima<br>
<br>
</div>As it happens, I&#39;m currently doing a research project on ad-hoc DTN network<br>
formation and routing for mobile robot cooperation, with a view to<br>
transmitting routing packets over the RFC5050 bundling protocol to enumerate<br>
reachable endpoints.<br>
<br>
My approach was to start by looking at the Mobile Ad-Hoc Networking (MANET)<br>
research group&#39;s work -- they have developed a number of easily-<br>
interchangeable routing protocols suitable for various applications.<br>
<br>
Note that there&#39;s a fairly complete list of DTN-related papers here:<br>
<br>
 &nbsp;<a href="http://www.dtnrg.org/wiki/Docs#head-182f5222a6cce62677fcc9feff26639222bc00fe" target="_blank">http://www.dtnrg.org/wiki/Docs#head-182f5222a6cce62677fcc9feff26639222bc00fe</a><br>
<br>
Many of these deal with routing issues.<br>
<br>
I hope these pointers help.<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Peter<br>
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Dear Will;

Do you have a link for this ? I see no link or enclosures in this thread

Marshall
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On Nov 20, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0) wrote:

> Malcolm,
>
> Consider figure 18 page 32.  The space rover is not in direct radio
> contact with Earth.  No radiometric synchronization is possible.   
> So, we
> need a delay/disruption tolerant NTP.  I am sure there is similarities
> in military networks.  Probably more so.   The accurate source is most
> likely low latency, but disrupted.  For example in fig 18 pg 32.  The
> relay may have decent clock to be the source for DTN.  Thus, there may
> be long delay from Earth to relay, but short delay from Relay to  
> rover.
>
> Will
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> To: Stephen Farrell; dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net
>> Subject: Re: [dtn-interest] TICTOC Timing Requirements
>>
>> Stephen- You're exactly right. I forgot to add that we're
>> also looking for any frequency reference requirements such as
>> 1 pps (pulse per second), 1 MHz, etc.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Malcolm
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> To: dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net
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>> Subject: Re: [dtn-interest] TICTOC Timing Requirements
>>
>>
>>
>> Airst, Malcolm J. wrote:
>>> Following up on my request this morning: Please send me any DTN
>> timing
>>> information and I'll be glad to send to the TICTOC List and convey
>> any
>>> comments.
>>
>> Just as a bit of context for those not in the meeting, Malcolm is
>> looking for requirements that DTN deployments or protocols might
>> impose/propose on the type of new time synchronisation protocols
>> being developed by the IETF TICTOC working group. [1]
>>
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Malcolm,

Sorry, for got the link.

http://cwe.ccsds.org/sis/docs/SIS-DTN/Other%20Documents/SISG%20Report%20
v1.0.pdf

Consider figure 18 page 32.  The space rover is not in direct radio
contact with Earth.  No radiometric synchronization is possible.  So, we
need a delay/disruption tolerant NTP.  I am sure there is similarities
in military networks.  Probably more so.   The accurate source is most
likely low latency, but disrupted.  For example in fig 18 pg 32.  The
relay may have decent clock to be the source for DTN.  Thus, there may
be long delay from Earth to relay, but short delay from Relay to rover.

Will

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> Subject: Re: [dtn-interest] TICTOC Timing Requirements
> 
> Stephen- You're exactly right. I forgot to add that we're 
> also looking for any frequency reference requirements such as 
> 1 pps (pulse per second), 1 MHz, etc. 
> 
> Thanks!
> Malcolm
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:36 PM
> To: dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net
> Cc: Airst, Malcolm J.
> Subject: Re: [dtn-interest] TICTOC Timing Requirements
> 
> 
> 
> Airst, Malcolm J. wrote:
> > Following up on my request this morning: Please send me any DTN
> timing
> > information and I'll be glad to send to the TICTOC List and convey
> any
> > comments.
> 
> Just as a bit of context for those not in the meeting, Malcolm is
> looking for requirements that DTN deployments or protocols might
> impose/propose on the type of new time synchronisation protocols
> being developed by the IETF TICTOC working group. [1]
> 
> Or else, if I've gotten that wrong, he'll correct me:-)
> 
> Stephen.
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Malcolm,

Consider figure 18 page 32.  The space rover is not in direct radio
contact with Earth.  No radiometric synchronization is possible.  So, we
need a delay/disruption tolerant NTP.  I am sure there is similarities
in military networks.  Probably more so.   The accurate source is most
likely low latency, but disrupted.  For example in fig 18 pg 32.  The
relay may have decent clock to be the source for DTN.  Thus, there may
be long delay from Earth to relay, but short delay from Relay to rover.

Will

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> Stephen- You're exactly right. I forgot to add that we're 
> also looking for any frequency reference requirements such as 
> 1 pps (pulse per second), 1 MHz, etc. 
> 
> Thanks!
> Malcolm
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:36 PM
> To: dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net
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> 
> 
> 
> Airst, Malcolm J. wrote:
> > Following up on my request this morning: Please send me any DTN
> timing
> > information and I'll be glad to send to the TICTOC List and convey
> any
> > comments.
> 
> Just as a bit of context for those not in the meeting, Malcolm is
> looking for requirements that DTN deployments or protocols might
> impose/propose on the type of new time synchronisation protocols
> being developed by the IETF TICTOC working group. [1]
> 
> Or else, if I've gotten that wrong, he'll correct me:-)
> 
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Forgot the link, sigh;-)

[1] http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/tictoc-charter.html

Stephen Farrell wrote:
> 
> Airst, Malcolm J. wrote:
>> Following up on my request this morning: Please send me any DTN timing
>> information and I’ll be glad to send to the TICTOC List and convey any
>> comments.
> 
> Just as a bit of context for those not in the meeting, Malcolm is
> looking for requirements that DTN deployments or protocols might
> impose/propose on the type of new time synchronisation protocols
> being developed by the IETF TICTOC working group. [1]
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Stephen- You're exactly right. I forgot to add that we're also looking
for any frequency reference requirements such as 1 pps (pulse per
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Thanks!
Malcolm

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> comments.

Just as a bit of context for those not in the meeting, Malcolm is
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Or else, if I've gotten that wrong, he'll correct me:-)

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> Following up on my request this morning: Please send me any DTN timing
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> comments.

Just as a bit of context for those not in the meeting, Malcolm is
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I'm not sure who has been working press relations recently but, whoever
it is, GREAT JOB !!



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Adrian - this video rocks!

:D

Hooke, Adrian J wrote:
>> Seems DTN has got itself some ars technica recognition. Shame about the
>> accuracy of the content though.
>>     
>
> Darragh: CNET has done it nicely:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10102081-2.html?tag=mncol
>
> Their Daily Debrief video is quite entertaining.
>
> Adrian J. Hooke
> Manager: Space Networking Architecture, Technology and Standards
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I can see a series of discussions on the list over the next few  
weeks ...

Two quick notes on principle:

(1) Yes, I think one draft can handle multiple DTN protocols; many of  
the points addressed are aspects of UDP, not
the protocol we are transporting over it.

(2) I think we should be careful here to specify a convergence layer  
only.  That means we certainly need to
make sure that we do not prevent use of things like multicast or  
unidirectional links.  On the other hand, if we
need network information (like an indication of unidirectionality),  
IMHO that should be specified in DTN first as a
part of either the network management infrastructure, or as a  
"requirement for lower protocol layers" as was
done in the LTP spec.

On Nov 20, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Joerg Ott wrote:

> Thanks, Hans, for getting us started on this.
>
> Taking a closer look at 5405 is indeed a very good idea.
>
> Another question is whether LTP should be discussed in this
> draft.  Maybe this is just a separate draft?
>
> In addition to unicast vs. multicast, we should probably
> mention what to do with unidirectional links.  In those
> case (which may be very legitimate) one never gets feedback
> from the peer(s).  It may deserve special consideration
> whether the channel is known to be unidirectional or
> whether there is just no response coming back.
>
> Just some initial thoughts,
> Joerg
>
> Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ] wrote:
>> It's a good start.  There are a few issues we can probably
>> correct quickly.
>> 1) The introduction should say "Internet Protocol networks"
>>   rather than "Internet Protocol links".
>> 2) Section 2.1, first sentence, about BP and LTP assuming
>>   an erasure channel may be inaccurate.  RFC 5050 does not
>>   mention an erasure channel assumption.
>> 3) Issues with fragmentation and checksums should be
>>   referencing RFC 5405 "Unicast UDP Usage Guidelines ..."
>>   which TSVWG has recently completed.  We should have an
>>   appendix that considers the UDP CLA's conformance to
>>   each guideline from section 5, table 1 of that document.
>>   Particularly, the keep-alive timer in 5405 is relevant
>>   to this doc, where no timer value has been suggested.
>>   Also, the differentiation between bulk and non-bulk
>>   transfers in 5405 is relevant here.  Transfers of
>>   bundles over a certain size might be considered bulk,
>>   while signaling bundles used for routing information
>>   exchange, admin records, etc. should follow the
>>   guidelines for non-bulk transfers IF no overlying
>>   CC mechanism (eg TFRC) is applied to the CLA attachment
>>   between BAs.
>>  4) Requiring UDP checksums breaks the intention that Kevin
>>   and others have described of allowing delivery of errored
>>   data to applications that would desire it rather than
>>   nothing.  Perhaps UDP-Lite should be recommended for
>>   selectively enabling when the BA can somehow detect this
>>   application preference (which we have no means for
>>   conveying currently, however).
>> 5) UDP can be sent to unicast or multicast addresses.  Do
>>   different behaviors for the CLA apply here?  I believe
>>   so.
>> 6) Section 3 goes far beyond the scope of this document by
>>   saying that the TCP CLA or LTP SHOULD be used.  This call
>>   does not belong in the document.  Simply discourage raw
>>   UDP-encapsulated bundles, and leave it at that.  Actually,
>>   the "SHOULD use a full-featured transport" guileline in
>>   5405 can simply be cited here as the reasoning.
>> 7) Transmission of LTP over UDP is only useful for the
>>   reasons of userland implementation, and perhaps the
>>   UDP checksum.  It could actually be run over IP rather
>>   than UDP, and section 4 should discuss why it isn't, or
>>   what the issues are.
>> 8) Nested parenthesis in last paragraph of 2.3 are awkward.
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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I can see a series of =
discussions on the list over the next few weeks =
...<div><br></div><div>Two quick notes on =
principle:</div><div><br></div><div>(1) Yes, I think one draft can =
handle multiple DTN protocols; many of the points addressed are aspects =
of UDP, not</div><div>the protocol we are transporting over =
it.</div><div><br></div><div>(2) I think we should be careful here to =
specify a convergence layer only. &nbsp;That means we certainly need =
to&nbsp;</div><div>make sure that we do not prevent use of things like =
multicast or unidirectional links. &nbsp;On the other hand, if =
we</div><div>need network information (like an indication of =
unidirectionality), IMHO that should be specified in DTN first as =
a&nbsp;</div><div>part of either the network management infrastructure, =
or as a "requirement for lower protocol layers" as was</div><div>done in =
the LTP spec.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Nov 20, 2008, at =
8:52 AM, Joerg Ott wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Thanks,=
 Hans, for getting us started on this.<br><br>Taking a closer look at =
5405 is indeed a very good idea.<br><br>Another question is whether LTP =
should be discussed in this<br>draft. &nbsp;Maybe this is just a =
separate draft?<br><br>In addition to unicast vs. multicast, we should =
probably<br>mention what to do with unidirectional links. &nbsp;In =
those<br>case (which may be very legitimate) one never gets =
feedback<br>from the peer(s). &nbsp;It may deserve special =
consideration<br>whether the channel is known to be unidirectional =
or<br>whether there is just no response coming back.<br><br>Just some =
initial thoughts,<br>Joerg<br><br>Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ] =
wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">It's a good start. &nbsp;There are a =
few issues we can probably<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">correct quickly.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">1) The introduction should say "Internet Protocol =
networks"<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;rather =
than "Internet Protocol links".<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">2) Section 2.1, first sentence, about BP and LTP =
assuming<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;an =
erasure channel may be inaccurate. &nbsp;RFC 5050 does =
not<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;mention an =
erasure channel assumption.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">3) =
Issues with fragmentation and checksums should =
be<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;referencing =
RFC 5405 "Unicast UDP Usage Guidelines ..."<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;which TSVWG has recently completed. &nbsp;We =
should have an<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;appendix that considers the UDP CLA's conformance =
to<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;each guideline =
from section 5, table 1 of that document.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;Particularly, the keep-alive timer in 5405 is =
relevant<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;to this =
doc, where no timer value has been =
suggested.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;Also, =
the differentiation between bulk and =
non-bulk<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;transfers in 5405 is relevant here. &nbsp;Transfers =
of<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;bundles over a =
certain size might be considered bulk,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;while signaling bundles used for routing =
information<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;exchange, admin records, etc. should follow =
the<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;guidelines =
for non-bulk transfers IF no overlying<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;CC mechanism (eg TFRC) is applied to the CLA =
attachment<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;between BAs.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;4) Requiring UDP checksums breaks the intention that =
Kevin<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;and others =
have described of allowing delivery of =
errored<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;data to =
applications that would desire it rather =
than<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;nothing. =
&nbsp;Perhaps UDP-Lite should be recommended =
for<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;selectively =
enabling when the BA can somehow detect this<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;application preference (which we have no =
means for<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;conveying currently, however).<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">5) UDP can be sent to unicast or multicast addresses. =
&nbsp;Do<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;different behaviors for the CLA apply here? &nbsp;I =
believe<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;so.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">6) Section 3 =
goes far beyond the scope of this document =
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the TCP CLA or LTP SHOULD be used. &nbsp;This =
call<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;does not =
belong in the document. &nbsp;Simply discourage =
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&nbsp;&nbsp;the "SHOULD use a full-featured transport" guileline =
in<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;5405 can =
simply be cited here as the reasoning.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
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the<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;reasons of =
userland implementation, and perhaps the<br></blockquote><blockquote =
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over IP rather<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;than UDP, and section 4 should discuss why it isn't, =
or<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;what the =
issues are.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">8) Nested =
parenthesis in last paragraph of 2.3 are =
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Thanks, Hans, for getting us started on this.

Taking a closer look at 5405 is indeed a very good idea.

Another question is whether LTP should be discussed in this
draft.  Maybe this is just a separate draft?

In addition to unicast vs. multicast, we should probably
mention what to do with unidirectional links.  In those
case (which may be very legitimate) one never gets feedback
from the peer(s).  It may deserve special consideration
whether the channel is known to be unidirectional or
whether there is just no response coming back.

