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It's confused, which one we need to follow? -- Thanks Shirley Ma IBM Linux Technology Center _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon May 3 15:04:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20898 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 15:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKiZY-0007ou-Ci for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:53:48 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i43IrmvU030061 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 May 2004 14:53:48 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKiLX-0004XP-Ou for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:39:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19437 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 14:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKiLV-00047X-48 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:39:17 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKiKV-0003yG-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:38:17 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKiJc-0003qF-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:37:20 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKi4m-0007r7-OY; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:22:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKhv8-0005hc-6k for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:12:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17459 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 14:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKhv5-0000na-Ni for dhcwg@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:11:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKhuC-0000hr-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:11:05 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKhtU-0000ZR-00; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:10:20 -0400 Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i43I9kW9020592; Mon, 3 May 2004 11:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rdroms-w2k01.cisco.com ([161.44.65.168]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id AIC61594; Mon, 3 May 2004 14:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503135215.02b13dd8@flask.cisco.com> X-Sender: rdroms@flask.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:09:40 -0400 To: minutes@ietf.org From: Ralph Droms Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org, margaret@thingmagic.com, narten@us.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_246879293==_" Subject: [dhcwg] Minutes from interim dhc WG meeting Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 --=====================_246879293==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Attached are the minutes from two phone calls held by the dhc WG to discuss draft-ietf-dhc-implementation-01.txt, which addresses issues identified by implementors of RFC 2131. The phone calls took place 2004-02-23 and 2004-02-25. The minutes include a list of participants on each phone call. My apologies for the late submission. I wrote up the notes and submitted them for review to the call participants, but neglected to follow up by formally submitting the minutes... - Ralph --=====================_246879293==_ Content-Type: text/plain; name="20040225-RFC2131-issues-minutes.txt"; x-mac-type="42494E41"; x-mac-creator="74747874" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="20040225-RFC2131-issues-minutes.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 ICAgICAgIE1pbnV0ZXMgZnJvbSBjb25mIGNhbGwgb24gUkZDMjEzMSBpbXBsZW1lbnRhdGlvbiBp c3N1ZXMKCQkJICAgICBXZWQgMi8yNS8wNAogICAgICAgLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQoKUGFydGljaXBhbnRzOiBSYWxwaCBEcm9t cyAocmRyb21zQGNpc2NvLmNvbSkKICAgICAgICAgICAgICBCYXJyIEhpYmJzIChyYmhpYmJzQHBh Y2JlbGwubmV0KQogICAgICAgICAgICAgIEtpbSBLaW5uZWFyIChra2luZWVhckBjaXNjby5jb20p CiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgQW5kcmUgS29zdHVyIChBbmRyZUBpbmNvZ25pdG8uY29tKQogICAgICAg ICAgICAgIFJvYiBTdGV2ZW5zIChyb2JzQGNydXppby5jb20pCgpJbmNsdXNpb24gb2YgREhDUElO 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with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKidb-0006E4-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:57:59 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.endeavor.poss.com by endeavor.poss.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) id <0HX500101J0E8R@endeavor.poss.com> for dhcwg@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kan1 (user213.net456.oh.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.141.213]) by endeavor.poss.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HX500MSLJBQC4@endeavor.poss.com>; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:57:26 -0400 From: "Kevin A. Noll" Subject: RE: [dhcwg] DHCP server supports BOOTP client In-reply-to: <200405031108.44346.mashirle@us.ibm.com> To: Shirley Ma Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I think the correct interpretation would be that the server MUST be able to support BOOTP clients, but the system administrator MUST be able to determine how BOOTP requests are handled. If you re-read Section 2, Paragraph 1 of RFC 1534, I think you'll see that this interpretation is implied. There appears to be a consensus on this because most DHCP servers do it this way. --kan-- > -----Original Message----- > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of > Shirley Ma > Sent: Monday, 03 May, 2004 2:09 PM > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > Subject: [dhcwg] DHCP server supports BOOTP client > > > In RFC 1534, Section 2. BOOTP clients and DHCP servers > In summary, a DHCP server: > . May suppport BOOTP client > > In RFC 2131, section 1.6 Design goals > . DHCP must provide service to existing BOOTP clients. > > It's confused, which one we need to follow? > > -- > Thanks > Shirley Ma > IBM Linux Technology Center > > _______________________________________________ > dhcwg mailing list > dhcwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg > _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon May 3 16:03:51 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA26069 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 16:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKjYy-0005bz-7W for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:57:16 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i43JvG74021567 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 May 2004 15:57:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKjKI-0002h8-3g for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:42:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24915 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 15:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKjKG-0003vm-JV for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:42:04 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKjJN-0003oj-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:41:09 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKjIp-0003hA-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:40:35 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKjCV-0006Wj-1H; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:34:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKiyt-0003W9-Pl for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:19:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23405 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 15:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKiys-0001Sc-Ib for dhcwg@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:19:58 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKiy7-0001M1-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:19:12 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKixR-0001Bx-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 15:18:29 -0400 Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i43JHtWB000774; Mon, 3 May 2004 12:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rdroms-w2k01.cisco.com ([161.44.65.168]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id AIC68309; Mon, 3 May 2004 15:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503151126.02b61840@flask.cisco.com> X-Sender: rdroms@flask.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:17:50 -0400 To: Shirley Ma From: Ralph Droms Subject: Re: [dhcwg] DHCP server supports BOOTP client Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <200405031108.44346.mashirle@us.ibm.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 The two statements are subtly different. The design goal from RFC 2131 (which is not particularly well-worded) is aimed at compatibility of the DHCP specification with BOOTP clients. The statement from RFC 1534 is intended to allow but not require that any specific DHCP server provide BOOTP service. A DHCP server can be compliant with RFC 2131 without providing service to BOOTP clients... - Ralph At 11:08 AM 5/3/2004 -0700, Shirley Ma wrote: >In RFC 1534, Section 2. BOOTP clients and DHCP servers > In summary, a DHCP server: > . May suppport BOOTP client > >In RFC 2131, section 1.6 Design goals > . DHCP must provide service to existing BOOTP clients. > >It's confused, which one we need to follow? > >-- >Thanks >Shirley Ma >IBM Linux Technology Center > >_______________________________________________ >dhcwg mailing list >dhcwg@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon May 3 18:33:40 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08977 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 18:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKlxM-0000Rs-1a for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:30:36 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i43MUa1A001720 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 May 2004 18:30:36 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKlhP-0004B8-Lq for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:14:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA07702 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 18:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKlhM-0003t2-R1 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:14:04 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKlgK-0003m6-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:13:01 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKlfl-0003fQ-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:12:25 -0400 Received: from c-67-174-68-157.client.comcast.net ([67.174.68.157]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BKlfm-0001st-KZ for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:12:26 -0400 Received: from 118.85.176.203 by 67.174.68.157; Mon, 03 May 2004 22:05:39 -0100 Message-ID: From: "Alonzo Small" Reply-To: "Alonzo Small" To: dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org Subject: "politically and socially?"" 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I'm  student in the university = Duisburg-Essen in Germany.Now I have a task to develop and implement an = automatic Set-Up-Mechanism for Plug-and-Play IP Cameras.With this = mechanism,the camera by connection with IP-Network can automatic = register on the Sever- and Monitoring-System, transfer the main = parameters of the camera and create a data-connection.I'm new in this = field.I don't know whether this task concerns the DHCP.So could you give = me any informations or methods about it?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C431E3.7E058166-- ------=_NextPartTM-000-7406c994-6500-4c44-98cf-518c40e2446e-- _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 5 20:27:31 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA22165 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLWhJ-0007qW-Q5 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:25:10 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i460P9dK030158 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:25:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLWgI-0007T8-2A for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:24:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA22086 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLWgF-00071D-W4 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:24:03 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLWfG-0006j2-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:23:03 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLWeF-0006Mz-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:21:59 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLWbN-0005Zq-1o; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:19:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLWVh-0003T1-Qg for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:13:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA21705 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLWVf-0003k2-PO for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:13:07 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLWUg-0003S5-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:12:06 -0400 Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLWTq-0002t8-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:11:15 -0400 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) id <0HX900AGRN5WKU@mailout1.samsung.com> for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 09:10:44 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp1 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HX900LVGN5P6K@mailout1.samsung.com> for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 09:10:37 +0900 (KST) Received: from LocalHost ([168.219.202.103]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HX900AOLN5O5H@mmp1.samsung.com> for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 09:10:37 +0900 (KST) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 09:11:02 +0900 From: "S. Daniel Park" Subject: RE: [dhcwg] dhc WG last call on draft-ietf-dhc-rapid-commit-opt In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20040420112559.02f34e78@flask.cisco.com> To: "'Ralph Droms'" , dhcwg@ietf.org Cc: "'S. Daniel Park'" Message-id: <006a01c432fe$a118de20$67cadba8@LocalHost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have received below comments on this draft during 2nd WGLC and modifying it. - editorial comment: s/physical/physical subnet in Section 3.1 - word strength: s/SHOULD/MUST in Section 4 - Regarding RFC-2131 text, it still remains without change. clear enough for moving forward ? or anything else ? Regards. - Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park) - Mobile Platform Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics. > -----Original Message----- > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Ralph Droms > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:30 AM > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > Subject: [dhcwg] dhc WG last call on draft-ietf-dhc-rapid-commit-opt > > > This message announces a WG last call on "Rapid Commit Option > for DHCPv4" > . The last call will > conclude at 5PM EDT > on 4/30/2004. > > Please respond to this WG last call. If you support acceptance of the > document without change, respond with a simple acknowledgment, so that > support for the document can be assessed. Note that this is a new > last call on this document, which was revised after comment recieved > during the WG last call that ended on 4/15/2004. > > draft-ietf-dhc-rapid-commit-opt defines a new DHCPv4 option, > modeled on > the DHCPv6 Rapid Commit option, for obtaining IP address and > configuration > information using a 2-message exchange rather than the usual > 4- message > exchange, expediting client configuration. 