From zhangfatai@huawei.com Sun Sep 4 19:50:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4011321F8880 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2011 19:50:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.243 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.243 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.355, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KM-zWQit3M-d for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2011 19:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (szxga03-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9F721F8876 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2011 19:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LR100IO13YSI5@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:52:04 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxrg02-dlp.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LR1008SB3YR15@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:52:04 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml208-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.1.9-GA) with ESMTP id ADP44045; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:51:44 +0800 Received: from SZXEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.60) by szxeml208-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:51:43 +0800 Received: from SZXEML520-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.184]) by szxeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([169.254.211.222]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:51:41 +0800 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 02:50:57 +0000 From: Zhangfatai X-Originating-IP: [10.70.76.157] To: "swallow@cisco.com" , John E Drake , "hirokazu.ishimatsu@g1m.jp" , "yakov@juniper.net" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TyipNHw13VJmb5DTB6sU2Q)" Content-language: en-US Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Thread-topic: Request comments on draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app Thread-index: Acxrdr0SFBrE1D91SomoO4dOu28dGQ== X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Request comments on draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 02:50:28 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_TyipNHw13VJmb5DTB6sU2Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Authors of RFC4208 and CCAMpers, I am updating [draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app], do you have any comments on this draft? Any comments or suggestions are appreciated. Thanks Fatai --Boundary_(ID_TyipNHw13VJmb5DTB6sU2Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Authors of RFC4208 and CCA= Mpers,

 

I am updating [draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app], do you have any comments = on this draft?

 

Any comments or suggestions a= re appreciated.

 

 

 

Thanks
 
Fatai

 

--Boundary_(ID_TyipNHw13VJmb5DTB6sU2Q)-- From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Tue Sep 6 07:29:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B600521F8997 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.443, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OnF+l9ZkX6SM for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (mailgw9.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F46721F87D9 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:29:45 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb39-b7bfdae000005125-93-4e662ec393d5 Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E5.75.20773.3CE266E4; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:31:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0360.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.84]) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.90]) with mapi; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:31:30 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: 'CCAMP' Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:31:29 +0200 Thread-Topic: OTN OSPF draft Thread-Index: AcxsoarC74aS+C5MQhCBtlubPw9cKw== Message-ID: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_005_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA141A62B8B6ESESSCMS0360e_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [CCAMP] OTN OSPF draft X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:29:46 -0000 --_005_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA141A62B8B6ESESSCMS0360e_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA141A62B8B6ESESSCMS0360e_" --_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA141A62B8B6ESESSCMS0360e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi CCAMPers, The new version of the OTN OSPF draft has been published and can be found a= t the following link: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 Main changes address comments/feedback received at the IETF 81 meeting in Q= uebec City and consist on: - Removing the SCSI TLV --> single SCSI per ISCD and consequent unbundling = of component links with dissimilar hierarchies. In other words, what was su= pposed to be split into different SCSI TLV is now split into different ISCD= s - Removing the F flag for the distinction between unres bandwidth and max l= sp bandwidht for flexible container and adding the Bandwdith TLV type 3 (ty= pe 2 is now for unres band and type 3 for max lsp band). - Adding the TSG advertisement - Adding an example of MAX LSP Bandwidth fields in the ISCD common part - Adding some text expalining the T,S bits example - Updating the examples accordingly with the modifications - Zero padding to 32 bit alignment in case of odd supported priorities. ...Nits here and there. Thanks The authors DANIELE CECCARELLI System & Technology - DU IP & Broadband Via L.Calda, 5 Genova, Italy Phone +390106002512 Mobile +393346725750 daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com This Communication is Confidential. We only send and receive email on the b= asis of the term set out at www.ericsson.com/email_disclaimer --_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA141A62B8B6ESESSCMS0360e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi CCAMPers,
 
The new version of the OTN OSPF draft has been published and can be fo= und at the following link:
 
 
 
Main changes address comments/feedback received at the IETF 81 meeting= in Quebec City and consist on:
 
- Removing the SCSI TL= V --> single SCSI per ISCD and consequent unbundling of component links = with dissimilar hierarchies. In other words, what was supposed to be split = into different SCSI TLV is now split into different ISCDs
- Removing the F flag for the distinction between unres bandwidth and max l= sp bandwidht for flexible container and adding the Bandwdith TLV type 3 (ty= pe 2 is now for unres band and type 3 for max lsp band).
- Adding the TSG advertisement
- Adding an example of MAX LSP Bandwidth fields in the ISCD common p= art
- Adding some text expalining the T,S bits example
- Updating the examples accordingly with the modifications
- Zero padding to 32 bit alignment in case of odd supported prioriti= es.
...Nits here and there= .
Thanks
The authors
 
 



DANIELE CECCARE= LLI
System & Te= chnology - DU IP & Broadband

Via L.Calda, 5
Genova, Italy
Phone +390106002512
Mobile +393346725750
daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com
www.ericsson.com

This Communication is Con= fidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the term set out = at www.ericsson.com/email_disclaime= r
 
 
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Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:15:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tb2MYYERPTJz; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B6321F8BBD; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110908221532.29036.90886.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:15:32 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 22:15:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatib= ility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-08 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Framework for GMPLS and PCE Control of G.709 Optical Tra= nsport Networks Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Dan Li Han Li Sergio Belotti Daniele Ceccarelli Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-05.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2011-09-08 This document provides a framework to allow the development of protocol extensions to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) and Path Computation Element (PCE) control of Optical Transport Networks (OTN) as specified in ITU-T Recommendation G.709 as consented in October 2009. 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ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:51:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.101) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:51:30 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by DFWEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::f07f:889f:78ef:8df3%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:51:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 19:51:20 +0000 From: Leeyoung X-Originating-IP: [10.192.11.52] To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1718166966@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: en-US Thread-topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Thread-index: AQHMbnVXZ5ztk/P48kGlpLOGXqrkmpVFc5Ag X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 19:49:32 -0000 Hi, This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free to discuss in the mailing list. Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:16 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-08 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Sep 9 14:19:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF32121F872A; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:19:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.584 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.584 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RyQ4dnt5Lv5n; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A6F21F86A4; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:19:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110909211949.22139.11442.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:19:49 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 21:19:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Model for = Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Dan Li Wataru Imajuku Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2011-09-09 This document provides a model of information needed by the routing and wavelength assignment (RWA) process in wavelength switched optical networks (WSONs). The purpose of the information described in this model is to facilitate constrained lightpath computation in WSONs. This model takes into account compatibility constraints between WSON signal attributes and network elements but does not include constraints due to optical impairments. Aspects of this information that may be of use to other technologies utilizing a GMPLS control plane are discussed. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt From leeyoung@huawei.com Fri Sep 9 14:27:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C41A21F8A7E for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rLwHY54VthlR for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga02-in.huawei.com (usaga02-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95ABA21F8A69 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LR9006DOYDT5H@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:29:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.18.4.104]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0LR900MXNYDTPC@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:29:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:29:57 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:29:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 21:29:48 +0000 From: Leeyoung X-Originating-IP: [10.192.11.52] To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17181669D3@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: en-US Thread-topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Thread-index: AQHMbzaIDI6/KZa+pUuuGsK1nP8d9ZVFjvuQ X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 21:27:59 -0000 Hi, This update (version 12) includes the following: (i) Replaced all instances of "ingress" with "input" and all instances of "egress" with "output". (ii) Added clarifying text on relationship between resource block model and physical entities such as line cards. This draft is now very mature and incorporated all the comments raised in the mailing list and the last meetings. Thanks, Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:20 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Dan Li Wataru Imajuku Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2011-09-09 This document provides a model of information needed by the routing and wavelength assignment (RWA) process in wavelength switched optical networks (WSONs). The purpose of the information described in this model is to facilitate constrained lightpath computation in WSONs. This model takes into account compatibility constraints between WSON signal attributes and network elements but does not include constraints due to optical impairments. Aspects of this information that may be of use to other technologies utilizing a GMPLS control plane are discussed. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Mon Sep 12 15:57:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA04221F8EA7 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.526 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.526 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nQPFLIHYlMaP for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44CA21F8EA4 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id p8CMuQEJ026563; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:58:57 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.60]) by eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) with mapi; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:58:18 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: Greg Bernstein , Young Lee Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:58:15 -0400 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Thread-Index: Acxxn3We2bcVajIHTaiMTdzaysu9UA== Message-ID: <63CEF1D1-D774-40C9-90BB-04BD5E85BF1B@ericsson.com> References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1718166966@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1718166966@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail-158-406163146"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:57:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail-158-406163146 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Young, Greg,=20 I have the following comments: 1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order = rules per LSA.=20 For example (from RFC 3630):=20 "The Link TLV describes a single link. It is constructed of a set = of sub-TLVs. There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs. Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine =20= granularity changes in topology." However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After = all, these are Link State Advertisements.=20 2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example = from=20 RFC 3630: "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must = appear exactly once. All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most once. These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs. Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored." The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of = specification.=20 3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I = still don't like the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF = specification, RFC 2328,=20 the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of = the same LSA - NOT an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to = section 12.1 in=20 RFC 2328.=20 The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) = correctly=20 identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While = RFC 3630 refers to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be = avoided given the=20 semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the=20= following changes: 225,226c225,226 < the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per < [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. --- > the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, = as > described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250]. 342,344c342,344 < the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an = Optical < Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per = the < reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. --- > the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information = sub-TLVs > and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node > Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]).=20 392c392 < into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances. --- > into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs. 399c399 < sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The --- > sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The 473c473 < into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of --- > into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference. =20 =20 4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." = to=20 "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing = base=20 OSPF itself. Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not = make=20 this distinction.=20 Thanks, Acee=20 =20 On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote: > Hi, >=20 > This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to = use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU = limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples = given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA = size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' = defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid = fragmentation.=20 >=20 > Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free = to discuss in the mailing list.=20 >=20 > Regards, > Young >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:16 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and = Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network = Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks > Author(s) : Young Lee > Greg M. Bernstein > Filename : = draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2011-09-08 >=20 > This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support > signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network > elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical > or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical > signals in the network are compatible with all network elements > participating in the network. >=20 > This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical > or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, = regenerators, > and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to > processing only certain types of WSON signals. >=20 >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibi= lity-ospf-05.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > = ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibil= ity-ospf-05.txt > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110913082416.24829.90461.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:24:16 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 08:24:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element Constrain= ts Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Young Lee Jianrui Han Greg Bernstein Yunbin Xu Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-01.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2011-09-13 Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., MPLS), time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links may impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized MPLS (GMPLS). 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Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:55:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:55:10 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:55:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:55:03 +0000 From: Leeyoung In-reply-to: <63CEF1D1-D774-40C9-90BB-04BD5E85BF1B@ericsson.com> X-Originating-IP: [172.18.9.109] To: Acee Lindem , Greg Bernstein Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1718166F36@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: en-US Thread-topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Thread-index: AQHMcZ+UFFQoSK2Grk66bsO2RD5lYJVLuDBo X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1718166966@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> <63CEF1D1-D774-40C9-90BB-04BD5E85BF1B@ericsson.com> Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:53:04 -0000 Hi Acee, Thanks for your thorough review and great comments. We will incorporate all your comments where possible in the revision. See my comment in-line. Best Regards Young ________________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [acee.lindem@ericsson.com] Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 5:58 PM To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Hi Young, Greg, I have the following comments: 1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order rules per LSA. For example (from RFC 3630): "The Link TLV describes a single link. It is constructed of a set of sub-TLVs. There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs. Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine granularity changes in topology." However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After all, these are Link State Advertisements. YOUNG>> Yes, I agree. 2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example from RFC 3630: "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear exactly once. All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most once. These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs. Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored." The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of specification. YOUNG>> Yes, this is fine. 3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I still don't like the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF specification, RFC 2328, the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of the same LSA - NOT an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to section 12.1 in RFC 2328. YOUNG>> Sorry for the confusion. Yes mutliple TE-LSAs are what we are talking about here. The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) correctly identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While RFC 3630 refers to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be avoided given the semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the following changes: YOUNG>> Will do. Thanks. 225,226c225,226 < the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per < [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. --- > the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, as > described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250]. 342,344c342,344 < the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an Optical < Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per the < reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. --- > the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information sub-TLVs > and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node > Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]). 392c392 < into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances. --- > into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs. 399c399 < sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The --- > sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The 473c473 < into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of --- > into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference. 4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." to "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing base OSPF itself. Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not make this distinction. YOUNG>> If the chairs are OK with this, we will change the title. Thanks, Acee On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote: > Hi, > > This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. > > Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free to discuss in the mailing list. > > Regards, > Young > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:16 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks > Author(s) : Young Lee > Greg M. Bernstein > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2011-09-08 > > This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support > signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network > elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical > or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical > signals in the network are compatible with all network elements > participating in the network. > > This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical > or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, > and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to > processing only certain types of WSON signals. > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Tue Sep 13 14:02:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1CC11E80DB for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UmV3C97BoibG for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1454421F8C4E for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p8DL4RYN014551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:04:36 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.60]) by eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) with mapi; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:04:04 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: Fatai Zhang Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:04:01 -0400 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Thread-Index: AcxyWKqYFvUb/PaFRxGLKrzaWB2Oyg== Message-ID: <73C7F487-34D7-49E0-81FC-F3B4F1501D66@ericsson.com> References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1718166966@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> <63CEF1D1-D774-40C9-90BB-04BD5E85BF1B@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail-6-485708969"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:02:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail-6-485708969 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Fatai, I only have two comments on this document: 1. Reference RFC 5250 rather than RFC 2370 as the former obsoleted the = latter.=20 2. Possibly this draft should remove the RFC 5786 restriction that = only a single OSPF TE LSA containing a top-level TLV is allowed.=20 Couldn't the connectivity matrix become quite large?=20 Thanks, Acee On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Zhangfatai wrote: > Hi Acee, >=20 > Sorry for a mistake, :-) >=20 > I should say "when I update = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt" instead of = "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks > =20 > Fatai >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Zhangfatai=20 > Sent: 2011=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8813=E6=97=A5 11:38 > To: 'Acee Lindem'; Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt >=20 > Hi Acee, >=20 > I personally agree with your comments on "multi-instance LSA". >=20 > I will take your suggestions into account when I update = "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks > =20 > Fatai >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Acee Lindem > Sent: 2011=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8813=E6=97=A5 6:58 > To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt >=20 > Hi Young, Greg, > I have the following comments: >=20 > 1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order = rules per LSA.=20 > For example (from RFC 3630):=20 >=20 > "The Link TLV describes a single link. It is constructed of a set = of > sub-TLVs. There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs. >=20 > Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine = =20 > granularity changes in topology." >=20 > However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After = all, these are > Link State Advertisements.=20 >=20 > 2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example = from=20 > RFC 3630: >=20 > "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must = appear > exactly once. All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most > once. These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs. > Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored." >=20 > The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of = specification.=20 >=20 > 3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I = still don't like > the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF = specification, RFC 2328,=20 > the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of = the same LSA - NOT > an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer = to section 12.1 in=20 > RFC 2328.=20 >=20 > The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) = correctly=20 > identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While = RFC 3630 refers > to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be = avoided given the=20 > semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the=20= > following changes: >=20 > 225,226c225,226 > < the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, = per > < [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. > --- >> the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, = as >> described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250]. > 342,344c342,344 > < the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an = Optical > < Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per = the > < reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. > --- >> the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information = sub-TLVs >> and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node >> Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]).=20 > 392c392 > < into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances. > --- >> into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs. > 399c399 > < sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The > --- >> sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The > 473c473 > < into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly = of > --- >> into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of >=20 > Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative = reference. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF = Enhancement..." to=20 > "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing = base=20 > OSPF itself. Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not = make=20 > this distinction.=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Acee=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how = to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU = limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples = given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA = size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' = defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid = fragmentation.=20 >>=20 >> Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free = to discuss in the mailing list.=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >> Young >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf=20 >> Of internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:16 PM >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:=20 >> draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt >>=20 >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and = Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. >>=20 >> Title : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network = Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks >> Author(s) : Young Lee >> Greg M. Bernstein >> Filename : = draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt >> Pages : 14 >> Date : 2011-09-08 >>=20 >> This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support >> signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network >> elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical >> or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical >> signals in the network are compatible with all network elements >> participating in the network. >>=20 >> This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical >> or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, = regenerators, >> and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to >> processing only certain types of WSON signals. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compa >> tibility-ospf-05.txt >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >> This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: >> = ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compat >> ibility-ospf-05.txt _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Signaling Extensions for Wavelength Switched Optical Net= works Author(s) : Greg M. Bernstein Sugang Xu Young Lee Giovanni Martinelli Hiroaki Harai Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling-02.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2011-09-13 This memo provides extensions to Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling for control of wavelength switched optical networks (WSON). Such extensions are necessary in WSONs under a number of conditions including: (a) when optional processing, such as regeneration, must be configured to occur at specific nodes along a path, (b) where equipment must be configured to accept an optical signal with specific attributes, or (c) where equipment must be configured to output an optical signal with specific attributes. 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From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Sep 15 12:47:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6A421F8BBF; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.129, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y8IFIkQ2+7iR; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96E721F8BAA; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110915194751.1118.92540.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:47:51 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:47:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Co= mpatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-15 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibil= ity-ospf-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibili= ty-ospf-06.txt From leeyoung@huawei.com Thu Sep 15 13:00:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2455921F8678 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2mzRby0-AfkM for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga04-in.huawei.com (usaga04-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D9811E8087 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga04-in [172.18.4.101]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LRK00D9SY707C@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:59:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.18.4.104]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LRK00189Y6ZJY@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:59:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:59:17 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:59:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:59:22 +0000 From: Leeyoung In-reply-to: <20110915194751.1118.92540.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Originating-IP: [10.192.11.52] To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171816B709@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: en-US Thread-topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Thread-index: AQHMc+DNFGZirNpekU68H0VT9nct2ZVO2fZw X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <20110915194751.1118.92540.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:00:23 -0000 Hi all, After 05 version publication, Acee provided a number of valuable comments and suggestions. This revision (06) reflects those changes. Please note the following updates: - Change the title of the draft to "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." from "OSPF Enhancement..." to make sure the changes apply to the GMPLS OSPF rather than the base OSPF. - Add specific OSPF procedures on how sub-TLVs are packaged per [RFC3630] and editorial change including avoiding "multiple instances of TE LSA" to "multiple TE LSAs". Your comments are always appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:48 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-15 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From leeyoung@huawei.com Fri Sep 16 13:34:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9981621F8D66 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:34:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org 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Deborah (and Lou) From giomarti@cisco.com Mon Sep 19 13:06:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F80421F8D56 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:06:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ocF68gSbAmkl for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406D521F8D43 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:06:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; l=20523; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1316462932; x=1317672532; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to; bh=sXK99gTgO4j78SSKaVZUxYrWGRjgSiwGXjF20Q2och0=; b=e17CmME9+NYRCIZVDpOu2mrPyfF9roDP/hqFbchHn4DHDXu70zrpkp+Z WTiSq1ySzSro3C938ePSVjh2idSjIsXsuye5MElqof4LR9NatzvGni3Kn aPUo2jZQ9ZhEtgCVB89NNV3YVj27odji/MpjefxA8jLhZ7PIb+tDuNFJT g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApAAAGSgd06Q/khM/2dsb2JhbAA4CphXjmd3gVMBAQEBAgEBAQEPAVQHCgEFBwQLEQQBAQEJDAoIBwkDAgECARUfCAEIBg0BBQIBAQUZh1UElngBniODURODFASTSZEv X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,407,1312156800"; d="scan'208,217";a="55197892" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Sep 2011 20:08:51 +0000 Received: from dhcp-10-55-81-111.cisco.com (dhcp-10-55-81-111.cisco.com [10.55.81.111]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8JK8oLW027104; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:08:50 GMT Message-ID: <4E77A151.6000200@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:08:49 +0200 From: Giovanni Martinelli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Acee Lindem References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1718166966@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> <63CEF1D1-D774-40C9-90BB-04BD5E85BF1B@ericsson.com> <73C7F487-34D7-49E0-81FC-F3B4F1501D66@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <73C7F487-34D7-49E0-81FC-F3B4F1501D66@ericsson.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050304090905050603070804" Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:06:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050304090905050603070804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, On 9/13/11 11:04 PM, Acee Lindem wrote: > Hi Fatai, > I only have two comments on this document: > > 1. Reference RFC 5250 rather than RFC 2370 as the former obsoleted the latter. > 2. Possibly this draft should remove the RFC 5786 restriction that only a single OSPF TE LSA containing a top-level TLV is allowed. > Couldn't the connectivity matrix become quite large? as far as I've see there is a couple of examples here http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05 within appendix A3 and A4. So asking authors, any other numbers around? My comment here is that those numbers refers essentially to 2 degree node. I would ask if draft can report some information (formula in the optimal case) that allow to figure out how the connectivity matrix scale. E.g. Thinking about a 16 degree node my guess reading the appendix A4: the last part of the TLV (from "note : line to line" on) we need to add one more 32 bits to identify the out-range, and we need to replicate this link-set tuple 15 times. So in total the "line to line" become 5*15*4 = 300 bytes Is my guess correct? Cheers G > Thanks, > Acee > > > On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Zhangfatai wrote: > >> Hi Acee, >> >> Sorry for a mistake, :-) >> >> I should say "when I update draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt" instead of "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Zhangfatai >> Sent: 2011?9?13? 11:38 >> To: 'Acee Lindem'; Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung >> Cc: CCAMP >> Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt >> >> Hi Acee, >> >> I personally agree with your comments on "multi-instance LSA". >> >> I will take your suggestions into account when I update "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem >> Sent: 2011?9?13? 6:58 >> To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung >> Cc: CCAMP >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt >> >> Hi Young, Greg, >> I have the following comments: >> >> 1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order rules per LSA. >> For example (from RFC 3630): >> >> "The Link TLV describes a single link. It is constructed of a set of >> sub-TLVs. There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs. >> >> Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine >> granularity changes in topology." >> >> However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After all, these are >> Link State Advertisements. >> >> 2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example from >> RFC 3630: >> >> "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear >> exactly once. All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most >> once. These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs. >> Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored." >> >> The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of specification. >> >> 3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I still don't like >> the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF specification, RFC 2328, >> the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of the same LSA - NOT >> an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to section 12.1 in >> RFC 2328. >> >> The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) correctly >> identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While RFC 3630 refers >> to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be avoided given the >> semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the >> following changes: >> >> 225,226c225,226 >> < the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per >> < [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. >> --- >>> the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, as >>> described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250]. >> 342,344c342,344 >> < the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an Optical >> < Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per the >> < reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. >> --- >>> the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information sub-TLVs >>> and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node >>> Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]). >> 392c392 >> < into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances. >> --- >>> into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs. >> 399c399 >> < sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The >> --- >>> sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The >> 473c473 >> < into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of >> --- >>> into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of >> Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference. >> >> >> >> 4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." to >> "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing base >> OSPF itself. Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not make >> this distinction. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. >>> >>> Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free to discuss in the mailing list. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Young >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >>> Of internet-drafts@ietf.org >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:16 PM >>> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>> Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks >>> Author(s) : Young Lee >>> Greg M. Bernstein >>> Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt >>> Pages : 14 >>> Date : 2011-09-08 >>> >>> This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support >>> signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network >>> elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical >>> or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical >>> signals in the network are compatible with all network elements >>> participating in the network. >>> >>> This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical >>> or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, >>> and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to >>> processing only certain types of WSON signals. >>> >>> >>> >>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compa >>> tibility-ospf-05.txt >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> >>> This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compat >>> ibility-ospf-05.txt _______________________________________________ >>> CCAMP mailing list >>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CCAMP mailing list >>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --------------050304090905050603070804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

On 9/13/11 11:04 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:
Hi Fatai,
I only have two comments on this document:

  1. Reference RFC 5250 rather than RFC 2370 as the former obsoleted the latter. 
  2. Possibly this draft should remove the RFC 5786 restriction that only a single OSPF TE LSA containing a top-level TLV is allowed. 
      Couldn't the connectivity matrix become quite large? 
as far as I've see there is a couple of  examples here http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05 within appendix A3 and A4.  So asking authors, any other numbers around?