Just some initial thoughts,
Joerg

Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ] wrote:
> It's a good start.  There are a few issues we can probably
> correct quickly.
> 
> 1) The introduction should say "Internet Protocol networks"
>    rather than "Internet Protocol links".
> 
> 2) Section 2.1, first sentence, about BP and LTP assuming
>    an erasure channel may be inaccurate.  RFC 5050 does not
>    mention an erasure channel assumption.
> 
> 3) Issues with fragmentation and checksums should be
>    referencing RFC 5405 "Unicast UDP Usage Guidelines ..."
>    which TSVWG has recently completed.  We should have an
>    appendix that considers the UDP CLA's conformance to
>    each guideline from section 5, table 1 of that document.
>    Particularly, the keep-alive timer in 5405 is relevant
>    to this doc, where no timer value has been suggested.
>    Also, the differentiation between bulk and non-bulk
>    transfers in 5405 is relevant here.  Transfers of
>    bundles over a certain size might be considered bulk,
>    while signaling bundles used for routing information
>    exchange, admin records, etc. should follow the
>    guidelines for non-bulk transfers IF no overlying
>    CC mechanism (eg TFRC) is applied to the CLA attachment
>    between BAs.
>   
> 4) Requiring UDP checksums breaks the intention that Kevin
>    and others have described of allowing delivery of errored
>    data to applications that would desire it rather than
>    nothing.  Perhaps UDP-Lite should be recommended for
>    selectively enabling when the BA can somehow detect this
>    application preference (which we have no means for
>    conveying currently, however).
> 
> 5) UDP can be sent to unicast or multicast addresses.  Do
>    different behaviors for the CLA apply here?  I believe
>    so.
> 
> 6) Section 3 goes far beyond the scope of this document by
>    saying that the TCP CLA or LTP SHOULD be used.  This call
>    does not belong in the document.  Simply discourage raw
>    UDP-encapsulated bundles, and leave it at that.  Actually,
>    the "SHOULD use a full-featured transport" guileline in
>    5405 can simply be cited here as the reasoning.
> 
> 7) Transmission of LTP over UDP is only useful for the
>    reasons of userland implementation, and perhaps the
>    UDP checksum.  It could actually be run over IP rather
>    than UDP, and section 4 should discuss why it isn't, or
>    what the issues are.
> 
> 8) Nested parenthesis in last paragraph of 2.3 are awkward.
> 
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> Seems DTN has got itself some ars technica recognition. Shame about the
> accuracy of the content though.

Darragh: CNET has done it nicely:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10102081-2.html?tag=mncol

Their Daily Debrief video is quite entertaining.

Adrian J. Hooke
Manager: Space Networking Architecture, Technology and Standards
Space Communications and Navigation Office
Space Operations Mission Directorate
NASA Headquarters
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Hey all,

Seems DTN has got itself some ars technica recognition. Shame about the 
accuracy of the content though.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081119-epoxi-spacecraft-tests-modified-tcpip-in-outer-space.html

D.


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It's a good start.  There are a few issues we can probably
correct quickly.

1) The introduction should say "Internet Protocol networks"
   rather than "Internet Protocol links".

2) Section 2.1, first sentence, about BP and LTP assuming
   an erasure channel may be inaccurate.  RFC 5050 does not
   mention an erasure channel assumption.

3) Issues with fragmentation and checksums should be
   referencing RFC 5405 "Unicast UDP Usage Guidelines ..."
   which TSVWG has recently completed.  We should have an
   appendix that considers the UDP CLA's conformance to
   each guideline from section 5, table 1 of that document.
   Particularly, the keep-alive timer in 5405 is relevant
   to this doc, where no timer value has been suggested.
   Also, the differentiation between bulk and non-bulk
   transfers in 5405 is relevant here.  Transfers of
   bundles over a certain size might be considered bulk,
   while signaling bundles used for routing information
   exchange, admin records, etc. should follow the
   guidelines for non-bulk transfers IF no overlying
   CC mechanism (eg TFRC) is applied to the CLA attachment
   between BAs.
  
4) Requiring UDP checksums breaks the intention that Kevin
   and others have described of allowing delivery of errored
   data to applications that would desire it rather than
   nothing.  Perhaps UDP-Lite should be recommended for
   selectively enabling when the BA can somehow detect this
   application preference (which we have no means for
   conveying currently, however).

5) UDP can be sent to unicast or multicast addresses.  Do
   different behaviors for the CLA apply here?  I believe
   so.

6) Section 3 goes far beyond the scope of this document by
   saying that the TCP CLA or LTP SHOULD be used.  This call
   does not belong in the document.  Simply discourage raw
   UDP-encapsulated bundles, and leave it at that.  Actually,
   the "SHOULD use a full-featured transport" guileline in
   5405 can simply be cited here as the reasoning.

7) Transmission of LTP over UDP is only useful for the
   reasons of userland implementation, and perhaps the
   UDP checksum.  It could actually be run over IP rather
   than UDP, and section 4 should discuss why it isn't, or
   what the issues are.

8) Nested parenthesis in last paragraph of 2.3 are awkward.



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Better late than never.....

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> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
> Date: November 19, 2008 4:30:01 PM EST
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Subject: I-D Action:draft-irtf-dtnrg-udp-clayer-00.txt
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts  
> directories.
>
> 	Title           : UDP Convergence Layers for the DTN Bundle and LTP  
> Protocols
> 	Author(s)       : H. Kruse, S. Ostermann
> 	Filename        : draft-irtf-dtnrg-udp-clayer-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 8
> 	Date            : 2008-11-19
>
> This document specifies the use of the User Datagram Protocol (UDP)
> as a method for transporting DTN protocol data over the Internet.
> The specification covers both the use of UDP as a convergence layer
> for the Bundle Protocol as well as the use of UDP to carry LTP
> segments.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-dtnrg-udp-clayer-00.txt
>
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Interplanetary Internet passes test, Alan Boyle, Cosmic Log, MSNBC, 19 =
November 2008.

That article has quite a thoughtful detailed overview of the history of =
development providing context. Some pullquotes:
'Last summer, the UK-DMC satellite used the protocol to send sensor data =
down from Earth orbit to a British ground station and onward to NASA's =
Glenn Research Center in Ohio. That set the stage for October's =
monthlong deep-space test, involving NASA's Epoxi spacecraft.'
[..]
'"There's quite a community now, the happy band of delay-tolerant =
networkers," Hooke told me.'

L.

DTN work: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/dtn/

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http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/nov/HQ_08-298_Deep_space_internet.ht=
ml

The offical JPL press release at=20
http://jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=3D2008-216

is subtly different in content: also quotes Scott Burleigh, describes =
their
ground network.

L.

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RELEASE: 08-298

NASA SUCCESSFULLY TESTS FIRST DEEP SPACE INTERNET

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA has successfully tested the first deep space
communications network modeled on the Internet.
Working as part of a NASA-wide team, engineers from NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., used software called
Disruption-Tolerant Networking, or DTN, to transmit dozens of space
images to and from a NASA science spacecraft located about 20 million
miles from Earth.=20

"This is the first step in creating a totally new space communications
capability, an interplanetary Internet," said Adrian Hooke, team lead
and manager of space-networking architecture, technology and standards
at NASA Headquarters in Washington.

NASA and Vint Cerf, a vice president at Google Inc., in Mountain View,
Calif., partnered 10 years ago to develop this software protocol. The
DTN sends information using a method that differs from the normal
Internet's Transmission-Control Protocol/Internet Protocol, or TCP/IP,
communication suite, which Cerf co-designed.

The Interplanetary Internet must be robust to withstand delays,
disruptions and disconnections in space. Glitches can happen when a
spacecraft moves behind a planet, or when solar storms and long
communication delays occur. The delay in sending or receiving data from
Mars takes between three-and-a-half to 20 minutes at the speed of light.


Unlike TCP/IP on Earth, the DTN does not assume a continuous end-to-end
connection. In its design, if a destination path cannot be found, the
data packets are not discarded. Instead, each network node keeps the
information as long as necessary until it can communicate safely with
another node. This store-and-forward method, similar to basketball
players safely passing the ball to the player nearest the basket means
information does not get lost when no immediate path to the destination
exists. Eventually, the information is delivered to the end user.=20

"In space today, an operations team must manually schedule each link and
generate all the commands to specify which data to send, when to send
it, and where to send it," said Leigh Torgerson, manager of the DTN
Experiment Operations Center at JPL. "With standardized DTN, this can
all be done automatically."

Engineers began a month-long series of DTN demonstrations in October.
Data were transmitted using NASA's Deep Space Network in demonstrations
occurring twice a week. Engineers use NASA's Epoxi spacecraft as a Mars
data-relay orbiter. Epoxi is on a mission to encounter Comet Hartley 2
in two years. There are 10 nodes on this early interplanetary network.
One is the Epoxi spacecraft itself and the other nine, which are on the
ground at JPL, simulate Mars landers, orbiters and ground
mission-operations centers.

This month-long experiment is the first in a series of planned
demonstrations to qualify the technology for use on a variety of
upcoming space missions. In the next round of testing, a NASA-wide
demonstration using new DTN software loaded on board the International
Space Station is scheduled to begin next summer.

In the next few years, the Interplanetary Internet could enable many new
types of space missions. Complex missions involving multiple landed,
mobile and orbiting spacecraft will be far easier to support through the
use of the Interplanetary Internet. It also could ensure reliable
communications for astronauts on the surface of the moon.

The Deep Impact Networking Experiment is sponsored by the Space
Communications and Navigation Office in NASA's Space Operations Mission
Directorate in Washington. NASA's Science Mission Directorate and
Discovery Program in Washington provided experimental access to the
Epoxi spacecraft. The Epoxi mission team provided critical support
throughout development and operations.

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Interplanetary Internet passes test, Alan Boyle, Cosmic Log, MSNBC, 19 =
November 2008.<BR>
<BR>
That article has quite a thoughtful detailed overview of the history of =
development providing context. Some pullquotes:<BR>
'Last summer, the UK-DMC satellite used the protocol to send sensor data =
down from Earth orbit to a British ground station and onward to NASA's =
Glenn Research Center in Ohio. That set the stage for October's =
monthlong deep-space test, involving NASA's Epoxi spacecraft.'<BR>
[..]<BR>
'&quot;There's quite a community now, the happy band of delay-tolerant =
networkers,&quot; Hooke told me.'<BR>
<BR>
L.<BR>
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DTN work: <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/dtn/">http://www.ee.su=
rrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/dtn/</A><BR>
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HREF=3D"http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/">http://www.ee.surrey=
.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/</A>&gt;&lt;L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk&gt;<BR>
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Sent: Tue 2008-11-18 22:33<BR>
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That's the official NASA press release at:<BR>
<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/nov/HQ_08-298_Deep_space_int=
ernet.html">http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/nov/HQ_08-298_Deep_space=
_internet.html</A><BR>
<BR>
The offical JPL press release at<BR>
<A =
HREF=3D"http://jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=3D2008-216">http://jpl.=
nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=3D2008-216</A><BR>
<BR>
is subtly different in content: also quotes Scott Burleigh, describes =
their<BR>
ground network.<BR>
<BR>
L.<BR>
<BR>
&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/">http://www.ee.surrey=
.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/</A>&gt;&lt;L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk&gt;<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0)<BR>
Sent: Tue 2008-11-18 21:17<BR>
To: dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org<BR>
Cc: falk@bbn.com<BR>
Subject: [dtn-interest] JPL Deep Impact - Success<BR>
<BR>
RELEASE: 08-298<BR>
<BR>
NASA SUCCESSFULLY TESTS FIRST DEEP SPACE INTERNET<BR>
<BR>
PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA has successfully tested the first deep =
space<BR>
communications network modeled on the Internet.<BR>
Working as part of a NASA-wide team, engineers from NASA's Jet<BR>
Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., used software called<BR>
Disruption-Tolerant Networking, or DTN, to transmit dozens of space<BR>
images to and from a NASA science spacecraft located about 20 =
million<BR>
miles from Earth.<BR>
<BR>
&quot;This is the first step in creating a totally new space =
communications<BR>
capability, an interplanetary Internet,&quot; said Adrian Hooke, team =
lead<BR>
and manager of space-networking architecture, technology and =
standards<BR>
at NASA Headquarters in Washington.<BR>
<BR>
NASA and Vint Cerf, a vice president at Google Inc., in Mountain =
View,<BR>
Calif., partnered 10 years ago to develop this software protocol. =
The<BR>
DTN sends information using a method that differs from the normal<BR>
Internet's Transmission-Control Protocol/Internet Protocol, or =
TCP/IP,<BR>
communication suite, which Cerf co-designed.<BR>
<BR>
The Interplanetary Internet must be robust to withstand delays,<BR>
disruptions and disconnections in space. Glitches can happen when a<BR>
spacecraft moves behind a planet, or when solar storms and long<BR>
communication delays occur. The delay in sending or receiving data =
from<BR>
Mars takes between three-and-a-half to 20 minutes at the speed of =
light.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Unlike TCP/IP on Earth, the DTN does not assume a continuous =
end-to-end<BR>
connection. In its design, if a destination path cannot be found, =
the<BR>
data packets are not discarded. Instead, each network node keeps the<BR>
information as long as necessary until it can communicate safely =
with<BR>
another node. This store-and-forward method, similar to basketball<BR>
players safely passing the ball to the player nearest the basket =
means<BR>
information does not get lost when no immediate path to the =
destination<BR>
exists. Eventually, the information is delivered to the end user.<BR>
<BR>
&quot;In space today, an operations team must manually schedule each =
link and<BR>
generate all the commands to specify which data to send, when to =
send<BR>
it, and where to send it,&quot; said Leigh Torgerson, manager of the =
DTN<BR>
Experiment Operations Center at JPL. &quot;With standardized DTN, this =
can<BR>
all be done automatically.&quot;<BR>
<BR>
Engineers began a month-long series of DTN demonstrations in =
October.<BR>
Data were transmitted using NASA's Deep Space Network in =
demonstrations<BR>
occurring twice a week. Engineers use NASA's Epoxi spacecraft as a =
Mars<BR>
data-relay orbiter. Epoxi is on a mission to encounter Comet Hartley =
2<BR>
in two years. There are 10 nodes on this early interplanetary =
network.<BR>
One is the Epoxi spacecraft itself and the other nine, which are on =
the<BR>
ground at JPL, simulate Mars landers, orbiters and ground<BR>
mission-operations centers.<BR>
<BR>
This month-long experiment is the first in a series of planned<BR>
demonstrations to qualify the technology for use on a variety of<BR>
upcoming space missions. In the next round of testing, a NASA-wide<BR>
demonstration using new DTN software loaded on board the =
International<BR>
Space Station is scheduled to begin next summer.<BR>
<BR>
In the next few years, the Interplanetary Internet could enable many =
new<BR>
types of space missions. Complex missions involving multiple landed,<BR>
mobile and orbiting spacecraft will be far easier to support through =
the<BR>
use of the Interplanetary Internet. It also could ensure reliable<BR>
communications for astronauts on the surface of the moon.<BR>
<BR>
The Deep Impact Networking Experiment is sponsored by the Space<BR>
Communications and Navigation Office in NASA's Space Operations =
Mission<BR>
Directorate in Washington. NASA's Science Mission Directorate and<BR>
Discovery Program in Washington provided experimental access to the<BR>
Epoxi spacecraft. The Epoxi mission team provided critical support<BR>
throughout development and operations.<BR>
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On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:35:18 Fathima Rahaman wrote:
> Hello,
> =C2=A0
> I am interestd in doing research in Delay Tolerant Network . I have=C2=A0=
just
> started collecting papers related to DTN. I found I can fit my research in
> routing issues. Is there any who can guide/help =C2=A0me in my track.=20
> with regds,
> G.Fathima

As it happens, I'm currently doing a research project on ad-hoc DTN network=
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formation and routing for mobile robot cooperation, with a view to=20
transmitting routing packets over the RFC5050 bundling protocol to enumerat=
e=20
reachable endpoints.

My approach was to start by looking at the Mobile Ad-Hoc Networking (MANET)=
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research group's work -- they have developed a number of easily-=20
interchangeable routing protocols suitable for various applications.