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I can either: 1. Include the interim minutes to the DHC wg page (http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/04mar/135.htm ) after the slides section with out giving your group time to approve the contents, before the making of the Master CD-Rom for these proceedings. or 2. Make the Master CD-Rom with the existing information of the IETF Proceedings and include the interim minutes only on the Web-Version of the Proceedings. Today is the day that I make the CD-Rom for mass production. I'm afraid to delay the production, to allow your group time to give approval for the changes to your groups page. Please let me know your decision ASAP today. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me directly. Thank you. At 02:09 PM 5/3/2004, Ralph Droms wrote: >Attached are the minutes from two phone calls held by the dhc WG to discuss >draft-ietf-dhc-implementation-01.txt, which addresses issues identified by >implementors of RFC 2131. The phone calls took place 2004-02-23 and >2004-02-25. > >The minutes include a list of participants on each phone call. > >My apologies for the late submission. I wrote up the notes and submitted >them for review to the call participants, but neglected to follow up by >formally submitting the minutes... > >- Ralph > > Rebecca F. Bunch _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 6 14:01:49 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA07937 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLn0Z-0002Uz-Ix for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:50:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i46Ho7eZ009569 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 6 May 2004 13:50:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLmh7-00010z-HA for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:30:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05029 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 13:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLmh5-0007gW-Ir for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:29:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLmfc-0006yv-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:28:29 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLmdg-0005x8-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:26:28 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BLmdg-0002nw-Sz for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:26:29 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLmOD-00038X-8T; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:10:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLlSM-0002bq-C0 for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:10:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA24199 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLlSL-0004x5-24 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:10:41 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLlP7-0003n8-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:07:23 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLlLy-0002Tp-00; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:04:07 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 May 2004 08:58:25 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i46G3YYu018444; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdroms-w2k01.cisco.com ([161.44.65.168]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id AIE86581; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040506120158.02d41008@flask.cisco.com> X-Sender: rdroms@flask.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 12:03:29 -0400 To: Rebecca Bunch From: Ralph Droms Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Re: Minutes from interim dhc WG meeting Cc: minutes@ietf.org, dhcwg@ietf.org, margaret@thingmagic.com, narten@us.ibm.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.9.2.20040506094113.02baab90@odin> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503135215.02b13dd8@flask.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Rebecca - the participants in the interim meeting have already reviewed and approved the minutes, so they should be OK for inclusion in the IETF-59 proceedings. So, if it's not too late, please go ahead and include the minutes from the interim meeting in the IETF 59 proceeding CD-ROM. Thanks... - Ralph At 09:48 AM 5/6/2004 -0400, Rebecca Bunch wrote: >Ralph, > >I need to put a choice to you about the inclusion of the interim minutes >to the IETF-59 Proceedings. > >I can either: > >1. Include the interim minutes to the DHC wg page >(http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/04mar/135.htm ) after the slides section >with out giving your group time to approve the contents, before the making >of the Master CD-Rom for these proceedings. > >or > >2. Make the Master CD-Rom with the existing information of the IETF >Proceedings and include the interim minutes only on the Web-Version of the >Proceedings. > >Today is the day that I make the CD-Rom for mass production. I'm afraid >to delay the production, to allow your group time to give approval for the >changes to your groups page. > >Please let me know your decision ASAP today. If you have any other >questions, please feel free to contact me directly. > >Thank you. > > >At 02:09 PM 5/3/2004, Ralph Droms wrote: >>Attached are the minutes from two phone calls held by the dhc WG to discuss >>draft-ietf-dhc-implementation-01.txt, which addresses issues identified by >>implementors of RFC 2131. The phone calls took place 2004-02-23 and >>2004-02-25. >> >>The minutes include a list of participants on each phone call. >> >>My apologies for the late submission. I wrote up the notes and submitted >>them for review to the call participants, but neglected to follow up by >>formally submitting the minutes... >> >>- Ralph >> > >Rebecca F. 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We were on the theatre of the last divers= ions=20.=20subtlety From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 11 10:52:56 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01160 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNYWE-00028J-LN for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:46:07 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4BEk6iw008199 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:46:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNYT7-0001CR-8D for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:42:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA00345 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNYT4-0002qc-UA for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:42:51 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNYS5-0002RA-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:41:50 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNYR6-00021e-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:40:48 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNYAr-0005QG-Ga; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:24:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNPKn-0006yN-Bo for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 00:57:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA01516 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 00:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNPKk-0006iL-Jv for dhcwg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 00:57:38 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNPJq-0006MG-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 00:56:43 -0400 Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNPJH-0005zI-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 00:56:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i4B4tZd14121; Tue, 11 May 2004 07:55:35 +0300 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:55:35 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org cc: dhcwg@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [dhcwg] Review requested: draft-daniel-dhc-ipv6in4-opt-03.txt Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 (co-chair hat on) DHC WG is considering whether to adopt draft-daniel-dhc-ipv6in4-opt-03.txt as their work item for signalling IPv6-in-IPv4 endpoint in DHCPv4. DHC WG has asked to get feedback whether this would be applicable in the IPv6 transition process. For a more generic look on the tunnel end-point discovery, please have a look at draft-palet-v6ops-tun-auto-disc-00.txt (feedback is welcome on that on v6ops list as well, but please use a separate thread). So, (1) please review the document and send feedback on v6ops list, or both v6ops and dhc lists. (2) please consider whether this would be applicable in the transition process and send feedback to v6ops list. In particular, please consider at least: a. which scenario(s) would this be applicable to? b. which mechanism(s) would this be applicable to? c. if multiple mechanisms, would it be needed to distinguish which mechanism's end-point this is applicable to? d. what more is needed to make this applicable as this only solves one part of the problem (i.e., how does the server end configure the tunnel, i.e., learn the client's IPv4 address?) e. whether we have yet enough knowledge of these issues to go forward and specifying the option, or whether we should work e.g., on the mechanisms first. Please send feedback within a week, by 17th May. (hat off) For what it's worth, my personal take is that this is work that may be worth doing, but it is still too early to take it as dhc WG item, because there are still too many unknowns on the field especially regarding: - which specific mechanisms this would be applicable to (2.c), and - we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle in order yet (2.d). _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 11 10:59:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01754 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNYcA-0003Pa-6Z for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:52:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4BEqED5013106 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:52:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNYVH-0001qC-Nc for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:45:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA00561 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNYVF-0003hZ-BG for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:45:05 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNYUH-0003IH-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:44:06 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNYTX-0002tY-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:43:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNYEk-0006Tg-5j; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:28:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNGnp-0005wR-Qp for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:51:05 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29252 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nobody by optimus.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 1BNGm0-0005Td-IT; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:49:12 -0400 X-test-idtracker: no To: IETF-Announce :; From: The IESG Reply-to: iesg@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:49:12 -0400 Subject: [dhcwg] Last Call: 'Reclassifying DHCPv4 Options' to Proposed Standard Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,TO_HAS_SPACES autolearn=no version=2.60 The IESG has received a request from the Dynamic Host Configuration WG to consider the following document: - 'Reclassifying DHCPv4 Options ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2004-05-24. 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Forward looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as: "projects", "foresee", "expects", "estimates", "believes", "understands", "will", "anticipates", or that by statements indicating certain actions "may", "could", or "might" occur. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, stocks, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. Stock Mogul Team advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice. In compliance with Section 17(b), we disclose the holdings of 20,000 independently purchased shares of srge prior to the publication of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such holdings due to our intent to profit from the liquidation of these shares. Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive statements have been made regarding the above company. ----FC6DA3810BB8B16E-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 12 03:59:59 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA14960 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNoZM-0007b6-Ld for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:54:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4C7sOag029204 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:54:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNoVC-0006cu-BI for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:50:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA14352 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNoV7-0004CK-K5 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:50:01 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNoUA-0003iR-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:49:03 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNoSr-0002nO-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:47:42 -0400 Received: from c-24-0-89-247.client.comcast.net ([24.0.89.247]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BNoSq-0005RL-V9 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:47:41 -0400 Received: from 15.14.233.220 by 24.0.89.247; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:42:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ursula Bland" Reply-To: "Ursula Bland" To: dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org Subject: Soaring hot pick with clear signals for greater price increases Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 01:48:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--85E83743CB48D7386C" X-Originating-IP: 65.246.255.