My comment here is that those numbers refers essentially to 2 degree node. I would ask if draft can report some information (formula in the optimal case) that allow to figure out how the connectivity matrix scale.

E.g. Thinking about a 16 degree node my guess reading the appendix A4: the last part of the TLV (from "note : line to line" on) we need to add one more 32 bits to identify the out-range, and we need to replicate this link-set tuple 15 times.  So in total the "line to line" become 5*15*4 = 300 bytes

Is my guess correct?

Cheers
G




Thanks,
Acee


On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Zhangfatai wrote:

Hi Acee,

Sorry for a mistake, :-)

I should say "when I update draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt" instead of "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt".






Thanks
 
Fatai


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 2011年9月13日 11:38
To: 'Acee Lindem'; Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt

Hi Acee,

I personally agree with your comments on "multi-instance LSA".

I will take your suggestions into account when I update "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt".




Thanks
 
Fatai


-----Original Message-----
From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem
Sent: 2011年9月13日 6:58
To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt

Hi Young, Greg,
I have the following comments:

  1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order rules per LSA. 
      For example (from RFC 3630): 

    "The Link TLV describes a single link.  It is constructed of a set of
      sub-TLVs.  There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs.

     Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine  
     granularity changes in topology."

     However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After all, these are
     Link State Advertisements. 

  2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example from 
       RFC 3630:

     "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear
      exactly once.  All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most
      once.  These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs.
      Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored."

      The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of specification. 

  3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I still don't like
      the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF specification, RFC 2328, 
      the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of the same LSA - NOT
      an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to section 12.1 in 
      RFC 2328. 

     The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) correctly 
      identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While RFC 3630 refers
      to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be avoided given the 
      semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the 
      following changes:

225,226c225,226
<    the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per
<    [RFC3630] multiple instance capability.
---
  the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, as
  described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250].
342,344c342,344
<    the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an Optical
<    Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per the
<    reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability.
---
  the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information sub-TLVs
  and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node
  Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]). 
392c392
<    into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances.
---
  into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs.
399c399
<    sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The
---
  sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The
473c473
<    into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of
---
  into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of
    Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference.



  4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." to 
      "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing base 
      OSPF itself.  Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not make 
      this distinction. 


Thanks,
Acee 



On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote:

Hi,

This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. 

Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free to discuss in the mailing list. 

Regards,
Young



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Of internet-drafts@ietf.org
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draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks
	Author(s)       : Young Lee
                        Greg M. Bernstein
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2011-09-08

 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support
 signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network
 elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical
 or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical
 signals in the network are compatible with all network elements
 participating in the network.

 This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical
 or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators,
 and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to
 processing only certain types of WSON signals.



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We can easily partition the connectivity matrix even if it goes beyond the MTU limit. The last email to the CCAMP was concerning how to do it. - We can lift off RFC 5786 restriction to be able to send multiple TLVs under the current Node Attribute TLV. - Define a new top level TLV to do that. I don$B!G(Bt think the scale of the connectivity matrix is a big issue. Regards, Young From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Giovanni Martinelli Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:09 PM To: Acee Lindem Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Hi, On 9/13/11 11:04 PM, Acee Lindem wrote: Hi Fatai, I only have two comments on this document: 1. Reference RFC 5250 rather than RFC 2370 as the former obsoleted the latter. 2. Possibly this draft should remove the RFC 5786 restriction that only a single OSPF TE LSA containing a top-level TLV is allowed. Couldn't the connectivity matrix become quite large? as far as I've see there is a couple of examples here http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05 within appendix A3 and A4. So asking authors, any other numbers around? My comment here is that those numbers refers essentially to 2 degree node. I would ask if draft can report some information (formula in the optimal case) that allow to figure out how the connectivity matrix scale. E.g. Thinking about a 16 degree node my guess reading the appendix A4: the last part of the TLV (from "note : line to line" on) we need to add one more 32 bits to identify the out-range, and we need to replicate this link-set tuple 15 times. So in total the "line to line" become 5*15*4 = 300 bytes Is my guess correct? Cheers G Thanks, Acee On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Zhangfatai wrote: Hi Acee, Sorry for a mistake, :-) I should say "when I update draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt" instead of "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". Thanks Fatai -----Original Message----- From: Zhangfatai Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 11:38 To: 'Acee Lindem'; Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung Cc: CCAMP Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Hi Acee, I personally agree with your comments on "multi-instance LSA". I will take your suggestions into account when I update "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". Thanks Fatai -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 6:58 To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Hi Young, Greg, I have the following comments: 1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order rules per LSA. For example (from RFC 3630): "The Link TLV describes a single link. It is constructed of a set of sub-TLVs. There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs. Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine granularity changes in topology." However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After all, these are Link State Advertisements. 2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example from RFC 3630: "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear exactly once. All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most once. These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs. Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored." The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of specification. 3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I still don't like the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF specification, RFC 2328, the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of the same LSA - NOT an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to section 12.1 in RFC 2328. The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) correctly identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While RFC 3630 refers to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be avoided given the semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the following changes: 225,226c225,226 < the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per < [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. --- the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, as described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250]. 342,344c342,344 < the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an Optical < Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per the < reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. --- the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information sub-TLVs and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]). 392c392 < into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances. --- into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs. 399c399 < sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The --- sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The 473c473 < into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of --- into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference. 4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." to "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing base OSPF itself. Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not make this distinction. Thanks, Acee On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote: Hi, This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free to discuss in the mailing list. Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:16 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-08 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compa tibility-ospf-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compat ibility-ospf-05.txt _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --Boundary_(ID_azOx0D1hGzvgQQvz/1fQPw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi Giovanni,

 

Your worst case analysis for 16 degree node connectivity matrix is subject to verification, but even if this is a right number, 300 bytes is well under 1500 byte MTU limit, so we can package it without sub-dividing the TLV.  

 

We can easily partition the connectivity matrix even if it goes beyond the MTU limit. The last email to the CCAMP was concerning how to do it.

-          We can lift off RFC 5786 restriction to be able to send multiple TLVs under the current Node Attribute TLV.

-          Define a new top level TLV to do that.

 

I don$B!G(Bt think the scale of the connectivity matrix is a big issue.

 

Regards,

Young

 

 

From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Giovanni Martinelli
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:09 PM
To: Acee Lindem
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt

 

Hi,

On 9/13/11 11:04 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:

Hi Fatai,
I only have two comments on this document:
 
  1. Reference RFC 5250 rather than RFC 2370 as the former obsoleted the latter. 
  2. Possibly this draft should remove the RFC 5786 restriction that only a single OSPF TE LSA containing a top-level TLV is allowed. 
      Couldn't the connectivity matrix become quite large? 

as far as I've see there is a couple of  examples here http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05 within appendix A3 and A4.  So asking authors, any other numbers around?

My comment here is that those numbers refers essentially to 2 degree node. I would ask if draft can report some information (formula in the optimal case) that allow to figure out how the connectivity matrix scale.

E.g. Thinking about a 16 degree node my guess reading the appendix A4: the last part of the TLV (from "note : line to line" on) we need to add one more 32 bits to identify the out-range, and we need to replicate this link-set tuple 15 times.  So in total the "line to line" become 5*15*4 = 300 bytes

Is my guess correct?

Cheers
G





 
Thanks,
Acee
 
 
On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Zhangfatai wrote:
 
Hi Acee,
 
Sorry for a mistake, :-)
 
I should say "when I update draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt" instead of "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt".
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Fatai
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Zhangfatai 
Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 11:38
To: 'Acee Lindem'; Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
 
Hi Acee,
 
I personally agree with your comments on "multi-instance LSA".
 
I will take your suggestions into account when I update "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt".
 
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Fatai
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem
Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 6:58
To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
 
Hi Young, Greg,
I have the following comments:
 
  1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order rules per LSA. 
      For example (from RFC 3630): 
 
    "The Link TLV describes a single link.  It is constructed of a set of
      sub-TLVs.  There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs.
 
     Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine  
     granularity changes in topology."
 
     However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After all, these are
     Link State Advertisements. 
 
  2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example from 
       RFC 3630:
 
     "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear
      exactly once.  All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most
      once.  These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs.
      Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored."
 
      The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of specification. 
 
  3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I still don't like
      the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF specification, RFC 2328, 
      the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of the same LSA - NOT
      an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to section 12.1 in 
      RFC 2328. 
 
     The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) correctly 
      identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While RFC 3630 refers
      to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be avoided given the 
      semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the 
      following changes:
 
225,226c225,226
<    the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per
<    [RFC3630] multiple instance capability.
---
  the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, as
  described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250].
342,344c342,344
<    the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an Optical
<    Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per the
<    reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability.
---
  the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information sub-TLVs
  and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node
  Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]). 
392c392
<    into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances.
---
  into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs.
399c399
<    sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The
---
  sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The
473c473
<    into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of
---
  into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of
 
    Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference.
 
 
 
  4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." to 
      "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing base 
      OSPF itself.  Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not make 
      this distinction. 
 
 
Thanks,
Acee 
 
 
 
On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote:
 
Hi,
 
This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. 
 
Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free to discuss in the mailing list. 
 
Regards,
Young
 
 
 
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Of internet-drafts@ietf.org
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draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
 
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF.
 
   Title           : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks
   Author(s)       : Young Lee
                        Greg M. Bernstein
   Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
   Pages           : 14
   Date            : 2011-09-08
 
 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support
 signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network
 elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical
 or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical
 signals in the network are compatible with all network elements
 participating in the network.
 
 This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical
 or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators,
 and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to
 processing only certain types of WSON signals.
 
 
 
A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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If you provide few more numbers there's probably a better feeling of "how many" bytes are (well beyond the mtu but well above the 75 bytes in the example). > We can easily partition the connectivity matrix even if it goes beyond > the MTU limit. > Agree that's a good solution but my comment here is related to how do we partition. Would it worth to add some text about it? We could probably guess (e.g. linkset couple) but just to make sure all readers will have same interpretation. > The last email to the CCAMP was concerning how to do it. > > -We can lift off RFC 5786 restriction to be able to send multiple TLVs > under the current Node Attribute TLV. > > -Define a new top level TLV to do that. > I know and I was not replaying on last email but trying to providing numbers for the connectivity matrix. > I don$B!G(Bt think the scale of the connectivity matrix is a big issue. > Since it has to be "generic" we don't know in principle. Does not look a problem for *unconstrained* wson nodes. Don't know if others has different options for wson technology or may be possible other technologies (otn?). Cheers G > > Regards, > > Young > > *From:*ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of *Giovanni Martinelli > *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 3:09 PM > *To:* Acee Lindem > *Cc:* CCAMP > *Subject:* Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: > draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > > Hi, > > On 9/13/11 11:04 PM, Acee Lindem wrote: > > Hi Fatai, > I only have two comments on this document: > > 1. Reference RFC 5250 rather than RFC 2370 as the former obsoleted the latter. > 2. Possibly this draft should remove the RFC 5786 restriction that only a single OSPF TE LSA containing a top-level TLV is allowed. > Couldn't the connectivity matrix become quite large? > > as far as I've see there is a couple of examples here > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05 > within appendix A3 and A4. So asking authors, any other numbers around? > > My comment here is that those numbers refers essentially to 2 degree > node. I would ask if draft can report some information (formula in the > optimal case) that allow to figure out how the connectivity matrix scale. > > E.g. Thinking about a 16 degree node my guess reading the appendix A4: > the last part of the TLV (from "note : line to line" on) we need to > add one more 32 bits to identify the out-range, and we need to > replicate this link-set tuple 15 times. So in total the "line to line" > become 5*15*4 = 300 bytes > > Is my guess correct? > > Cheers > G > > > > > > > Thanks, > Acee > > > On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Zhangfatai wrote: > > > Hi Acee, > > > > Sorry for a mistake, :-) > > > > I should say "when I update draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt" instead of "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Fatai > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Zhangfatai > > Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 11:38 > > To: 'Acee Lindem'; Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung > > Cc: CCAMP > > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > > > > Hi Acee, > > > > I personally agree with your comments on "multi-instance LSA". > > > > I will take your suggestions into account when I update "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Fatai > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem > > Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 6:58 > > To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung > > Cc: CCAMP > > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > > > > Hi Young, Greg, > > I have the following comments: > > > > 1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order rules per LSA. > > For example (from RFC 3630): > > > > "The Link TLV describes a single link. It is constructed of a set of > > sub-TLVs. There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs. > > > > Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine > > granularity changes in topology." > > > > However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After all, these are > > Link State Advertisements. > > > > 2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example from > > RFC 3630: > > > > "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear > > exactly once. All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most > > once. These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs. > > Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored." > > > > The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of specification. > > > > 3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I still don't like > > the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF specification, RFC 2328, > > the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of the same LSA - NOT > > an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to section 12.1 in > > RFC 2328. > > > > The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) correctly > > identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While RFC 3630 refers > > to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be avoided given the > > semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the > > following changes: > > > > 225,226c225,226 > > < the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per > > < [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. > > --- > > the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, as > > described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250]. > > 342,344c342,344 > > < the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an Optical > > < Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per the > > < reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. > > --- > > the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information sub-TLVs > > and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node > > Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]). > > 392c392 > > < into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances. > > --- > > into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs. > > 399c399 > > < sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The > > --- > > sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The > > 473c473 > > < into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of > > --- > > into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of > > > > Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference. > > > > > > > > 4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." to > > "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing base > > OSPF itself. Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not make > > this distinction. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. > > > > Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free to discuss in the mailing list. > > > > Regards, > > Young > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:16 PM > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: > > draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks > > Author(s) : Young Lee > > Greg M. Bernstein > > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt > > Pages : 14 > > Date : 2011-09-08 > > > > This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support > > signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network > > elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical > > or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical > > signals in the network are compatible with all network elements > > participating in the network. > > > > This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical > > or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, > > and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to > > processing only certain types of WSON signals. > > > > > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compa > > tibility-ospf-05.txt > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compat > > ibility-ospf-05.txt _______________________________________________ > > CCAMP mailing list > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > _______________________________________________ > > CCAMP mailing list > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --------------010408090909010801080506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

On 9/19/11 10:29 PM, Leeyoung wrote:

Hi Giovanni,

 

Your worst case analysis for 16 degree node connectivity matrix is subject to verification,

but even if this is a right number, 300 bytes is well under 1500 byte MTU limit, so we can package it without sub-dividing the TLV.  

 

yes , I was not concerned about mtu but how to build a correct connectivity matrix beyond a simple 2 degree node. If you provide few more numbers there's probably a better feeling of "how many" bytes are (well beyond the mtu but well above the 75 bytes in the example).

We can easily partition the connectivity matrix even if it goes beyond the MTU limit.

Agree that's a good solution  but my comment here is related to how do we partition. Would it worth to add some text about it? We could probably guess (e.g. linkset couple) but just to make sure all readers will have same interpretation.

The last email to the CCAMP was concerning how to do it.

-          We can lift off RFC 5786 restriction to be able to send multiple TLVs under the current Node Attribute TLV.

-          Define a new top level TLV to do that.

 

I know and I was not replaying on last email but trying to providing numbers for the connectivity matrix. 

I don$B!G(Bt think the scale of the connectivity matrix is a big issue.

 

Since it has to be "generic" we don't know in principle. Does not look a problem for *unconstrained* wson nodes. Don't know if others has different options for wson technology or may be possible other technologies (otn?).

Cheers
G

Regards,

Young

 

 

From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Giovanni Martinelli
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:09 PM
To: Acee Lindem
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt

 

Hi,

On 9/13/11 11:04 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:

Hi Fatai,
I only have two comments on this document:
 
  1. Reference RFC 5250 rather than RFC 2370 as the former obsoleted the latter. 
  2. Possibly this draft should remove the RFC 5786 restriction that only a single OSPF TE LSA containing a top-level TLV is allowed. 
      Couldn't the connectivity matrix become quite large? 

as far as I've see there is a couple of  examples here http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05 within appendix A3 and A4.  So asking authors, any other numbers around?

My comment here is that those numbers refers essentially to 2 degree node. I would ask if draft can report some information (formula in the optimal case) that allow to figure out how the connectivity matrix scale.

E.g. Thinking about a 16 degree node my guess reading the appendix A4: the last part of the TLV (from "note : line to line" on) we need to add one more 32 bits to identify the out-range, and we need to replicate this link-set tuple 15 times.  So in total the "line to line" become 5*15*4 = 300 bytes

Is my guess correct?

Cheers
G





 
Thanks,
Acee
 
 
On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Zhangfatai wrote:
 
Hi Acee,
 
Sorry for a mistake, :-)
 
I should say "when I update draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt" instead of "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt".
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Fatai
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Zhangfatai 
Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 11:38
To: 'Acee Lindem'; Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
 
Hi Acee,
 
I personally agree with your comments on "multi-instance LSA".
 
I will take your suggestions into account when I update "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt".
 
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Fatai
 
 
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To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung
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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
 
Hi Young, Greg,
I have the following comments:
 
  1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order rules per LSA. 
      For example (from RFC 3630): 
 
    "The Link TLV describes a single link.  It is constructed of a set of
      sub-TLVs.  There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs.
 
     Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine  
     granularity changes in topology."
 
     However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After all, these are
     Link State Advertisements. 
 
  2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example from 
       RFC 3630:
 
     "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear
      exactly once.  All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most
      once.  These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs.
      Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored."
 
      The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of specification. 
 
  3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I still don't like
      the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF specification, RFC 2328, 
      the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of the same LSA - NOT
      an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to section 12.1 in 
      RFC 2328. 
 
     The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) correctly 
      identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While RFC 3630 refers
      to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be avoided given the 
      semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the 
      following changes:
 
225,226c225,226
<    the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per
<    [RFC3630] multiple instance capability.
---
  the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, as
  described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250].
342,344c342,344
<    the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an Optical
<    Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per the
<    reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability.
---
  the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information sub-TLVs
  and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node
  Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]). 
392c392
<    into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances.
---
  into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs.
399c399
<    sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The
---
  sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The
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<    into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of
---
  into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of
 
    Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference.
 
 
 
  4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." to 
      "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing base 
      OSPF itself.  Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not make 
      this distinction. 
 
 
Thanks,
Acee 
 
 
 
On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote:
 
Hi,
 
This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. 
 
Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free to discuss in the mailing list. 
 
Regards,
Young
 
 
 
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Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: 
draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
 
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF.
 