Note that there's a fairly complete list of DTN-related papers here:

  http://www.dtnrg.org/wiki/Docs#head-182f5222a6cce62677fcc9feff26639222bc0=
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Many of these deal with routing issues.

I hope these pointers help.

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That's the official NASA press release at:
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ml

The offical JPL press release at=20
http://jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=3D2008-216

is subtly different in content: also quotes Scott Burleigh, describes =
their
ground network.

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RELEASE: 08-298

NASA SUCCESSFULLY TESTS FIRST DEEP SPACE INTERNET

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA has successfully tested the first deep space
communications network modeled on the Internet.
Working as part of a NASA-wide team, engineers from NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., used software called
Disruption-Tolerant Networking, or DTN, to transmit dozens of space
images to and from a NASA science spacecraft located about 20 million
miles from Earth.=20

"This is the first step in creating a totally new space communications
capability, an interplanetary Internet," said Adrian Hooke, team lead
and manager of space-networking architecture, technology and standards
at NASA Headquarters in Washington.

NASA and Vint Cerf, a vice president at Google Inc., in Mountain View,
Calif., partnered 10 years ago to develop this software protocol. The
DTN sends information using a method that differs from the normal
Internet's Transmission-Control Protocol/Internet Protocol, or TCP/IP,
communication suite, which Cerf co-designed.

The Interplanetary Internet must be robust to withstand delays,
disruptions and disconnections in space. Glitches can happen when a
spacecraft moves behind a planet, or when solar storms and long
communication delays occur. The delay in sending or receiving data from
Mars takes between three-and-a-half to 20 minutes at the speed of light.


Unlike TCP/IP on Earth, the DTN does not assume a continuous end-to-end
connection. In its design, if a destination path cannot be found, the
data packets are not discarded. Instead, each network node keeps the
information as long as necessary until it can communicate safely with
another node. This store-and-forward method, similar to basketball
players safely passing the ball to the player nearest the basket means
information does not get lost when no immediate path to the destination
exists. Eventually, the information is delivered to the end user.=20

"In space today, an operations team must manually schedule each link and
generate all the commands to specify which data to send, when to send
it, and where to send it," said Leigh Torgerson, manager of the DTN
Experiment Operations Center at JPL. "With standardized DTN, this can
all be done automatically."

Engineers began a month-long series of DTN demonstrations in October.
Data were transmitted using NASA's Deep Space Network in demonstrations
occurring twice a week. Engineers use NASA's Epoxi spacecraft as a Mars
data-relay orbiter. Epoxi is on a mission to encounter Comet Hartley 2
in two years. There are 10 nodes on this early interplanetary network.
One is the Epoxi spacecraft itself and the other nine, which are on the
ground at JPL, simulate Mars landers, orbiters and ground
mission-operations centers.

This month-long experiment is the first in a series of planned
demonstrations to qualify the technology for use on a variety of
upcoming space missions. In the next round of testing, a NASA-wide
demonstration using new DTN software loaded on board the International
Space Station is scheduled to begin next summer.

In the next few years, the Interplanetary Internet could enable many new
types of space missions. Complex missions involving multiple landed,
mobile and orbiting spacecraft will be far easier to support through the
use of the Interplanetary Internet. It also could ensure reliable
communications for astronauts on the surface of the moon.

The Deep Impact Networking Experiment is sponsored by the Space
Communications and Navigation Office in NASA's Space Operations Mission
Directorate in Washington. NASA's Science Mission Directorate and
Discovery Program in Washington provided experimental access to the
Epoxi spacecraft. The Epoxi mission team provided critical support
throughout development and operations.

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>That's the official NASA press release at:<BR>
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ernet.html">http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/nov/HQ_08-298_Deep_space=
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<BR>
The offical JPL press release at<BR>
<A =
HREF=3D"http://jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=3D2008-216">http://jpl.=
nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=3D2008-216</A><BR>
<BR>
is subtly different in content: also quotes Scott Burleigh, describes =
their<BR>
ground network.<BR>
<BR>
L.<BR>
<BR>
&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/">http://www.ee.surrey=
.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/</A>&gt;&lt;L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk&gt;<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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From: dtn-interest-bounces@maillists.intel-research.net on behalf of =
Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0)<BR>
Sent: Tue 2008-11-18 21:17<BR>
To: dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org<BR>
Cc: falk@bbn.com<BR>
Subject: [dtn-interest] JPL Deep Impact - Success<BR>
<BR>
RELEASE: 08-298<BR>
<BR>
NASA SUCCESSFULLY TESTS FIRST DEEP SPACE INTERNET<BR>
<BR>
PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA has successfully tested the first deep =
space<BR>
communications network modeled on the Internet.<BR>
Working as part of a NASA-wide team, engineers from NASA's Jet<BR>
Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., used software called<BR>
Disruption-Tolerant Networking, or DTN, to transmit dozens of space<BR>
images to and from a NASA science spacecraft located about 20 =
million<BR>
miles from Earth.<BR>
<BR>
&quot;This is the first step in creating a totally new space =
communications<BR>
capability, an interplanetary Internet,&quot; said Adrian Hooke, team =
lead<BR>
and manager of space-networking architecture, technology and =
standards<BR>
at NASA Headquarters in Washington.<BR>
<BR>
NASA and Vint Cerf, a vice president at Google Inc., in Mountain =
View,<BR>
Calif., partnered 10 years ago to develop this software protocol. =
The<BR>
DTN sends information using a method that differs from the normal<BR>
Internet's Transmission-Control Protocol/Internet Protocol, or =
TCP/IP,<BR>
communication suite, which Cerf co-designed.<BR>
<BR>
The Interplanetary Internet must be robust to withstand delays,<BR>
disruptions and disconnections in space. Glitches can happen when a<BR>
spacecraft moves behind a planet, or when solar storms and long<BR>
communication delays occur. The delay in sending or receiving data =
from<BR>
Mars takes between three-and-a-half to 20 minutes at the speed of =
light.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Unlike TCP/IP on Earth, the DTN does not assume a continuous =
end-to-end<BR>
connection. In its design, if a destination path cannot be found, =
the<BR>
data packets are not discarded. Instead, each network node keeps the<BR>
information as long as necessary until it can communicate safely =
with<BR>
another node. This store-and-forward method, similar to basketball<BR>
players safely passing the ball to the player nearest the basket =
means<BR>
information does not get lost when no immediate path to the =
destination<BR>
exists. Eventually, the information is delivered to the end user.<BR>
<BR>
&quot;In space today, an operations team must manually schedule each =
link and<BR>
generate all the commands to specify which data to send, when to =
send<BR>
it, and where to send it,&quot; said Leigh Torgerson, manager of the =
DTN<BR>
Experiment Operations Center at JPL. &quot;With standardized DTN, this =
can<BR>
all be done automatically.&quot;<BR>
<BR>
Engineers began a month-long series of DTN demonstrations in =
October.<BR>
Data were transmitted using NASA's Deep Space Network in =
demonstrations<BR>
occurring twice a week. Engineers use NASA's Epoxi spacecraft as a =
Mars<BR>
data-relay orbiter. Epoxi is on a mission to encounter Comet Hartley =
2<BR>
in two years. There are 10 nodes on this early interplanetary =
network.<BR>
One is the Epoxi spacecraft itself and the other nine, which are on =
the<BR>
ground at JPL, simulate Mars landers, orbiters and ground<BR>
mission-operations centers.<BR>
<BR>
This month-long experiment is the first in a series of planned<BR>
demonstrations to qualify the technology for use on a variety of<BR>
upcoming space missions. In the next round of testing, a NASA-wide<BR>
demonstration using new DTN software loaded on board the =
International<BR>
Space Station is scheduled to begin next summer.<BR>
<BR>
In the next few years, the Interplanetary Internet could enable many =
new<BR>
types of space missions. Complex missions involving multiple landed,<BR>
mobile and orbiting spacecraft will be far easier to support through =
the<BR>
use of the Interplanetary Internet. It also could ensure reliable<BR>
communications for astronauts on the surface of the moon.<BR>
<BR>
The Deep Impact Networking Experiment is sponsored by the Space<BR>
Communications and Navigation Office in NASA's Space Operations =
Mission<BR>
Directorate in Washington. NASA's Science Mission Directorate and<BR>
Discovery Program in Washington provided experimental access to the<BR>
Epoxi spacecraft. The Epoxi mission team provided critical support<BR>
throughout development and operations.<BR>
<BR>
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Brillo! Congrats all.

Look forward to hearing more on Thursday,
Stephen.

Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0) wrote:
> RELEASE: 08-298
> 
> NASA SUCCESSFULLY TESTS FIRST DEEP SPACE INTERNET
> 
> PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA has successfully tested the first deep space
> communications network modeled on the Internet.
> Working as part of a NASA-wide team, engineers from NASA's Jet
> Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., used software called
> Disruption-Tolerant Networking, or DTN, to transmit dozens of space
> images to and from a NASA science spacecraft located about 20 million
> miles from Earth. 
> 
> "This is the first step in creating a totally new space communications
> capability, an interplanetary Internet," said Adrian Hooke, team lead
> and manager of space-networking architecture, technology and standards
> at NASA Headquarters in Washington.
> 
> NASA and Vint Cerf, a vice president at Google Inc., in Mountain View,
> Calif., partnered 10 years ago to develop this software protocol. The
> DTN sends information using a method that differs from the normal
> Internet's Transmission-Control Protocol/Internet Protocol, or TCP/IP,
> communication suite, which Cerf co-designed.
> 
> The Interplanetary Internet must be robust to withstand delays,
> disruptions and disconnections in space. Glitches can happen when a
> spacecraft moves behind a planet, or when solar storms and long
> communication delays occur. The delay in sending or receiving data from
> Mars takes between three-and-a-half to 20 minutes at the speed of light.
> 
> 
> Unlike TCP/IP on Earth, the DTN does not assume a continuous end-to-end
> connection. In its design, if a destination path cannot be found, the
> data packets are not discarded. Instead, each network node keeps the
> information as long as necessary until it can communicate safely with
> another node. This store-and-forward method, similar to basketball
> players safely passing the ball to the player nearest the basket means
> information does not get lost when no immediate path to the destination
> exists. Eventually, the information is delivered to the end user. 
> 
> "In space today, an operations team must manually schedule each link and
> generate all the commands to specify which data to send, when to send
> it, and where to send it," said Leigh Torgerson, manager of the DTN
> Experiment Operations Center at JPL. "With standardized DTN, this can
> all be done automatically."
> 
> Engineers began a month-long series of DTN demonstrations in October.
> Data were transmitted using NASA's Deep Space Network in demonstrations
> occurring twice a week. Engineers use NASA's Epoxi spacecraft as a Mars
> data-relay orbiter. Epoxi is on a mission to encounter Comet Hartley 2
> in two years. There are 10 nodes on this early interplanetary network.
> One is the Epoxi spacecraft itself and the other nine, which are on the
> ground at JPL, simulate Mars landers, orbiters and ground
> mission-operations centers.
> 
> This month-long experiment is the first in a series of planned
> demonstrations to qualify the technology for use on a variety of
> upcoming space missions. In the next round of testing, a NASA-wide
> demonstration using new DTN software loaded on board the International
> Space Station is scheduled to begin next summer.
> 
> In the next few years, the Interplanetary Internet could enable many new
> types of space missions. Complex missions involving multiple landed,
> mobile and orbiting spacecraft will be far easier to support through the
> use of the Interplanetary Internet. It also could ensure reliable
> communications for astronauts on the surface of the moon.
> 
> The Deep Impact Networking Experiment is sponsored by the Space
> Communications and Navigation Office in NASA's Space Operations Mission
> Directorate in Washington. NASA's Science Mission Directorate and
> Discovery Program in Washington provided experimental access to the
> Epoxi spacecraft. The Epoxi mission team provided critical support
> throughout development and operations.
> 
>  
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RELEASE: 08-298

NASA SUCCESSFULLY TESTS FIRST DEEP SPACE INTERNET

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA has successfully tested the first deep space
communications network modeled on the Internet.
Working as part of a NASA-wide team, engineers from NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., used software called
Disruption-Tolerant Networking, or DTN, to transmit dozens of space
images to and from a NASA science spacecraft located about 20 million
miles from Earth. 

"This is the first step in creating a totally new space communications
capability, an interplanetary Internet," said Adrian Hooke, team lead
and manager of space-networking architecture, technology and standards
at NASA Headquarters in Washington.

NASA and Vint Cerf, a vice president at Google Inc., in Mountain View,
Calif., partnered 10 years ago to develop this software protocol. The
DTN sends information using a method that differs from the normal
Internet's Transmission-Control Protocol/Internet Protocol, or TCP/IP,
communication suite, which Cerf co-designed.

The Interplanetary Internet must be robust to withstand delays,
disruptions and disconnections in space. Glitches can happen when a
spacecraft moves behind a planet, or when solar storms and long
communication delays occur. The delay in sending or receiving data from
Mars takes between three-and-a-half to 20 minutes at the speed of light.


Unlike TCP/IP on Earth, the DTN does not assume a continuous end-to-end
connection. In its design, if a destination path cannot be found, the
data packets are not discarded. Instead, each network node keeps the
information as long as necessary until it can communicate safely with
another node. This store-and-forward method, similar to basketball
players safely passing the ball to the player nearest the basket means
information does not get lost when no immediate path to the destination
exists. Eventually, the information is delivered to the end user. 

"In space today, an operations team must manually schedule each link and
generate all the commands to specify which data to send, when to send
it, and where to send it," said Leigh Torgerson, manager of the DTN
Experiment Operations Center at JPL. "With standardized DTN, this can
all be done automatically."

Engineers began a month-long series of DTN demonstrations in October.
Data were transmitted using NASA's Deep Space Network in demonstrations
occurring twice a week. Engineers use NASA's Epoxi spacecraft as a Mars
data-relay orbiter. Epoxi is on a mission to encounter Comet Hartley 2
in two years. There are 10 nodes on this early interplanetary network.
One is the Epoxi spacecraft itself and the other nine, which are on the
ground at JPL, simulate Mars landers, orbiters and ground
mission-operations centers.

This month-long experiment is the first in a series of planned
demonstrations to qualify the technology for use on a variety of
upcoming space missions. In the next round of testing, a NASA-wide
demonstration using new DTN software loaded on board the International
Space Station is scheduled to begin next summer.

In the next few years, the Interplanetary Internet could enable many new
types of space missions. Complex missions involving multiple landed,
mobile and orbiting spacecraft will be far easier to support through the
use of the Interplanetary Internet. It also could ensure reliable
communications for astronauts on the surface of the moon.

The Deep Impact Networking Experiment is sponsored by the Space
Communications and Navigation Office in NASA's Space Operations Mission
Directorate in Washington. NASA's Science Mission Directorate and
Discovery Program in Washington provided experimental access to the
Epoxi spacecraft. The Epoxi mission team provided critical support
throughout development and operations.

 
-end-


******************************
William D. Ivancic
Phone 216-433-3494
Fax 216-433-8705
Networking Lab 216-433-2620
DTN Lab 216-433-2981
Mobile 440-503-4892
http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic 



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Hi,

I've updated the agenda to reflect the additional requests for
slots that I've gotten since the last version. [1] Let me know
if I've missed out anyone or otherwise messed up.

If you owe me slides, please get them to me by lunchtime on
Wed (i.e. Wed 1900 UTC).