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG, LINES_OF_YELLING,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,MIME_HTML_ONLY, MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI autolearn=no version=2.60 ----85E83743CB48D7386C Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable **SRGE***SRGE***SRGE***SRGE***SRGE***SRGE** Market Undervalue Opening Price: 1.00 7 Day Target: 2.65 1 Month Target: 3.80 Outstanding Shares: 16.5 million Public Float: 3.4 million Explosive short term trading profits in a new technology issue (Ticker: SRGE) are being predicted for May 11-May 17 as many significant news releases indicate strong contractual revenues with major Telecom firms. MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND HUGE NEWSLETTER COVERAGE THIS WEEK FOR SRGE! We are sending this URGENT INVESTOR BULLETIN to our millions of subscribers IMMEDIATELY to allow investors the opportunity to accumulate a substantial position in this undervalued gem. Surge Technologies Corp. (SRGE) is the latest new pick where the stage is set for a tremendous advance. This company deserves your immediate attention! Stock Mogul Team found a new winner yet again! SRGE has been successfully working with Telecommunications giants (with five million subscriber lines) over the last 4 years, but is now projecting "a banner expansion year with geometric growth in revenues" due largely to sales demands for their innovative patented products and expansion into International telecom markets. Surge Technologies, Inc. (SRGE) is a cutting-edge leader that designs, develops, manufactures, and markets superior patented outside plant electrical surge protection equipment for the telecommunications industry. The US sales projections for this market are $4 Billion annually, with this figure growing rapidly as the expansion of new HDSL and ADSL technologies permeate the industry. SRGE just announced two major contracts totaling $5 Million, making their shares grossly undervalued based upon conservative EPS estimates. This is just the tip of the iceberg and we expect a continuous flow of huge news announcements detailing the highly profitable chain of events to follow for SRGE in the near future. We can state from our judicious research that we are not alone in viewing SRGE as one of those extremely rare opportunities where the impact of major news events simultaneously boosts the value of a company while ultimately providing substantial reward for its shareholders. SRGE provides the Telecom industry with the highest quality "protection element" for complex digital switches. Protecting these Telecom switching devices is crucial to inclusive components that are sensitive to interruptions in voltage which can cause extensive network damage, thus negating costly and time-consuming repair and down-time. Major Telecoms require this protection throughout their network in order to prevent the hazards of harming personnel, damaging expensive equipment, and massive system failures. How many times have you seen issues explode but you couldn't get your hands on them or didn't have the right information in time? We are alerting you now to a special Company with a unique technology that is on the forefront of a breakout! We are excited about SRGE's technology and expansion as they prepare to ink deal after deal with Major US Telecoms in conjunction with dramatic increases in revenue for 2004 and 2005. SRGE has made phenomenal advancements but may be one of the few stocks left in this industry group that is unknown and undervalued, therefore a 300%-400% jump may wind up being conservative. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Information within this email contains "forward looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, goals, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking statements". Forward looking statements are based upon expectations, estimates and projections, at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as: "projects", "foresee", "expects", "estimates", "believes", "understands", "will", "anticipates", or that by statements indicating certain actions "may", "could", or "might" occur. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, stocks, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. Stock Mogul Team advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice. In compliance with Section 17(b), we disclose the holdings of 20,000 independently purchased shares of srge prior to the publication of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such holdings due to our intent to profit from the liquidation of these shares. Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive statements have been made regarding the above company. ----85E83743CB48D7386C-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 12 04:46:52 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA14961 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNoZN-0007bX-8P for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:54:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4C7sPTF029226 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:54:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNoVn-0006m1-Ut for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:50:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA14372 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNoVl-0004ep-Cq for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:50:41 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNoUq-0004AV-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:49:45 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNoTp-0003QV-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:48:41 -0400 Received: from cs2424237-202.hot.rr.com ([24.242.37.202]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BNoTp-0005Rz-32 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:48:41 -0400 Received: from 15.14.233.220 by 24.0.89.247; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:42:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ursula Bland" Reply-To: "Ursula Bland" To: dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org Subject: Soaring hot pick with clear signals for greater price increases Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 01:48:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--85E83743CB48D7386C" X-Originating-IP: 65.246.255.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG, LINES_OF_YELLING,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,MIME_HTML_ONLY, MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI autolearn=no version=2.60 ----85E83743CB48D7386C Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable **SRGE***SRGE***SRGE***SRGE***SRGE***SRGE** Market Undervalue Opening Price: 1.00 7 Day Target: 2.65 1 Month Target: 3.80 Outstanding Shares: 16.5 million Public Float: 3.4 million Explosive short term trading profits in a new technology issue (Ticker: SRGE) are being predicted for May 11-May 17 as many significant news releases indicate strong contractual revenues with major Telecom firms. MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND HUGE NEWSLETTER COVERAGE THIS WEEK FOR SRGE! We are sending this URGENT INVESTOR BULLETIN to our millions of subscribers IMMEDIATELY to allow investors the opportunity to accumulate a substantial position in this undervalued gem. Surge Technologies Corp. (SRGE) is the latest new pick where the stage is set for a tremendous advance. This company deserves your immediate attention! Stock Mogul Team found a new winner yet again! SRGE has been successfully working with Telecommunications giants (with five million subscriber lines) over the last 4 years, but is now projecting "a banner expansion year with geometric growth in revenues" due largely to sales demands for their innovative patented products and expansion into International telecom markets. Surge Technologies, Inc. (SRGE) is a cutting-edge leader that designs, develops, manufactures, and markets superior patented outside plant electrical surge protection equipment for the telecommunications industry. The US sales projections for this market are $4 Billion annually, with this figure growing rapidly as the expansion of new HDSL and ADSL technologies permeate the industry. SRGE just announced two major contracts totaling $5 Million, making their shares grossly undervalued based upon conservative EPS estimates. This is just the tip of the iceberg and we expect a continuous flow of huge news announcements detailing the highly profitable chain of events to follow for SRGE in the near future. We can state from our judicious research that we are not alone in viewing SRGE as one of those extremely rare opportunities where the impact of major news events simultaneously boosts the value of a company while ultimately providing substantial reward for its shareholders. SRGE provides the Telecom industry with the highest quality "protection element" for complex digital switches. Protecting these Telecom switching devices is crucial to inclusive components that are sensitive to interruptions in voltage which can cause extensive network damage, thus negating costly and time-consuming repair and down-time. Major Telecoms require this protection throughout their network in order to prevent the hazards of harming personnel, damaging expensive equipment, and massive system failures. How many times have you seen issues explode but you couldn't get your hands on them or didn't have the right information in time? We are alerting you now to a special Company with a unique technology that is on the forefront of a breakout! We are excited about SRGE's technology and expansion as they prepare to ink deal after deal with Major US Telecoms in conjunction with dramatic increases in revenue for 2004 and 2005. SRGE has made phenomenal advancements but may be one of the few stocks left in this industry group that is unknown and undervalued, therefore a 300%-400% jump may wind up being conservative. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Information within this email contains "forward looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, goals, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking statements". Forward looking statements are based upon expectations, estimates and projections, at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as: "projects", "foresee", "expects", "estimates", "believes", "understands", "will", "anticipates", or that by statements indicating certain actions "may", "could", or "might" occur. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, stocks, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. Stock Mogul Team advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice. In compliance with Section 17(b), we disclose the holdings of 20,000 independently purchased shares of srge prior to the publication of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such holdings due to our intent to profit from the liquidation of these shares. Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive statements have been made regarding the above company. ----85E83743CB48D7386C-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 13 17:29:12 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA16457 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BONZl-000856-R4 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:17:09 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4DLH9iJ031052 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:17:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BON64-00045B-RA for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:46:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12146 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BON62-0003Ar-R3 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:46:26 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BON4w-0002ZR-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:45:18 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BON3l-0001f2-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:44:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOMkq-0004vX-4y; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:24:32 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOM7E-0004Q4-73 for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 15:43:36 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA09109; Thu, 13 May 2004 15:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200405131943.PAA09109@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:43:33 -0400 Subject: [dhcwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dhc-rapid-commit-opt-03.txt Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 14 09:05:31 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19619 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOcJ7-00061j-BI for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:00:57 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4ED0vS7023167 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:00:57 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOcCX-0004hd-QF for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:54:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19156 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BOcCW-0003ay-Bf for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:54:08 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BOcBZ-00036L-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:53:10 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BOcAx-0002cS-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:52:31 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOc7Z-0003fv-4Y; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:49:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BObv3-00015Q-AC for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:36:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA18214 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BObv2-0002M4-4f for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:36:04 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BObu2-0001rF-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:35:03 -0400 Received: from shuttle.wide.toshiba.co.jp ([202.249.10.124]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BObt9-0001Ls-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:34:07 -0400 Received: from ocean.jinmei.org (unknown [3ffe:501:100f:1048:96f:69a3:96a3:6369]) by shuttle.wide.toshiba.