   Title           : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks
   Author(s)       : Young Lee
                        Greg M. Bernstein
   Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
   Pages           : 14
   Date            : 2011-09-08
 
 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support
 signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network
 elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical
 or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical
 signals in the network are compatible with all network elements
 participating in the network.
 
 This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical
 or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators,
 and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to
 processing only certain types of WSON signals.
 
 
 
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--------------010408090909010801080506-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Sep 21 01:28:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73D721F8C2D; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:28:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g2WECIIWj7+N; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BF021F8A96; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:28:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110921082847.9420.50654.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:28:47 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:28:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Information model for G.709 Optical Transport Networks (= OTN) Author(s) : Sergio Belotti Pietro Vittorio Grandi Daniele Ceccarelli Diego Caviglia Fatai Zhang Dan Li Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2011-09-21 The recent revision of ITU-T recommendation G.709 [G.709-v3] has introduced new fixed and flexible ODU containers in Optical Transport Networks (OTNs), enabling optimized support for an increasingly abundant service mix. This document provides a model of information needed by the routing and signaling process in OTNs to support Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control of all currently defined ODU containers. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01= .txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01.= txt From sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com Wed Sep 21 01:39:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAD421F8B6D for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:39:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.805 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.805 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.444, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x36lcKwtgMTX for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455F521F8B66 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8L8ewqW014960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:41:54 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSB1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.41]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:41:36 +0200 From: "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:41:35 +0200 Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01.txt Thread-Index: Acx4OOY7MBMRcqCzTiWECnF69IVgPQAAFdkQ Message-ID: References: <20110921082847.9420.50654.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20110921082847.9420.50654.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: it-IT X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: [CCAMP] R: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:39:38 -0000 Dear all, The draft uploaded contains modification in par. 4.1 about Tributary slot g= ranularity information needs in signaling and routing, and relation with HW= fallback procedure. Best Regards The authors SERGIO BELOTTI ALCATEL-LUCENT Terrestrial System Architect Optics Portfolio Evolution via Trento 30 , Vimercate(MI) Italy T: +39 0396863033 Sergio.Belotti@alcatel-lucent.com -----Messaggio originale----- Da: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] Pe= r conto di internet-drafts@ietf.org Inviato: mercoled=EC 21 settembre 2011 10.29 A: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Oggetto: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. 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HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yBRSNSq8AEH5; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfcpa.amsl.com [12.22.58.47]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6C11F0C48; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id F404798C26B; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20110921190956.F404798C26B@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [CCAMP] RFC 6373 on MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Control Plane Framework X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: 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RFC 6373 Title: MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Control Plane Framework Author: L. Andersson, Ed., L. Berger, Ed., L. Fang, Ed., N. Bitar, Ed., E. Gray, Ed. Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: September 2011 Mailbox: loa.andersson@ericsson.com, lberger@labn.net, lufang@cisco.com, nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com, Eric.Gray@Ericsson.com Pages: 57 Characters: 144259 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-cp-framework-06.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6373.txt The MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) supports static provisioning of transport paths via a Network Management System (NMS) and dynamic provisioning of transport paths via a control plane. This document provides the framework for MPLS-TP dynamic provisioning and covers control-plane addressing, routing, path computation, signaling, traffic engineering, and path recovery. MPLS-TP uses GMPLS as the control plane for MPLS-TP Label Switched Paths (LSPs). 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Sep 22 02:06:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F7B21F8CED; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jjdwiVWb+NtM; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000D321F8B47; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:06:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110922090626.6373.58763.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:06:26 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:06:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element Constrain= ts Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Young Lee Jianrui Han Greg Bernstein Yunbin Xu Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-22 Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., MPLS), time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links may impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized MPLS (GMPLS). 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boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CC794C.B292CF8A" Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Questions/comments on OTN signaling Thread-Index: Acx5TLK62imqLTNqRbO9SLfzHCpWGg== From: "Gruman, Fred" To: Subject: [CCAMP] Questions/comments on OTN signaling X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:23:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC794C.B292CF8A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Fatai, =20 I have some comments/questions on draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09. =20 1) I think the draft should discuss the Generalized Label Request object. Will this object use the new OTN switching capability (Switching Type =3D 101)? =20 2) How is ODUflex(GFP) signaled? In general, the draft seems to lack detail on ODUflex(GFP). =20 More specifically, the draft states "In case of ODUflex(CBR), the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields MUST be used together to represent the actual bandwidth of ODUflex" and later "In case of other ODUk signal types, the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields are not necessary and MUST be set to 0." It is not clear if this implies that ODUflex(GFP) should set Bit_rate and Tolerance to zero. I would assume ODUflex(GFP) would need Bit_Rate, but unsure if tolerance is needed. =20 3) G.709 Amendment 2 (2011-04) Table 7-9 has a row to cover the generic ODUflex(CBR) with notes to the formulas to calculate the number of tributary slots. Additionally, this table has specific rows to cover ODUflex(CBR) IB SDR, IB DDR, IB QDR, FC-400, and FC-800 and specifies the explicit number of tributary slot assignments when mapped into ODUflex into HO-OPUk). =20 =20 It seems that the generic formula for ODUflex(CBR) does not result in the same number of tributary slots for some of these client signals. For example, IB SDR over HO-OPU3 has nominal bit rate of 2,500,000 kbits/s and bit rate tolerance of +/-100ppm (from G.709 Amend2 Table 17-14). Using the generic ODUflex(CBR) formula, you get: =20 N =3D ceiling [(2500000 * (1+100/1e6)) / ( 1254703.729 * (1-20/1e6)) ] =3D ceiling [2500250 / 1254678.635] =3D ceiling [1.99274135] =3D 2 =20 Table 7-9 shows that IB SDR mapped into ODUflex over HO-OPU3 would use 3 tributary slots, not 2. =20 Please verify my math but if the generic ODUflex formula does not apply to the IB or FC clients, then we may need to have explicit signal types for these clients. =20 I found that the IB clients do not match the generic formula for some HO-OPUk but the FC clients do match. This may mean we only would need explicit signal types for: - ODUflex(CBR)-IB-SDR - ODUflex(CBR)-IB-DDR - ODUflex(CBR)-IB-QDR =20 Please let me know what you think. =20 Thanks, Fred ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC794C.B292CF8A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Fatai,

 

I have some comments/questions on draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09.

 

1) I think the draft should discuss the Generalized = Label Request object.  Will this object use the new OTN switching = capability (Switching Type =3D 101)?

 

2)  How is ODUflex(GFP) signaled? In general, = the draft seems to lack detail on ODUflex(GFP).

 

More specifically, the draft states "In case = of ODUflex(CBR), the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields MUST be used together to represent the actual bandwidth of ODUflex" and later "In case = of other ODUk signal types, the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields are not = necessary and MUST be set to 0."  It is not clear if this implies that = ODUflex(GFP) should set Bit_rate and Tolerance to zero.  I would assume = ODUflex(GFP) would need Bit_Rate, but unsure if tolerance is needed.

 

3) G.709 Amendment 2 (2011-04) Table 7-9 has a row = to cover the generic ODUflex(CBR) with notes to the formulas to calculate the = number of tributary slots.  Additionally, this table has specific rows to = cover ODUflex(CBR) IB SDR, IB DDR, IB QDR, FC-400, and FC-800 and specifies = the explicit number of tributary slot assignments when mapped into ODUflex = into HO-OPUk).   

 

It seems that the generic formula for ODUflex(CBR) = does not result in the same number of tributary slots for some of these client = signals.  For example, IB SDR over HO-OPU3 has nominal bit rate of 2,500,000 = kbits/s and bit rate tolerance of +/-100ppm (from G.709 Amend2 Table 17-14).  = Using the generic ODUflex(CBR) formula, you get:

 

N =3D ceiling [(2500000 * (1+100/1e6)) / ( = 1254703.729 * (1-20/1e6)) ]

    =3D ceiling [2500250 / = 1254678.635]

    =3D ceiling = [1.99274135]

    =3D 2

 

Table 7-9 shows that IB SDR mapped into ODUflex = over HO-OPU3 would use 3 tributary slots, not 2.

 

Please verify my math but if the generic ODUflex = formula does not apply to the IB or FC clients, then we may need to have = explicit signal types for these clients.

 

I found that the IB clients do not match the = generic formula for some HO-OPUk but the FC clients do match.  This may mean we = only would need explicit signal types for:

- ODUflex(CBR)-IB-SDR

- ODUflex(CBR)-IB-DDR

- ODUflex(CBR)-IB-QDR

 

Please let me know what you think.

 

Thanks,

Fred

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Decomposing a Connectivity Matrix into Multiple Matrices In the highly unlikely event that a Connectivity matrix sub-TLV by itself would result in an LSA exceeding the MTU, a single large matrix can be decomposed into sub-matrices. Per [GEN-Encode] a connectivity matrix just consists of pairs of input and output ports that can reach each other and hence such this decomposition would be straightforward. Each of these sub-matrices would get a unique matrix identifier per [GEN-Encode]. Please let us know if you still have a question after reviewing the text. * Point #2: In addition, the revision proposed a new solution that allows multiple sub-TLV$B!G(Bs defined in a top-level TLV. Please see Section 2 in which we added the following text: This document defines a new top TLV named the Generic Node Attribute TLV which carries attributes related to a general network element. This Generic Node Attribute TLV contains one or more sub-TLVs And in Section 7.1, we added This document introduces a new Top Level Node TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) under the OSPF TE LSA defined in [RFC3630]. Value TLV Type TBA Generic Node Attribute Please let us know if this seems to be a viable solution. If not, please suggest an alternative solution. * Point #3: Finally, concerning your question/comment: Since it has to be "generic" we don't know in principle. Does not look a problem for *unconstrained* wson nodes. Don't know if others has different options for wson technology or may be possible other technologies (otn?). I am not clear what you are asking for here. But if I guess, you are concerned about $B!H(Bgeneric$B!I(B technology connectivity matrix. Please note that the reason why we needed the connectivity matrix in WSON was due to the nature of asymmetric nature of ROADM switching technology. If switches are symmetric, we don$B!G(Bt need to advertise the connectivity matrix. This means any port can be switched to any other ports. Please see the last paragraph of Section 2: In some specific technologies, e.g., WSON networks, Connectivity Matrix sub-TLV may be optional, which depends on the control plane implementations. Usually, for example, in WSON networks, Connectivity Matrix sub-TLV may appear in the LSAs because WSON switches are asymmetric at present. It is assumed that the switches are symmetric switching, if there is no Connectivity Matrix sub-TLV in the LSAs. Please let us know if you still have a question after reviewing the text. Best Regards, Young From: Giovanni Martinelli [mailto:giomarti@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:36 AM To: Leeyoung Cc: Acee Lindem; CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Hi, On 9/19/11 10:29 PM, Leeyoung wrote: Hi Giovanni, Your worst case analysis for 16 degree node connectivity matrix is subject to verification, but even if this is a right number, 300 bytes is well under 1500 byte MTU limit, so we can package it without sub-dividing the TLV. yes , I was not concerned about mtu but how to build a correct connectivity matrix beyond a simple 2 degree node. If you provide few more numbers there's probably a better feeling of "how many" bytes are (well beyond the mtu but well above the 75 bytes in the example). We can easily partition the connectivity matrix even if it goes beyond the MTU limit. Agree that's a good solution but my comment here is related to how do we partition. Would it worth to add some text about it? We could probably guess (e.g. linkset couple) but just to make sure all readers will have same interpretation. The last email to the CCAMP was concerning how to do it. - We can lift off RFC 5786 restriction to be able to send multiple TLVs under the current Node Attribute TLV. - Define a new top level TLV to do that. I know and I was not replaying on last email but trying to providing numbers for the connectivity matrix. I don$B!G(Bt think the scale of the connectivity matrix is a big issue. Since it has to be "generic" we don't know in principle. Does not look a problem for *unconstrained* wson nodes. Don't know if others has different options for wson technology or may be possible other technologies (otn?). Cheers G Regards, Young From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Giovanni Martinelli Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:09 PM To: Acee Lindem Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Hi, On 9/13/11 11:04 PM, Acee Lindem wrote: Hi Fatai, I only have two comments on this document: 1. Reference RFC 5250 rather than RFC 2370 as the former obsoleted the latter. 2. Possibly this draft should remove the RFC 5786 restriction that only a single OSPF TE LSA containing a top-level TLV is allowed. Couldn't the connectivity matrix become quite large? as far as I've see there is a couple of examples here http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05 within appendix A3 and A4. So asking authors, any other numbers around? My comment here is that those numbers refers essentially to 2 degree node. I would ask if draft can report some information (formula in the optimal case) that allow to figure out how the connectivity matrix scale. E.g. Thinking about a 16 degree node my guess reading the appendix A4: the last part of the TLV (from "note : line to line" on) we need to add one more 32 bits to identify the out-range, and we need to replicate this link-set tuple 15 times. So in total the "line to line" become 5*15*4 = 300 bytes Is my guess correct? Cheers G Thanks, Acee On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Zhangfatai wrote: Hi Acee, Sorry for a mistake, :-) I should say "when I update draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt" instead of "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". Thanks Fatai -----Original Message----- From: Zhangfatai Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 11:38 To: 'Acee Lindem'; Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung Cc: CCAMP Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Hi Acee, I personally agree with your comments on "multi-instance LSA". I will take your suggestions into account when I update "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt". Thanks Fatai -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 6:58 To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt Hi Young, Greg, I have the following comments: 1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order rules per LSA. For example (from RFC 3630): "The Link TLV describes a single link. It is constructed of a set of sub-TLVs. There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs. Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine granularity changes in topology." However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After all, these are Link State Advertisements. 2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example from RFC 3630: "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear exactly once. All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most once. These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs. Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored." The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of specification. 3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I still don't like the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF specification, RFC 2328, the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of the same LSA - NOT an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to section 12.1 in RFC 2328. The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) correctly identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While RFC 3630 refers to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be avoided given the semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the following changes: 225,226c225,226 < the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per < [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. --- the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, as described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250]. 342,344c342,344 < the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an Optical < Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per the < reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability. --- the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information sub-TLVs and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]). 392c392 < into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances. --- into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs. 399c399 < sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The --- sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The 473c473 < into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of --- into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference. 4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." to "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing base OSPF itself. Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not make this distinction. Thanks, Acee On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote: Hi, This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. 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Hi Giovanni,

 

We have updated the generic OSPF draft (thanks to Fatai).

 

·         Point #1: Regarding your concern on how to build a connectivity matrix in case we need to decompose into several sub-TLV$B!G(Bs, we have added the following subsection in the revision:

 

5.2. Decomposing a Connectivity Matrix into Multiple Matrices

 

   In the highly unlikely event that a Connectivity matrix sub-TLV by

   itself would result in an LSA exceeding the MTU, a single large

   matrix can be decomposed into sub-matrices. Per [GEN-Encode] a

   connectivity matrix just consists of pairs of input and output ports

   that can reach each other and hence such this decomposition would be

   straightforward. Each of these sub-matrices would get a unique matrix

   identifier per [GEN-Encode].

 

Please let us know if you still have a question after reviewing the text.

 

 

·         Point  #2: In addition, the revision proposed a new solution that allows multiple sub-TLV$B!G(Bs defined in a top-level TLV. Please see Section 2 in which we added the following text:

 

   This document defines a new top TLV named the Generic Node Attribute

   TLV which carries attributes related to a general network element.

   This Generic Node Attribute TLV contains one or more sub-TLVs

 

And in Section 7.1, we added

 

   This document introduces a new Top Level Node TLV (Generic Node

   Attribute TLV) under the OSPF TE LSA defined in [RFC3630].

 

      Value    TLV Type

 

      TBA      Generic Node Attribute

 

Please let us know if this seems to be a viable solution. If not, please suggest an alternative solution.

 

 

·         Point #3: Finally, concerning your question/comment: Since it has to be "generic" we don't know in principle. Does not look a problem for *unconstrained* wson nodes. Don't know if others has different options for wson technology or may be possible other technologies (otn?).

I am not clear what you are asking for here. But if I guess, you are concerned about $B!H(Bgeneric$B!I(B technology connectivity matrix. Please note that the reason why we needed the connectivity matrix in WSON was due to the nature of asymmetric nature of ROADM switching technology.

 

If switches are symmetric, we don$B!G(Bt need to advertise the connectivity matrix. This means any port can be switched to any other ports. Please see the last paragraph of Section 2:

 

   In some specific technologies, e.g., WSON networks, Connectivity

   Matrix sub-TLV may be optional, which depends on the control plane

   implementations. Usually, for example, in WSON networks, Connectivity

   Matrix sub-TLV may appear in the LSAs because WSON switches are

   asymmetric at present. It is assumed that the switches are symmetric

   switching, if there is no Connectivity Matrix sub-TLV in the LSAs. 

 

Please let us know if you still have a question after reviewing the text.

 

Best Regards,

Young

 

From: Giovanni Martinelli [mailto:giomarti@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:36 AM
To: Leeyoung
Cc: Acee Lindem; CCAMP
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt

 

Hi,

On 9/19/11 10:29 PM, Leeyoung wrote:

Hi Giovanni,

 

Your worst case analysis for 16 degree node connectivity matrix is subject to verification,

but even if this is a right number, 300 bytes is well under 1500 byte MTU limit, so we can package it without sub-dividing the TLV.  

 

yes , I was not concerned about mtu but how to build a correct connectivity matrix beyond a simple 2 degree node. If you provide few more numbers there's probably a better feeling of "how many" bytes are (well beyond the mtu but well above the 75 bytes in the example).


We can easily partition the connectivity matrix even if it goes beyond the MTU limit.

Agree that's a good solution  but my comment here is related to how do we partition. Would it worth to add some text about it? We could probably guess (e.g. linkset couple) but just to make sure all readers will have same interpretation.


The last email to the CCAMP was concerning how to do it.

-          We can lift off RFC 5786 restriction to be able to send multiple TLVs under the current Node Attribute TLV.

-          Define a new top level TLV to do that.

 

I know and I was not replaying on last email but trying to providing numbers for the connectivity matrix. 


I don$B!G(Bt think the scale of the connectivity matrix is a big issue.

 

Since it has to be "generic" we don't know in principle. Does not look a problem for *unconstrained* wson nodes. Don't know if others has different options for wson technology or may be possible other technologies (otn?).

Cheers
G

Regards,

Young

 

 

From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Giovanni Martinelli
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:09 PM
To: Acee Lindem
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt

 

Hi,

On 9/13/11 11:04 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:

Hi Fatai,
I only have two comments on this document:
 
  1. Reference RFC 5250 rather than RFC 2370 as the former obsoleted the latter. 
  2. Possibly this draft should remove the RFC 5786 restriction that only a single OSPF TE LSA containing a top-level TLV is allowed. 
      Couldn't the connectivity matrix become quite large? 

as far as I've see there is a couple of  examples here http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05 within appendix A3 and A4.  So asking authors, any other numbers around?

My comment here is that those numbers refers essentially to 2 degree node. I would ask if draft can report some information (formula in the optimal case) that allow to figure out how the connectivity matrix scale.

E.g. Thinking about a 16 degree node my guess reading the appendix A4: the last part of the TLV (from "note : line to line" on) we need to add one more 32 bits to identify the out-range, and we need to replicate this link-set tuple 15 times.  So in total the "line to line" become 5*15*4 = 300 bytes

Is my guess correct?

Cheers
G






 
Thanks,
Acee
 
 
On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Zhangfatai wrote:
 
Hi Acee,
 
Sorry for a mistake, :-)
 
I should say "when I update draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt" instead of "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt".
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Fatai
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Zhangfatai 
Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 11:38
To: 'Acee Lindem'; Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
 
Hi Acee,
 
I personally agree with your comments on "multi-instance LSA".
 
I will take your suggestions into account when I update "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt".
 
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Fatai
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem
Sent: 2011$BG/(B9$B7n(B13$BF|(B 6:58
To: Greg Bernstein; Leeyoung
Cc: CCAMP
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
 
Hi Young, Greg,
I have the following comments:
 
  1. Specify that the Optical Node Property TLV cardinality and order rules per LSA. 
      For example (from RFC 3630): 
 
    "The Link TLV describes a single link.  It is constructed of a set of
      sub-TLVs.  There are no ordering requirements for the sub-TLVs.
 
     Only one Link TLV shall be carried in each LSA, allowing for fine  
     granularity changes in topology."
 
     However, use the term "advertised" rather than "carried". After all, these are
     Link State Advertisements. 
 
  2. The same comment for all the Sub-TLVs. Here is another example from 
       RFC 3630:
 
     "The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear
      exactly once.  All other sub-TLVs defined here may occur at most
      once.  These restrictions need not apply to future sub-TLVs.
      Unrecognized sub-TLVs are ignored."
 
      The new Sub-TLVs you are defining need this level of specification. 
 
  3. I know I told you not to use the term "multi-instance LSA". I still don't like
      the usage of "LSA instance" in the draft. In the base OSPF specification, RFC 2328, 
      the term LSA instance is used to denote a particular version of the same LSA - NOT
      an opaque identifier for multiple LSAs of the same type. Refer to section 12.1 in 
      RFC 2328. 
 