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[1] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/agenda/DTNRG.html



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L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-rfcs-01
> 
> See section 3 on document shepherds, and how the shepherd is
> generally a chair unless the chair is an author.
> 
> I submit that the shepherding process begins once the document
> has been accepting as a research group draft.

Wrong. It starts when an RG doc goes to the IRSG or a WG doc
goes to the IESG as part of the PROTO  process. (Time to stop
digging I think:-)

Stephen.

> 
> cheers,
> 
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> 
> 
> L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
>>> Ensuring that drafts don't expire is the author's responsibility,
>>
>> for individual draft submissions, certainly.
>>
>> Once those drafts have been accepted by the group, it's the group's
>> shared responsibility. And the group is led by the chairs.
> 
> Well, we disagree about that. Feel free to find something anywhere
> that backs up your position, (other than chairs sometimes having
> to hand over editorship of WG documents when editors go bad or
> missing, which is different and doesn't apply here).
> 
> Stephen.
> 
> 
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> L.
>>
>> <http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/><L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2008, Kurtis Heimerl <kheimerl@cs.berkeley.edu> wrote:

>I need a field that indicates the length of the payload, but it turns
>out that the block length field of the Bundle payload block isn't
>anything obviously correct. It seems to return 8 if the bundle is
>small and 4096 if large. It doesn't depend on the length of the
>payload, that much I'm certain about. This means either I'm
>incorrectly decoding this variable, which I find unlikely due to the
>correctness of the rest of the fields, or it's not what I thought it
>was. Where am I supposed to get this length?

The block-length field in the payload block is the right place to find
the length. In fact, it's the *only* place. 

As others have noted, this is an SDNV so you need to unpack it using one
of the SDNV routines. The preceding "flags" field is also an SDNV but
that shouldn't be causing your problem -- it will be a single byte for you. 

If you're unpacking SDNVs yourself, remember that they're stored in
network-byte-order.

>Also, are any of the DTN implementations more readable than the
>reference of symbian implementations? It's hard to parse those, so a
>simpler version might lead me to unblocking myself more often.

The one I work with is DTN2 from sourceforge, which had been maintained
for a long time by Mike Demmer. You can get it using ...
   hg clone http://dtn.sourceforge.net/hg/DTN2

In particular, have a look at servlib/bundling/BlockProcessor.cc and the
consume_preamble method there.

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http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-rfcs-01

See section 3 on document shepherds, and how the shepherd is
generally a chair unless the chair is an author.

I submit that the shepherding process begins once the document
has been accepting as a research group draft.

cheers,

L.

<http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/><L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>



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L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
>> Ensuring that drafts don't expire is the author's responsibility,
>=20
> for individual draft submissions, certainly.
>=20
> Once those drafts have been accepted by the group, it's the group's
> shared responsibility. And the group is led by the chairs.

Well, we disagree about that. Feel free to find something anywhere
that backs up your position, (other than chairs sometimes having
to hand over editorship of WG documents when editors go bad or
missing, which is different and doesn't apply here).

Stephen.


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to hand over editorship of WG documents when editors go bad or<BR>
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L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
>> Ensuring that drafts don't expire is the author's responsibility,
> 
> for individual draft submissions, certainly.
> 
> Once those drafts have been accepted by the group, it's the group's
> shared responsibility. And the group is led by the chairs.

Well, we disagree about that. Feel free to find something anywhere
that backs up your position, (other than chairs sometimes having
to hand over editorship of WG documents when editors go bad or
missing, which is different and doesn't apply here).

Stephen.


> 
> cheers,
> 
> L.
> 
> <http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/><L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>
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> Ensuring that drafts don't expire is the author's responsibility,

for individual draft submissions, certainly.

Once those drafts have been accepted by the group, it's the group's =
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Kurtis Heimerl wrote:
> I thought that users would be for users of dtn implementations, rather
> than users of the standards. I'll repost this here.
> 

dtn-users was setup for users of the DTN2 code, but I guess is
also used for other code related things.

This list is for more general discussion and is also used when
developing dtnrg specs.

We should probably make that clearer on the Wiki I guess since
you're not the only one who's posted mails like that. (Be glad
if someone else with write access could fix that up before I
do.)

Stephen.



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I thought that users would be for users of dtn implementations, rather
than users of the standards. I'll repost this here.

It's not the sdnv issue, as I'm aware of that and should be decoding
it correctly, as I do other sdnv fields.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:25 AM, Stephen Farrell
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>
> Hi Lloyd,
>
> Ensuring that drafts don't expire is the author's responsibility, and
> I've no idea where you get the "no interest from the chairs" idea, which
> is just plain wrong. And of course, reviving I-Ds these days is almost
> a NOOP, so you can relax on this one.
>
> Stephen.
>
> L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
>> Kurtis,
>>
>> Not surprised you're having problems with the length 'field' - it's an SDNV.
>> That's described briefly in section 4.1 of RFC5050. Note the (*) in the
>> diagram
>> in section 4.5 of RFC5050.
>>
>> It was recognised that more documentation of SDNVs was needed for
>> implementers,
>> so the workgroup draft:
>> http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-irtf-dtnrg-sdnv/
>> was adopted after:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eddy-dtn-sdnv-03
>> was written. But that workgroup draft has been allowed to expire, with
>> no further
>> interest expressed in it from the chairs.
>>
>> (I'd have aimed to have the SDNV draft published as an RFC before or
>> with RFC5050,
>> as the dependency is obvious.)
>>
>> hope this helps,
>>
>> L.
>>
>> <http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/><L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dtn-interest-bounces@maillists.intel-research.net on behalf of
>> Kurtis Heimerl
>> Sent: Mon 2008-11-17 7:29
>> To: dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net
>> Subject: [dtn-interest] Bundle Protocol question
>>
>> Hello again DTN-interest! I've made great strides on the python DTN
>> implementation, and can send and receive smaller bundles over the
>> TCPCL.
>>
>> I've begun work on allowing for larger files. For small files, the
>> implementation was allowed to strip off the type, flags and length
>> fields from the Bundle Payload block and assume the rest is payload.
>> However, as the payload gets larger, this fails.
>>
>> I need a field that indicates the length of the payload, but it turns
>> out that the block length field of the Bundle payload block isn't
>> anything obviously correct. It seems to return 8 if the bundle is
>> small and 4096 if large. It doesn't depend on the length of the
>> payload, that much I'm certain about. This means either I'm
>> incorrectly decoding this variable, which I find unlikely due to the
>> correctness of the rest of the fields, or it's not what I thought it
>> was. Where am I supposed to get this length?
>>
>> Also, are any of the DTN implementations more readable than the
>> reference of symbian implementations? It's hard to parse those, so a
>> simpler version might lead me to unblocking myself more often.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://maillists.intel-research.net/mailman/listinfo/dtn-interest
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Hi Lloyd,

Ensuring that drafts don't expire is the author's responsibility, and
I've no idea where you get the "no interest from the chairs" idea, which
is just plain wrong. And of course, reviving I-Ds these days is almost
a NOOP, so you can relax on this one.

Stephen.

L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
> Kurtis,
> 
> Not surprised you're having problems with the length 'field' - it's an SDNV.
> That's described briefly in section 4.1 of RFC5050. Note the (*) in the
> diagram
> in section 4.5 of RFC5050.
> 
> It was recognised that more documentation of SDNVs was needed for
> implementers,
> so the workgroup draft:
> http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-irtf-dtnrg-sdnv/
> was adopted after:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eddy-dtn-sdnv-03
> was written. But that workgroup draft has been allowed to expire, with
> no further
> interest expressed in it from the chairs.
> 
> (I'd have aimed to have the SDNV draft published as an RFC before or
> with RFC5050,
> as the dependency is obvious.)
> 
> hope this helps,
> 
> L.
> 
> <http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/><L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtn-interest-bounces@maillists.intel-research.net on behalf of
> Kurtis Heimerl
> Sent: Mon 2008-11-17 7:29
> To: dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net
> Subject: [dtn-interest] Bundle Protocol question
> 
> Hello again DTN-interest! I've made great strides on the python DTN
> implementation, and can send and receive smaller bundles over the
> TCPCL.
> 
> I've begun work on allowing for larger files. For small files, the
> implementation was allowed to strip off the type, flags and length
> fields from the Bundle Payload block and assume the rest is payload.
> However, as the payload gets larger, this fails.
> 
> I need a field that indicates the length of the payload, but it turns
> out that the block length field of the Bundle payload block isn't
> anything obviously correct. It seems to return 8 if the bundle is
> small and 4096 if large. It doesn't depend on the length of the
> payload, that much I'm certain about. This means either I'm
> incorrectly decoding this variable, which I find unlikely due to the
> correctness of the rest of the fields, or it's not what I thought it
> was. Where am I supposed to get this length?
> 
> Also, are any of the DTN implementations more readable than the
> reference of symbian implementations? It's hard to parse those, so a
> simpler version might lead me to unblocking myself more often.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dtn-interest mailing list
> dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net
> http://maillists.intel-research.net/mailman/listinfo/dtn-interest


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Hi Curtis,

Implementation issues like that are better dealt with on the
dtn-users list.

S.

Kurtis Heimerl wrote:
> Hello again DTN-interest! I've made great strides on the python DTN
> implementation, and can send and receive smaller bundles over the
> TCPCL.
> 
> I've begun work on allowing for larger files. For small files, the
> implementation was allowed to strip off the type, flags and length
> fields from the Bundle Payload block and assume the rest is payload.
> However, as the payload gets larger, this fails.
> 
> I need a field that indicates the length of the payload, but it turns
> out that the block length field of the Bundle payload block isn't
> anything obviously correct. It seems to return 8 if the bundle is
> small and 4096 if large. It doesn't depend on the length of the
> payload, that much I'm certain about. This means either I'm
> incorrectly decoding this variable, which I find unlikely due to the
> correctness of the rest of the fields, or it's not what I thought it
> was. Where am I supposed to get this length?
> 
> Also, are any of the DTN implementations more readable than the
> reference of symbian implementations? It's hard to parse those, so a
> simpler version might lead me to unblocking myself more often.
> 
> Thanks!
> _______________________________________________
> dtn-interest mailing list
> dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net
> http://maillists.intel-research.net/mailman/listinfo/dtn-interest
> 


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Kurtis,

Not surprised you're having problems with the length 'field' - it's an =
SDNV.
That's described briefly in section 4.1 of RFC5050. Note the (*) in the =
diagram
in section 4.5 of RFC5050.

It was recognised that more documentation of SDNVs was needed for =
implementers,
so the workgroup draft:
http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-irtf-dtnrg-sdnv/
was adopted after:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eddy-dtn-sdnv-03
was written. But that workgroup draft has been allowed to expire, with =
no further
interest expressed in it from the chairs.

(I'd have aimed to have the SDNV draft published as an RFC before or =
with RFC5050,
as the dependency is obvious.)

hope this helps,

L.

<http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/><L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>



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Hello again DTN-interest! I've made great strides on the python DTN
implementation, and can send and receive smaller bundles over the
TCPCL.

I've begun work on allowing for larger files. For small files, the
implementation was allowed to strip off the type, flags and length
fields from the Bundle Payload block and assume the rest is payload.
However, as the payload gets larger, this fails.

I need a field that indicates the length of the payload, but it turns
out that the block length field of the Bundle payload block isn't
anything obviously correct. It seems to return 8 if the bundle is
small and 4096 if large. It doesn't depend on the length of the
payload, that much I'm certain about. This means either I'm
incorrectly decoding this variable, which I find unlikely due to the
correctness of the rest of the fields, or it's not what I thought it
was. Where am I supposed to get this length?

Also, are any of the DTN implementations more readable than the
reference of symbian implementations? It's hard to parse those, so a
simpler version might lead me to unblocking myself more often.

Thanks!



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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Kurtis,<BR>
<BR>
Not surprised you're having problems with the length 'field' - it's an =
SDNV.<BR>
That's described briefly in section 4.1 of RFC5050. Note the (*) in the =
diagram<BR>
in section 4.5 of RFC5050.<BR>
<BR>
It was recognised that more documentation of SDNVs was needed for =
implementers,<BR>
so the workgroup draft:<BR>
<A =
HREF=3D"http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-irtf-dtnrg-sdnv/">http://i=
etfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-irtf-dtnrg-sdnv/</A><BR>
was adopted after:<BR>
<A =
HREF=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eddy-dtn-sdnv-03">http://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-eddy-dtn-sdnv-03</A><BR>
was written. But that workgroup draft has been allowed to expire, with =
no further<BR>
interest expressed in it from the chairs.<BR>
<BR>
(I'd have aimed to have the SDNV draft published as an RFC before or =
with RFC5050,<BR>
as the dependency is obvious.)<BR>
<BR>
hope this helps,<BR>
<BR>
L.<BR>
<BR>
&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/">http://www.ee.surrey=
.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/</A>&gt;&lt;L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk&gt;<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Kurtis Heimerl<BR>
Sent: Mon 2008-11-17 7:29<BR>
To: dtn-interest@maillists.intel-research.net<BR>
Subject: [dtn-interest] Bundle Protocol question<BR>
<BR>
Hello again DTN-interest! I've made great strides on the python DTN<BR>
implementation, and can send and receive smaller bundles over the<BR>
TCPCL.<BR>
<BR>
I've begun work on allowing for larger files. For small files, the<BR>
implementation was allowed to strip off the type, flags and length<BR>
fields from the Bundle Payload block and assume the rest is payload.<BR>
However, as the payload gets larger, this fails.<BR>
<BR>
I need a field that indicates the length of the payload, but it =
turns<BR>
out that the block length field of the Bundle payload block isn't<BR>
anything obviously correct. It seems to return 8 if the bundle is<BR>
small and 4096 if large. It doesn't depend on the length of the<BR>
payload, that much I'm certain about. This means either I'm<BR>
incorrectly decoding this variable, which I find unlikely due to the<BR>
correctness of the rest of the fields, or it's not what I thought it<BR>
was. Where am I supposed to get this length?<BR>
<BR>
Also, are any of the DTN implementations more readable than the<BR>
reference of symbian implementations? It's hard to parse those, so a<BR>
simpler version might lead me to unblocking myself more often.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Hello again DTN-interest! I've made great strides on the python DTN
implementation, and can send and receive smaller bundles over the
TCPCL.

I've begun work on allowing for larger files. For small files, the
implementation was allowed to strip off the type, flags and length
fields from the Bundle Payload block and assume the rest is payload.
However, as the payload gets larger, this fails.

I need a field that indicates the length of the payload, but it turns
out that the block length field of the Bundle payload block isn't
anything obviously correct. It seems to return 8 if the bundle is
small and 4096 if large. It doesn't depend on the length of the
payload, that much I'm certain about. This means either I'm
incorrectly decoding this variable, which I find unlikely due to the
correctness of the rest of the fields, or it's not what I thought it
was. Where am I supposed to get this length?

Also, are any of the DTN implementations more readable than the
reference of symbian implementations? It's hard to parse those, so a
simpler version might lead me to unblocking myself more often.

Thanks!


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Kevin Fall wrote on Sat 2008-11-15 20:53:
> Thanks for this.  Its nice to see.  Congrats all.
>
> (might have been nicer if they would have included just a bit more =20
> information or a pointer... its pretty brief.  Is there any sort of =20
> longer article from Time?)