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161541525D for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:33:56 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:34:10 +0900 Message-ID: From: JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= To: dhcwg@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: Research & Development Center, Toshiba Corp., Kawasaki, Japan. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [dhcwg] question about NoPrefixAvail in DHCPv6 advertisement Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Hello, I have a question about the following part of RFC3633 (Prefix Options for DHCPv6): 11.2. Delegating router behavior [...] If the delegating router will not assign any prefixes to any IA_PDs in a subsequent Request from the requesting router, the delegating router MUST send an Advertise message to the requesting router that includes the IA_PD with no prefixes in the IA_PD and a Status Code option in the IA_PD containing status code NoPrefixAvail and a status message for the user, a Server Identifier option with the delegating router's DUID and a Client Identifier option with the requesting router's DUID. Why should the delegating router include the IA_PD option(s) as well as the status code option (for NoPrefixAvail)? According to the condition that "the router will not assign *any prefixes* to *any IA_PDs*", it should be enough to include the status code only. In fact, in the similar condition of RFC3315 a DHCPv6 server just include a status code option with NoAddrsAvail: If the server will not assign any addresses to any IAs in a subsequent Request from the client, the server MUST send an Advertise message to the client that includes only a Status Code option with code NoAddrsAvail and a status message for the user, a Server Identifier option with the server's DUID, and a Client Identifier option with the client's DUID. I don't see any fundamental differences between the two cases. Moreover, the description for the counterpart at the requesting router seems to not be consistent very much with the above description for the delegating router. In section 11.1, RFC3633 says: The requesting router MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a Status Code option containing the value NoPrefixAvail, with the exception that the requesting router MAY display the associated status message to the user. It seems to me that this description does not assume the IA_PD option containing a Status Code option (with NoPrefixAvail). Rather, the intention seems to be an advertisement only containing a status code option. To be more concrete, consider the following example. 1. the requesting router sends a DHCPv6 solicit message that includes two IA_PD options: solicit: IA_PD (IAID=1, T1, T2), IA_PD(IAID=2, T1, T2) 2. unfortunately, the delegating router cannot assign any prefix to any IA_PDs specified by the requesting router. According to section 11.2, the delegating router sends a DHCPv6 advertisement like this: advertisement: IA_PD (IAID=1, T1, T2, StatusCode(NoPrefixAvail)), IA_PD (IAID=1, T1, T2, StatusCode(NoPrefixAvail)) 3. the delegating router receives the advertisement. The intention of section 11.1 is probably that the delegating router must ignore the advertisement. The intention looks sane, but the description of the specification is not very clear. It says: The requesting router MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a Status Code option containing the value NoPrefixAvail, so, can the requesting router ignore the advertisement by simply seeing the first StatusCode with NoPrefixAvail containing in the first IA_PD? Or, is the requesting router expected to parse the entire advertisement and to make the decision to ignore the advertisement only after confirming all the IA_PD options contain StatusCode with NoPrefixAvail? What should the requesting router do if the first IA_PD contains NoPrefixAvail but the second one does not? I personally think the behavior described in RFC3633 is not the best one, and should be revised to be consistent with RFC3315. It should probably be too late, however, and if so, I believe we should at least clarify the point and make a separate internet draft clarifying this point (which will hopefully be merged to the PD specification when it is ready for becoming a DS). Otherwise, this might be a serious interoperability issue. JINMEI, Tatuya Communication Platform Lab. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 >>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:34:10 +0900, >>>>> JINMEI Tatuya said: > 2. unfortunately, the delegating router cannot assign any prefix to > any IA_PDs specified by the requesting router. According to > section 11.2, the delegating router sends a DHCPv6 advertisement > like this: > advertisement: IA_PD (IAID=1, T1, T2, StatusCode(NoPrefixAvail)), > IA_PD (IAID=1, T1, T2, StatusCode(NoPrefixAvail)) ^^^^^^^this should be "IAID=2". Sorry for the confusing typo. JINMEI, Tatuya Communication Platform Lab. 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This draft is a work item of the Dynamic Host Configuration Working Group of the IETF. Title : Vendor-Identifying Vendor Options for DHCPv4 Author(s) : J. Littlefield Filename : draft-ietf-dhc-vendor-02.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2004-5-18 The DHCP options for Vendor Class and Vendor-Specific Information can be ambiguous when a DHCP client represents multiple vendors. This document defines two new options, modeled on the IPv6 options for vendor class and vendor-specific information, which contain Enterprise Numbers to remove ambiguity. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dhc-vendor-02.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. 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Multiple instances of this option may be present, and MUST be concatenated in accordance with RFC 3396 [4]. An Enterprise Number SHOULD only occur once among all instances of this option. Behavior is undefined if an Enterprise Number occurs multiple times. The information for each Enterprise Number is treated independently, regardless or whether it occurs in an option with other Enterprise Numbers, or in a separate option." While I agree that it is very difficult to specify appropriate behavior of the server if a client sends [apparently] ambiguous data (i.e., multiple instances of an Enterprise Number), I'm becoming less and less favorably disposed towards protocol behavior that is undefined or implementation-dependent. I'd prefer to see something like the following: "An Enterprise Number MUST only occur once among all instances of this option. If an Enterprise Number occurs more than once, despite this restriction, a DHCPv4 server SHOULD process only the LAST instance." I suggest this wording because I believe that the MUST is what you really intend in this section, and the second proposed sentence specifies what would happen if a client violates the restriction. I'm open to suggestions and other opinions about this, however. --Barr _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 18 23:24:08 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA08975 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQHeY-0004pk-L9 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:21:58 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4J3LwHW018581 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:21:58 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQHc1-0004Gr-4W for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:19:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA08762 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQHbz-0002xM-A2 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:19:19 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQHb3-0002s7-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:18:22 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQHa4-0002mM-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:17:20 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BQHZz-00084V-Mm for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:17:15 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQHTy-0003MZ-2X; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:11:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQHSA-00036s-El for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:09:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA08163 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQHS6-0001uG-HF for dhcwg@ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:09:06 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQHQY-0001nL-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:07:33 -0400 Received: from endeavor.poss.com ([198.70.184.137] helo=smtp.poss.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQHPP-0001dO-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:06:19 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.endeavor.poss.com by endeavor.poss.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) id <0HXX00001XSQUL@endeavor.poss.com> for dhcwg@ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kan1 (user188.net390.oh.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.75.188]) by endeavor.poss.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HXX0005GXXKFZ@endeavor.poss.com> for dhcwg@ietf.org; Tue, 18 May 2004 23:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:05:48 -0400 From: "Kevin A. Noll" In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20040503151126.02b61840@flask.cisco.com> To: dhcwg@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [dhcwg] Client behavior with Parameter Request List Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Section 4.4.1 of RFC 2131 says "If the client included a list of requested parameters in a DHCPDISCOVER message, it MUST include that list in all subsequent messages". I can't find any statement as to what should happen if the client *does not* include the list. Clearly it would be a protocol violation and therefore a broken client if it didn't, but what should the server do about it? I assume it should drop the message. Taking this to a different level of discussion - I question the purpose of making this requirement. I can understand why you would want to require options like "Client Identifier" to always be sent, I'm not sure why the parameter request list must always be included. --kan-- -- Kevin A. Noll, KD4WOZ CCIE 10948, CCDP Perfect Order, Inc. 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    ----270181404592896-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 19 18:36:04 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25555 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQZbH-0003dx-Mm for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:31:48 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4JMVlmF014005 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:31:47 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQZTt-0001IV-Ii for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:24:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA24976 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQZTq-0002wX-GU for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:24:06 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQZSu-0002pR-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:23:09 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQZSK-0002jN-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:22:32 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQZIC-0003Sr-B2; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:12:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQZ6s-0004NC-EZ for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:00:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA22798 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQZ6p-0000Id-Kg for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:00:19 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQZ5t-0000BN-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 17:59:22 -0400 Received: from toccata.fugue.com ([204.152.186.142]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQZ5P-00003V-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 17:58:51 -0400 Received: from [128.177.194.120] (dhcp-120.engr.nominum.com [128.177.194.120]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386D21B2482; Wed, 19 May 2004 16:45:18 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org From: Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Client behavior with Parameter Request List Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:58:49 -0700 To: "Kevin A. Noll" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 18, 2004, at 8:05 PM, Kevin A. Noll wrote: > I can't find any statement as to what should happen if the client > *does not* include the list. Clearly it would be a protocol violation > and therefore a broken client if it didn't, but what should the > server do about it? I assume it should drop the message. > > Taking this to a different level of discussion - I question the > purpose of making this requirement. I can understand why you > would want to require options like "Client Identifier" to always > be sent, I'm not sure why the parameter request list must always > be included. The intent was that the client must do this if it expects to get a consistent response from the DHCP server. Of course you should not drop the packet if it doesn't follow this. The point is that you don't have to bend over backwards to be consistent if the client violates this restriction. _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 19 21:39:08 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04416 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQcTm-0006iC-24 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:36:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4K1aEQY025801 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:36:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQcQE-00063I-3o for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:32:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04069 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQcQB-0002lg-7r for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:32:31 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQcP6-0002bg-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:31:24 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQcOT-0002Sh-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:30:45 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQcJv-0004nY-Q6; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:26:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQcFH-00038S-4Z for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:21:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA03575 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQcFE-0001H5-Ad for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:21:12 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQcEO-00019m-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:20:21 -0400 Received: from endeavor.poss.com ([198.70.184.137] helo=smtp.poss.