     The OSPF Opaque LSA RFC (RFC 2370 and its successor RFC 5250) correctly 
      identify the last 24 bits of the LSA ID as the Opaque ID. While RFC 3630 refers
      to this field as the "Instance", I believe this term should be avoided given the 
      semantics in the OSPF base specification. Hence, I'd suggest the 
      following changes:
 
225,226c225,226
<    the rest and make use of multiple TE LSA instances per source, per
<    [RFC3630] multiple instance capability.
---
  the rest and be advertised with multiple TE LSAs per OSPF router, as
  described in [RFC3630] and [RFC5250].
342,344c342,344
<    the dynamic information sub-TLVs into separate LSAs within an Optical
<    Node Property TLV using multiple TE LSA instances per source, per the
<    reference [RFC3630] multiple instance capability.
---
  the dynamic information sub-TLVs from the static information sub-TLVs
  and advertise them in OSPF TE LSAs, each with the Optical Node
  Property TLV at the top level ([RFC3630 and RFC5250]). 
392c392
<    into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate LSA instances.
---
  into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs.
399c399
<    sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple LSA instances. The
---
  sub-TLVs that can be sent in multiple OSPF TE LSAs. The
473c473
<    into multiple LSA instances each containing a disjoint assembly of
---
  into multiple OSPF TE LSAs each containing a disjoint assembly of
 
    Additionally, I'd add RFC 5250 as at least a informative reference.
 
 
 
  4. Finally, I'd suggest changing the title from "OSPF Enhancement..." to 
      "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." since you are not really enhancing base 
      OSPF itself.  Of course, there are other CCAMP RFCs that do not make 
      this distinction. 
 
 
Thanks,
Acee 
 
 
 
On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leeyoung wrote:
 
Hi,
 
This update added a new section to discuss OSPF scalability and how to use multiple TE LSA instance technique to keep the LSA under the MTU limit. Please note that the MTU limit is 1500 bytes and the examples given in the encoding draft is far below this limit. In case the LSA size goes above the MTU, this draft discusses how to split the Sub-TLVs' defined under the Optical Node Property TLV under the MTU limit to avoid fragmentation. 
 
Take a look at Section 3 and if you have questions, please feel free to discuss in the mailing list. 
 
Regards,
Young
 
 
 
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF.
 
   Title           : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks
   Author(s)       : Young Lee
                        Greg M. Bernstein
   Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-05.txt
   Pages           : 14
   Date            : 2011-09-08
 
 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support
 signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network
 elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical
 or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical
 signals in the network are compatible with all network elements
 participating in the network.
 
 This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical
 or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators,
 and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to
 processing only certain types of WSON signals.
 
 
 
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From lberger@labn.net Fri Sep 23 04:37:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDE221F8B0D for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.886 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.886 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.725, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LZtP3CWwMMYX for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A64321F8888 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23272 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 2011 11:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2011 11:40:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=U265mC3mLL2yTYuGlMdi6xNo8FyDRSFpzMDWaHIMLfY=; b=tVrAucc3MN30Z4vh9Lk7i849IFnDkLFYKUhKOdv95rLrxC3DFJmZaONw25ST+GS/2tJJDQbqstxEmGWXZrE4N32f8Bm6Vje/rx2mUcLliuV0L7eJ2tXtEwYrRNN0qm0F; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R7475-0002Xx-JU; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 05:40:15 -0600 Message-ID: <4E7C7021.9010806@labn.net> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:40:17 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zhangfatai References: <20110922090626.6373.58763.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:37:54 -0000 Fatai/Authors, A couple of suggestions on the document: 1- I suggest taking another pass through the document to see which portions can be made truly generic, and to use WSON only as an example or specific case. Clearly this isn't possible in all cases, but should be in others, e.g., the section on scaling. 2- While narrative/informative language is important to have, it's the normative language that is the main point of a standards track document. I suggest reviewing the document to ensure that the document has RFC2119 conformance language covering any definition related to behavior on the wire. Much thanks, Lou On 9/22/2011 5:17 AM, Zhangfatai wrote: > Hi CCAMPers, > > A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the WG > discussion. > > We accepted Acee and Young's suggestion to introduce a new top-level > node TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new > section (Section 5) was added to describe scalability issue. > > More information from: > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Please check out for details and comments are always welcome. > > > Thanks > > Fatai > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 2011年9月22日 17:06 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element Constraints > Author(s) : Fatai Zhang > Young Lee > Jianrui Han > Greg Bernstein > Yunbin Xu > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2011-09-22 > > Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a > wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., MPLS), > time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and > spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or > fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links may > impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch > connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations > on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to > support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized > MPLS (GMPLS). > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Fri Sep 23 16:07:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C9321F8AA8; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.722 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.722 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.645, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D2Ty+hDeWjdc; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfcpa.amsl.com [12.22.58.47]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FBF21F8A56; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id B1C5298C277; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:09:41 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20110923230941.B1C5298C277@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [CCAMP] RFC 6387 on GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 23:07:06 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6387 Title: GMPLS Asymmetric Bandwidth Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs) Author: A. Takacs, L. Berger, D. Caviglia, D. Fedyk, J. Meuric Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: September 2011 Mailbox: attila.takacs@ericsson.com, lberger@labn.net, diego.caviglia@ericsson.com, donald.fedyk@alcatel-lucent.com, julien.meuric@orange.com Pages: 11 Characters: 23329 Obsoletes: RFC5467 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ccamp-asymm-bw-bidir-lsps-bis-03.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6387.txt This document defines a method for the support of GMPLS asymmetric bandwidth bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs). The approach presented is applicable to any switching technology and builds on the original Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP) model for the transport of traffic-related parameters. This document moves the experiment documented in RFC 5467 to the standards track and obsoletes RFC 5467. 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Hi F= red,

 

Thanks for your usefu= l comments and we will reflect the latest progress of G.709 in the next ver= sion.

 

Please see more in-li= ne below.=

 

 

 

Thanks
 
Fatai

 

From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Gruman, Fred
Sent: 2011
=C4=EA9=D4=C223=C8= =D5 1:26
To: ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: [CCAMP] Questions/comments on OTN signaling

 

Hello Fatai,<= /p>

 

I have some comments/questions = on draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09.

 

1) I think the draft should dis= cuss the Generalized Label Request object.  Will this object use the n= ew OTN switching capability (Switching Type =3D 101)?

 

[Fatai] Yes, agree with you. We have captured this in the FWK docume= nt and will update the signaling draft in the next version.

 

2)  How is ODUflex(GFP) si= gnaled? In general, the draft seems to lack detail on ODUflex(GFP).

 

More specifically, the draft st= ates "In case of ODUflex(CBR), the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields MUST = be used together to represent the actual bandwidth of ODUflex" and lat= er "In case of other ODUk signal types, the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields are not necessary and MUST be set to 0."  I= t is not clear if this implies that ODUflex(GFP) should set Bit_rate and To= lerance to zero.  I would assume ODUflex(GFP) would need Bit_Rate, but= unsure if tolerance is needed.

 

[Fatai] The bit rates and tolerance of ODUflex(GFP) was not standard= ized until the G.709 Amd2 was issued, so we didn=A1=AFt touch it in this dr= aft so far. 

In the G.709 Amd2, it says: =A1=B0Any= bit rate is possible for an ODUflex(GFP) signal, however it is suggested f= or maximum efficiency that the ODUflex(GFP) will fill an integral number of tributary slots of the smallest HO ODUk path ov= er which the ODUflex(GFP) may be carried. The recommended bit-rates to meet= this criteria are specified in Table 7-8.<= /span>=A1=B1<= o:p>

 

We can understand that ONLY 80 values are allowed  and the inte= rmediate values are not allowed (see Table 7-8 in G.709 Amd2). Each of the = 80 values is rigidly associated to a number of tributary slots and that the tolerance is fixed to +/- 100ppm. Note= that the tolerance is already comprised in the 80 values.

 

So, we agree with you that ODUflex(GFP) would need Bir_Rate, but it = does not need tolerance.

 

We will add some text to address ODUflex(GFP).

 

3) G.709 Amendment 2 (2011-04) = Table 7-9 has a row to cover the generic ODUflex(CBR) with notes to the for= mulas to calculate the number of tributary slots.  Additionally, this = table has specific rows to cover ODUflex(CBR) IB SDR, IB DDR, IB QDR, FC-400, and FC-800 and specifies the explicit numb= er of tributary slot assignments when mapped into ODUflex into HO-OPUk). &n= bsp; 

 

It seems that the generic formu= la for ODUflex(CBR) does not result in the same number of tributary slots f= or some of these client signals.  For example, IB SDR over HO-OPU3 has= nominal bit rate of 2,500,000 kbits/s and bit rate tolerance of +/-100ppm (from G.709 Amend2 Table 17-14). = Using the generic ODUflex(CBR) formula, you get:

 

N =3D ceiling [(2500000 * (1= 3;100/1e6)) / ( 1254703.729 * (1-20/1e6)) ]

    =3D ceiling = [2500250 / 1254678.635]

    =3D ceiling = [1.99274135]

    =3D 2

 

Table 7-9 shows that IB SDR map= ped into ODUflex over HO-OPU3 would use 3 tributary slots, not 2.

 

Please verify my math but if th= e generic ODUflex formula does not apply to the IB or FC clients, then we m= ay need to have explicit signal types for these clients.<= /p>

 

I found that the IB clients do = not match the generic formula for some HO-OPUk but the FC clients do match.=   This may mean we only would need explicit signal types for:

- ODUflex(CBR)-IB-SDR

- ODUflex(CBR)-IB-DDR

- ODUflex(CBR)-IB-QDR

 

[Fatai]  If you also take into account the Transcoding Factor d= escribed in G.709 and associated to 8B/10B and 64B/65B, you will find the n= umber of tributary slot is correct for your example.

 

The formulas described in Table 7-9 of G.709V3(12/2009) are as follo= ws:

Number of tributary slots =3D Ceiling(= ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T=A1=C1ODTU2.ts nominal bit rate) =A1=C1 (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU= 2 bit rate tolerance)).

Number of tributary slots =3D Ceiling(= ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T=A1=C1ODTU3.ts nominal bit rate) =A1=C1 (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU= 3 bit rate tolerance)).

Number of tributary slots =3D Ceiling(= ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T=A1=C1ODTU4.ts nominal bit rate) =A1=C1 (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU= 4 bit rate tolerance)).

 

WITH T specified as follows:

 

T=3D16/15 for 8B/10B encoded CBR clien= ts, T=3D1027/1024 for 64B/66B encoded CBR clients and T=3D1 for other clien= ts

 

We will update this draft with this formula:

 

Number of tributary slots =3D Ceiling(= ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T=A1=C1ODTUj.ts nominal bit rate) =A1=C1 (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU= j bit rate tolerance)).

 

Inserting also the meaning of T.

 

So, we don=A1=AFt need to introduce the new signal types, we just ne= ed to use the updated formula.

 

Please let me know what you thi= nk.

 

Thanks,

Fred

--Boundary_(ID_PvVvdEkGRCeoahAN/ysa4A)-- From fred.gruman@us.fujitsu.com Sat Sep 24 05:15:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A4A21F8AF9 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 05:15:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56yaheD8U-yV for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 05:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fncnmp04.fnc.fujitsu.com (fncnmp04.fnc.fujitsu.com [168.127.0.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D00A21F84AB for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 05:15:26 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,435,1312174800"; d="scan'208,217";a="479203788" Received: from rchemxp01.fnc.net.local ([168.127.134.111]) by fncnmp02.fnc.fujitsu.com with ESMTP; 24 Sep 2011 07:18:02 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CC7AB4.017E14CA" Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 07:17:59 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Questions/comments on OTN signaling Thread-Index: Acx5TLK62imqLTNqRbO9SLfzHCpWGgBQ60nAAAfOoIA= References: A From: "Gruman, Fred" To: "Zhangfatai" , Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Questions/comments on OTN signaling X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:15:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7AB4.017E14CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Fatai, Thank you for your response on these items On item #3, I found the error in my calculation. The problem was not with the transcoding factor (as T>=1 and in the denominator, it would actually only tend to reduce the number of TS required). I was using the client bit rate for IB in the formula instead of the ODUflex bit rate. The ODUflex bit rate should be 239/238 x client bit rate. Taking account this factor results in the correct number of TS per G.709 Table 7-9. I apologize for the confusion. Regards, Fred From: Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:26 AM To: Gruman, Fred; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: RE: Questions/comments on OTN signaling Hi Fred, Thanks for your useful comments and we will reflect the latest progress of G.709 in the next version. Please see more in-line below. Thanks Fatai From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gruman, Fred Sent: 2011$BG/(J9$B7n(J23$BF|(J 1:26 To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Questions/comments on OTN signaling Hello Fatai, I have some comments/questions on draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09. 1) I think the draft should discuss the Generalized Label Request object. Will this object use the new OTN switching capability (Switching Type = 101)? [Fatai] Yes, agree with you. We have captured this in the FWK document and will update the signaling draft in the next version. 2) How is ODUflex(GFP) signaled? In general, the draft seems to lack detail on ODUflex(GFP). More specifically, the draft states "In case of ODUflex(CBR), the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields MUST be used together to represent the actual bandwidth of ODUflex" and later "In case of other ODUk signal types, the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields are not necessary and MUST be set to 0." It is not clear if this implies that ODUflex(GFP) should set Bit_rate and Tolerance to zero. I would assume ODUflex(GFP) would need Bit_Rate, but unsure if tolerance is needed. [Fatai] The bit rates and tolerance of ODUflex(GFP) was not standardized until the G.709 Amd2 was issued, so we didn$B!G(Jt touch it in this draft so far. In the G.709 Amd2, it says: $B!H(JAny bit rate is possible for an ODUflex(GFP) signal, however it is suggested for maximum efficiency that the ODUflex(GFP) will fill an integral number of tributary slots of the smallest HO ODUk path over which the ODUflex(GFP) may be carried. The recommended bit-rates to meet this criteria are specified in Table 7-8.$B!I(J We can understand that ONLY 80 values are allowed and the intermediate values are not allowed (see Table 7-8 in G.709 Amd2). Each of the 80 values is rigidly associated to a number of tributary slots and that the tolerance is fixed to +/- 100ppm. Note that the tolerance is already comprised in the 80 values. So, we agree with you that ODUflex(GFP) would need Bir_Rate, but it does not need tolerance. We will add some text to address ODUflex(GFP). 3) G.709 Amendment 2 (2011-04) Table 7-9 has a row to cover the generic ODUflex(CBR) with notes to the formulas to calculate the number of tributary slots. Additionally, this table has specific rows to cover ODUflex(CBR) IB SDR, IB DDR, IB QDR, FC-400, and FC-800 and specifies the explicit number of tributary slot assignments when mapped into ODUflex into HO-OPUk). It seems that the generic formula for ODUflex(CBR) does not result in the same number of tributary slots for some of these client signals. For example, IB SDR over HO-OPU3 has nominal bit rate of 2,500,000 kbits/s and bit rate tolerance of +/-100ppm (from G.709 Amend2 Table 17-14). Using the generic ODUflex(CBR) formula, you get: N = ceiling [(2500000 * (1+100/1e6)) / ( 1254703.729 * (1-20/1e6)) ] = ceiling [2500250 / 1254678.635] = ceiling [1.99274135] = 2 Table 7-9 shows that IB SDR mapped into ODUflex over HO-OPU3 would use 3 tributary slots, not 2. Please verify my math but if the generic ODUflex formula does not apply to the IB or FC clients, then we may need to have explicit signal types for these clients. I found that the IB clients do not match the generic formula for some HO-OPUk but the FC clients do match. This may mean we only would need explicit signal types for: - ODUflex(CBR)-IB-SDR - ODUflex(CBR)-IB-DDR - ODUflex(CBR)-IB-QDR [Fatai] If you also take into account the Transcoding Factor described in G.709 and associated to 8B/10B and 64B/65B, you will find the number of tributary slot is correct for your example. The formulas described in Table 7-9 of G.709V3(12/2009) are as follows: Number of tributary slots = Ceiling(ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T$B!_(JODTU2.ts nominal bit rate) $B!_(J (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU2 bit rate tolerance)). Number of tributary slots = Ceiling(ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T$B!_(JODTU3.ts nominal bit rate) $B!_(J (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU3 bit rate tolerance)). Number of tributary slots = Ceiling(ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T$B!_(JODTU4.ts nominal bit rate) $B!_(J (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU4 bit rate tolerance)). WITH T specified as follows: T=16/15 for 8B/10B encoded CBR clients, T=1027/1024 for 64B/66B encoded CBR clients and T=1 for other clients We will update this draft with this formula: Number of tributary slots = Ceiling(ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T$B!_(JODTUj.ts nominal bit rate) $B!_(J (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPUj bit rate tolerance)). Inserting also the meaning of T. So, we don$B!G(Jt need to introduce the new signal types, we just need to use the updated formula. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Fred ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7AB4.017E14CA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello Fatai,

 

Thank you for your response on these items

 

On item #3, I found the error in my calculation.  The problem was not with the transcoding factor (as T>=1 and in the denominator, it would actually only tend to reduce the number of TS required).

 

I was using the client bit rate for IB in the formula instead of the ODUflex bit rate.  The ODUflex bit rate should be 239/238 x client bit rate.  Taking account this factor results in the correct number of TS per G.709 Table 7-9.

 

I apologize for the confusion.

 

Regards,

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

From: Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:26 AM
To: Gruman, Fred; ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Questions/comments on OTN signaling

 

Hi Fred,

 

Thanks for your useful comments and we will reflect the latest progress of G.709 in the next version.

 

Please see more in-line below.

 

 

 

Thanks
 
Fatai

 

From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gruman, Fred
Sent: 2011
$BG/(B9$B7n(B23$BF|(B 1:26
To: ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: [CCAMP] Questions/comments on OTN signaling

 

Hello Fatai,

 

I have some comments/questions on draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09.

 

1) I think the draft should discuss the Generalized Label Request object.  Will this object use the new OTN switching capability (Switching Type = 101)?

 

[Fatai] Yes, agree with you. We have captured this in the FWK document and will update the signaling draft in the next version.

 

2)  How is ODUflex(GFP) signaled? In general, the draft seems to lack detail on ODUflex(GFP).

 

More specifically, the draft states "In case of ODUflex(CBR), the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields MUST be used together to represent the actual bandwidth of ODUflex" and later "In case of other ODUk signal types, the Bit_Rate and Tolerance fields are not necessary and MUST be set to 0."  It is not clear if this implies that ODUflex(GFP) should set Bit_rate and Tolerance to zero.  I would assume ODUflex(GFP) would need Bit_Rate, but unsure if tolerance is needed.

 

[Fatai] The bit rates and tolerance of ODUflex(GFP) was not standardized until the G.709 Amd2 was issued, so we didn$B!G(Bt touch it in this draft so far. 

In the G.709 Amd2, it says: $B!H(BAny bit rate is possible for an ODUflex(GFP) signal, however it is suggested for maximum efficiency that the ODUflex(GFP) will fill an integral number of tributary slots of the smallest HO ODUk path over which the ODUflex(GFP) may be carried. The recommended bit-rates to meet this criteria are specified in Table 7-8.$B!I(B

 

We can understand that ONLY 80 values are allowed  and the intermediate values are not allowed (see Table 7-8 in G.709 Amd2). Each of the 80 values is rigidly associated to a number of tributary slots and that the tolerance is fixed to +/- 100ppm. Note that the tolerance is already comprised in the 80 values.

 

So, we agree with you that ODUflex(GFP) would need Bir_Rate, but it does not need tolerance.

 

We will add some text to address ODUflex(GFP).

 

3) G.709 Amendment 2 (2011-04) Table 7-9 has a row to cover the generic ODUflex(CBR) with notes to the formulas to calculate the number of tributary slots.  Additionally, this table has specific rows to cover ODUflex(CBR) IB SDR, IB DDR, IB QDR, FC-400, and FC-800 and specifies the explicit number of tributary slot assignments when mapped into ODUflex into HO-OPUk).   

 

It seems that the generic formula for ODUflex(CBR) does not result in the same number of tributary slots for some of these client signals.  For example, IB SDR over HO-OPU3 has nominal bit rate of 2,500,000 kbits/s and bit rate tolerance of +/-100ppm (from G.709 Amend2 Table 17-14).  Using the generic ODUflex(CBR) formula, you get:

 

N = ceiling [(2500000 * (1+100/1e6)) / ( 1254703.729 * (1-20/1e6)) ]

    = ceiling [2500250 / 1254678.635]

    = ceiling [1.99274135]

    = 2

 

Table 7-9 shows that IB SDR mapped into ODUflex over HO-OPU3 would use 3 tributary slots, not 2.

 

Please verify my math but if the generic ODUflex formula does not apply to the IB or FC clients, then we may need to have explicit signal types for these clients.

 

I found that the IB clients do not match the generic formula for some HO-OPUk but the FC clients do match.  This may mean we only would need explicit signal types for:

- ODUflex(CBR)-IB-SDR

- ODUflex(CBR)-IB-DDR

- ODUflex(CBR)-IB-QDR

 

[Fatai]  If you also take into account the Transcoding Factor described in G.709 and associated to 8B/10B and 64B/65B, you will find the number of tributary slot is correct for your example.

 

The formulas described in Table 7-9 of G.709V3(12/2009) are as follows:

Number of tributary slots = Ceiling(ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T$B!_(BODTU2.ts nominal bit rate) $B!_(B (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU2 bit rate tolerance)).