Apparently not, based on the scans I've seen - haven't seen that a =
physical copy of that 10 Nov issue of Time Magazine (has Obama and =
McCain on the cover, mentions inventions in bottom left corner), but =
wouldn't expect more, given constraints of space.

http://www.engineeringbritain.com/space/archives/190-CLEO-Orbital-Interne=
t-earns-Time-Magazine-award.html

adds some context and pointers.

L.

<http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/><L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>

On Nov 13, 2008, at Nov 137:26 PMPST, Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0) =20
wrote:

> I would like to congratulate the folks at JPL and the DTNRG community
> for the Time Magazine 2008 top 10 Inventions recognition.  Apparently
> the ability to showcase DTN using the UK-DMC satellite and image
> transfer was decent publicity.  We were able to utilize what the
> community developed.  Thanks for you hard work.
>
> http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic/shared/DTN/time0001.jpg
>
> =
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/printout/0,29239,1852747_1854
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Kevin Fall wrote on Sat 2008-11-15 20:53:<BR>
&gt; Thanks for this.&nbsp; Its nice to see.&nbsp; Congrats all.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; (might have been nicer if they would have included just a bit =
more&nbsp;<BR>
&gt; information or a pointer... its pretty brief.&nbsp; Is there any =
sort of&nbsp;<BR>
&gt; longer article from Time?)<BR>
<BR>
Apparently not, based on the scans I've seen - haven't seen that a =
physical copy of that 10 Nov issue of Time Magazine (has Obama and =
McCain on the cover, mentions inventions in bottom left corner), but =
wouldn't expect more, given constraints of space.<BR>
<BR>
<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.engineeringbritain.com/space/archives/190-CLEO-Orbital=
-Internet-earns-Time-Magazine-award.html">http://www.engineeringbritain.c=
om/space/archives/190-CLEO-Orbital-Internet-earns-Time-Magazine-award.htm=
l</A><BR>
<BR>
adds some context and pointers.<BR>
<BR>
L.<BR>
<BR>
&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/">http://www.ee.surrey=
.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/</A>&gt;&lt;L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk&gt;<BR>
<BR>
On Nov 13, 2008, at Nov 137:26 PMPST, Ivancic, William D. =
(GRC-RHN0)&nbsp;<BR>
wrote:<BR>
<BR>
&gt; I would like to congratulate the folks at JPL and the DTNRG =
community<BR>
&gt; for the Time Magazine 2008 top 10 Inventions recognition.&nbsp; =
Apparently<BR>
&gt; the ability to showcase DTN using the UK-DMC satellite and =
image<BR>
&gt; transfer was decent publicity.&nbsp; We were able to utilize what =
the<BR>
&gt; community developed.&nbsp; Thanks for you hard work.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; <A =
HREF=3D"http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic/shared/DTN/time0001.jpg">http=
://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic/shared/DTN/time0001.jpg</A><BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/printout/0,29239,18527=
47_1854">http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/printout/0,29239,1852=
747_1854</A><BR>
&gt; 195_1854122,00.html<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Will</FONT>
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Thanks for this.  Its nice to see.  Congrats all.

(might have been nicer if they would have included just a bit more  
information or a pointer... its pretty brief.  Is there any sort of  
longer article from Time?)

cheers,
- K


On Nov 13, 2008, at Nov 137:26 PMPST, Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0)  
wrote:

> I would like to congratulate the folks at JPL and the DTNRG community
> for the Time Magazine 2008 top 10 Inventions recognition.  Apparently
> the ability to showcase DTN using the UK-DMC satellite and image
> transfer was decent publicity.  We were able to utilize what the
> community developed.  Thanks for you hard work.
>
> http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic/shared/DTN/time0001.jpg
>
> http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/printout/0,29239,1852747_1854
> 195_1854122,00.html
>
>
>
> Will
>
>
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      Cygwin] (Elwyn Davies)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:45:42 +0000
From: Lloyd Wood <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [dtn-interest] [dtn-users] [Fwd: Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not
=09compile on Cygwin]
To: Folly Consulting <elwynd@folly.org.uk>
Cc: DTN interest <dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org>,
=09dtn-users@maillists.intel-research.net, Lloyd Wood
=09<L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>
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Elwyn,

Previous list discussion of Cygwin stalled at the d_type problem. =20
Appears you've found a simple workaround and found that d_type use is =20
not essential to the dtn code.

My take is that you're already over the hard part for getting the dtn =20
code to run, at least - but though cygwin can be convenient, it's =20
rarely preferable for development, and not good for networking work =20
(no multicast, no IPv6) or anything that stresses the filesystem =20
(slow, weirdness in mapping unix behaviour to windows, odd piping =20
behaviour too.)

If you're familiar with Cygwin's weirdnesses, fine -- if not,
you'll =20
be wondering if the behaviour you see is due to the program, or to =20
running the program on cygwin.

cheers,

L.

On 12 Nov 2008, at 21:13, Folly Consulting wrote:

> Stephen Farrell suggested the attached message might be usefully =20
> seen on
> the users list.
>
> Just to continue.  Having got oasys to compile I tried DTN 2.6.0.  It
> appears it has a similar number of minor problems, plus a problem with
> getting the linkage right between the xdr routines and the C++.  the
> applib is currently refusing to link.
>
> However in the light of Michael's comments below, it is not clear
> whether there is any point in continuing.  Maybe some sort of caveat
> ought to be added to the buiklding instructions or in the wiki - the
> manual currently implies that it can be built for Cygwin and there are
> clearly significant problems to sort out.. which may be intractable.
>
> Regards,
> Elwyn Davies
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: =09Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not compile on Cygwin
> Date: =09Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:38:01 -0800
> From: =09Michael Demmer <demmer@cs.berkeley.edu>
> To: =09Elwyn Davies <elwynd@dial.pipex.com>
> CC: =09Delay Tolerant Networking Interest List
> <dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org>
> References: =09<491AE958.3070001@dial.pipex.com>
>
>
>
> Yes. There have been cygwin incompatibilities for some time. From what
> I remember, getting things to compile in cygwin is a bit of a pain but
> not fundamentally a challenge, however there was something more
> fundamental in the threading and IO model that caused things to break
> in cygwin. That may have been fixed with a newer version of cygwin,
> but I haven't tried for some time.
>
> Also, I began an effort to port the code to use the Apache Portable
> Runtime (APR) which would mean that the system could run natively on
> either UNIX or Windows platforms. That work is currently checked in
> under the apr-port branch.
>
> -mike
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Elwyn Davies =20
> <elwynd@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I have been trying to compile DTN2 v2.6.0 and Oasys v1.3.0 on =20
>> Windows XP
>> SP2/Cygwin (version 1.5.25-15)
>>
>> There are 4 problems (so far):
>> io/FileUtils.cc:  rm_all_from_dir function does not compile because =20
>> the
>> 'dirent structure does not contain 'd_type' on Cygwin
(line 133).  =20
>> This
>> field is only used when the 'recursive' flag is set - this
isn't =20
>> used in
>> dtn, so commenting out the test for recursive delete  provides a =20
>> workaround.
>>
>> io/TTY.h:  Lines 36-39:  cfgetispeed and  cfgetospeed are defined as
>> preprocessor macros in sys/termios.h rather than global functions.
>> Consequently both the declarations and the functions that use them in
>> FileUtils.cc do not compile.  AFAIK these functions are not used.  I
>> commented out the functions and the declarations to allow it to =20
>> compile.
>>
>> io/TTY.h (Line 40) and ioTTY.cc(lines 96-101): There is no function
>> cfmakeraw in Cygwin.  hence the wrapper will not compile.  In order =20
>> to
>> support
>> the standard DTN code, we need to define TTY::cfmakeraw() as a No-=20
>> op in
>> oasys for cygwin.
>>
>> Makefile:  'make install' fails.The shell script executed for
the =20
>> target
>> 'installlibs' (lines 305-419) is not good 'bash' code.
  The  =20
>> '[' (test)
>> commends fail because the equality operator is '=3D=3D' rather
than '=3D' =20
>> and
>> the $DESTDIR argument needs to be enclosed in double quotes to =20
>> cater for
>> the empty string case (as is the default).  Also the SHLIB_EXT =20
>> variable
>> doesn't seem to be defined.  the following fragment works (if =20
>> SHLIB_EXT
>> :=3D a is added):
>>
>> installlib: installdirs
>>    [ "$(DESTDIR)" =3D=3D . ] || \
>>    [ x$(SHLIBS) =3D=3D x ] || \
>>    for lib in lib/liboasys-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) \
>>               lib/liboasyscompat-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) ; do
\
>>        ($(INSTALL_PROGRAM) $$lib $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)) ; \
>>    done
>>
>>    [ "$(DESTDIR)" =3D=3D . ] || \
>>    for lib in liboasys liboasyscompat ; do \
>>          (cd $(DESTDIR)$(libdir) && rm -f $$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT)
&& \
>>           ln -s $$lib-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) $$lib.$=20
>> (SHLIB_EXT)) \
>>    done
>>
>>
>> There are problems with DTN as well.. I will report these separately.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Elwyn
>>
>
>
>
> --=20
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:34:16 +0000
From: Elwyn Davies <elwynd@folly.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [dtn-interest] [dtn-users] [Fwd: Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not
=09compile on Cygwin]
To: Lloyd Wood <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>
Cc: DTN interest <dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org>,
=09dtn-users@maillists.intel-research.net
Message-ID: <1226576056.30272.189.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi, Lloyd.

On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 21:45 +0000, Lloyd Wood wrote:
> Elwyn,
>=20
> Previous list discussion of Cygwin stalled at the d_type problem. =20
> Appears you've found a simple workaround and found that d_type use is=20

> not essential to the dtn code.
Right!  Cheap hack.
>=20
> My take is that you're already over the hard part for getting the dtn=20

> code to run, at least - but though cygwin can be convenient, it's =20
> rarely preferable for development, and not good for networking work =20
> (no multicast, no IPv6) or anything that stresses the filesystem =20
> (slow, weirdness in mapping unix behaviour to windows, odd piping =20
> behaviour too.)
The original intention was just to get it up and running to  provide me
with a couple of extra testing nodes 'for free'.  Well, TANSTAAFL!!!

Anyway after a deal of head scratching I now have runnable executables.
Whether they do what I need is the next question.  I have sent a message
to the users list documenting what I had to do. And it has provided me
with a chance to run around the code a little.

I'll discuss getting some patches in with Michael (possibly in
Minneapolis).
>=20
> If you're familiar with Cygwin's weirdnesses, fine -- if not,
you'll =20
> be wondering if the behaviour you see is due to the program, or to =20
> running the program on cygwin.
Thanks for the warning!  At the moment I only want very simple
behaviour, so I'll see if it can provide.  I don't intend to do any
development on Cygwin anyway. I have Linux for that!

Cheers,
Elwyn=20
>=20
> cheers,
>=20
> L.
>=20
> On 12 Nov 2008, at 21:13, Folly Consulting wrote:
>=20
> > Stephen Farrell suggested the attached message might be usefully =20
> > seen on
> > the users list.
> >
> > Just to continue.  Having got oasys to compile I tried DTN 2.6.0.  It
> > appears it has a similar number of minor problems, plus a problem
with
> > getting the linkage right between the xdr routines and the C++.  the
> > applib is currently refusing to link.
> >
> > However in the light of Michael's comments below, it is not clear
> > whether there is any point in continuing.  Maybe some sort of caveat
> > ought to be added to the buiklding instructions or in the wiki - the
> > manual currently implies that it can be built for Cygwin and there
are
> > clearly significant problems to sort out.. which may be intractable.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Elwyn Davies
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: =09Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not compile on Cygwin
> > Date: =09Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:38:01 -0800
> > From: =09Michael Demmer <demmer@cs.berkeley.edu>
> > To: =09Elwyn Davies <elwynd@dial.pipex.com>
> > CC: =09Delay Tolerant Networking Interest List
> > <dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org>
> > References: =09<491AE958.3070001@dial.pipex.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes. There have been cygwin incompatibilities for some time. From
what
> > I remember, getting things to compile in cygwin is a bit of a pain
but
> > not fundamentally a challenge, however there was something more
> > fundamental in the threading and IO model that caused things to break
> > in cygwin. That may have been fixed with a newer version of cygwin,
> > but I haven't tried for some time.
> >
> > Also, I began an effort to port the code to use the Apache Portable
> > Runtime (APR) which would mean that the system could run natively on
> > either UNIX or Windows platforms. That work is currently checked in
> > under the apr-port branch.
> >
> > -mike
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Elwyn Davies =20
> > <elwynd@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> I have been trying to compile DTN2 v2.6.0 and Oasys v1.3.0 on =20
> >> Windows XP
> >> SP2/Cygwin (version 1.5.25-15)
> >>
> >> There are 4 problems (so far):
> >> io/FileUtils.cc:  rm_all_from_dir function does not compile
because =20
> >> the
> >> 'dirent structure does not contain 'd_type' on Cygwin
(line 133).  =20
> >> This
> >> field is only used when the 'recursive' flag is set -
this isn't =20
> >> used in
> >> dtn, so commenting out the test for recursive delete  provides a=20

> >> workaround.
> >>
> >> io/TTY.h:  Lines 36-39:  cfgetispeed and  cfgetospeed are defined
as
> >> preprocessor macros in sys/termios.h rather than global
functions.
> >> Consequently both the declarations and the functions that use
them in
> >> FileUtils.cc do not compile.  AFAIK these functions are not used.
 I
> >> commented out the functions and the declarations to allow it to =20
> >> compile.
> >>
> >> io/TTY.h (Line 40) and ioTTY.cc(lines 96-101): There is no
function
> >> cfmakeraw in Cygwin.  hence the wrapper will not compile.  In
order =20
> >> to
> >> support
> >> the standard DTN code, we need to define TTY::cfmakeraw() as a
No-=20
> >> op in
> >> oasys for cygwin.
> >>
> >> Makefile:  'make install' fails.The shell script executed
for the =20
> >> target
> >> 'installlibs' (lines 305-419) is not good 'bash'
code.   The  =20
> >> '[' (test)
> >> commends fail because the equality operator is '=3D=3D'
rather than '=3D' =20
> >> and
> >> the $DESTDIR argument needs to be enclosed in double quotes to =20
> >> cater for
> >> the empty string case (as is the default).  Also the SHLIB_EXT =20
> >> variable
> >> doesn't seem to be defined.  the following fragment works (if
=20
> >> SHLIB_EXT
> >> :=3D a is added):
> >>
> >> installlib: installdirs
> >>    [ "$(DESTDIR)" =3D=3D . ] || \
> >>    [ x$(SHLIBS) =3D=3D x ] || \
> >>    for lib in lib/liboasys-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) \
> >>               lib/liboasyscompat-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) ;
do \
> >>        ($(INSTALL_PROGRAM) $$lib $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)) ; \
> >>    done
> >>
> >>    [ "$(DESTDIR)" =3D=3D . ] || \
> >>    for lib in liboasys liboasyscompat ; do \
> >>          (cd $(DESTDIR)$(libdir) && rm -f
$$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT) && \
> >>           ln -s $$lib-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) $$lib.$=20
> >> (SHLIB_EXT)) \
> >>    done
> >>
> >>
> >> There are problems with DTN as well.. I will report these
separately.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Elwyn
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --=20
> >
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Folly Consulting Ltd, 60 The Butts, Soham, Ely, Cambridgeshire, CB7 =20
> > 5AW
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> > http://maillists.intel-research.net/mailman/listinfo/dtn-users
>=20
> DTN work: http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/saratoga/
>=20
>
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   1. Re: [dtn-users] [Fwd: Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not	compile on
      Cygwin] (Lloyd Wood)
   2. Re: [dtn-users] [Fwd: Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not	compile on
      Cygwin] (Elwyn Davies)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:45:42 +0000
From: Lloyd Wood &lt;L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk&gt;
Subject: Re: [dtn-interest] [dtn-users] [Fwd: Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not
	compile on Cygwin]
To: Folly Consulting &lt;elwynd@folly.org.uk&gt;
Cc: DTN interest &lt;dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org&gt;,
	dtn-users@maillists.intel-research.net, Lloyd Wood
	&lt;L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk&gt;
Message-ID: &lt;15765EEC-3C2A-4308-8CED-CA1CEC1F1DD1@surrey.ac.uk&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Elwyn,

Previous list discussion of Cygwin stalled at the d_type problem.  
Appears you've found a simple workaround and found that d_type use is  
not essential to the dtn code.