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQcDk-0000zH-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:19:40 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.endeavor.poss.com by endeavor.poss.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) id <0HXZ00C01NBPTO@endeavor.poss.com> for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kan1 (user188.net390.oh.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.75.188]) by endeavor.poss.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HXZ000I1NNSFZ@endeavor.poss.com>; Wed, 19 May 2004 21:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 21:19:04 -0400 From: "Kevin A. Noll" Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Client behavior with Parameter Request List In-reply-to: To: Ted Lemon Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT That makes sense. Thanks! Now, I wonder if any server implementations actually check this. --kan-- > -----Original Message----- > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Ted > Lemon > Sent: Wednesday, 19 May, 2004 5:59 PM > To: Kevin A. Noll > Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Client behavior with Parameter Request List > > > On May 18, 2004, at 8:05 PM, Kevin A. Noll wrote: > > > I can't find any statement as to what should happen if the client > > *does not* include the list. Clearly it would be a protocol violation > > and therefore a broken client if it didn't, but what should the > > server do about it? I assume it should drop the message. > > > > Taking this to a different level of discussion - I question the > > purpose of making this requirement. I can understand why you > > would want to require options like "Client Identifier" to always > > be sent, I'm not sure why the parameter request list must always > > be included. > > The intent was that the client must do this if it expects to get a > consistent response from the DHCP server. Of course you should not > drop the packet if it doesn't follow this. The point is that you > don't have to bend over backwards to be consistent if the client > violates this restriction. > > > _______________________________________________ > dhcwg mailing list > dhcwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg > _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 19 22:49:13 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA07635 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQdbM-0006mT-Po for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:48:09 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4K2m8dW026061 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:48:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQdWi-0005Qp-Rw for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:43:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA07342 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQdWf-000595-ER for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:43:17 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQdVp-00050G-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:42:26 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQdV5-0004qb-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:41:39 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQdSY-0004OK-3E; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:39:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQdLz-0002K2-CN for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:32:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06891 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQdLv-0003XR-TO for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:32:12 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQdL0-0003OA-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:31:15 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQdK4-00036u-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:30:16 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 May 2004 19:29:56 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i4K2Tg30010136; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from volzw2k (che-vpn-cluster-2-183.cisco.com [10.86.242.183]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id AIP86736; Wed, 19 May 2004 22:29:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bernie Volz" To: "'CTO YAN Renxiang'" , Subject: RE: [dhcwg] difference of domain name and FQDN option Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:29:39 -0400 Organization: Cisco Message-ID: <000001c43e12$4d4b9930$6401a8c0@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.5709 In-Reply-To: <8634B809B90D6E4AACA4AB0562A1F07223187A@bellnet-mail3.sbell.com.cn> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Domain name is the default domain the host is in (such as alcatel-sbell.com.cn). Usually, this gets appended to names entered on = the client when trying to do DNS resolution - so if you enter http://www/, = the resolver would look up www.alcatel-sbell.com.cn. FQDN is the = fully-qualified domain of the host - this might be myhost.alcatel-sbell.com.cn. Generally speaking, the FQDN is likely the "host-name" option + "." + = the "domain name" option, but this doesn't have to be case. - Bernie Volz > -----Original Message----- > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of CTO YAN Renxiang > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:44 AM > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > Subject: [dhcwg] difference of domain name and FQDN option >=20 >=20 >=20 > Does any one could explain the different usage of domain name=20 > option (15) and FQDN option (81)? >=20 > regards, >=20 > Yan Renxiang > Research&Innovation Center, > Alcatel Shanghai Bell Co.,Ltd. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dhcwg mailing list > dhcwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg >=20 _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 20 01:45:26 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA15419 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQgKH-0005IH-BP for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:42:41 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4K5gfIH020343 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:42:41 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQgEE-00046I-2p for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:36:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA14991 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQgEA-0000HT-Vb for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:36:23 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQgDB-00009B-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:35:22 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQgCn-00000F-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:34:57 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQg8z-00037T-3q; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:31:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQg2b-0001cT-Gk for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:24:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA14527 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQg2Y-0006Fy-G4 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:24:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQg1Z-00064o-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:23:21 -0400 Received: from toccata.fugue.com ([204.152.186.142]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQg0i-0005ve-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 01:22:28 -0400 Received: from [209.233.46.87] (adsl-209-233-46-87.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.233.46.87]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6968F1B231D; Thu, 20 May 2004 00:08:52 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org From: Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Client behavior with Parameter Request List Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:22:27 -0700 To: "Kevin A. Noll" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 19, 2004, at 6:19 PM, Kevin A. Noll wrote: > Now, I wonder if any server implementations actually check this. I would guess that none do - the whole point of that is that you don't have to. _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 20 07:23:15 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA12324 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQlcO-0006Fp-Qn for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:21:45 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4KBLid0024040 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:21:44 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQlXf-0005Ta-CB for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:16:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA11908 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQlXe-0005nc-NJ for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:16:50 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQlWi-0005Zr-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:15:53 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQlW8-0005Mg-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:15:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQlKe-0002U5-UE; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:03:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQl4N-0008FJ-NS for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:46:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10719 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQl4J-0007f3-Fb for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:46:31 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQl3M-0007U1-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:45:33 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQl2T-000795-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:44:37 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 May 2004 03:47:35 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i4KAi530005640; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdroms-w2k01.cisco.com (che-vpn-cluster-1-49.cisco.com [10.86.240.49]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id AIQ03119; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040520064145.02b56ba8@flask.cisco.com> X-Sender: rdroms@flask.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 06:43:51 -0400 To: "'CTO YAN Renxiang'" , From: Ralph Droms Subject: RE: [dhcwg] difference of domain name and FQDN option In-Reply-To: <000001c43e12$4d4b9930$6401a8c0@amer.cisco.com> References: <8634B809B90D6E4AACA4AB0562A1F07223187A@bellnet-mail3.sbell.com.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Also, option 81 has not yet been specified as a Standard; it is defined in Internet Draft draft-ietf-dhc-fqdn-option-06.txt - Ralph At 10:29 PM 5/19/2004 -0400, Bernie Volz wrote: >Domain name is the default domain the host is in (such as >alcatel-sbell.com.cn). Usually, this gets appended to names entered on the >client when trying to do DNS resolution - so if you enter http://www/, the >resolver would look up www.alcatel-sbell.com.cn. FQDN is the fully-qualified >domain of the host - this might be myhost.alcatel-sbell.com.cn. > >Generally speaking, the FQDN is likely the "host-name" option + "." + the >"domain name" option, but this doesn't have to be case. > >- Bernie Volz > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of CTO YAN Renxiang > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:44 AM > > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > > Subject: [dhcwg] difference of domain name and FQDN option > > > > > > > > Does any one could explain the different usage of domain name > > option (15) and FQDN option (81)? > > > > regards, > > > > Yan Renxiang > > Research&Innovation Center, > > Alcatel Shanghai Bell Co.,Ltd. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dhcwg mailing list > > dhcwg@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg > > > > >_______________________________________________ >dhcwg mailing list >dhcwg@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 20 13:52:29 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06719 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQrdb-0006id-1D for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:47:23 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4KHlN87025827 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:47:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQrTA-00044Q-BU for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:36:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05442 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQrT8-0002ey-63 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:36:34 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQrRF-0002OQ-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:34:38 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQrP7-0001y6-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:32:25 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQrD7-0008PP-Fi; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:20:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQr6Z-0006Ym-Eg for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:13:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA03128 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQr6X-0007iw-GQ for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:13:13 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQr5S-0007aK-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:12:07 -0400 Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.170.84]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQr4b-0007UX-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:11:14 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO BarrH63p601) (rbhibbs@pacbell.net@63.193.193.52 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2004 16:37:30 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Richard Barr Hibbs" To: "Dhcwg" Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Client behavior with Parameter Request List Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:47:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Lemon > > On May 18, 2004, at 8:05 PM, Kevin A. Noll wrote: > > > I can't find any statement as to what should > > happen if the client *does not* include the list. > > Clearly it would be a protocol violation > > and therefore a broken client if it didn't, but > > what should the server do about it? I assume it > > should drop the message. > > > > The intent was that the client must do this if it > expects to get a consistent response from the DHCP > server. Of course you should not drop the packet > if it doesn't follow this. The point is that you > don't have to bend over backwards to be > consistent if the client violates this restriction. > Ted-- while I agree that servers should be "liberal in what they accept, strict in what they send," this is a good example of the questions that arise [and must be settled by agreements outside the text of RFCs] when the protocol behavior is not tightly specified. One shouldn't have to mandate absolutely every behavior in an RFC, but I think your summary of the point would make an excellent correction for RFC2131bis.... "A client MUST send a consistent Parameter Request List if it expects the DHCP server to provide consistent responses to DHCPDISCOVER and DHCPREQUEST messages. If a client does not send a consistent Parameter Request List, the server MAY choose to resolve any conflicts according to [local] implementation policy, which is not specified by this memo." --Barr _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 20 15:01:32 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12022 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQsW2-0006Pg-Jj for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:43:38 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4KIhcLh024653 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:43:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQsUP-0005j7-IF for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:41:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA10792 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQsUM-0001Wf-PR for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:41:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQsTX-0001R1-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:41:04 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQsSn-0001Lr-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:40:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQsE5-0008Ma-Cs; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:25:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQsAz-0007LN-L3 for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:21:54 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA08952 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQsAw-00079h-IK for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:21:50 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQs9w-00073V-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:20:49 -0400 Received: from toccata.fugue.com ([204.152.186.142]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQs90-0006xK-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:19:50 -0400 Received: from [128.177.194.120] (dhcp-120.engr.nominum.com [128.177.194.120]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62DE1B2765; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:06:08 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <481EBF5A-AA8A-11D8-9337-000A95D9C74C@nominum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Dhcwg" From: Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Client behavior with Parameter Request List Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:19:49 -0700 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 20, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Richard Barr Hibbs wrote: > "A client MUST send a consistent Parameter Request List if > it expects the DHCP server to provide consistent responses > to DHCPDISCOVER and DHCPREQUEST messages. If a client does > not send a consistent Parameter Request List, the server MAY > choose to resolve any conflicts according to [local] > implementation policy, which is not specified by this memo." Yes, we should definitely update the text. I think it needs a bit more thought, though - what are we really trying to accomplish? I think there is very little we actually can require here without placing an undue burden on implementation. I would suggest that the only time that consistency between DHCP server responses is even desirable is between the initial DHCPOFFER and DHCPACK. As long as the client sends the same options in its DHCPDISCOVER that it sends in its DHCPACK, it should get the same answers back. The server should not, however, be required to implement this behavior across restarts or reconfiguration events, although it certainly may. The client should be allowed to restart the configuration process if it receives inconsistent results, and the server should be required to be consistent in its response if it has _not_ been reconfigured. Consistency from the initial DHCPACK to the renewal DHCPACK isn't really possible, IMHO, so we shouldn't require it. That is, we could just save what we sent to the client last time, but that actually would be really bad, and we've seen the badness that it causes, because old versions of Windows assumed parameters would not change. What happens is that when network server addresses change, the clients don't pick up the change, and this results in a management nightmare. _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 20 17:44:21 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA28157 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQvA7-0007pX-CH for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:33:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4KLXB5v030098 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:33:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQuvu-0000u1-Tc for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:18:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA25468 for ; 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To: dhcwg@ietf.org Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:49:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200405211049.33733.Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: <dhcwg.ietf.org> List-Post: <mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I know that this issue was already discussed on the list but I ran into a problem which I would like to clarify here. Seemingly the only way for getting the default router information is to make use of the RA. So when I'm using dhcpv6 and want get the default router information is it a MUST to use the RA for this pourpose? I could not find any statement in any of the RFC/drafts saying that. I mean for the time being I cannot see any other possibility. There might be scenarios where the use of RA is not desired and prefering to have a dhcpv6 option carrying this information along. If the use of RA is not a MUST I think we need a new option. Thanks, Cristian _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 21 09:07:15 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29195 for <dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BR9R2-0005Mn-7Y for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:47:36 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4LCla89020629 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:47:36 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BR9OJ-0004Q6-4w for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:44:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27748 for <dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BR9OH-0002WS-Sd for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:44:45 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BR9NJ-0002HG-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:43:46 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BR9MO-000245-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:42:48 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BR94X-0007Xt-1h; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:24:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BR8Q0-0007Jz-6L for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 07:42:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA25169 for <dhcwg@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 07:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BR8Pz-0006bK-Cw for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 07:42:27 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BR8Oy-0006QS-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 07:41:25 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BR8Nx-00065M-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 07:40:21 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 May 2004 04:43:29 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i4LBdk32011571; Fri, 21 May 2004 07:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from volzw2k (che-vpn-cluster-1-102.cisco.com [10.86.240.102]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id AIR09323; Fri, 21 May 2004 07:39:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bernie Volz" <volz@cisco.com> To: "'Cristian Cadar'" <Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de>, <dhcwg@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 07:39:45 -0400 Organization: Cisco Message-ID: <000601c43f28$50c3fdc0$6601a8c0@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.5709 In-Reply-To: <200405211049.33733.Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: <dhcwg.ietf.org> List-Post: <mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be far better to have *ONE* way in which this information is configured and as RAs already provide it, use that mechanism. If you can come up with a VERY GOOD motivation for why DHCPv6 needs to have an option to specify routing information, feel free to write it up and submit it (personal submission draft) and request for it to be considered a Working Group item. - Bernie > -----Original Message----- > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Cristian Cadar > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:50 AM > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > Subject: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 > > > > Hi, > > I know that this issue was already discussed on the list but > I ran into a problem which I would like to clarify here. > Seemingly the only way for getting the default router > information is to make use of > the RA. So when I'm using dhcpv6 and want get the default > router information > is it a MUST to use the RA for this pourpose? I could not > find any statement in any of the RFC/drafts saying that. I > mean for the time being I cannot see any other possibility. > There might be scenarios where the use of RA is not desired > and prefering to have a dhcpv6 option carrying this > information along. If the use of RA is not a MUST I think we > need a new option. > > > Thanks, > Cristian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dhcwg mailing list > dhcwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg > _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 21 12:46:38 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14319 for <dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRD0Z-0004xF-RG for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:36:32 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4LGaVVl019046 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:36:31 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRCuM-0003Dx-BD for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:30:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12758 for <dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRCuK-0001we-UK for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:30:04 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRCtN-0001qT-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:29:06 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRCsm-0001mD-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:28:28 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRCX5-0003om-82; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:06:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRCFS-0007Ym-Uy for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:47:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA10149 for <dhcwg@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRCFR-0007Bd-Q8 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:47:49 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRCEh-000783-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:47:04 -0400 Received: from tokyo.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.2] helo=tokyo.ccrle.nec.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRCE0-00072x-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:46:20 -0400 Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i4LFjmDW080928 for <dhcwg@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 17:45:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cadar.office (cadar.office [10.1.1.118]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id E7D7F4E7E2 for <dhcwg@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 17:45:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Cristian Cadar <Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de> Organization: NEC Europe Ltd. To: dhcwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:46:27 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <000601c43f28$50c3fdc0$6601a8c0@amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c43f28$50c3fdc0$6601a8c0@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200405211746.27193.Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: <dhcwg.ietf.org> List-Post: <mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bernie I agree completely with you having only one solution for that, I raised the question since I had not found any statement saying that "When use statefull dhcpv6 MUST use RA for getting the default route information" On the other hand having for instance an IPv6 network with 100 subnets I would not feel like installing and managing the radvd daemon on all of the routers in the network just to make the default router information available for the clients, instead I'd rather configure it through a statefull dhcpv6 server for all clients of the network. Cristian On Friday 21 May 2004 13:39, Bernie Volz wrote: > It would be far better to have *ONE* way in which this information is > configured and as RAs already provide it, use that mechanism. > > If you can come up with a VERY GOOD motivation for why DHCPv6 needs to have > an option to specify routing information, feel free to write it up and > submit it (personal submission draft) and request for it to be considered a > Working Group item. > > - Bernie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Cristian Cadar > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:50 AM > > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > > Subject: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I know that this issue was already discussed on the list but > > I ran into a problem which I would like to clarify here. > > Seemingly the only way for getting the default router > > information is to make use of > > the RA. So when I'm using dhcpv6 and want get the default > > router information > > is it a MUST to use the RA for this pourpose? I could not > > find any statement in any of the RFC/drafts saying that. I > > mean for the time being I cannot see any other possibility. > > There might be scenarios where the use of RA is not desired > > and prefering to have a dhcpv6 option carrying this > > information along. If the use of RA is not a MUST I think we > > need a new option. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Cristian > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dhcwg mailing list > > dhcwg@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg > > > > -- ________________________________________________________ | Cristian Cadar cadar@netlab.nec.de | Network Laboratories Heidelberg NEC Europe Ltd. | Kurfuerstenanlage 36 D 69115 Heidelberg | Tel. (+49) 6221 90511-21 Fax: (+49) 6221 90511-55 | URL: http://www.netlab.nec.de/heidelberg/index.html | ________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 21 13:09:31 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15692 for <dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 13:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRDVQ-0004Bl-Hu for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 13:08:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4LH8OfA016100 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 13:08:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRDKA-0001VA-JZ for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:56:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15080 for <dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRDK8-00048y-Os for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:56:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRDJM-00045b-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:55:57 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRDIf-00040f-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:55:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRDEg-0000J9-Nx; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:51:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRD4X-00067l-WC for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:40:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13970 for <dhcwg@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRD4W-0002vQ-Dy for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:40:36 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRD3n-0002qW-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:39:51 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRD2w-0002eu-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:38:58 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 May 2004 09:42:08 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i4LGcN32015243; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from volzw2k (che-vpn-cluster-1-102.cisco.com [10.86.240.102]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id AIR35146; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bernie Volz" <volz@cisco.com> To: "'Cristian Cadar'" <Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de>, <dhcwg@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:37:09 -0400 Organization: Cisco Message-ID: <001e01c43f51$dc983540$6601a8c0@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.5709 In-Reply-To: <200405211746.27193.Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: <dhcwg.ietf.org> List-Post: <mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no statement in RFC3315 because there doesn't need to be one. See the IPv6 specifications (such as RFC 2462, 2461) as these cover the IPv6 requirements. I also don't understand your "100 subnets [perfixes or links?]" situation ... You've got to configure the routers anyway, so they already have all of the information! (Though they could use DHCPv6 & prefix delegation!!) - Bernie > -----Original Message----- > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Cristian Cadar > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:46 AM > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 > > > Hi Bernie > > I agree completely with you having only one solution for > that, I raised the question since I had not found any > statement saying that "When use statefull dhcpv6 MUST use RA > for getting the default route information" > > On the other hand having for instance an IPv6 network with > 100 subnets I would not > feel like installing and managing the radvd daemon on all of > the routers in the network just to make the default router > information available for the clients, instead I'd rather > configure it through a statefull dhcpv6 server for all > clients of the network. > > Cristian > > > On Friday 21 May 2004 13:39, Bernie Volz wrote: > > It would be far better to have *ONE* way in which this > information is > > configured and as RAs already provide it, use that mechanism. > > > > If you can come up with a VERY GOOD motivation for why > DHCPv6 needs to > > have an option to specify routing information, feel free to > write it > > up and submit it (personal submission draft) and request > for it to be > > considered a Working Group item. > > > > - Bernie > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On > > > Behalf Of Cristian Cadar > > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:50 AM > > > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > > > Subject: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I know that this issue was already discussed on the list but > > > I ran into a problem which I would like to clarify here. > > > Seemingly the only way for getting the default router > > > information is to make use of > > > the RA. So when I'm using dhcpv6 and want get the default > > > router information > > > is it a MUST to use the RA for this pourpose? I could not > > > find any statement in any of the RFC/drafts saying that. I > > > mean for the time being I cannot see any other possibility. > > > There might be scenarios where the use of RA is not desired > > > and prefering to have a dhcpv6 option carrying this > > > information along. If the use of RA is not a MUST I think we > > > need a new option. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cristian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dhcwg mailing list > > > dhcwg@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg > > > > > > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > | Cristian Cadar cadar@netlab.nec.de > | Network Laboratories Heidelberg NEC Europe Ltd. > | Kurfuerstenanlage 36 D 69115 Heidelberg > | Tel. 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Fri, 21 May 2004 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blixten (punchin-nordmark.SFBay.Sun.COM [192.9.61.11]) by bebop.France.Sun.COM (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with SMTP id i4LHRRQ15436; Fri, 21 May 2004 19:27:28 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Nordmark <Erik.Nordmark@sun.com> Reply-To: Erik Nordmark <Erik.Nordmark@sun.com> Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 To: Cristian Cadar <Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de> Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org In-Reply-To: "Your message with ID" <200405211746.27193.Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de> Message-ID: <Roam.SIMC.2.0.6.1085160450.26689.nordmark@bebop.france> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: <dhcwg.ietf.org> List-Post: <mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 > On the other hand having for instance an IPv6 network with 100 subnets I > would not feel like installing and managing the radvd daemon on all of the > routers in the network just to make the default router information > available for the clients, instead I'd rather configure it through a > statefull dhcpv6 server for all clients of the network. But the router advertisements are needed to provide the on-link prefixes to the hosts in addition to the default router. And that isn't the end of the list... My point is that your argument above is really that all information carried in router advertisement messages (including future extensions?) also needs to be available as DHCP options. I certainly don't see a strong enough case for that level of duplication. Erik _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 21 23:41:34 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA23364 for <dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRNMR-0003mG-0m for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:39:47 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4M3dkwJ014521 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:39:46 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRNKT-0003JM-0r for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:37:45 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA23157 for <dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRNKP-0004sq-7F for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:37:41 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRNIa-0004eq-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:35:50 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRNHI-0004XA-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:34:28 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRN3P-0007sz-UK; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:20:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRMtk-0006ED-Kn for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:10:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA22191 for <dhcwg@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRMtU-00022q-36 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:09:52 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRMsV-0001vs-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:08:52 -0400 Received: from zmamail04.zma.compaq.com ([161.114.64.104]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRMrX-0001p2-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:07:51 -0400 Received: from tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net (tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net [16.103.130.103]) by zmamail04.zma.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3D477; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tayexc13.americas.cpqcorp.net ([16.103.130.26]) by tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 21 May 2004 23:07:51 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:07:47 -0400 Message-ID: <9C422444DE99BC46B3AD3C6EAFC9711B0644C130@tayexc13.americas.cpqcorp.net> Thread-Topic: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 Thread-Index: AcQ/E+lNAekpCfYKScyQGgasN5GWaAAlcsow From: "Bound, Jim" <jim.bound@hp.com> To: "Cristian Cadar" <Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de>, <dhcwg@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2004 03:07:51.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[F83B1120:01C43FA9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: <dhcwg.ietf.org> List-Post: <mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christian, I have been down this patha and I cannot see a good case for this to be in DHCPv6. I concur with Eric and Bernie. The entire conversion of routes on a link should come from ND RA. Once the edge link routers have the prefixes it is automatic for the hosts. I can see any good reason to add state to the IPv6 network architecture for route propogation? =20 thanks /jim=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Cristian Cadar > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:50 AM > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > Subject: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I know that this issue was already discussed on the list but=20 > I ran into a problem which I would like to clarify here.=20 > Seemingly the only way for getting the default router=20 > information is to make use of the RA. So when I'm using=20 > dhcpv6 and want get the default router information is it a=20 > MUST to use the RA for this pourpose? I could not find any=20 > statement in any of the RFC/drafts saying that. > I mean for the time being I cannot see any other possibility. > There might be scenarios where the use of RA is not desired=20 > and prefering to have a dhcpv6 option carrying this=20 > information along. If the use of RA is not a MUST I think we=20 > need a new option. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Cristian >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dhcwg mailing list > dhcwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat May 22 00:21:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA25479 for <dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Sat, 22 May 2004 00:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRNuv-0001ua-2e for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 00:15:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4M4FOW5007347 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 00:15:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRNnO-0008VK-59 for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 00:07:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA24868 for <dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org>; Sat, 22 May 2004 00:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRNnL-0000al-GV for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 00:07:35 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRNm8-0000SM-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 00:06:21 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRNlM-0000LV-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 00:05:32 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRNe6-0006nY-NG; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:58:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRNRW-0004uy-Bu for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:45:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA23862 for <dhcwg@ietf.org>; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRNRR-0005kL-Vk for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:44:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRNQL-0005WE-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:43:50 -0400 Received: from zmamail04.zma.compaq.com ([161.114.64.104]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRNO9-0005K8-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:41:33 -0400 Received: from tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net (tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net [16.103.130.103]) by zmamail04.zma.