Number of tributary slots = Ceiling(ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T$B!_(BODTU3.ts nominal bit rate) $B!_(B (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU3 bit rate tolerance)).

Number of tributary slots = Ceiling(ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T$B!_(BODTU4.ts nominal bit rate) $B!_(B (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPU4 bit rate tolerance)).

 

WITH T specified as follows:

 

T=16/15 for 8B/10B encoded CBR clients, T=1027/1024 for 64B/66B encoded CBR clients and T=1 for other clients

 

We will update this draft with this formula:

 

Number of tributary slots = Ceiling(ODUflex(CBR) nominal bit rate/(T$B!_(BODTUj.ts nominal bit rate) $B!_(B (1+ODUflex(CBR) bit rate tolerance)/(1-HO OPUj bit rate tolerance)).

 

Inserting also the meaning of T.

 

So, we don$B!G(Bt need to introduce the new signal types, we just need to use the updated formula.

 

Please let me know what you think.

 

Thanks,

Fred

------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7AB4.017E14CA-- From lberger@labn.net Sat Sep 24 08:08:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42A421F8A67 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.875 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.875 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.714, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8bv6fjkQHmGm for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2005021F8A64 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29237 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2011 15:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2011 15:11:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=hwqy1XmNnWfjWDsKfMq+d5G2E46+ckbKxO86HYAgLgs=; b=rH2k+Kr8cRUWdLzucQdPBC/As9veUJNjK4bIvfzznHp57e7gFDTD1wdys9XXsNZrGYziUZboWI2B/+NBmL/Za0hcH668OJwUXMeA/QYkdLx90GJFIp/QyoF5fDoDbaec; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R7Tsd-0000G3-0w; Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:11:03 -0600 Message-ID: <4E7DF30A.70806@labn.net> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:11:06 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zhangfatai References: <20110922090626.6373.58763.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4E7C7021.9010806@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:08:28 -0000 Fatai, On 9/23/2011 9:06 PM, Zhangfatai wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Thanks for your suggestions. > > For point 1, We would like to examine the document again to see which > portions can be truly generic. I am not sure that I got the meaning > of the sentence: " Clearly this isn't possible in all cases, but > should be in others, e.g., the section on scaling." Did you mean > that the section on scaling is not truly generic? Could you explain > more? > opps, that should have read "e.g., Available Labels section". The standards section was supposed to be the example for the second point. Looking at Section 3.2., the WSON related text in the section really should be generalized to be technology agnostic. I also don't see why the WSON label format is included in this document. (If anything, it can be included in the GEN-Encoding document as in an example of how to encode a bitmap label set.) Lou > For this point, we also like to see the comments from the WG. > > For point 2, agree with you. We will update this draft in the next > version based on your suggestion. > > > > > > Thanks > > Fatai > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: 2011年9月23日 19:40 > To: Zhangfatai > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Fatai/Authors, > > A couple of suggestions on the document: > > 1- I suggest taking another pass through the document to see > which portions can be made truly generic, and to use WSON > only as an example or specific case. Clearly this isn't > possible in all cases, but should be in others, e.g., the > section on scaling. > > 2- While narrative/informative language is important to have, > it's the normative language that is the main point of a > standards track document. I suggest reviewing the document > to ensure that the document has RFC2119 conformance language > covering any definition related to behavior on the wire. > > Much thanks, > > Lou > > On 9/22/2011 5:17 AM, Zhangfatai wrote: >> Hi CCAMPers, >> >> A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the WG >> discussion. >> >> We accepted Acee and Young's suggestion to introduce a new top-level >> node TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new >> section (Section 5) was added to describe scalability issue. >> >> More information from: >> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt >> >> Please check out for details and comments are always welcome. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Sent: 2011年9月22日 17:06 >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. >> >> Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element Constraints >> Author(s) : Fatai Zhang >> Young Lee >> Jianrui Han >> Greg Bernstein >> Yunbin Xu >> Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt >> Pages : 14 >> Date : 2011-09-22 >> >> Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a >> wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., MPLS), >> time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and >> spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or >> fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links may >> impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch >> connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations >> on links. 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<7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17181669D3@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Leeyoung" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2011 15:58:55.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[31EF28C0:01CC7C65] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:56:19 -0000 Hi,=20 I have the following comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 after it being updated and in light of the WG discussions: 1) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field: The information model indicates that the resource block set is optional for the "Resource Block Information", hence the text should be modified as follow: "0 - Inclusive List Indicates that the TLV contains zero or more RB elements that are included in the list." 2) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field: RB Identifier: as stated in section "3. Resources, Blocks, Sets, and the Resource Pool", Resources and Resource Blocks are related to interface cards. GMPLS implementations are using 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs to identify GMPLS links and also the corresponding physical resources. OEO devices and, in the context of this document, resource or resource group can also be identified by 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs. From an implementation point of view, having 16-bit resource block IDs have several drawbacks because of the following points: a) Mapping exists between physical resource and unnumbered interface IDs, this mapping is generally known by management system, introducing a different ID space is not optimal (new mapping needed); b) Those OEOs might be used as links in a multi-node model, thus being identified by a 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs, introducing another space is also not optimal. Therefore, it would be better if the resource block IDs were 32-bit interface IDs (to be unique within the node, not because they are representing links in this document). 3) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field Why not define a bit set=20 action, similar to the label set? 4) section 4.3. Resource Pool State Sub-TLV The RB state refers to the number of available resources within the=20 resource block, the first sentence mentions the resource pool only. In addition, a bit map can be used even in case the resource block contains several resources. The following text tries to reflect this, please consider it. "The state of the pool is given by the number of resources available with particular characteristics. A resource block set is used to encode all or a subset of the resources of interest. The usage state of resources within a resource block set is encoded as either a list of 16-bit integer values, indicating the number of available resources in the resource block, or a map of bits, indicating whether a particular resource is available or not." 5) section 4.3. Resource Pool State Sub-TLV Typo: "RB Usage state: Variable Length but must be a multiple of 4=20 bytes." (byes->bytes) 6) section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV Having an Input Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of=20 modulation formats (with an input-output bit) and an Output Modulation=20 Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of modulation formats (with an input-output bit) seems redundant because the bit I already indicates if it is an output or input modulation format. Having a single Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV is providing the same information with an efficient encoding, a single sub-sub-TLV type should be used. Same reasoning apply to the FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV. 7) section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV Add the following text: "The order of sub-sub-TLVs does not matter, the sub-sub-TLVs MAY be in any order." Best Regards,=20 Cyril Margaria > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Leeyoung > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:30 PM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > Hi, >=20 > This update (version 12) includes the following: >=20 > (i) Replaced all instances of "ingress" with "input" and all instances > of "egress" with "output". > (ii) Added clarifying text on relationship between resource block model > and physical entities such as line cards. >=20 > This draft is now very mature and incorporated all the comments raised > in the mailing list and the last meetings. >=20 > Thanks, > Young >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:20 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information > Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks > Author(s) : Young Lee > Greg M. Bernstein > Dan Li > Wataru Imajuku > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2011-09-09 >=20 > This document provides a model of information needed by the routing > and wavelength assignment (RWA) process in wavelength switched > optical networks (WSONs). The purpose of the information described > in this model is to facilitate constrained lightpath computation in > WSONs. This model takes into account compatibility constraints > between WSON signal attributes and network elements but does not > include constraints due to optical impairments. Aspects of this > information that may be of use to other technologies utilizing a > GMPLS control plane are discussed. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Mon Sep 26 13:10:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7DD21F8CF6; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:10:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0c06I+VsmmzU; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F4421F8CEA; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110926201050.16507.39664.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:10:50 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Last Call: (LSP Attributes Related Routing Backus-Naur Form) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:10:50 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG (ccamp) to consider the following document: - 'LSP Attributes Related Routing Backus-Naur Form' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2011-10-10. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) established using the Resource Reservation Protocol Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) extensions may be signaled with a set of LSP specific attributes. These attributes may be carried in both Path and Resv messages. This document specifies how LSP attribute are to be carried in RSVP Path and Resv messages using the Routing Backus-Naur Form, and clarifies related Resv message formats. This document updates RFC 4875 and RFC 5420. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-attribute-bnf/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-attribute-bnf/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com Tue Sep 27 01:25:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430DC21F8DA0 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:25:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.663, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nuajvPOjprvU for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3216421F8D9D for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8R8SBZP018620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:28:33 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.34]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:28:24 +0200 From: "PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" To: Leeyoung , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:28:23 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Thread-Index: AQHMc+DNFGZirNpekU68H0VT9nct2ZVO2fZwgBIQYsA= Message-ID: References: <20110915194751.1118.92540.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171816B709@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171816B709@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:25:56 -0000 Hi Young, and CCAMPers, I was off the mailing lists for the last two weeks and being back I notice = a lot of exchanges, which I'm very glad of. I've also noticed many drafts have been updated. Concerning this specific draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06= , I wanted to comment section 3. Back in Quebec, I expressed my point of view (shared with Cyril, Julien and= Giovanni) that current drafts were lacking guidance regarding the way to d= esign LSAs that were to depict an WSON node with OEOs. This section 3 provides additional material to help designing the LSA. I would like to know whether authors are willing to pursue further in this = direction, which is to my mind a real corner stone, that would help everyon= e agree on a solution. A first point could concern the Resource Block Information (reminder: ::=3D ([] ): We all agree that these information are static, that we should not rep= licate this TLV whatever the number not the layout of OEO boards of a given= type. Then, we could dedicate a specific independant flooding entity. This would = be defined once for all, and that would not leave room to different interpr= etations. What about this first point? Regards, Pierre -----Message d'origine----- De : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de L= eeyoung Envoy=E9 : jeudi 15 septembre 2011 21:59 =C0 : ccamp@ietf.org Objet : Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-= ospf-06.txt Hi all, After 05 version publication, Acee provided a number of valuable comments a= nd suggestions. This revision (06) reflects those changes. Please note the = following updates: - Change the title of the draft to "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." from "OSPF E= nhancement..." to make sure the changes apply to the GMPLS OSPF rather than= the base OSPF.=20 - Add specific OSPF procedures on how sub-TLVs are packaged per [RFC3630] a= nd editorial change including avoiding "multiple instances of TE LSA" to "m= ultiple TE LSAs".=20 Your comments are always appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:48 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-osp= f-06.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Co= mpatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-15 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibil= ity-ospf-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibili= ty-ospf-06.txt _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From Ben.Wright@metaswitch.com Tue Sep 27 02:08:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B8721F8CE3 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:08:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Aw737PlPvqe for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enfiets1.dataconnection.com (enfiets1.dataconnection.com [192.91.191.38]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C8B21F8CE1 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ENFICSCAS1.datcon.co.uk (172.18.4.13) by enfiets1.dataconnection.com (172.18.4.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.192.1; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:11:03 +0100 Received: from ENFICSMBX1.datcon.co.uk ([fe80::d5d5:c683:a3be:3a19]) by ENFICSCAS1.datcon.co.uk ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:10:50 +0100 From: Ben Wright To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Question on NMC in draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709 Thread-Index: Acx89VlrIwvIizXFQ3623ojG/v0sWw== Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:10:49 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.18.71.11] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B3B6FD81D3159A45B5421AF9DD500F880B9CC2ENFICSMBX1datconc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [CCAMP] Question on NMC in draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:08:08 -0000 --_000_B3B6FD81D3159A45B5421AF9DD500F880B9CC2ENFICSMBX1datconc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I had a detailed query about the NMC usage in draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolv= ing-g709. This inherits the usage of the NMC from RFC4328, which would in= dicate the number of tributary slots requested for this signal type. I th= ink the following are both true. - This information is strictly speaking redundant because the labe= l now describes how the signal type will be multiplexed onto a given link. - With the introduction of the 1.25Gbps size, the tributary slot s= ize can vary in a network. Therefore, to preserve the usage of the NMC fr= om RFC4328 nodes which supported both TS sizes would need to translate the = SENDER_TSPEC object at each hop to encode the right NMC value given the TS = to be used on a given hop. This isn't typical behaviour for a SENDER_TSPE= C. Given the above, it seems to me easier to revert back to the original defin= ition, which deprecated this field from RFC4328. To preserve back-compati= bility with RFC4328, I understand you've already agreed that nodes supporti= ng draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709 should signal OTN LSPs with switch= ing capability 101 (OTN-TDM capable). This makes it safe to deprecate the = NMC field in this new usage. What do you think? Cheers, Ben --_000_B3B6FD81D3159A45B5421AF9DD500F880B9CC2ENFICSMBX1datconc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 =

I had a detailed query a= bout the NMC usage in draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709.   Th= is inherits the usage of the NMC from RFC4328, which would indicate the num= ber of tributary slots requested for this signal type.   I think the following are both true. 

-&nbs= p;         This information= is strictly speaking redundant because the label now describes how the sig= nal type will be multiplexed onto a given link.

-&nbs= p;         With the introdu= ction of the 1.25Gbps size, the tributary slot size can vary in a network.&= nbsp;  Therefore, to preserve the usage of the NMC from RFC4328 nodes = which supported both TS sizes would need to translate the SENDER_TSPEC object at each hop to encode the right NMC valu= e given the TS to be used on a given hop.   This isn’t typi= cal behaviour for a SENDER_TSPEC.   

 =

Given the above, it seem= s to me easier to revert back to the original definition, which deprecated = this field from RFC4328.   To preserve back-compatibility with RF= C4328, I understand you’ve already agreed that nodes supporting draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709 should signal OTN L= SPs with switching capability 101 (OTN-TDM capable).  This makes it sa= fe to deprecate the NMC field in this new usage.

 =

What do you think? =

 =

Cheers,

 =

Ben

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Hi Cyril,

Thanks for your commets.

Please see in-line below.


Fatai

Thanks



________________________________________
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) [cyril.margaria@nsn.c= om]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C226=C8=D5 16:03
=B5=BD: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constr= aints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,

I have the following comments/question regarding this revision

3.2. Available Labels:

The text state : =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV   may occur a= t most once within the link TLV.=A1=B1

How to encode different label format in that case? I think the label format= would depend
on the ISCD, and as we might have several ISCD, having several Available La= bel sub-TLV make sense.
This also apply to 3.3. Shared Backup Labels.

[Fatai] This "may" should be "MAY&qu= ot; according to Lou's suggestion, so it does not prevent you to have sever= al available label sub-TLVs.

In case of several ISCD are present for a given advertisement how to interp= ret the label format in the
label-related sub-TLVs?


[Fatai] It is easy to achive that. e.g, in SDH= network, a node can advertise several ISCDs with one or multiple labe= l sub-TLVs (I assume "IF" label information is needed to be adver= tised here), why it cannot interpret the labels are SDH labels?


Could you clarify this point, it would be useful for instance to consider t= he example of a link supporting SDH
(no VC4-switching), ODU (G.709, as of RFC4328, and for the current G.709 v3= label format).

 

[Fatai]  Do you mean to have an example on = hybrid node? I will not use a complex example to explain a&n= bsp;kind of simple thing (It will confuse people).


The text is very focused on WSON, while it is a very interesting example, h= aving other technology (OTN for
example would help to show that the solution is generic.

[Fatai] I think one typical example is sufficien= t for people to understand things. TDM network is different from WSON netwo= rk. In TDM network, usually it will not advertise label information ev= en though label information could be advertised.



Best Regards,
Cyril

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf=
> Of ext Zhangfatai
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:17 AM
> To: ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
> constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Hi CCAMPers,
>
> A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the WG > discussion.
>
> We accepted Acee and Young's suggestion to introduce a new top-level > node TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new
> section (Section 5) was added to describe scalability issue.
>
> More information from: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-<= br> > general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Please check out for details and comments are always welcome.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Fatai
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:06
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> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
> constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and
> Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF.
>
>       Title     = ;      : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network El= ement
> Constraints
>       Author(s)    &= nbsp;  : Fatai Zhang
>            = ;            &n= bsp;  Young Lee
>            = ;            &n= bsp;  Jianrui Han
>            = ;            &n= bsp;  Greg Bernstein
>            = ;            &n= bsp;  Yunbin Xu
>       Filename    &n= bsp;   : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-
> ospf-te-02.txt
>       Pages     = ;      : 14
>       Date     =        : 2011-09-22
>
>    Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be use= d to control a
>    wide variety of technologies including packet switch= ing (e.g.,
> MPLS),
>    time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (la= mbdas), and
>    spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to o= utgoing port or
>    fiber). In some of these technologies network elemen= ts and links may
>    impose additional routing constraints such as asymme= tric switch
>    connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label = range
> limitations
>    on links. This document describes OSPF routing proto= col extensions
> to
>    support these kinds of constraints under the control= of Generalized
>    MPLS (GMPLS).
>
>
>
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--Boundary_(ID_xLAo+ZicKoE95aLwlx1vnA)-- From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Tue Sep 27 02:36:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB1421F8DEC for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:36:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.904 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.904 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.601, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DIAgw7Jx8tAV for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9693A21F8D88 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8R9cpZE010548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:38:51 +0200 Received: from demuexc024.nsn-intra.net (demuexc024.nsn-intra.net [10.159.32.11]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8R9cmM2011150; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:38:50 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by demuexc024.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:38:50 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CC7CF9.42FD745B" Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:38:48 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?gb2312?B?ILTwuLQ6IFtDQ0FNUF0gSS1EIEFjdGlvbjogZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1jYw==?= =?gb2312?B?YW1wLWdtcGxzLWdlbmVyYWwtY29uc3RyYWludHMtb3NwZi10ZS0wMi50eHQ=?= Thread-Index: AQHMeQhw4fH7IgNgHEuaM0yhaE8MRpVfUxoggAGhYTmAAAbksA== References: <20110922090626.6373.58763.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> A From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Zhangfatai" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2011 09:38:50.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[4384A850:01CC7CF9] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIEktRCBBY3Rpb246IGRyYWZ0LWlldGYtY2Nh?= =?gb2312?b?bXAtZ21wbHMtZ2VuZXJhbC1jb25zdHJhaW50cy1vc3BmLXRlLTAy?= =?gb2312?b?LnR4dA==?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:36:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7CF9.42FD745B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 =20 Thanks for the answer,=20 =20 Please see inline =20 =20 From: ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:17 AM To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt =20 Hi Cyril, Thanks for your commets. Please see in-line below. Fatai Thanks ________________________________________ =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com] =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C226=C8=D5 16:03 =B5=BD: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt Hi, I have the following comments/question regarding this revision 3.2. Available Labels: The text state : =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV may occur at most = once within the link TLV.=A1=B1 How to encode different label format in that case? I think the label = format would depend on the ISCD, and as we might have several ISCD, having several Available = Label sub-TLV make sense. This also apply to 3.3. Shared Backup Labels. [Fatai] This "may" should be "MAY" according to Lou's suggestion, so it = does not prevent you to have several available label sub-TLVs.=20 [Cyril] Stating =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV MAY occur more = than once within the link TLV.=A1=B1 Would be more accurate and easier = to understand. =20 In case of several ISCD are present for a given advertisement how to = interpret the label format in the label-related sub-TLVs? [Fatai] It is easy to achive that. e.g, in SDH network, a node can = advertise several ISCDs with one or multiple label sub-TLVs (I assume = "IF" label information is needed to be advertised here), why it cannot = interpret the labels are SDH labels? [Cyril] If there is 2 ISCD sub-TLV and 2 available label sub-TLV, how = to tell which available label sub-TLV relate to which ISCD sub-TLV? =20 Could you clarify this point, it would be useful for instance to = consider the example of a link supporting SDH (no VC4-switching), ODU (G.709, as of RFC4328, and for the current G.709 = v3 label format). =20 [Fatai] Do you mean to have an example on hybrid node? I will not use a = complex example to explain a kind of simple thing (It will confuse = people).=20 [Cyril] It may not be so simple, I have trouble to interpret label = without knowing the ISCD considered and I do not see clearly the = relation between the two in the document. The text is very focused on WSON, while it is a very interesting = example, having other technology (OTN for example would help to show that the solution is generic. [Fatai] I think one typical example is sufficient for people to = understand things. TDM network is different from WSON network. In TDM = network, usually it will not advertise label information even though = label information could be advertised. [Cyril] They are indeed different, but from label point of view it = should not make a difference. A usual use case of connectivity matrix = would be for example on client cards with switching restriction : fixed = Multiplex and label assignment due to the fixed MUX (ODU2->ODU1 for = instance) on DWDM node : the restriction can be modeled as one connectivity matrix per client = port, the client port have then ISCD TDM,=20 the other ports can do DWDM and TDM,=20 for the connectivity matrix corresponding to a client port the = only ODU label to be assigned (due to fixed MUX) is specified=20 =20 First, is this modeling correct?=20 Second, how to make sure the label restriction are to be interpreted as = ODU labels? =20 I think it is also important to show that the extensions are also = working outside the framework they were born (WSON). =20 BR Best Regards, Cyril > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Zhangfatai > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:17 AM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Hi CCAMPers, > > A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the WG > discussion. > > We accepted Acee and Young's suggestion to introduce a new top-level > node TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new > section (Section 5) was added to describe scalability issue. > > More information from: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls- > general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Please check out for details and comments are always welcome. > > > Thanks > > Fatai > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:06 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element > Constraints > Author(s) : Fatai Zhang > Young Lee > Jianrui Han > Greg Bernstein > Yunbin Xu > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints- > ospf-te-02.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2011-09-22 > > Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a > wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., > MPLS), > time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and > spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or > fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links = may > impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch > connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range > limitations > on links. 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Hi,

 

Thanks for the answer,

 

Please see inline

 

 

From:= = ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = September 27, 2011 11:17 AM
To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - = DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org
Subject:
=B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] = I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

 

= Hi Cyril,

Thanks for your commets.