My take is that you're already over the hard part for getting the dtn  
code to run, at least - but though cygwin can be convenient, it's  
rarely preferable for development, and not good for networking work  
(no multicast, no IPv6) or anything that stresses the filesystem  
(slow, weirdness in mapping unix behaviour to windows, odd piping  
behaviour too.)

If you're familiar with Cygwin's weirdnesses, fine -- if not,
you'll  
be wondering if the behaviour you see is due to the program, or to  
running the program on cygwin.

cheers,

L.

On 12 Nov 2008, at 21:13, Folly Consulting wrote:

&gt; Stephen Farrell suggested the attached message might be usefully  
&gt; seen on
&gt; the users list.
&gt;
&gt; Just to continue.  Having got oasys to compile I tried DTN 2.6.0.  It
&gt; appears it has a similar number of minor problems, plus a problem with
&gt; getting the linkage right between the xdr routines and the C++.  the
&gt; applib is currently refusing to link.
&gt;
&gt; However in the light of Michael's comments below, it is not clear
&gt; whether there is any point in continuing.  Maybe some sort of caveat
&gt; ought to be added to the buiklding instructions or in the wiki - the
&gt; manual currently implies that it can be built for Cygwin and there are
&gt; clearly significant problems to sort out.. which may be intractable.
&gt;
&gt; Regards,
&gt; Elwyn Davies
&gt;
&gt; -------- Original Message --------
&gt; Subject: 	Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not compile on Cygwin
&gt; Date: 	Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:38:01 -0800
&gt; From: 	Michael Demmer &lt;demmer@cs.berkeley.edu&gt;
&gt; To: 	Elwyn Davies &lt;elwynd@dial.pipex.com&gt;
&gt; CC: 	Delay Tolerant Networking Interest List
&gt; &lt;dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org&gt;
&gt; References: 	&lt;491AE958.3070001@dial.pipex.com&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Yes. There have been cygwin incompatibilities for some time. From what
&gt; I remember, getting things to compile in cygwin is a bit of a pain but
&gt; not fundamentally a challenge, however there was something more
&gt; fundamental in the threading and IO model that caused things to break
&gt; in cygwin. That may have been fixed with a newer version of cygwin,
&gt; but I haven't tried for some time.
&gt;
&gt; Also, I began an effort to port the code to use the Apache Portable
&gt; Runtime (APR) which would mean that the system could run natively on
&gt; either UNIX or Windows platforms. That work is currently checked in
&gt; under the apr-port branch.
&gt;
&gt; -mike
&gt;
&gt; On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Elwyn Davies  
&gt; &lt;elwynd@dial.pipex.com&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; Hi.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I have been trying to compile DTN2 v2.6.0 and Oasys v1.3.0 on  
&gt;&gt; Windows XP
&gt;&gt; SP2/Cygwin (version 1.5.25-15)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; There are 4 problems (so far):
&gt;&gt; io/FileUtils.cc:  rm_all_from_dir function does not compile because  
&gt;&gt; the
&gt;&gt; 'dirent structure does not contain 'd_type' on Cygwin
(line 133).   
&gt;&gt; This
&gt;&gt; field is only used when the 'recursive' flag is set - this
isn't  
&gt;&gt; used in
&gt;&gt; dtn, so commenting out the test for recursive delete  provides a  
&gt;&gt; workaround.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; io/TTY.h:  Lines 36-39:  cfgetispeed and  cfgetospeed are defined as
&gt;&gt; preprocessor macros in sys/termios.h rather than global functions.
&gt;&gt; Consequently both the declarations and the functions that use them in
&gt;&gt; FileUtils.cc do not compile.  AFAIK these functions are not used.  I
&gt;&gt; commented out the functions and the declarations to allow it to  
&gt;&gt; compile.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; io/TTY.h (Line 40) and ioTTY.cc(lines 96-101): There is no function
&gt;&gt; cfmakeraw in Cygwin.  hence the wrapper will not compile.  In order  
&gt;&gt; to
&gt;&gt; support
&gt;&gt; the standard DTN code, we need to define TTY::cfmakeraw() as a No- 
&gt;&gt; op in
&gt;&gt; oasys for cygwin.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Makefile:  'make install' fails.The shell script executed for
the  
&gt;&gt; target
&gt;&gt; 'installlibs' (lines 305-419) is not good 'bash' code.
  The   
&gt;&gt; '[' (test)
&gt;&gt; commends fail because the equality operator is '==' rather
than '='  
&gt;&gt; and
&gt;&gt; the $DESTDIR argument needs to be enclosed in double quotes to  
&gt;&gt; cater for
&gt;&gt; the empty string case (as is the default).  Also the SHLIB_EXT  
&gt;&gt; variable
&gt;&gt; doesn't seem to be defined.  the following fragment works (if  
&gt;&gt; SHLIB_EXT
&gt;&gt; := a is added):
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; installlib: installdirs
&gt;&gt;    [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
&gt;&gt;    [ x$(SHLIBS) == x ] || \
&gt;&gt;    for lib in lib/liboasys-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) \
&gt;&gt;               lib/liboasyscompat-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) ; do
\
&gt;&gt;        ($(INSTALL_PROGRAM) $$lib $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)) ; \
&gt;&gt;    done
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;    [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
&gt;&gt;    for lib in liboasys liboasyscompat ; do \
&gt;&gt;          (cd $(DESTDIR)$(libdir) &amp;&amp; rm -f $$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT)
&amp;&amp; \
&gt;&gt;           ln -s $$lib-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) $$lib.$ 
&gt;&gt; (SHLIB_EXT)) \
&gt;&gt;    done
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; There are problems with DTN as well.. I will report these separately.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Regards,
&gt;&gt; Elwyn
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; -- 
&gt; --------------------------------------------------------------------------
&gt; Folly Consulting Ltd, 60 The Butts, Soham, Ely, Cambridgeshire, CB7  
&gt; 5AW
&gt; Company number 6238664: Registered in the UK
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:34:16 +0000
From: Elwyn Davies &lt;elwynd@folly.org.uk&gt;
Subject: Re: [dtn-interest] [dtn-users] [Fwd: Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not
	compile on Cygwin]
To: Lloyd Wood &lt;L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk&gt;
Cc: DTN interest &lt;dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org&gt;,
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Hi, Lloyd.

On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 21:45 +0000, Lloyd Wood wrote:
&gt; Elwyn,
&gt; 
&gt; Previous list discussion of Cygwin stalled at the d_type problem.  
&gt; Appears you've found a simple workaround and found that d_type use is 

&gt; not essential to the dtn code.
Right!  Cheap hack.
&gt; 
&gt; My take is that you're already over the hard part for getting the dtn 

&gt; code to run, at least - but though cygwin can be convenient, it's  
&gt; rarely preferable for development, and not good for networking work  
&gt; (no multicast, no IPv6) or anything that stresses the filesystem  
&gt; (slow, weirdness in mapping unix behaviour to windows, odd piping  
&gt; behaviour too.)
The original intention was just to get it up and running to  provide me
with a couple of extra testing nodes 'for free'.  Well, TANSTAAFL!!!

Anyway after a deal of head scratching I now have runnable executables.
Whether they do what I need is the next question.  I have sent a message
to the users list documenting what I had to do. And it has provided me
with a chance to run around the code a little.

I'll discuss getting some patches in with Michael (possibly in
Minneapolis).
&gt; 
&gt; If you're familiar with Cygwin's weirdnesses, fine -- if not,
you'll  
&gt; be wondering if the behaviour you see is due to the program, or to  
&gt; running the program on cygwin.
Thanks for the warning!  At the moment I only want very simple
behaviour, so I'll see if it can provide.  I don't intend to do any
development on Cygwin anyway. I have Linux for that!

Cheers,
Elwyn 
&gt; 
&gt; cheers,
&gt; 
&gt; L.
&gt; 
&gt; On 12 Nov 2008, at 21:13, Folly Consulting wrote:
&gt; 
&gt; &gt; Stephen Farrell suggested the attached message might be usefully  
&gt; &gt; seen on
&gt; &gt; the users list.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Just to continue.  Having got oasys to compile I tried DTN 2.6.0.  It
&gt; &gt; appears it has a similar number of minor problems, plus a problem
with
&gt; &gt; getting the linkage right between the xdr routines and the C++.  the
&gt; &gt; applib is currently refusing to link.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; However in the light of Michael's comments below, it is not clear
&gt; &gt; whether there is any point in continuing.  Maybe some sort of caveat
&gt; &gt; ought to be added to the buiklding instructions or in the wiki - the
&gt; &gt; manual currently implies that it can be built for Cygwin and there
are
&gt; &gt; clearly significant problems to sort out.. which may be intractable.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Regards,
&gt; &gt; Elwyn Davies
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; -------- Original Message --------
&gt; &gt; Subject: 	Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not compile on Cygwin
&gt; &gt; Date: 	Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:38:01 -0800
&gt; &gt; From: 	Michael Demmer &lt;demmer@cs.berkeley.edu&gt;
&gt; &gt; To: 	Elwyn Davies &lt;elwynd@dial.pipex.com&gt;
&gt; &gt; CC: 	Delay Tolerant Networking Interest List
&gt; &gt; &lt;dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org&gt;
&gt; &gt; References: 	&lt;491AE958.3070001@dial.pipex.com&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Yes. There have been cygwin incompatibilities for some time. From
what
&gt; &gt; I remember, getting things to compile in cygwin is a bit of a pain
but
&gt; &gt; not fundamentally a challenge, however there was something more
&gt; &gt; fundamental in the threading and IO model that caused things to break
&gt; &gt; in cygwin. That may have been fixed with a newer version of cygwin,
&gt; &gt; but I haven't tried for some time.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Also, I began an effort to port the code to use the Apache Portable
&gt; &gt; Runtime (APR) which would mean that the system could run natively on
&gt; &gt; either UNIX or Windows platforms. That work is currently checked in
&gt; &gt; under the apr-port branch.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; -mike
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Elwyn Davies  
&gt; &gt; &lt;elwynd@dial.pipex.com&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; Hi.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I have been trying to compile DTN2 v2.6.0 and Oasys v1.3.0 on  
&gt; &gt;&gt; Windows XP
&gt; &gt;&gt; SP2/Cygwin (version 1.5.25-15)
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; There are 4 problems (so far):
&gt; &gt;&gt; io/FileUtils.cc:  rm_all_from_dir function does not compile
because  
&gt; &gt;&gt; the
&gt; &gt;&gt; 'dirent structure does not contain 'd_type' on Cygwin
(line 133).   
&gt; &gt;&gt; This
&gt; &gt;&gt; field is only used when the 'recursive' flag is set -
this isn't  
&gt; &gt;&gt; used in
&gt; &gt;&gt; dtn, so commenting out the test for recursive delete  provides a 

&gt; &gt;&gt; workaround.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; io/TTY.h:  Lines 36-39:  cfgetispeed and  cfgetospeed are defined
as
&gt; &gt;&gt; preprocessor macros in sys/termios.h rather than global
functions.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Consequently both the declarations and the functions that use
them in
&gt; &gt;&gt; FileUtils.cc do not compile.  AFAIK these functions are not used.
 I
&gt; &gt;&gt; commented out the functions and the declarations to allow it to  
&gt; &gt;&gt; compile.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; io/TTY.h (Line 40) and ioTTY.cc(lines 96-101): There is no
function
&gt; &gt;&gt; cfmakeraw in Cygwin.  hence the wrapper will not compile.  In
order  
&gt; &gt;&gt; to
&gt; &gt;&gt; support
&gt; &gt;&gt; the standard DTN code, we need to define TTY::cfmakeraw() as a
No- 
&gt; &gt;&gt; op in
&gt; &gt;&gt; oasys for cygwin.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Makefile:  'make install' fails.The shell script executed
for the  
&gt; &gt;&gt; target
&gt; &gt;&gt; 'installlibs' (lines 305-419) is not good 'bash'
code.   The   
&gt; &gt;&gt; '[' (test)
&gt; &gt;&gt; commends fail because the equality operator is '=='
rather than '='  
&gt; &gt;&gt; and
&gt; &gt;&gt; the $DESTDIR argument needs to be enclosed in double quotes to  
&gt; &gt;&gt; cater for
&gt; &gt;&gt; the empty string case (as is the default).  Also the SHLIB_EXT  
&gt; &gt;&gt; variable
&gt; &gt;&gt; doesn't seem to be defined.  the following fragment works (if
 
&gt; &gt;&gt; SHLIB_EXT
&gt; &gt;&gt; := a is added):
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; installlib: installdirs
&gt; &gt;&gt;    [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
&gt; &gt;&gt;    [ x$(SHLIBS) == x ] || \
&gt; &gt;&gt;    for lib in lib/liboasys-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) \
&gt; &gt;&gt;               lib/liboasyscompat-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) ;
do \
&gt; &gt;&gt;        ($(INSTALL_PROGRAM) $$lib $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)) ; \
&gt; &gt;&gt;    done
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;    [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
&gt; &gt;&gt;    for lib in liboasys liboasyscompat ; do \
&gt; &gt;&gt;          (cd $(DESTDIR)$(libdir) &amp;&amp; rm -f
$$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT) &amp;&amp; \
&gt; &gt;&gt;           ln -s $$lib-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) $$lib.$ 
&gt; &gt;&gt; (SHLIB_EXT)) \
&gt; &gt;&gt;    done
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; There are problems with DTN as well.. I will report these
separately.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Regards,
&gt; &gt;&gt; Elwyn
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
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Very cool!   Many years of hard work led up to this.

On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:26 PM, Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0) wrote:

> I would like to congratulate the folks at JPL and the DTNRG community
> for the Time Magazine 2008 top 10 Inventions recognition.  Apparently
> the ability to showcase DTN using the UK-DMC satellite and image
> transfer was decent publicity.  We were able to utilize what the
> community developed.  Thanks for you hard work.
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> http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic/shared/DTN/time0001.jpg
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Hi,

I have a Java implementation of the TCPCL as defined in the draft and it
interoperates fine with dtnd 2.6.0.

Your problem is this:
You set the length field of your DATA_SEGMENT wrong. You set it to 3b = 59
but the data in the contents is actually 66 bytes. Looking at your wireshark
dump, the first byte that gets cut off is 0x01, which the dtnd TCP CL then
interprets as as a new message of type 0x0 with the flag 0x1 exactly as you
see in the error message.