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5FC5E; Fri, 21 May 2004 23:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tayexc13.americas.cpqcorp.net ([16.103.130.26]) by tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 21 May 2004 23:41:33 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:41:28 -0400 Message-ID: <9C422444DE99BC46B3AD3C6EAFC9711B0644C135@tayexc13.americas.cpqcorp.net> Thread-Topic: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 Thread-Index: AcQ/E+lNAekpCfYKScyQGgasN5GWaAAlcsowAAE3b/A= From: "Bound, Jim" <jim.bound@hp.com> To: "Bound, Jim" <jim.bound@hp.com>, "Cristian Cadar" <Cristian.Cadar@netlab.nec.de>, <dhcwg@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2004 03:41:33.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACE33F90:01C43FAE] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: <dhcwg.ietf.org> List-Post: <mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable whoops... "I cannot see any reason........." is what was meant in last sentence.=20 /jim=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Bound, Jim > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:08 PM > To: Cristian Cadar; dhcwg@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 >=20 > Christian, >=20 > I have been down this patha and I cannot see a good case for=20 > this to be in DHCPv6. I concur with Eric and Bernie. The=20 > entire conversion of routes on a link should come from ND RA.=20 > Once the edge link routers have the prefixes it is automatic=20 > for the hosts. I can see any good reason to add state to the=20 > IPv6 network architecture for route propogation? =20 >=20 > thanks > /jim=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of=20 > > Cristian Cadar > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:50 AM > > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > > Subject: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > I know that this issue was already discussed on the list but I ran=20 > > into a problem which I would like to clarify here. > > Seemingly the only way for getting the default router=20 > information is=20 > > to make use of the RA. So when I'm using > > dhcpv6 and want get the default router information is it a=20 > MUST to use=20 > > the RA for this pourpose? I could not find any statement in=20 > any of the=20 > > RFC/drafts saying that. > > I mean for the time being I cannot see any other possibility. > > There might be scenarios where the use of RA is not desired and=20 > > prefering to have a dhcpv6 option carrying this information=20 > along. 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To avoid this educated MUDs the science of Artificial Life they claim to be talking on behalf of nature Denne= t "so that in the end reality does most of the speaking"" (Latour 1994b" ----21AA829DBE66BB70ACE-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat May 22 07:34:54 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA00323 for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 07:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRUfx-0008DN-7K for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 07:28:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4MBSPXL031572 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 07:28:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRUZ0-0006jX-Ja for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 07:21:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA29759 for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 07:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRUZ0-0007Ar-46 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 07:21:14 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRUXz-0006zY-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 07:20:12 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRUX4-0006n0-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 07:19:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRUIW-0003PS-1T; Sat, 22 May 2004 07:04:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRU7u-0000f7-8e for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 06:53:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA28067 for ; Sat, 22 May 2004 06:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRU7q-00029y-2N for dhcwg@ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 06:53:10 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRU6u-00021r-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Sat, 22 May 2004 06:52:13 -0400 Received: from raven.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.70.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRU6B-0001tq-00; Sat, 22 May 2004 06:51:27 -0400 Received: from magpie.ecs.soton.ac.uk (magpie.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by raven.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4MApTWE001471; Sat, 22 May 2004 11:51:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (IDENT:root@login [152.78.68.162]) by magpie.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16099; Sat, 22 May 2004 11:51:24 +0100 (BST) Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4MApOP05968; Sat, 22 May 2004 11:51:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:51:24 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: dhcwg@ietf.org Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 Message-ID: <20040522105124.GD5178@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: dhcwg@ietf.org, ipv6@ietf.org References: <9C422444DE99BC46B3AD3C6EAFC9711B0644C130@tayexc13.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9C422444DE99BC46B3AD3C6EAFC9711B0644C130@tayexc13.americas.cpqcorp.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact helpdesk@ecs.soton.ac.uk for more information X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 This reminds me, I don't think the IPv6 nodes requirements draft has yet gone final, since draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-08 still exists on the IETF I-D area. Should we not update this before it goes final with the wording that has been agreed for the M and O flags, and also to clarify the assertion below, that RAs are the way to get default router and onlink prefix information? It would be a shame to not convey this consensus in the nodes document. In the draft, that's at least section 4.5.2 and 4.5.5 that probably need a tweak. Tim On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 11:07:47PM -0400, Bound, Jim wrote: > Christian, > > I have been down this patha and I cannot see a good case for this to be > in DHCPv6. I concur with Eric and Bernie. The entire conversion of > routes on a link should come from ND RA. Once the edge link routers > have the prefixes it is automatic for the hosts. I can see any good > reason to add state to the IPv6 network architecture for route > propogation? > > thanks > /jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-admin@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Cristian Cadar > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:50 AM > > To: dhcwg@ietf.org > > Subject: [dhcwg] Deafult Router information for DHCPv6 > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I know that this issue was already discussed on the list but > > I ran into a problem which I would like to clarify here. > > Seemingly the only way for getting the default router > > information is to make use of the RA. So when I'm using > > dhcpv6 and want get the default router information is it a > > MUST to use the RA for this pourpose? I could not find any > > statement in any of the RFC/drafts saying that. > > I mean for the time being I cannot see any other possibility. > > There might be scenarios where the use of RA is not desired > > and prefering to have a dhcpv6 option carrying this > > information along. If the use of RA is not a MUST I think we > > need a new option. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Cristian > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dhcwg mailing list > > dhcwg@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dhcwg mailing list > dhcwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun May 23 19:03:49 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA12825 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BS1yI-0003nq-Qi for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:01:34 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4NN1Yxp014619 for dhcwg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 19:01:34 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BS1wZ-0003Ra-ST for dhcwg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:59:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA12636 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BS1wW-00054d-Ka for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:59:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BS1vX-0004oe-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:58:43 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BS1uX-0004X2-00 for dhcwg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:57:41 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BS1kE-0001Yn-G5; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:47:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BS1j1-0001QB-Q7 for dhcwg@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:45:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA12143 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BS1iy-0001Tp-KC for dhcwg@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:45:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BS1hy-0001E3-00 for dhcwg@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:44:43 -0400 Received: from raven.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.70.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BS1gv-0000kb-00; Sun, 23 May 2004 18:43:38 -0400 Received: from magpie.ecs.soton.ac.uk (magpie.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.68.131]) by raven.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4NMhWWE010738; Sun, 23 May 2004 23:43:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (IDENT:root@login [152.78.68.162]) by magpie.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00748; Sun, 23 May 2004 23:43:28 +0100 (BST) Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i4NMhSJ10175; Sun, 23 May 2004 23:43:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:43:28 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: dhcwg@ietf.org, ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Default Router information for DHCPv6 Message-ID: <20040523224328.GB9749@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: dhcwg@ietf.org, ipv6@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact helpdesk@ecs.soton.ac.uk for more information X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: dhcwg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 05:22:32PM +0300, john.loughney@nokia.com wrote: > > > Should we not update this before it goes final with the wording that has > > been agreed for the M and O flags, and also to clarify the assertion below, > > that RAs are the way to get default router and onlink prefix information? > > > > It would be a shame to not convey this consensus in the nodes document. > > In the draft, that's at least section 4.5.2 and 4.5.5 that probably need a > > tweak. > > Take a look at the current draft, a copy can be found here: > http://www-nrc.nokia.com/sua/draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-09.txt > > and let me know what you think should be modified. Please note that > the idea was that this document should not update any existing RFCs, > so we cannot prescribe new behavior. Ah, good point. However, the 2462 update is due to be submitted very soon, so is it worth waiting on that one to get the more appropriate text in this nodes document? Regarding changes, there would be three I'd suggest. The first two point into 2462-bis, so we just need to (as Christian would say) use the "less is more" maxim, so do something like this: 1. In 5.3.1 change "IPv6 Nodes that use DHCP for address assignment initiate DHCP to obtain IPv6 addresses and other configuration information upon receipt of a Router Advertisement with the 'M' flag set, as described in section 5.5.3 of RFC 2462." to "The method by which IPv6 Nodes that use DHCP for address assignment can obtain IPv6 addresses and other configuration information upon receipt of a Router Advertisement with the 'M' flag set is described in section 5.5.3 of RFC 2462." (leaves the suggestion of M being "mandatory" without using the "MAY" term) 2. In 5.3.2 change "Those IPv6 Nodes that use DHCP to obtain other configuration information initiate DHCP for other configuration information upon receipt of a Router Advertisement with the 'O' flag set, as described in section 5.5.3 of RFC 2462." to "The method by which IPv6 Nodes that use DHCP to obtain other configuration information can obtain other configuration information upon receipt of a Router Advertisement with the 'O' flag set is described in section 5.5.3 of RFC 2462." (ideally that "can" would be a "may", but that suggests something that is not finalised yet, so would be a change of meaning, which you don't want) 3. Add a section 5.5.3: "5.3.3 Use of Router Advertisements in Managed Environments Nodes using the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol for IPv6 (DHCPv6) are expected to determine their default router information and on-link prefix information from received Router Advertisements." (Perhaps some people may think this is saying too much, or the section heading could be improved, but if the opinion on the list is consensus, we should add it? You may wish to add reference to Stateless DHCPv6 in that extra section too?) 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