Please see in-line = below.


Fatai

Thanks



____________________= ____________________
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4= : 2011=C4=EA= 9=D4=C2= 26=C8=D5= 16:03
=B5=BD= : Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2= : RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,
<= br>I have the following comments/question regarding this = revision

3.2. Available Labels:

The text state : =A1=B0The = Available Labels sub-TLV   may occur at most once within the = link TLV.=A1=B1

How to encode different label format in that = case? I think the label format would depend
on the ISCD, and as we = might have several ISCD, having several Available Label sub-TLV make = sense.
This also apply to 3.3. Shared Backup = Labels.

[= Fatai] This "may" should be "MAY" according to Lou's = suggestion, so it does not prevent you to have several available label = sub-TLVs. =

[Cyril] Stating =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV   MAY =  occur more than once within the link TLV.=A1=B1  Would be = more accurate and easier to understand.

 

=
In case of several ISCD are present for a given advertisement how to = interpret the label format in the
label-related = sub-TLVs?

=
[= Fatai] It is easy to achive that. e.g, in SDH network, a node can = advertise several ISCDs with one or multiple label sub-TLVs (I = assume "IF" label information is needed to be advertised = here), why it cannot interpret the labels are SDH labels?=

[Cyril]  If there is 2 ISCD sub-TLV and 2 available label = sub-TLV, how to tell which available label sub-TLV relate to which ISCD = sub-TLV?

 

=
Could you clarify this point, it would be useful for instance to = consider the example of a link supporting SDH
(no VC4-switching), ODU = (G.709, as of RFC4328, and for the current G.709 v3 label = format).

=  

[= Fatai]  Do you mean to have an example on hybrid node? I will = not use a complex example to explain a kind of = simple thing (It will confuse people). =

[Cyril] It may not be so simple, I have trouble to interpret label = without knowing the ISCD considered and I do not see clearly the = relation between the two in the document.

=
The text is very focused on WSON, while it is a very interesting = example, having other technology (OTN for
example would help to show = that the solution is generic.

[= Fatai] I think one typical example is sufficient for people to = understand things. TDM network is different from WSON network. In = TDM network, usually it will not advertise label information even though = label information could be advertised.=

[Cyril] They are indeed different, but from label point of view it = should not make a difference. A usual use case of connectivity matrix = would be for example on client cards with switching restriction : fixed = Multiplex and label assignment due to the fixed MUX (ODU2->ODU1 for = instance)  on DWDM node :

the restriction can be modeled as one connectivity matrix per client = port,

        the client port have then = ISCD TDM,

        the other ports can do = DWDM and TDM,

        for the connectivity = matrix corresponding to a client port the only ODU label to be assigned = (due to fixed MUX) is specified

 

First, is this modeling correct?

Second, how to make sure the label restriction are to be interpreted = as ODU labels?

 

I think it is also important to show that the extensions are also = working outside the framework they were born = (WSON).

 