Cheers,
-Teemu


On 14.11.2008 3.03, "Kurtis Heimerl" <kheimerl@cs.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> Hello again DTN-interest. As I stated before, I'm working on a python
> implementation of the TCP Convergence Layer. In an effort to get off
> of Michael's back, I'm pushing my question here:
> 
> As it stands, the connection part of the CL is finished. I am
> attempting to send a bundle to the 2.6.0 DTN reference implementation.
> It's failing with the following erro message in DTN:
> 
> [1226623444.269794 /dtn/cl/tcp/conn/0x8520848 error] invalid CL
> message type code 0x0 (flags 0x1)
> [1226623444.269844 /timer debug] next timer due at 1226623445.775997,
> now 1226623444.269839 -- new timeout 1506
> 
> I've included the logs as an attachment.
> 
> Following this, I took a wireshark trace of the packets to determine
> what I'm doing wrong. Those are included as well, with only connection
> and data segments shown. The last transfer (17) is my attempted data
> transfer. Transfer 8 is DTN2's attempt as sending me a DTLSR bundle.
> 
> Both of them have 0x13 as the leading data item, which is what it
> should be. The CL message type for 0x13 should be 0x1, not 0x0 as the
> error indicates. So, the question is, what's going on? I know DTN2
> interoperates with itself, so it seems exceedingly unlikely this error
> message is correct. There's always the chance that I've misunderstood
> the standard, but that seems unlikely as my heartbeat packets are
> going along just fine.
> 
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I would like to congratulate the folks at JPL and the DTNRG community
for the Time Magazine 2008 top 10 Inventions recognition.  Apparently
the ability to showcase DTN using the UK-DMC satellite and image
transfer was decent publicity.  We were able to utilize what the
community developed.  Thanks for you hard work.

http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic/shared/DTN/time0001.jpg

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/printout/0,29239,1852747_1854
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Hello again DTN-interest. As I stated before, I'm working on a python
implementation of the TCP Convergence Layer. In an effort to get off
of Michael's back, I'm pushing my question here:

As it stands, the connection part of the CL is finished. I am
attempting to send a bundle to the 2.6.0 DTN reference implementation.
It's failing with the following erro message in DTN:

[1226623444.269794 /dtn/cl/tcp/conn/0x8520848 error] invalid CL
message type code 0x0 (flags 0x1)
[1226623444.269844 /timer debug] next timer due at 1226623445.775997,
now 1226623444.269839 -- new timeout 1506

I've included the logs as an attachment.

Following this, I took a wireshark trace of the packets to determine
what I'm doing wrong. Those are included as well, with only connection
and data segments shown. The last transfer (17) is my attempted data
transfer. Transfer 8 is DTN2's attempt as sending me a DTLSR bundle.

Both of them have 0x13 as the leading data item, which is what it
should be. The CL message type for 0x13 should be 0x1, not 0x0 as the
error indicates. So, the question is, what's going on? I know DTN2
interoperates with itself, so it seems exceedingly unlikely this error
message is correct. There's always the chance that I've misunderstood
the standard, but that seems unlikely as my heartbeat packets are
going along just fine.

Thanks!

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Hi, Lloyd.

On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 21:45 +0000, Lloyd Wood wrote:
> Elwyn,
> 
> Previous list discussion of Cygwin stalled at the d_type problem.  
> Appears you've found a simple workaround and found that d_type use is  
> not essential to the dtn code.
Right!  Cheap hack.
> 
> My take is that you're already over the hard part for getting the dtn  
> code to run, at least - but though cygwin can be convenient, it's  
> rarely preferable for development, and not good for networking work  
> (no multicast, no IPv6) or anything that stresses the filesystem  
> (slow, weirdness in mapping unix behaviour to windows, odd piping  
> behaviour too.)
The original intention was just to get it up and running to  provide me
with a couple of extra testing nodes 'for free'.  Well, TANSTAAFL!!!

Anyway after a deal of head scratching I now have runnable executables.
Whether they do what I need is the next question.  I have sent a message
to the users list documenting what I had to do. And it has provided me
with a chance to run around the code a little.

I'll discuss getting some patches in with Michael (possibly in
Minneapolis).
> 
> If you're familiar with Cygwin's weirdnesses, fine -- if not, you'll  
> be wondering if the behaviour you see is due to the program, or to  
> running the program on cygwin.
Thanks for the warning!  At the moment I only want very simple
behaviour, so I'll see if it can provide.  I don't intend to do any
development on Cygwin anyway. I have Linux for that!

Cheers,
Elwyn 
> 
> cheers,
> 
> L.
> 
> On 12 Nov 2008, at 21:13, Folly Consulting wrote:
> 
> > Stephen Farrell suggested the attached message might be usefully  
> > seen on
> > the users list.
> >
> > Just to continue.  Having got oasys to compile I tried DTN 2.6.0.  It
> > appears it has a similar number of minor problems, plus a problem with
> > getting the linkage right between the xdr routines and the C++.  the
> > applib is currently refusing to link.
> >
> > However in the light of Michael's comments below, it is not clear
> > whether there is any point in continuing.  Maybe some sort of caveat
> > ought to be added to the buiklding instructions or in the wiki - the
> > manual currently implies that it can be built for Cygwin and there are
> > clearly significant problems to sort out.. which may be intractable.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Elwyn Davies
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: 	Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not compile on Cygwin
> > Date: 	Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:38:01 -0800
> > From: 	Michael Demmer <demmer@cs.berkeley.edu>
> > To: 	Elwyn Davies <elwynd@dial.pipex.com>
> > CC: 	Delay Tolerant Networking Interest List
> > <dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org>
> > References: 	<491AE958.3070001@dial.pipex.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes. There have been cygwin incompatibilities for some time. From what
> > I remember, getting things to compile in cygwin is a bit of a pain but
> > not fundamentally a challenge, however there was something more
> > fundamental in the threading and IO model that caused things to break
> > in cygwin. That may have been fixed with a newer version of cygwin,
> > but I haven't tried for some time.
> >
> > Also, I began an effort to port the code to use the Apache Portable
> > Runtime (APR) which would mean that the system could run natively on
> > either UNIX or Windows platforms. That work is currently checked in
> > under the apr-port branch.
> >
> > -mike
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Elwyn Davies  
> > <elwynd@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> I have been trying to compile DTN2 v2.6.0 and Oasys v1.3.0 on  
> >> Windows XP
> >> SP2/Cygwin (version 1.5.25-15)
> >>
> >> There are 4 problems (so far):
> >> io/FileUtils.cc:  rm_all_from_dir function does not compile because  
> >> the
> >> 'dirent structure does not contain 'd_type' on Cygwin (line 133).   
> >> This
> >> field is only used when the 'recursive' flag is set - this isn't  
> >> used in
> >> dtn, so commenting out the test for recursive delete  provides a  
> >> workaround.
> >>
> >> io/TTY.h:  Lines 36-39:  cfgetispeed and  cfgetospeed are defined as
> >> preprocessor macros in sys/termios.h rather than global functions.
> >> Consequently both the declarations and the functions that use them in
> >> FileUtils.cc do not compile.  AFAIK these functions are not used.  I
> >> commented out the functions and the declarations to allow it to  
> >> compile.
> >>
> >> io/TTY.h (Line 40) and ioTTY.cc(lines 96-101): There is no function
> >> cfmakeraw in Cygwin.  hence the wrapper will not compile.  In order  
> >> to
> >> support
> >> the standard DTN code, we need to define TTY::cfmakeraw() as a No- 
> >> op in
> >> oasys for cygwin.
> >>
> >> Makefile:  'make install' fails.The shell script executed for the  
> >> target
> >> 'installlibs' (lines 305-419) is not good 'bash' code.   The   
> >> '[' (test)
> >> commends fail because the equality operator is '==' rather than '='  
> >> and
> >> the $DESTDIR argument needs to be enclosed in double quotes to  
> >> cater for
> >> the empty string case (as is the default).  Also the SHLIB_EXT  
> >> variable
> >> doesn't seem to be defined.  the following fragment works (if  
> >> SHLIB_EXT
> >> := a is added):
> >>
> >> installlib: installdirs
> >>    [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
> >>    [ x$(SHLIBS) == x ] || \
> >>    for lib in lib/liboasys-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) \
> >>               lib/liboasyscompat-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) ; do \
> >>        ($(INSTALL_PROGRAM) $$lib $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)) ; \
> >>    done
> >>
> >>    [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
> >>    for lib in liboasys liboasyscompat ; do \
> >>          (cd $(DESTDIR)$(libdir) && rm -f $$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT) && \
> >>           ln -s $$lib-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) $$lib.$ 
> >> (SHLIB_EXT)) \
> >>    done
> >>
> >>
> >> There are problems with DTN as well.. I will report these separately.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Elwyn
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Elwyn,

Previous list discussion of Cygwin stalled at the d_type problem.  
Appears you've found a simple workaround and found that d_type use is  
not essential to the dtn code.

My take is that you're already over the hard part for getting the dtn  
code to run, at least - but though cygwin can be convenient, it's  
rarely preferable for development, and not good for networking work  
(no multicast, no IPv6) or anything that stresses the filesystem  
(slow, weirdness in mapping unix behaviour to windows, odd piping  
behaviour too.)

If you're familiar with Cygwin's weirdnesses, fine -- if not, you'll  
be wondering if the behaviour you see is due to the program, or to  
running the program on cygwin.

cheers,

L.

On 12 Nov 2008, at 21:13, Folly Consulting wrote:

> Stephen Farrell suggested the attached message might be usefully  
> seen on
> the users list.
>
> Just to continue.  Having got oasys to compile I tried DTN 2.6.0.  It
> appears it has a similar number of minor problems, plus a problem with
> getting the linkage right between the xdr routines and the C++.  the
> applib is currently refusing to link.
>
> However in the light of Michael's comments below, it is not clear
> whether there is any point in continuing.  Maybe some sort of caveat
> ought to be added to the buiklding instructions or in the wiki - the
> manual currently implies that it can be built for Cygwin and there are
> clearly significant problems to sort out.. which may be intractable.
>
> Regards,
> Elwyn Davies
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Re: Oasys 1.3.0 does not compile on Cygwin
> Date: 	Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:38:01 -0800
> From: 	Michael Demmer <demmer@cs.berkeley.edu>
> To: 	Elwyn Davies <elwynd@dial.pipex.com>
> CC: 	Delay Tolerant Networking Interest List
> <dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org>
> References: 	<491AE958.3070001@dial.pipex.com>
>
>
>
> Yes. There have been cygwin incompatibilities for some time. From what
> I remember, getting things to compile in cygwin is a bit of a pain but
> not fundamentally a challenge, however there was something more
> fundamental in the threading and IO model that caused things to break
> in cygwin. That may have been fixed with a newer version of cygwin,
> but I haven't tried for some time.
>
> Also, I began an effort to port the code to use the Apache Portable
> Runtime (APR) which would mean that the system could run natively on
> either UNIX or Windows platforms. That work is currently checked in
> under the apr-port branch.
>
> -mike
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Elwyn Davies  
> <elwynd@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I have been trying to compile DTN2 v2.6.0 and Oasys v1.3.0 on  
>> Windows XP
>> SP2/Cygwin (version 1.5.25-15)
>>
>> There are 4 problems (so far):
>> io/FileUtils.cc:  rm_all_from_dir function does not compile because  
>> the
>> 'dirent structure does not contain 'd_type' on Cygwin (line 133).   
>> This
>> field is only used when the 'recursive' flag is set - this isn't  
>> used in
>> dtn, so commenting out the test for recursive delete  provides a  
>> workaround.
>>
>> io/TTY.h:  Lines 36-39:  cfgetispeed and  cfgetospeed are defined as
>> preprocessor macros in sys/termios.h rather than global functions.
>> Consequently both the declarations and the functions that use them in
>> FileUtils.cc do not compile.  AFAIK these functions are not used.  I
>> commented out the functions and the declarations to allow it to  
>> compile.
>>
>> io/TTY.h (Line 40) and ioTTY.cc(lines 96-101): There is no function
>> cfmakeraw in Cygwin.  hence the wrapper will not compile.  In order  
>> to
>> support
>> the standard DTN code, we need to define TTY::cfmakeraw() as a No- 
>> op in
>> oasys for cygwin.
>>
>> Makefile:  'make install' fails.The shell script executed for the  
>> target
>> 'installlibs' (lines 305-419) is not good 'bash' code.   The   
>> '[' (test)
>> commends fail because the equality operator is '==' rather than '='  
>> and
>> the $DESTDIR argument needs to be enclosed in double quotes to  
>> cater for
>> the empty string case (as is the default).  Also the SHLIB_EXT  
>> variable
>> doesn't seem to be defined.  the following fragment works (if  
>> SHLIB_EXT
>> := a is added):
>>
>> installlib: installdirs
>>    [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
>>    [ x$(SHLIBS) == x ] || \
>>    for lib in lib/liboasys-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) \
>>               lib/liboasyscompat-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) ; do \
>>        ($(INSTALL_PROGRAM) $$lib $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)) ; \
>>    done
>>
>>    [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
>>    for lib in liboasys liboasyscompat ; do \
>>          (cd $(DESTDIR)$(libdir) && rm -f $$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT) && \
>>           ln -s $$lib-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) $$lib.$ 
>> (SHLIB_EXT)) \
>>    done
>>
>>
>> There are problems with DTN as well.. I will report these separately.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Elwyn
>>
>
>
>
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Yes. There have been cygwin incompatibilities for some time. From what
I remember, getting things to compile in cygwin is a bit of a pain but
not fundamentally a challenge, however there was something more
fundamental in the threading and IO model that caused things to break
in cygwin. That may have been fixed with a newer version of cygwin,
but I haven't tried for some time.

Also, I began an effort to port the code to use the Apache Portable
Runtime (APR) which would mean that the system could run natively on
either UNIX or Windows platforms. That work is currently checked in
under the apr-port branch.

-mike

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Elwyn Davies <elwynd@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have been trying to compile DTN2 v2.6.0 and Oasys v1.3.0 on Windows XP
> SP2/Cygwin (version 1.5.25-15)
>
> There are 4 problems (so far):
> io/FileUtils.cc:  rm_all_from_dir function does not compile because the
> 'dirent structure does not contain 'd_type' on Cygwin (line 133).  This
> field is only used when the 'recursive' flag is set - this isn't used in
> dtn, so commenting out the test for recursive delete  provides a workaround.
>
> io/TTY.h:  Lines 36-39:  cfgetispeed and  cfgetospeed are defined as
> preprocessor macros in sys/termios.h rather than global functions.
> Consequently both the declarations and the functions that use them in
> FileUtils.cc do not compile.  AFAIK these functions are not used.  I
> commented out the functions and the declarations to allow it to compile.
>
> io/TTY.h (Line 40) and ioTTY.cc(lines 96-101): There is no function
> cfmakeraw in Cygwin.  hence the wrapper will not compile.  In order to
> support
> the standard DTN code, we need to define TTY::cfmakeraw() as a No-op in
> oasys for cygwin.
>
> Makefile:  'make install' fails.The shell script executed for the target
> 'installlibs' (lines 305-419) is not good 'bash' code.   The  '[' (test)
> commends fail because the equality operator is '==' rather than '=' and
> the $DESTDIR argument needs to be enclosed in double quotes to cater for
> the empty string case (as is the default).  Also the SHLIB_EXT variable
> doesn't seem to be defined.  the following fragment works (if SHLIB_EXT
> := a is added):
>
> installlib: installdirs
>     [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
>     [ x$(SHLIBS) == x ] || \
>     for lib in lib/liboasys-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) \
>                lib/liboasyscompat-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) ; do \
>         ($(INSTALL_PROGRAM) $$lib $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)) ; \
>     done
>
>     [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
>     for lib in liboasys liboasyscompat ; do \
>           (cd $(DESTDIR)$(libdir) && rm -f $$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT) && \
>            ln -s $$lib-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) $$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT)) \
>     done
>
>
> There are problems with DTN as well.. I will report these separately.
>
> Regards,
> Elwyn
>


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Hi.