BR

=

Best Regards,
Cyril

> -----Original = Message-----
> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of ext = Zhangfatai
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:17 AM
> = To: ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
> = constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Hi CCAMPers,
>
> = A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the = WG
> discussion.
>
> We accepted Acee and Young's = suggestion to introduce a new top-level
> node TLV (Generic Node = Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new
> section (Section 5) = was added to describe scalability issue.
>
> More = information from: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-
> = general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Please check out for = details and comments are always welcome.
>
>
> = Thanks
>
> Fatai
>
>
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of = internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 2011
=C4=EA= 9=D4=C2= 22=C8=D5= 17:06
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Cc: = ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
> = constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> A New Internet-Draft is = available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories. This = draft is a work item of the Common Control and
> Measurement Plane = Working Group of the = IETF.
>
>       = Title           : = OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element
> = Constraints
>       = Author(s)       : Fatai = Zhang
>          =             &= nbsp;    Young = Lee
>          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    Jianrui = Han
>          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    Greg = Bernstein
>         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;     Yunbin = Xu
>       = Filename        : = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-
> = ospf-te-02.txt
>       = Pages           : = 14
>       = Date            : = 2011-09-22
>
>    Generalized Multiprotocol = Label Switching can be used to control a
>    wide = variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g.,
> = MPLS),
>    time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), = wavelength (lambdas), and
>    spatial switching = (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port = or
>    fiber). In some of these technologies = network elements and links may
>    impose = additional routing constraints such as asymmetric = switch
>    connectivity, non-local label = assignment, and label range
> = limitations
>    on links. This document describes = OSPF routing protocol extensions
> to
>    = support these kinds of constraints under the control of = Generalized
>    MPLS = (GMPLS).
>
>
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft = is:
> = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
&g= t; constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Internet-Drafts are also = available by anonymous FTP at:
> = ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
> This Internet-Draft = can be retrieved at:
> = ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
>= ; constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
> = _______________________________________________
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------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7CF9.42FD745B-- From lberger@labn.net Tue Sep 27 06:17:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BCB21F8CC1 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.864 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.864 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.703, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hS4FYmrknMl1 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D7E4421F8C57 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20109 invoked by uid 0); 27 Sep 2011 13:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2011 13:20:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=8muXCtNMlX7Apnzc7xSwAiQHc3rj8JpJJSs41cDT4/I=; b=LuNwUO3V69cAbO8zzW9b1B/lgd3y72ocWoXbW5XJn84nOZhsZ+uefdB+JHkSWHRZMY4eS+zkjIqCb+BslsR6eJroR2gwXDnG/IsaV4RQ03sh477NjauFqMp/Wvph1iyc; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8XaE-00044b-By for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:20:26 -0600 Message-ID: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:20:23 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:17:43 -0000 All / G.709 draft authors, We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate the [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: 1: G-PID draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED LABEL REQUEST Object. 2: A new field: draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity 3: Implicitly: draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. Some other alternatives include: 4: GMPLS Encoding Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) 5: Signal Type Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or 2.5G. Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be enumerated for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. As I understand it, TSG is needed at: (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper adaptation. (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper interface/H-LSP selection. (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for G.709) that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate TSG. Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks in GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a better place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the needs. Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal Type, to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG drafts. (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) Comments? Much thanks, Lou (as WG contributor) From jdrake@juniper.net Tue Sep 27 07:24:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5BE21F8CBD for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.158 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.158 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.441, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c6cJl5x8hAgb for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og104.obsmtp.com (exprod7og104.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B734D21F8D50 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob104.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKToHdQrR88Py9ePCG0V2BNBSkTRMQc/6j@postini.com; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:27:16 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:23:06 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger , CCAMP Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:23:05 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG Thread-Index: Acx9GEIXgPgXg83DQFmsEU66LpzYCwAB30IQ Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:24:31 -0000 Lou, In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we advertise tributa= ry slot granularity in a new field. In signaling (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-= evolving-g709-09), it is derived from the length of the TS bit map and the = size of the ODUk/OTUk on which the LSP is to be established. Thanks, John > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Lou Berger > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM > To: CCAMP > Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >=20 > All / G.709 draft authors, >=20 > We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate > the > [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: >=20 > 1: G-PID > draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: > One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED LABEL > REQUEST Object. >=20 > 2: A new field: > draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: > - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the > advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity >=20 > 3: Implicitly: > draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly > signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. >=20 > Some other alternatives include: >=20 > 4: GMPLS Encoding > Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch > cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: > 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] > TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) >=20 > In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as > support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by > [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) >=20 > 5: Signal Type > Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. > Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or 2.5G. > Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be enumerated > for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would imply > support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. >=20 > As I understand it, TSG is needed at: > (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper > adaptation. > (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper > interface/H-LSP selection. > (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >=20 > It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for G.709) > that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the > existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: >=20 > Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client > adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports > need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate TSG. >=20 > Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks in > GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a better > place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the needs. >=20 > Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. >=20 > Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal Type, > to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG drafts. > (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) >=20 > Comments? >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou (as WG contributor) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Tue Sep 27 07:29:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C48C21F8BAC for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:29:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.853 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.853 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.692, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id huIzu9Cz2PM2 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E350B21F8CDB for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30919 invoked by uid 0); 27 Sep 2011 14:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2011 14:31:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=+51ktNvf2hy37RL8a5kQtExgUrDL/bFr4wvXxVa9oro=; b=m8Dgl+IwWGynQJDgVvVgCC7iNvf2roBqdrAbsFMgQ6087pByw+KYDGaE6GQaL9M8anhgYF33EtYsHBeXo5jRupa0/+COnZKGVHA/IjA+Su64HGdmwqzAJ2hc1N7TMqtk; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8YhO-00044P-9B; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:31:54 -0600 Message-ID: <4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:31:51 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:29:19 -0000 John, I guess I should have titled my mail "Proposal on..." so that the proposal would actually get read... Lou On 9/27/2011 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we advertise > tributary slot granularity in a new field. In signaling > (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09), it is derived from the > length of the TS bit map and the size of the ODUk/OTUk on which the > LSP is to be established. > > Thanks, > > John > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Lou Berger >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM >> To: CCAMP >> Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >> >> All / G.709 draft authors, >> >> We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate >> the >> [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: >> >> 1: G-PID >> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: >> One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED LABEL >> REQUEST Object. >> >> 2: A new field: >> draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: >> - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the >> advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity >> >> 3: Implicitly: >> draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly >> signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. >> >> Some other alternatives include: >> >> 4: GMPLS Encoding >> Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch >> cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: >> 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] >> TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) >> >> In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as >> support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by >> [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) >> >> 5: Signal Type >> Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. >> Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or 2.5G. >> Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be enumerated >> for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would imply >> support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. >> >> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: >> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper >> adaptation. >> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper >> interface/H-LSP selection. >> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >> >> It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for G.709) >> that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the >> existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: >> >> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client >> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports >> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate TSG. >> >> Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks in >> GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a better >> place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the needs. >> >> Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. >> >> Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal Type, >> to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG drafts. >> (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) >> >> Comments? >> >> Much thanks, >> Lou (as WG contributor) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > From jdrake@juniper.net Tue Sep 27 07:38:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F0C21F8D6F for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.162 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.162 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.437, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pkvyESvmLVyI for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og110.obsmtp.com (exprod7og110.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.173]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0BA21F8CC9 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob110.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKToHghfjMixLSyceh+R3sL/ZYPFD/0Esw@postini.com; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:41:11 PDT Received: from P-EMHUB11-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.58) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.83.0; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:37:20 -0700 Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB11-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:37:20 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:37:18 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG Thread-Index: Acx9IjYEvfqGAdNpSlKaQX4SsHqO1QAAEVHA Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED28@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:38:26 -0000 Nevermind. What is wrong with the current signaling approach, which by the= way I think is great? > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:32 AM > To: John E Drake > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >=20 > John, > I guess I should have titled my mail "Proposal on..." so that the > proposal would actually get read... >=20 > Lou >=20 >=20 > On 9/27/2011 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: > > Lou, > > > > In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we advertise > > tributary slot granularity in a new field. In signaling > > (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09), it is derived from the > > length of the TS bit map and the size of the ODUk/OTUk on which the > > LSP is to be established. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf > >> Of Lou Berger > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM > >> To: CCAMP > >> Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG > >> > >> All / G.709 draft authors, > >> > >> We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate > >> the > >> [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: > >> > >> 1: G-PID > >> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: > >> One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED > LABEL > >> REQUEST Object. > >> > >> 2: A new field: > >> draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: > >> - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the > >> advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity > >> > >> 3: Implicitly: > >> draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly > >> signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. > >> > >> Some other alternatives include: > >> > >> 4: GMPLS Encoding > >> Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch > >> cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: > >> 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] > >> TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) > >> > >> In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as > >> support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by > >> [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) > >> > >> 5: Signal Type > >> Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. > >> Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or 2.5G. > >> Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be > enumerated > >> for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would > imply > >> support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. > >> > >> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: > >> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper > >> adaptation. > >> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper > >> interface/H-LSP selection. > >> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. > >> > >> It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for > G.709) > >> that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the > >> existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: > >> > >> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client > >> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports > >> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate > TSG. > >> > >> Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks in > >> GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a better > >> place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the > needs. > >> > >> Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. > >> > >> Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal > Type, > >> to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG > drafts. > >> (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) > >> > >> Comments? > >> > >> Much thanks, > >> Lou (as WG contributor) > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CCAMP mailing list > >> CCAMP@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > > > > From lberger@labn.net Tue Sep 27 07:55:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C2621F8DE4 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.843 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.843 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.682, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y4de1PnfqZYa for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CF87721F8D67 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14408 invoked by uid 0); 27 Sep 2011 14:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2011 14:58:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=MtVPJpHvqRI6Jj4JXwCRyrD5Ul0PHPaHDHToDHSh3gU=; b=KbHLsTLFr6kUlnl5DnhNQwL23S7OuidV6rk/LAU4lecwN+IwaP3u6OeVr/Ye8WPqxHP/AyOQeHbL6TXgzK0wqkXCCfPAApXZttpRTJRXfhBDZuVhy3bpapRYEAovZD3S; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8Z6z-0002Oe-Mk; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:58:21 -0600 Message-ID: <4E81E48B.8090102@labn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:58:19 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED28@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED28@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:55:41 -0000 John, There isn't alignment in the WG info-model and the individual routing and signaling drafts. I think we have enough ways of explicitly carrying signal information that we can leverage to come up with a clean an unified approach that satisfies all the needs for TSG information, i.e.: > Given all this [see below], I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, > Signal Type, to indicate TSG Do you see an issue with using Signal Type to indicate the *service* TSG? I don't think there would be any change to your proposed (hop-by-hop) label encoding. Lou On 9/27/2011 10:37 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Nevermind. What is wrong with the current signaling approach, which by the way I think is great? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:32 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: CCAMP >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >> >> John, >> I guess I should have titled my mail "Proposal on..." so that the >> proposal would actually get read... >> >> Lou >> >> >> On 9/27/2011 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we advertise >>> tributary slot granularity in a new field. In signaling >>> (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09), it is derived from the >>> length of the TS bit map and the size of the ODUk/OTUk on which the >>> LSP is to be established. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf >>>> Of Lou Berger >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM >>>> To: CCAMP >>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>> >>>> All / G.709 draft authors, >>>> >>>> We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate >>>> the >>>> [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: >>>> >>>> 1: G-PID >>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: >>>> One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED >> LABEL >>>> REQUEST Object. >>>> >>>> 2: A new field: >>>> draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: >>>> - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the >>>> advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity >>>> >>>> 3: Implicitly: >>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly >>>> signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. >>>> >>>> Some other alternatives include: >>>> >>>> 4: GMPLS Encoding >>>> Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch >>>> cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: >>>> 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] >>>> TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) >>>> >>>> In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as >>>> support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by >>>> [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) >>>> >>>> 5: Signal Type >>>> Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. >>>> Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or 2.5G. >>>> Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be >> enumerated >>>> for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would >> imply >>>> support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. >>>> >>>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: >>>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper >>>> adaptation. >>>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper >>>> interface/H-LSP selection. >>>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >>>> >>>> It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for >> G.709) >>>> that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the >>>> existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: >>>> >>>> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client >>>> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports >>>> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate >> TSG. >>>> >>>> Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks in >>>> GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a better >>>> place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the >> needs. >>>> >>>> Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. >>>> >>>> Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal >> Type, >>>> to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG >> drafts. >>>> (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) >>>> >>>> Comments? >>>> >>>> Much thanks, >>>> Lou (as WG contributor) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From jdrake@juniper.net Tue Sep 27 08:15:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935E121F8E19 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.433, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OTb7+hLvZXvr for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og114.obsmtp.com (exprod7og114.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.215]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1065721F8E18 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob114.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKToHpO26KQpoAFcWsZUQc7fCCjdCX5eea@postini.com; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:18:22 PDT Received: from P-EMHUB11-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.58) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.83.0; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:13:23 -0700 Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB11-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:13:22 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:13:20 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG Thread-Index: Acx9JekMUlrRKCh/TJ+U0+YrhxMqFgAAccOA Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED83@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED28@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81E48B.8090102@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E81E48B.8090102@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:15:37 -0000 Lou, Clearly, the info-model draft needs to be updated, but I am quite happy wit= h the what is currently in the signaling and routing drafts and I haven't h= eard a compelling reason to change. Thanks, John > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:58 AM > To: John E Drake > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >=20 > John, > There isn't alignment in the WG info-model and the individual > routing > and signaling drafts. I think we have enough ways of explicitly > carrying signal information that we can leverage to come up with a > clean > an unified approach that satisfies all the needs for TSG information, > i.e.: >=20 > > Given all this [see below], I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, > > Signal Type, to indicate TSG >=20 > Do you see an issue with using Signal Type to indicate the *service* > TSG? I don't think there would be any change to your proposed > (hop-by-hop) label encoding. >=20 > Lou >=20 >=20 > On 9/27/2011 10:37 AM, John E Drake wrote: > > Nevermind. What is wrong with the current signaling approach, which > by the way I think is great? > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:32 AM > >> To: John E Drake > >> Cc: CCAMP > >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG > >> > >> John, > >> I guess I should have titled my mail "Proposal on..." so that the > >> proposal would actually get read... > >> > >> Lou > >> > >> > >> On 9/27/2011 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: > >>> Lou, > >>> > >>> In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we advertise > >>> tributary slot granularity in a new field. In signaling > >>> (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09), it is derived from the > >>> length of the TS bit map and the size of the ODUk/OTUk on which the > >>> LSP is to be established. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On > >> Behalf > >>>> Of Lou Berger > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM > >>>> To: CCAMP > >>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG > >>>> > >>>> All / G.709 draft authors, > >>>> > >>>> We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate > >>>> the > >>>> [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: > >>>> > >>>> 1: G-PID > >>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: > >>>> One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED > >> LABEL > >>>> REQUEST Object. > >>>> > >>>> 2: A new field: > >>>> draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: > >>>> - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the > >>>> advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity > >>>> > >>>> 3: Implicitly: > >>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly > >>>> signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. > >>>> > >>>> Some other alternatives include: > >>>> > >>>> 4: GMPLS Encoding > >>>> Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch > >>>> cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: > >>>> 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] > >>>> TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) > >>>> > >>>> In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as > >>>> support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by > >>>> [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) > >>>> > >>>> 5: Signal Type > >>>> Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. > >>>> Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or > 2.5G. > >>>> Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be > >> enumerated > >>>> for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would > >> imply > >>>> support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. > >>>> > >>>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: > >>>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper > >>>> adaptation. > >>>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper > >>>> interface/H-LSP selection. > >>>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. > >>>> > >>>> It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for > >> G.709) > >>>> that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the > >>>> existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: > >>>> > >>>> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client > >>>> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only > supports > >>>> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate > >> TSG. > >>>> > >>>> Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks > in > >>>> GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a > better > >>>> place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the > >> needs. > >>>> > >>>> Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. > >>>> > >>>> Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal > >> Type, > >>>> to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG > >> drafts. > >>>> (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) > >>>> > >>>> Comments? > >>>> > >>>> Much thanks, > >>>> Lou (as WG contributor) > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> CCAMP mailing list > >>>> CCAMP@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > From lberger@labn.net Tue Sep 27 08:26:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3328921F8D7C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:26:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.833 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.833 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.672, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zDdRxwEsrmBO for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7085121F8D92 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19809 invoked by uid 0); 27 Sep 2011 15:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2011 15:28:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=5USCOZlavG7oi+zaqWUk//2xcPEbyi1urmnDfcW7NeE=; b=xVHLHoCCDyP0R4XnBCMZxJeQSO+GfdnPm3JeGPRWRG+qTtq9TSdPIVczkytPF7xw8K55M401co7XLPlJPLwUIy8TkH82SomghQwid938oikgtFthUvFuUMujqb78EhJ6; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8ZaR-0002ET-Pe; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:28:47 -0600 Message-ID: <4E81EBAD.1050204@labn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:28:45 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED28@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81E48B.8090102@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED83@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED83@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:26:03 -0000 John, Two points: As a general rule, it doesn't make sense to invent yet another way to carry information when an existing one will do. This is actually a pretty fundamental tenant of GMPLS. Also, in GMPLS the general model for allocation is to carry resource requirements in the TS not the label. Such use of the TS ensures that the information is unambiguous in all cases. (For example, consider the corner case where you have a unidirectional LSP, where is TSG requirements of the sender/upstream node indicated in the Path message.) Lou On 9/27/2011 11:13 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > Clearly, the info-model draft needs to be updated, but I am quite > happy with the what is currently in the signaling and routing drafts > and I haven't heard a compelling reason to change. > > Thanks, > > John > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:58 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: CCAMP >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >> >> John, >> There isn't alignment in the WG info-model and the individual >> routing >> and signaling drafts. I think we have enough ways of explicitly >> carrying signal information that we can leverage to come up with a >> clean >> an unified approach that satisfies all the needs for TSG information, >> i.e.: >> >>> Given all this [see below], I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, >>> Signal Type, to indicate TSG >> >> Do you see an issue with using Signal Type to indicate the *service* >> TSG? I don't think there would be any change to your proposed >> (hop-by-hop) label encoding. >> >> Lou >> >> >> On 9/27/2011 10:37 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Nevermind. What is wrong with the current signaling approach, which >> by the way I think is great? >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:32 AM >>>> To: John E Drake >>>> Cc: CCAMP >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>> >>>> John, >>>> I guess I should have titled my mail "Proposal on..." so that the >>>> proposal would actually get read... >>>> >>>> Lou >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/27/2011 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>> Lou, >>>>> >>>>> In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we advertise >>>>> tributary slot granularity in a new field. In signaling >>>>> (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09), it is derived from the >>>>> length of the TS bit map and the size of the ODUk/OTUk on which the >>>>> LSP is to be established. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Lou Berger >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM >>>>>> To: CCAMP >>>>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>>>> >>>>>> All / G.709 draft authors, >>>>>> >>>>>> We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate >>>>>> the >>>>>> [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1: G-PID >>>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: >>>>>> One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED >>>> LABEL >>>>>> REQUEST Object. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2: A new field: >>>>>> draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: >>>>>> - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the >>>>>> advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity >>>>>> >>>>>> 3: Implicitly: >>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly >>>>>> signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some other alternatives include: >>>>>> >>>>>> 4: GMPLS Encoding >>>>>> Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch >>>>>> cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: >>>>>> 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] >>>>>> TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) >>>>>> >>>>>> In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as >>>>>> support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by >>>>>> [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) >>>>>> >>>>>> 5: Signal Type >>>>>> Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. >>>>>> Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or >> 2.5G. >>>>>> Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be >>>> enumerated >>>>>> for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would >>>> imply >>>>>> support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: >>>>>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper >>>>>> adaptation. >>>>>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper >>>>>> interface/H-LSP selection. >>>>>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for >>>> G.709) >>>>>> that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the >>>>>> existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: >>>>>> >>>>>> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client >>>>>> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only >> supports >>>>>> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate >>>> TSG. >>>>>> >>>>>> Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks >> in >>>>>> GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a >> better >>>>>> place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the >>>> needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal >>>> Type, >>>>>> to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG >>>> drafts. >>>>>> (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Comments? >>>>>> >>>>>> Much thanks, >>>>>> Lou (as WG contributor) >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From jdrake@juniper.net Tue Sep 27 09:41:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71E721F8E1C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:41:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.169 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.169 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.430, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8tyMU6ZsG5MM for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og115.obsmtp.com (exprod7og115.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.217]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAF721F8DB5 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob115.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKToH9Zf9h5rfVtXnB6A5XXh3JwDXV1Z8L@postini.com; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:44:23 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:40:35 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:40:33 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG Thread-Index: Acx9Kig/BGXjMHrHRIq2npNfMCscKQACaaVA Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05EF17@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED28@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81E48B.8090102@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED83@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81EBAD.1050204@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E81EBAD.1050204@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:41:38 -0000 Lou, Using Signal Type in signaling in addition to the bit map label is probably= okay. I don't think it makes any sense in routing and would prefer to con= tinue to just have the two bits. Thanks, John > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:29 AM > To: John E Drake > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >=20 > John, > Two points: >=20 > As a general rule, it doesn't make sense to invent yet another way to > carry information when an existing one will do. This is actually a > pretty fundamental tenant of GMPLS. >=20 > Also, in GMPLS the general model for allocation is to carry resource > requirements in the TS not the label. Such use of the TS ensures that > the information is unambiguous in all cases. (For example, consider > the > corner case where you have a unidirectional LSP, where is TSG > requirements of the sender/upstream node indicated in the Path > message.) >=20 > Lou >=20 > On 9/27/2011 11:13 AM, John E Drake wrote: > > Lou, > > > > Clearly, the info-model draft needs to be updated, but I am quite > > happy with the what is currently in the signaling and routing drafts > > and I haven't heard a compelling reason to change. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:58 AM > >> To: John E Drake > >> Cc: CCAMP > >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG > >> > >> John, > >> There isn't alignment in the WG info-model and the individual > >> routing > >> and signaling drafts. I think we have enough ways of explicitly > >> carrying signal information that we can leverage to come up with a > >> clean > >> an unified approach that satisfies all the needs for TSG > information, > >> i.e.: > >> > >>> Given all this [see below], I'd like to propose that we use Option > 5, > >>> Signal Type, to indicate TSG > >> > >> Do you see an issue with using Signal Type to indicate the *service* > >> TSG? I don't think there would be any change to your proposed > >> (hop-by-hop) label encoding. > >> > >> Lou > >> > >> > >> On 9/27/2011 10:37 AM, John E Drake wrote: > >>> Nevermind. What is wrong with the current signaling approach, > which > >> by the way I think is great? > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:32 AM > >>>> To: John E Drake > >>>> Cc: CCAMP > >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG > >>>> > >>>> John, > >>>> I guess I should have titled my mail "Proposal on..." so that the > >>>> proposal would actually get read... > >>>> > >>>> Lou > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 9/27/2011 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: > >>>>> Lou, > >>>>> > >>>>> In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we > advertise > >>>>> tributary slot granularity in a new field. In signaling > >>>>> (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09), it is derived from > the > >>>>> length of the TS bit map and the size of the ODUk/OTUk on which > the > >>>>> LSP is to be established. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> John > >>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On > >>>> Behalf > >>>>>> Of Lou Berger > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM > >>>>>> To: CCAMP > >>>>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG > >>>>>> > >>>>>> All / G.709 draft authors, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to > indicate > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1: G-PID > >>>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: > >>>>>> One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED > >>>> LABEL > >>>>>> REQUEST Object. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2: A new field: > >>>>>> draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: > >>>>>> - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the > >>>>>> advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 3: Implicitly: > >>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly > >>>>>> signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Some other alternatives include: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 4: GMPLS Encoding > >>>>>> Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the > Switch > >>>>>> cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: > >>>>>> 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] > >>>>>> TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as > >>>>>> support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by > >>>>>> [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 5: Signal Type > >>>>>> Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic > parameters. > >>>>>> Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or > >> 2.5G. > >>>>>> Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be > >>>> enumerated > >>>>>> for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would > >>>> imply > >>>>>> support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: > >>>>>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure > proper > >>>>>> adaptation. > >>>>>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper > >>>>>> interface/H-LSP selection. > >>>>>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for > >>>> G.709) > >>>>>> that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of > the > >>>>>> existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point > client > >>>>>> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only > >> supports > >>>>>> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to > indicate > >>>> TSG. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type > checks > >> in > >>>>>> GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a > >> better > >>>>>> place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the > >>>> needs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal > >>>> Type, > >>>>>> to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG > >>>> drafts. > >>>>>> (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Comments? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Much thanks, > >>>>>> Lou (as WG contributor) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> CCAMP mailing list > >>>>>> CCAMP@ietf.org > >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > From adrian@olddog.co.uk Tue Sep 27 11:32:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B2221F8C00 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:32:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.475 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.475 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cyc2tEsOO9Aj for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D32A21F8B49 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p8RIZaVX000880; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:35:36 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p8RIZYY9000874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:35:35 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:35:32 +0100 Message-ID: <0a3401cc7d44$3df50e20$b9df2a60$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Acx9Q+JZpkovM+DrQLSntV3Q9tAGEQ== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:32:56 -0000 Hi, My AD review of this draft has only yielded a few editorial comments and it is not worth your effort to spin a new revision at this point. Can I ask you to hold these comments and pick them up after IETF Last Call with any issues that are raised during the last call. Thanks, Adrian === Please expand "PCE" in the Abstract --- Please expand 3R in Section 1 --- Section 1 In order to provision an optical connection (an optical path) through a WSON, a combination of path continuity, resource availability and impairments constraints s/impairments/impairment/ --- Section 2 s/Multiplexers/Multiplexer/ --- Section 4 Formatting got a bit munged. --- Please decide "bit error rate" or "bit error ratio" and update the document accordingly --- Section 4.3 Can I suggest that you renumber the two options in Figure 3 as (d) and (e) to avoid confusion with the options in Figure 2. Then you can also make things a bit clearer by numbering the bullets. From leeyoung@huawei.com Tue Sep 27 11:36:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DE121F8F37 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:36:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aiywe6+5vPn6 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga04-in.huawei.com (usaga04-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8794221F8F1D for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga04-in [172.18.4.101]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LS700L2B2H40X@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:39:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.18.4.104]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LS700FLG2H3N8@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:39:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.203) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:38:59 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by dfweml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.203]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:38:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:38:53 +0000 From: Leeyoung In-reply-to: <0a3401cc7d44$3df50e20$b9df2a60$@olddog.co.uk> X-Originating-IP: [10.47.152.70] To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments@tools.ietf.org" Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817CD18@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Thread-topic: [CCAMP] AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments Thread-index: Acx9Q+JZpkovM+DrQLSntV3Q9tAGEQAAK42g X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <0a3401cc7d44$3df50e20$b9df2a60$@olddog.co.uk> Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:36:20 -0000 Hi Adrian, Thanks for your quick review. Yes, we will hold your comments until IETF LC. Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:36 PM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments Hi, My AD review of this draft has only yielded a few editorial comments and it is not worth your effort to spin a new revision at this point. Can I ask you to hold these comments and pick them up after IETF Last Call with any issues that are raised during the last call. Thanks, Adrian === Please expand "PCE" in the Abstract --- Please expand 3R in Section 1 --- Section 1 In order to provision an optical connection (an optical path) through a WSON, a combination of path continuity, resource availability and impairments constraints s/impairments/impairment/ --- Section 2 s/Multiplexers/Multiplexer/ --- Section 4 Formatting got a bit munged. --- Please decide "bit error rate" or "bit error ratio" and update the document accordingly --- Section 4.3 Can I suggest that you renumber the two options in Figure 3 as (d) and (e) to avoid confusion with the options in Figure 2. Then you can also make things a bit clearer by numbering the bullets. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Tue Sep 27 12:44:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6203621F8F2B; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:44:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.505 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.094, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 872NCnE0dK2N; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4BD21F8ED3; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20110927194429.8284.17876.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:44:29 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Last Call: (A Framework for the Control of Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSON) with Impairments) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:44:36 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG (ccamp) to consider the following document: - 'A Framework for the Control of Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSON) with Impairments' as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2011-10-11. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract As an optical signal progresses along its path it may be altered by the various physical processes in the optical fibers and devices it encounters. When such alterations result in signal degradation, these processes are usually referred to as "impairments". These physical characteristics may be important constraints to consider when using a GMPLS control plane to support path setup and maintenance in wavelength switched optical networks. This document provides a framework for applying GMPLS protocols and the PCE architecture to support Impairment Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment (IA-RWA) in wavelength switched optical networks. This document does not define optical data plane aspects; impairment parameters, measurement of, or assessment and qualification of a route, but rather it describes the architectural and information components for protocol solutions. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From lberger@labn.net Tue Sep 27 14:10:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1550021F8F6B for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:09:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.814 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.814 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.653, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LyiMR2y2uSbR for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D592F21F8F64 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22031 invoked by uid 0); 27 Sep 2011 21:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2011 21:12:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Ec6trZku9VA4HiSRvkPbiybDiFg7+CJKBR9cRxJNK5s=; b=hmWWyh225/8eYmkILi5bhvj5O3AWCntzxMuZIcz23DS5Ube5fb7l7lmIGEAlY4pSybDtTGxj5f1+LRVkcym04cY6KE5iQo4hl0ADDpzY78I7O2XlsLTRjV/m/YSb77Kg; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8exD-0000Bg-R7; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:12:40 -0600 Message-ID: <4E823C45.6040501@labn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:12:37 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED28@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81E48B.8090102@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED83@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E81EBAD.1050204@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05EF17@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05EF17@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:10:02 -0000 On 9/27/2011 12:40 PM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > Using Signal Type in signaling in addition to the bit map label is > probably okay. > I don't think it makes any sense in routing and would > prefer to continue to just have the two bits. > On what basis? Lou > Thanks, > > John > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:29 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: CCAMP >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >> >> John, >> Two points: >> >> As a general rule, it doesn't make sense to invent yet another way to >> carry information when an existing one will do. This is actually a >> pretty fundamental tenant of GMPLS. >> >> Also, in GMPLS the general model for allocation is to carry resource >> requirements in the TS not the label. Such use of the TS ensures that >> the information is unambiguous in all cases. (For example, consider >> the >> corner case where you have a unidirectional LSP, where is TSG >> requirements of the sender/upstream node indicated in the Path >> message.) >> >> Lou >> >> On 9/27/2011 11:13 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> Clearly, the info-model draft needs to be updated, but I am quite >>> happy with the what is currently in the signaling and routing drafts >>> and I haven't heard a compelling reason to change. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:58 AM >>>> To: John E Drake >>>> Cc: CCAMP >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>> >>>> John, >>>> There isn't alignment in the WG info-model and the individual >>>> routing >>>> and signaling drafts. I think we have enough ways of explicitly >>>> carrying signal information that we can leverage to come up with a >>>> clean >>>> an unified approach that satisfies all the needs for TSG >> information, >>>> i.e.: >>>> >>>>> Given all this [see below], I'd like to propose that we use Option >> 5, >>>>> Signal Type, to indicate TSG >>>> >>>> Do you see an issue with using Signal Type to indicate the *service* >>>> TSG? I don't think there would be any change to your proposed >>>> (hop-by-hop) label encoding. >>>> >>>> Lou >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/27/2011 10:37 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>> Nevermind. What is wrong with the current signaling approach, >> which >>>> by the way I think is great? >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:32 AM >>>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>>> Cc: CCAMP >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> I guess I should have titled my mail "Proposal on..." so that the >>>>>> proposal would actually get read... >>>>>> >>>>>> Lou >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/27/2011 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>>> Lou, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we >> advertise >>>>>>> tributary slot granularity in a new field. In signaling >>>>>>> (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09), it is derived from >> the >>>>>>> length of the TS bit map and the size of the ODUk/OTUk on which >> the >>>>>>> LSP is to be established. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Lou Berger >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM >>>>>>>> To: CCAMP >>>>>>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All / G.709 draft authors, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to >> indicate >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1: G-PID >>>>>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: >>>>>>>> One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED >>>>>> LABEL >>>>>>>> REQUEST Object. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2: A new field: >>>>>>>> draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: >>>>>>>> - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the >>>>>>>> advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3: Implicitly: >>>>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly >>>>>>>> signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some other alternatives include: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4: GMPLS Encoding >>>>>>>> Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the >> Switch >>>>>>>> cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: >>>>>>>> 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] >>>>>>>> TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as >>>>>>>> support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by >>>>>>>> [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5: Signal Type >>>>>>>> Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic >> parameters. >>>>>>>> Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or >>>> 2.5G. >>>>>>>> Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be >>>>>> enumerated >>>>>>>> for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would >>>>>> imply >>>>>>>> support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: >>>>>>>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure >> proper >>>>>>>> adaptation. >>>>>>>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper >>>>>>>> interface/H-LSP selection. >>>>>>>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for >>>>>> G.709) >>>>>>>> that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of >> the >>>>>>>> existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point >> client >>>>>>>> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only >>>> supports >>>>>>>> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to >> indicate >>>>>> TSG. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type >> checks >>>> in >>>>>>>> GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a >>>> better >>>>>>>> place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the >>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal >>>>>> Type, >>>>>>>> to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG >>>>>> drafts. >>>>>>>> (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Comments? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Much thanks, >>>>>>>> Lou (as WG contributor) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>>>>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From lberger@labn.net Tue Sep 27 14:11:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E4421F8FA2 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.505 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.944, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uZqOxeNb+Cmh for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1223821F8E0C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10861 invoked by uid 0); 27 Sep 2011 21:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2011 21:13:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=H4g/yDcCgpujSEbm+/bI7FV5EXQTm2IVwzPRO0HVV60=; b=TmzZloO+mSpLPU9v0JXnnGwuRFhmwNFi6KZMl1EFfIKWO4fZlJX4HBibkNnAb+JSdKZewNlqFBAee0z6MyURXh/Urc11ciVkhl+uaA2/T77Ls1+VMrD1qIVcvFHFnN0o; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8eyM-0000QK-QC for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:13:50 -0600 Message-ID: <4E823C8C.5070405@labn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:13:48 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] In case anyone missed it: IAB Appoints John Drake as IETF, Liaison to ITU-T SG-15 (Optical Control Plane) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:11:11 -0000 The IAB has announced the following appointment: http://www.iab.org/2011/08/10/iab-appoints-john-drake-as-ietf-liaison-to-itu-t-sg-15-optical-control-plane/ IAB Appoints John Drake as IETF Liaison to ITU-T SG-15 (Optical Control Plane) Posted on August 10, 2011 by baboba The IAB has appointed John Drake as IETF liaison to ITU-T SG-15 (optical control plane), replacing Adrian Farrel. Mr. Drake has been active in the IETF since 1995, primarily in the Routing Area. His areas of expertise include MPLS and GMPLS and he is currently a member of the Routing Area and Smart Grid Directorates. He has worked with SG15 on the development of GMPLS extensions in support of the ITU’s ASON architecture, MPLS-TP, and GMPLS support for OTN. The IAB extends its thanks to the outgoing liaison manager, Adrian Farrel. We recognize Adrian's fine service in this area and look forward to John continuing in this role. Lou and Deborah From leeyoung@huawei.com Tue Sep 27 15:03:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CB021F8F4D for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:03:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MbpU+S92x9o9 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga04-in.huawei.com (usaga04-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C80821F8F48 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga04-in [172.18.4.101]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LS700LVIC2N5T@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:06:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.18.4.104]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LS700HCXC2MRE@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:06:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.101) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:06:19 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by DFWEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::f07f:889f:78ef:8df3%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:06:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:06:00 +0000 From: Leeyoung In-reply-to: X-Originating-IP: [10.47.152.70] To: "PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" , "ccamp@ietf.org" Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817CE25@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Accept-Language: en-US Thread-topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Thread-index: AQHMfO94tnV8wbm4z0mVmmskErrIZJVhuEzA X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <20110915194751.1118.92540.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171816B709@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:03:38 -0000 Hi Pierre,=20 Please see-inline for my reply to your first point.=20 Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE) [mailto:pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:28 AM To: Leeyoung; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility= -ospf-06.txt Hi Young, and CCAMPers, I was off the mailing lists for the last two weeks and being back I notice = a lot of exchanges, which I'm very glad of. I've also noticed many drafts have been updated. Concerning this specific draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06= , I wanted to comment section 3. Back in Quebec, I expressed my point of view (shared with Cyril, Julien and= Giovanni) that current drafts were lacking guidance regarding the way to d= esign LSAs that were to depict an WSON node with OEOs. This section 3 provides additional material to help designing the LSA. I would like to know whether authors are willing to pursue further in this = direction, which is to my mind a real corner stone, that would help everyon= e agree on a solution. A first point could concern the Resource Block Information (reminder: ::=3D ([] ): We all agree that these information are static, that we should not rep= licate this TLV whatever the number not the layout of OEO boards of a given= type. Then, we could dedicate a specific independant flooding entity. This would = be defined once for all, and that would not leave room to different interpr= etations. What about this first point? YOUNG>> If I understand you correctly, what you are saying is since the Res= ource Block Info sub-TLV is very static in nature, advertisement of this su= b-TLV should be treated differently from the rest of static-TLVs (which may= change over time). Is this what you are saying? If my interpretation of your comment is correct,=20 - The current mechanism allows what you want: Please see the first paragrap= h in Section 3.2 "In the highly unlikely event that a WSON sub-TLV by itself would result in an LSA exceeding the MTU, all five WSON specific sub-TLVs in this document provide mechanisms that allow them to be subdivided into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs." According to this clause, you can separate the Resource Block Info Sub-TLV = as the sole entry defined in the Optical Node property TLV in a separate TE= LSA from the rest if you will. Nothing prevents this particular way of pac= kaging. (Isn't this what you meant "a specific independent flooding entity"= ?)=20 - Please let me know if this explanation satisfies you. Thanks --- Young Regards, Pierre -----Message d'origine----- De : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de L= eeyoung Envoy=E9 : jeudi 15 septembre 2011 21:59 =C0 : ccamp@ietf.org Objet : Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-= ospf-06.txt Hi all, After 05 version publication, Acee provided a number of valuable comments a= nd suggestions. This revision (06) reflects those changes. Please note the = following updates: - Change the title of the draft to "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." from "OSPF E= nhancement..." to make sure the changes apply to the GMPLS OSPF rather than= the base OSPF.=20 - Add specific OSPF procedures on how sub-TLVs are packaged per [RFC3630] a= nd editorial change including avoiding "multiple instances of TE LSA" to "m= ultiple TE LSAs".=20 Your comments are always appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:48 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-osp= f-06.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Co= mpatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-15 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibil= ity-ospf-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibili= ty-ospf-06.txt _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From prvs=22519de429=lyong@ciena.com Tue Sep 27 16:33:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EE121F8FFD for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:33:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.432 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KhLWYOytVb0u for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00103a01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00103a01.pphosted.com [67.231.144.234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BD721F8B29 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0000419 [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-00103a01.pphosted.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id p8RNZdVm028140; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:36:35 -0400 Received: from mdwexght02.ciena.com (LIN1-118-36-29.ciena.com [63.118.36.29]) by mx0a-00103a01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 103mwu8r11-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:36:35 -0400 Received: from MDWEXGMB02.ciena.com ([::1]) by MDWEXGHT02.ciena.com ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:36:34 -0400 From: "Ong, Lyndon" To: Lou Berger , John E Drake Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:36:32 -0400 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG Thread-Index: Acx9WjpQPVAnZYIRSJ6aliqyvE6dewAE7Lhg Message-ID: References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net><5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net><4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net><5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED28@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net><4E81E48B.8090102@labn.net><5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED83@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net><4E81EBAD.1050204@labn.net><5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05EF17@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E823C45.6040501@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E823C45.6040501@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.0.0.1412-6.800.1017-18412.002 x-tm-as-result: No--64.152500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2011-09-27_11:2011-09-28, 2011-09-27, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1109270284 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0000 Hi Lou, Not quite sure what you are proposing - would this mean the signal type cha= nges hop by hop if you are creating a connection that goes over links suppo= rting different TS granularity? Thanks, Lyndon -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of L= ou Berger Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:13 PM To: John E Drake Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG On 9/27/2011 12:40 PM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > Using Signal Type in signaling in addition to the bit map label is > probably okay. > I don't think it makes any sense in routing and would > prefer to continue to just have the two bits. > On what basis? Lou > Thanks, > > John > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:29 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: CCAMP >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >> >> John, >> Two points: >> >> As a general rule, it doesn't make sense to invent yet another way to >> carry information when an existing one will do. This is actually a >> pretty fundamental tenant of GMPLS. >> >> Also, in GMPLS the general model for allocation is to carry resource >> requirements in the TS not the label. Such use of the TS ensures that >> the information is unambiguous in all cases. (For example, consider >> the >> corner case where you have a unidirectional LSP, where is TSG >> requirements of the sender/upstream node indicated in the Path >> message.) >> >> Lou >> >> On 9/27/2011 11:13 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> Clearly, the info-model draft needs to be updated, but I am quite >>> happy with the what is currently in the signaling and routing drafts >>> and I haven't heard a compelling reason to change. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:58 AM >>>> To: John E Drake >>>> Cc: CCAMP >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>> >>>> John, >>>> There isn't alignment in the WG info-model and the individual >>>> routing >>>> and signaling drafts. I think we have enough ways of explicitly >>>> carrying signal information that we can leverage to come up with a >>>> clean >>>> an unified approach that satisfies all the needs for TSG >> information, >>>> i.e.: >>>> >>>>> Given all this [see below], I'd like to propose that we use Option >> 5, >>>>> Signal Type, to indicate TSG >>>> >>>> Do you see an issue with using Signal Type to indicate the *service* >>>> TSG? I don't think there would be any change to your proposed >>>> (hop-by-hop) label encoding. >>>> >>>> Lou >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/27/2011 10:37 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>> Nevermind. What is wrong with the current signaling approach, >> which >>>> by the way I think is great? >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:32 AM >>>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>>> Cc: CCAMP >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> I guess I should have titled my mail "Proposal on..." so that the >>>>>> proposal would actually get read... >>>>>> >>>>>> Lou >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/27/2011 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>>> Lou, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we >> advertise >>>>>>> tributary slot granularity in a new field. In signaling >>>>>>> (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09), it is derived from >> the >>>>>>> length of the TS bit map and the size of the ODUk/OTUk on which >> the >>>>>>> LSP is to be established. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Lou Berger >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM >>>>>>>> To: CCAMP >>>>>>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All / G.709 draft authors, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to >> indicate >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1: G-PID >>>>>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: >>>>>>>> One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED >>>>>> LABEL >>>>>>>> REQUEST Object. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2: A new field: >>>>>>>> draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: >>>>>>>> - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the >>>>>>>> advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3: Implicitly: >>>>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly >>>>>>>> signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some other alternatives include: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4: GMPLS Encoding >>>>>>>> Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the >> Switch >>>>>>>> cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: >>>>>>>> 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] >>>>>>>> TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as >>>>>>>> support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by >>>>>>>> [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5: Signal Type >>>>>>>> Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic >> parameters. >>>>>>>> Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or >>>> 2.5G. >>>>>>>> Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be >>>>>> enumerated >>>>>>>> for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would >>>>>> imply >>>>>>>> support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: >>>>>>>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure >> proper >>>>>>>> adaptation. >>>>>>>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper >>>>>>>> interface/H-LSP selection. >>>>>>>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for >>>>>> G.709) >>>>>>>> that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of >> the >>>>>>>> existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point >> client >>>>>>>> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only >>>> supports >>>>>>>> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to >> indicate >>>>>> TSG. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type >> checks >>>> in >>>>>>>> GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a >>>> better >>>>>>>> place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the >>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal >>>>>> Type, >>>>>>>> to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG >>>>>> drafts. >>>>>>>> (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Comments? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Much thanks, >>>>>>>> Lou (as WG contributor) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>>>>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From zhangfatai@huawei.com Tue Sep 27 19:02:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9C521F8B17 for ; 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Hi Ben,