I have been trying to compile DTN2 v2.6.0 and Oasys v1.3.0 on Windows XP
SP2/Cygwin (version 1.5.25-15)

There are 4 problems (so far):
io/FileUtils.cc:  rm_all_from_dir function does not compile because the
'dirent structure does not contain 'd_type' on Cygwin (line 133).  This
field is only used when the 'recursive' flag is set - this isn't used in
dtn, so commenting out the test for recursive delete  provides a workaround.

io/TTY.h:  Lines 36-39:  cfgetispeed and  cfgetospeed are defined as
preprocessor macros in sys/termios.h rather than global functions.
Consequently both the declarations and the functions that use them in
FileUtils.cc do not compile.  AFAIK these functions are not used.  I
commented out the functions and the declarations to allow it to compile.

io/TTY.h (Line 40) and ioTTY.cc(lines 96-101): There is no function
cfmakeraw in Cygwin.  hence the wrapper will not compile.  In order to support
the standard DTN code, we need to define TTY::cfmakeraw() as a No-op in oasys 
for cygwin.

Makefile:  'make install' fails.The shell script executed for the target
'installlibs' (lines 305-419) is not good 'bash' code.   The  '[' (test)
commends fail because the equality operator is '==' rather than '=' and
the $DESTDIR argument needs to be enclosed in double quotes to cater for
the empty string case (as is the default).  Also the SHLIB_EXT variable
doesn't seem to be defined.  the following fragment works (if SHLIB_EXT
:= a is added):

installlib: installdirs
      [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
      [ x$(SHLIBS) == x ] || \
      for lib in lib/liboasys-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) \
                 lib/liboasyscompat-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) ; do \
          ($(INSTALL_PROGRAM) $$lib $(DESTDIR)$(libdir)) ; \
      done

      [ "$(DESTDIR)" == . ] || \
      for lib in liboasys liboasyscompat ; do \
            (cd $(DESTDIR)$(libdir) && rm -f $$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT) && \
             ln -s $$lib-$(OASYS_VERSION).$(SHLIB_EXT) $$lib.$(SHLIB_EXT)) \
      done


There are problems with DTN as well.. I will report these separately.

Regards,
Elwyn


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Kurtis, I agreed to write an internet draft on the UDP convergence  
layers for the Bundle Protocol and LTP, at the last IETF.    
Unfortunately, other projects have made that a slow process.  We will  
have an informal draft for the DTNRG meeting next week, and will post  
a formal -00 draft shortly thereafter.   Fragmentation is one issue we  
want to reach consensus on, others include mandatory use of UDP  
checksums, a security section, and a few other small items.   Michael  
is correct in suggesting that this is going to be a small draft, but  
the handful of issues we have identified are worthwhile writing down.


On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Michael Demmer wrote:

> The TCP CL protocol is documented in an internet draft:
> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-dtnrg-tcp-clayer-02.txt
>
> The UDP CL has never been documented because there's really nothing
> there to document... it just takes bundles encoded using the bundle
> protocol and stuffs them into individual UDP datagrams. This means
> that the maximum bundle size that can be sent is 64K and there's no
> reliability or connection support to speak of.
>
> -m
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Kurtis Heimerl
> <kheimerl@eecs.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>> Michael was kind enough to have written most of the bundle sending
>> code, but I have begun the task of interfacing with the reference
>> implementation. Does anyone know where the TCP or UDP connection
>> protocols are documented? Some related projects reference something
>> called the "TCPCLA Protocol" which I can guess at, or reverse
>> engineer, but I'd prefer a more authoritative source if one existed.
>>
>> Thanks!
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The TCP CL protocol is documented in an internet draft:
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-dtnrg-tcp-clayer-02.txt

The UDP CL has never been documented because there's really nothing
there to document... it just takes bundles encoded using the bundle
protocol and stuffs them into individual UDP datagrams. This means
that the maximum bundle size that can be sent is 64K and there's no
reliability or connection support to speak of.

-m

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Kurtis Heimerl
<kheimerl@eecs.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> Michael was kind enough to have written most of the bundle sending
> code, but I have begun the task of interfacing with the reference
> implementation. Does anyone know where the TCP or UDP connection
> protocols are documented? Some related projects reference something
> called the "TCPCLA Protocol" which I can guess at, or reverse
> engineer, but I'd prefer a more authoritative source if one existed.
>
> Thanks!
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Hi All,

I've posted a draft agenda for MSP. [1]
Please let Kevin and I know if you've any
changes/additions.

Regards,
Stephen.

[1] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/agenda/DTNRG.html



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I posted a message yesterday about exactly this question.

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After reviewing everyone's comments, availability and conflicts, and while 
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So BBN will host a telecon concerning Bundle In Bundle issues on that data 
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HI Susan,

I think you're right. I thought that there was a need to know about he
encapsulation but can't remember why. So we'll leave it as-is.

Thanks.....Peter

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008, Symington, Susan F. <susan@mitre.org> wrote:

>Peter,
>
>Thanks for reviewing the document and for reminding us of the security
>tunnel use case for encapsulation.
>
>I may be missing something, but am not convinced that we should mandate
>that the "block must be replicated in every fragment" flag must be set
>in the BiB block, as you suggest. If the payload of the encapsulating
>bundle gets fragmented, I think it is okay if the bundles containing
>some of the fragments don't have a BiB block. This BiB block is only
>useful and necessary when the encapsulating bundle gets delivered; it
>doesn't serve any purpose when the bundle is being forwarded through
>the network. When all the fragments reach their destination and the
>original payload (which contains the encapsulated bundle or bundles) is
>reassembled, the BiB block will be there as part of the reassembled
>bundle, so it will be available when the encapsulating bundle is
>delivered. (The fragments can't be delivered separately; only
>reassembled bundles get delivered.) 
>
>Like I said, I may be missing something, but I think the I-D is okay
>(in this regard, at least) as currently specified.
>
>-susan
>*****************************************************************
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>******************************************************************
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Peter Lovell [mailto:peter.lovell@sparta.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:59 PM
>>To: Symington, Susan F.; Jon Shapiro; dtn interest
>>Subject: Re(2): [dtn-interest] Bundle-in-Bundle Encapsulation Issue
>>
>>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008, Symington, Susan F. <susan@mitre.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Hopefully some of your answers can be found in the I-D that I
>uploaded
>>>to the IETF website this morning
>>>(http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>>>draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-encapsulation-04.txt )
>>
>>Hi Susan,
>>
>>thanks for this doc -- I think it covers the issue well.
>>
>>I'll suggest one amendment -- we should specify that the "replicate in
>>every block" flag is set so that the BiB block is replicated if the
>>(encapsulated) payload becomes fragmented.
>>
>>There's an additional use case for BiB and that is to tunnel an entire
>>bundle between, say, security gateways. The primary block of a bundle
>>can't be encrypted for confidentiality since it contains the
>addresses,
>>but sometimes we might want to do exactly that. Doing BiB
>encapsulation
>>and encrypting the resultant bundle is the way to achieve this, and
>this
>>is mentioned in the BSP spec.
>>
>>Regards.....Peter
>





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Well I did most of the work in the new release, but I don't have a
list of all the things which have changed. You can find some
documentation in the RELEASE_NOTES file that I put together with the
distribution.

As to your specific question, no, the UDP convergence layer still
sends each bundle as a single UDP packet and therefore has a 64K
maximum packet size, and the bundle core does not properly apply
fragmentation to the bundle so that a bigger bundle would be sent as
multiple smaller ones. Thus in essence, when using UDP you have a
restriction to < 64K data bundles.

-mike

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Michael Demmer <mike@demmer.nu> wrote:
> Well I did most of the work in the new release, but I don't have a
> list of all the things which have changed. You can find some
> documentation in the RELEASE_NOTES file that I put together with the
> distribution.
>
> As to your specific question, no, the UDP convergence layer still
> sends each bundle as a single UDP packet and therefore has a 64K
> maximum packet size, and the bundle core does not properly apply
> fragmentation to the bundle so that a bigger bundle would be sent as
> multiple smaller ones. Thus in essence, when using UDP you have a
> restriction to < 64K data bundles.
>
> -mike
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:58 PM, vivek dave <vkdave1285@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello everyone, I just want to know who is currently responsible for
>> maintaining all the data and research work for the recently released latest
>> version of DTN 2.6 and whether the problems of the older version DTN2.5 are
>> solved with this new version or not…For example problems about the working
>> of DTN2 over UDP for file size greater than 65000 bytes…????...please reply
>> soon…thank you…
>>
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Hello everyone, I just want to know who is currently responsible for
maintaining all the data and research work for the recently released latest
version of DTN 2.6 and whether the problems of the older version DTN2.5 are
solved with this new version or not=85For example problems about the workin=
g
of DTN2 over UDP for file size greater than 65000 bytes=85????...please rep=
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Peter,

Thanks for reviewing the document and for reminding us of the security
tunnel use case for encapsulation.

I may be missing something, but am not convinced that we should mandate
that the "block must be replicated in every fragment" flag must be set
in the BiB block, as you suggest. If the payload of the encapsulating
bundle gets fragmented, I think it is okay if the bundles containing
some of the fragments don't have a BiB block. This BiB block is only
useful and necessary when the encapsulating bundle gets delivered; it
doesn't serve any purpose when the bundle is being forwarded through
the network. When all the fragments reach their destination and the
original payload (which contains the encapsulated bundle or bundles) is
reassembled, the BiB block will be there as part of the reassembled
bundle, so it will be available when the encapsulating bundle is
delivered. (The fragments can't be delivered separately; only
reassembled bundles get delivered.) 

Like I said, I may be missing something, but I think the I-D is okay
(in this regard, at least) as currently specified.

-susan
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Lovell [mailto:peter.lovell@sparta.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:59 PM
>To: Symington, Susan F.; Jon Shapiro; dtn interest
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>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008, Symington, Susan F. <susan@mitre.org> wrote:
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>>Hopefully some of your answers can be found in the I-D that I
uploaded
>>to the IETF website this morning
>>(http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>>draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-encapsulation-04.txt )
>
>Hi Susan,
>
>thanks for this doc -- I think it covers the issue well.
>
>I'll suggest one amendment -- we should specify that the "replicate in
>every block" flag is set so that the BiB block is replicated if the
>(encapsulated) payload becomes fragmented.
>
>There's an additional use case for BiB and that is to tunnel an entire
>bundle between, say, security gateways. The primary block of a bundle
>can't be encrypted for confidentiality since it contains the
addresses,
>but sometimes we might want to do exactly that. Doing BiB
encapsulation
>and encrypting the resultant bundle is the way to achieve this, and
this
>is mentioned in the BSP spec.
>
>Regards.....Peter




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hello friends,
                 The dtn research group has recently released a new version
of DTN which is dtn-2.6.0. that I saw on the website. But I want to know
that why they have released the new version. what is the reason behind it.
What are the new features in that new version. And what are the draw backs
in dtn-2.5.0???

Please if any of you can give me the answer....or if can send me the source
where I can find it that will be very helpfull for me....

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> Earlier rather than later obviously suits me:-)
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> noon/1pm EST would be ideal for me, if it gets later
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> Either 12th or 13th Nov are ok at that time.
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> S.
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> >
> >
> > -susan
> >
> >
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> > I am available until 4p EST on 11/12, and all day on 11/13.  Does
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hello friends, <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The dtn research group has recently released a new version of DTN which is dtn-2.6.0. that I saw on the website. But I want to know that why they have released the new version. what is the reason behind it. What are the new features in that new version. And what are the draw backs in dtn-2.5.0???<br>
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<br>
Earlier rather than later obviously suits me:-)<br>
<br>
noon/1pm EST would be ideal for me, if it gets later<br>
I might not be able to make it.<br>
<br>
Either 12th or 13th Nov are ok at that time.<br>
<br>
S.<br>
<br>
Symington, Susan F. wrote:<br>
&gt; I am available until 4PM EST on both days (11/12 and 11/13).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -susan<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; *****************************************************************<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Susan Symington<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The MITRE Corporation<br>
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&gt;<br>
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&gt;<br>
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&gt;<br>
&gt; It seems like 11/12 or 11/13 are good dates for people. &nbsp;So lets try<br>
&gt; those as targets.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I am available until 4p EST on 11/12, and all day on 11/13. &nbsp;Does<br>
&gt; anybody have restriction(s) on either days?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt; - Jon Shapiro<br>
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2008, Symington, Susan F. <susan@mitre.org> wrote:

>Hopefully some of your answers can be found in the I-D that I uploaded
>to the IETF website this morning
>(http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-encapsulation-04.txt )

Hi Susan,

thanks for this doc -- I think it covers the issue well.

I'll suggest one amendment -- we should specify that the "replicate in
every block" flag is set so that the BiB block is replicated if the
(encapsulated) payload becomes fragmented.

There's an additional use case for BiB and that is to tunnel an entire
bundle between, say, security gateways. The primary block of a bundle
can't be encrypted for confidentiality since it contains the addresses,
but sometimes we might want to do exactly that. Doing BiB encapsulation
and encrypting the resultant bundle is the way to achieve this, and this
is mentioned in the BSP spec.

Regards.....Peter




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Noon or 1pm EST works well for me on the 13th; 12th is tentative.

		--keith

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Earlier rather than later obviously suits me:-)

noon/1pm EST would be ideal for me, if it gets later
I might not be able to make it.

Either 12th or 13th Nov are ok at that time.

S.

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>  
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> It seems like 11/12 or 11/13 are good dates for people.  So lets try
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Earlier rather than later obviously suits me:-)

noon/1pm EST would be ideal for me, if it gets later
I might not be able to make it.

Either 12th or 13th Nov are ok at that time.

S.

Symington, Susan F. wrote:
> I am available until 4PM EST on both days (11/12 and 11/13).
> 
>  
> 
> -susan
> 
>  
> 
> *****************************************************************
> 
> Susan Symington
> 
> The MITRE Corporation
> 
> susan@mitre.org
> 
> 703-983-7209 (voice)
> 
> 703-983-7142 (fax)
> 
> ******************************************************************
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> *From:* dtn-interest-bounces@maillists.intel-research.net
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> *Jon Shapiro
> *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 4:31 PM
> *To:* dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org
> *Subject:* Re: [dtn-interest] Bundle-in-Bundle Encapsulation Issue
> 
>  
> 
> It seems like 11/12 or 11/13 are good dates for people.  So lets try
> those as targets.
> 
> I am available until 4p EST on 11/12, and all day on 11/13.  Does
> anybody have restriction(s) on either days?
> 
> Thanks!
> - Jon Shapiro
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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> 
> BBN Technologies
> 10 Moulton St.
> Cambridge MA, 02138
> 
> (617) 873-4383
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