 

I personally quite agree with you that the easy way is to deprecate NMC.=

 

We will add some text to address that (at least an editors' note will be= added to capture that).

 

Fatai

 

Thanks

 

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org= [ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Ben Wright [Ben.Wright@metaswitch.co= m]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C227=C8=D5 17:10
=B5=BD: ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [CCAMP] Question on NMC in draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evo= lving-g709

Hi all,

 

I had a detailed query = about the NMC usage in draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709.   T= his inherits the usage of the NMC from RFC4328, which would indicate the nu= mber of tributary slots requested for this signal type.   I think the following are both true. 

-  = ;        This information is stric= tly speaking redundant because the label now describes how the signal type = will be multiplexed onto a given link.

-  = ;        With the introduction of = the 1.25Gbps size, the tributary slot size can vary in a network. &nbs= p; Therefore, to preserve the usage of the NMC from RFC4328 nodes which sup= ported both TS sizes would need to translate the SENDER_TSPEC object at each hop to encode the right NMC value given th= e TS to be used on a given hop.   This isn=A1=AFt typical behavio= ur for a SENDER_TSPEC.   

 

Given the above, it see= ms to me easier to revert back to the original definition, which deprecated= this field from RFC4328.   To preserve back-compatibility with R= FC4328, I understand you=A1=AFve already agreed that nodes supporting draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709 should signal OTN L= SPs with switching capability 101 (OTN-TDM capable).  This makes it sa= fe to deprecate the NMC field in this new usage.

 

What do you think? = ;

 

Cheers,

 

Ben

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Hi Cyril,

 

I agree on your first suggestion.

 

Secondly, this draft is generic, when it needs to advertise label i= nformation for some specific tech (e.g., TDM), the document about spec= ific tech can refer to this draft and should define how to correl= ate the ISCDs and label sub-TLVs if there is no explicit or implicit relationship between them (I think there are lo= ts of potential solutions to handle that, it is quite tech specific stuff).

 

 

Fatai

 

Thanks

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN -= DE/Munich) [cyril.margaria@nsn.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C227=C8=D5 17:38
=B5=BD: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp= -gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,

 

Thanks for the answer,

 

Please see inline

 

 

From: ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:17 AM
To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org
Subject:
=B4= =F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-o= spf-te-02.txt

 

Hi Cyril,

Thanks for your commets.

Please see in-line below.


Fatai

Thanks



________________________________________
=B7=A2= =BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) [cyril.margar= ia@nsn.com]
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C226<= span style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"ZH-CN">=C8=D5 16:03
=B5=BD<= /span>: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7= =CC=E2: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-genera= l-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,

I have the following comments/question regarding this revision

3.2. Available Labels:

The text state : =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV   may occur a= t most once within the link TLV.=A1=B1

How to encode different label format in that case? I think the label format= would depend
on the ISCD, and as we might have several ISCD, having several Available La= bel sub-TLV make sense.
This also apply to 3.3. Shared Backup Labels.

[Fatai] This "may" should be "MAY" accordi= ng to Lou's suggestion, so it does not prevent you to have several availabl= e label sub-TLVs.

[Cyril] Stating =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV  = MAY  occur more than once within the link TLV.=A1=B1  Would be m= ore accurate and easier to understand.

 


In case of several ISCD are present for a given advertisement how to interp= ret the label format in the
label-related sub-TLVs?


[Fatai] It is easy to achive that. e.g, in SDH network, a= node can advertise several ISCDs with one or multiple label sub-TLVs = (I assume "IF" label information is needed to be advertised here), why it cannot interpret the labels are SDH labels?

[Cyril]  If there is 2 ISCD sub-TLV and 2 available label = sub-TLV, how to tell which available label sub-TLV relate to which ISCD sub= -TLV?

 


Could you clarify this point, it would be useful for instance to consider t= he example of a link supporting SDH
(no VC4-switching), ODU (G.709, as of RFC4328, and for the current G.709 v3= label format).

 

[Fatai]  Do you mean to have an example on hybrid node? I wil= l not use a complex example to explain a kind of simple= thing (It will confuse people).

[Cyril] It may not be so simple, I have trouble to interpret l= abel without knowing the ISCD considered and I do not see clearly the relat= ion between the two in the document.


The text is very focused on WSON, while it is a very interesting example, h= aving other technology (OTN for
example would help to show that the solution is generic.

[Fatai] I think one typical example is sufficient for people to un= derstand things. TDM network is different from WSON network. In TDM ne= twork, usually it will not advertise label information even though label information could be advertised.[Cyril] They are indeed different, but from label point of view= it should not make a difference. A usual use case of connectivity matrix w= ould be for example on client cards with switching restriction : fixed Multiplex and label assignment due to t= he fixed MUX (ODU2->ODU1 for instance)  on DWDM node :

the restric= tion can be modeled as one connectivity matrix per client port,

     &nb= sp;  the client port have then ISCD TDM,

     &nb= sp;  the other ports can do DWDM and TDM,

     &nb= sp;  for the connectivity matrix corresponding to a client port t= he only ODU label to be assigned (due to fixed MUX) is specified

 

First, is this modeling correct?

Second, how to make sure the label restriction are to be inter= preted as ODU labels?

 

I think it is also important to show that the extensions are a= lso working outside the framework they were born (WSON).

 

BR



Best Regards,
Cyril

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> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
> constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
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> Hi CCAMPers,
>
> A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the WG > discussion.
>
> We accepted Acee and Young's suggestion to introduce a new top-level > node TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new
> section (Section 5) was added to describe scalability issue.
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> Thanks
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> Fatai
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> constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and
> Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF.
>
>       Title     = ;      : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network El= ement
> Constraints
>       Author(s)    &= nbsp;  : Fatai Zhang
>            = ;            &n= bsp;  Young Lee
>            = ;            &n= bsp;  Jianrui Han
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>    Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be use= d to control a
>    wide variety of technologies including packet switch= ing (e.g.,
> MPLS),
>    time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (la= mbdas), and
>    spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to o= utgoing port or
>    fiber). In some of these technologies network elemen= ts and links may
>    impose additional routing constraints such as asymme= tric switch
>    connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label = range
> limitations
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--Boundary_(ID_R/sRx6EyrsvZjE7AekKJ2w)-- From lberger@labn.net Wed Sep 28 04:33:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CBE21F8B4A for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.792 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.792 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.631, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id moUPNlyzPgn1 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 25CB621F8B39 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4418 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 2011 11:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2011 11:36:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=hKVglnFo+t4yDuqxeVzjklgdCr6Pd7v/M30na+4bGf4=; b=tgCniSRn63lgeQ3sbidWgIgQ/sn1fBMzDmnpLyyu//WNCqRKl8Dqu8WUbiTetQX07loy9NJjdKMu2hP06sdDgzP6Cu0k6a7evqM8a32TxB52yCXm2KN5b2iBuzwqz1tx; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8sQu-0000rg-7R; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 05:36:12 -0600 Message-ID: <4E8306AA.60308@labn.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:36:10 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ong, Lyndon" References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net><5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED10@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net><4E81DE57.1080601@labn.net><5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED28@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net><4E81E48B.8090102@labn.net><5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05ED83@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net><4E81EBAD.1050204@labn.net><5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A28E05EF17@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4E823C45.6040501@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 11:33:28 -0000 Lyndon, This is actually one of the reasons to make the change. Signal type will represent the e2e constant connection characteristics, i.e., not change, while label can change hop-by-hop as is needed to represent how/where the connection is being carried on a a link. Lou On 9/27/2011 7:36 PM, Ong, Lyndon wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Not quite sure what you are proposing - would this mean the signal > type changes hop by hop if you are creating a connection that goes > over links supporting different TS granularity? > > Thanks, > > Lyndon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:13 PM > To: John E Drake > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG > > > > > On 9/27/2011 12:40 PM, John E Drake wrote: >> Lou, >> >> Using Signal Type in signaling in addition to the bit map label is >> probably okay. > > >> I don't think it makes any sense in routing and would >> prefer to continue to just have the two bits. >> > > On what basis? > > Lou > >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:29 AM >>> To: John E Drake >>> Cc: CCAMP >>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>> >>> John, >>> Two points: >>> >>> As a general rule, it doesn't make sense to invent yet another way to >>> carry information when an existing one will do. This is actually a >>> pretty fundamental tenant of GMPLS. >>> >>> Also, in GMPLS the general model for allocation is to carry resource >>> requirements in the TS not the label. Such use of the TS ensures that >>> the information is unambiguous in all cases. (For example, consider >>> the >>> corner case where you have a unidirectional LSP, where is TSG >>> requirements of the sender/upstream node indicated in the Path >>> message.) >>> >>> Lou >>> >>> On 9/27/2011 11:13 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>> Lou, >>>> >>>> Clearly, the info-model draft needs to be updated, but I am quite >>>> happy with the what is currently in the signaling and routing drafts >>>> and I haven't heard a compelling reason to change. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:58 AM >>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>> Cc: CCAMP >>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>>> >>>>> John, >>>>> There isn't alignment in the WG info-model and the individual >>>>> routing >>>>> and signaling drafts. I think we have enough ways of explicitly >>>>> carrying signal information that we can leverage to come up with a >>>>> clean >>>>> an unified approach that satisfies all the needs for TSG >>> information, >>>>> i.e.: >>>>> >>>>>> Given all this [see below], I'd like to propose that we use Option >>> 5, >>>>>> Signal Type, to indicate TSG >>>>> >>>>> Do you see an issue with using Signal Type to indicate the *service* >>>>> TSG? I don't think there would be any change to your proposed >>>>> (hop-by-hop) label encoding. >>>>> >>>>> Lou >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/27/2011 10:37 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>> Nevermind. What is wrong with the current signaling approach, >>> which >>>>> by the way I think is great? >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:32 AM >>>>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>>>> Cc: CCAMP >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John, >>>>>>> I guess I should have titled my mail "Proposal on..." so that the >>>>>>> proposal would actually get read... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lou >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/27/2011 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>>>> Lou, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In routing (draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07) we >>> advertise >>>>>>>> tributary slot granularity in a new field. In signaling >>>>>>>> (draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09), it is derived from >>> the >>>>>>>> length of the TS bit map and the size of the ODUk/OTUk on which >>> the >>>>>>>> LSP is to be established. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Lou Berger >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20 AM >>>>>>>>> To: CCAMP >>>>>>>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All / G.709 draft authors, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to >>> indicate >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1: G-PID >>>>>>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: >>>>>>>>> One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED >>>>>>> LABEL >>>>>>>>> REQUEST Object. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2: A new field: >>>>>>>>> draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: >>>>>>>>> - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the >>>>>>>>> advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3: Implicitly: >>>>>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly >>>>>>>>> signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some other alternatives include: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4: GMPLS Encoding >>>>>>>>> Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the >>> Switch >>>>>>>>> cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: >>>>>>>>> 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] >>>>>>>>> TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as >>>>>>>>> support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by >>>>>>>>> [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5: Signal Type >>>>>>>>> Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic >>> parameters. >>>>>>>>> Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or >>>>> 2.5G. >>>>>>>>> Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be >>>>>>> enumerated >>>>>>>>> for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would >>>>>>> imply >>>>>>>>> support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: >>>>>>>>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure >>> proper >>>>>>>>> adaptation. >>>>>>>>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper >>>>>>>>> interface/H-LSP selection. >>>>>>>>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for >>>>>>> G.709) >>>>>>>>> that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of >>> the >>>>>>>>> existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point >>> client >>>>>>>>> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only >>>>> supports >>>>>>>>> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to >>> indicate >>>>>>> TSG. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type >>> checks >>>>> in >>>>>>>>> GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a >>>>> better >>>>>>>>> place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the >>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal >>>>>>> Type, >>>>>>>>> to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG >>>>>>> drafts. >>>>>>>>> (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Comments? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Much thanks, >>>>>>>>> Lou (as WG contributor) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>>>>>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > > From sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com Wed Sep 28 05:00:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D45121F8D15 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 05:00:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.347, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m1qqIGMd1Uba for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 05:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail5.alcatel.fr (smail5.alcatel.fr [62.23.212.27]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEC921F8D23 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 05:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail5.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8SC2QnN023891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:02:57 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSB1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.41]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.61]) with mapi; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:02:41 +0200 From: "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)" To: "'Lou Berger'" Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:02:40 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG Thread-Index: Acx9GEaCdOFyEue6RSmRSU4oGnToQAAnq79g Message-ID: References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: it-IT X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.13 Cc: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] R: Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:00:12 -0000 Hi Lou, Please see in line . BR Sergio and Pietro -----Messaggio originale----- Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Lou= Berger Inviato: marted=EC 27 settembre 2011 15.20 A: CCAMP Oggetto: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG All / G.709 draft authors, We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate the [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: 1: G-PID draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED LABEL REQUEST Object. [ALU]What inserted in the INFO draft , is the result of the discussion made= in July on the subject, in the mailing , taking into account suggestion an= d comments coming from John, Jonathan and others participating at the discu= ssion. Our opinion is that the ending draft for signaling should be aligned to the= info model draft incorporating the required changes to GPID. The motivatio= ns behind our opinion can be better understood reading the other comments. 2: A new field: draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity [ALU] In the INFO we have explained the need also for TSG in routing (follo= wing conclusion of mailing list discussion) and the routing draft simply pr= oposes a possible encoding of the information. This solution, for the sake of truth, can be getting better, taking into ac= count the AutoPayloadtype flag information. This information is a typical M= I information , described in in G.798, and it simply tells us whether Fallb= ack procedure is enabled or not.=20 Since this information is typically configured by the manager we do not thi= nk it has to be considered directly in the control plane (neither signaled = or advertised ). However we have to take into account the fact that auto-payload type set to off generates interfaces that can support 1.25 TSG= only.=20 This fact can be incorporated in routing by adding a new meaning in the two= bits encodings: - 00 - 1.25 Gbps (AutoPayloadtype off) - 01 - 1.25 Gbps (AutoPayloadType on) - 10 - 2.5 Gbps=20 - 11 - Reserved 3: Implicitly: draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. [ALU] There is nothing implicitly. The reality is that at the moment signal= ing draft does not address the problem . What you consider as "implicitly d= educed" is in fact the TSG granularity with which the client is mapped in t= he server ODUk/OTUK or FA/H-LSP. What has to be clarified is that what we n= eed to signal is an adaptation information regarding what the server can ex= pose to the client regarding TS granularity capability.=20 TS size is an attribute of the adaptation used to put an ODUj into an ODUk. What you consider as implicit is just how ODUj is mapped into ODUk, but the= problem is to signal ODUk with the correct adaptation attribute. Some other alternatives include: 4: GMPLS Encoding Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) [ALU] Encoding field should define the nature of the LSP : RFC 4328 defined= two OTN new values G.709 ODUk (Digital Path) and G.709 Optical Channel. We= do not see any reason to link encoding with information that would need to= choose interfaces (as TSG) since the "nature " of LSP does not change depe= ndently of the usage of 1.25 or 2.5 ODUk tributary slot. 5: Signal Type Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or 2.5G. Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be enumerated for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. [ALU] During the discussion in July the usage of Signal Type was one of the= first possibilities analyzed. We definitely leave out signal type for the = reason above regarding adaptation information. TS granularity is an information that server LSP has to expose to client LS= P. What is related to the client is conveyed in the G-PID not in the Signal= Type .=20 There are no different Signal Type for the same ODU in OTN: e.g. ODU2 it is= the same , what can change is the adaptation attribute towards client (e.g= . 1.25 or 2.5 TSG for ODU1 client).=20 As I understand it, TSG is needed at: (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper adaptation. (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper interface/H-LSP selection. (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. [ALU] Item (c) is not correct. Intermediate nodes do not need to demultiple= x client, you can have ODU0 LSPs , that surely need to have 1,25 interfaces= in the end points but using 2.5 TSG in the middle of the network since the= y have tunneled on 2.5 structured containers.=20 It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for G.709) that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate TSG. [ALU] G-PID is the correct place : 1) It contains information related to client of an LSP that is exactly wha= t we need. 2) As reported in RFC 3471 " This is used by the nodes at the endpoints of = the LSP, and in some cases by the penultimate hop." We are exactly in these= "some cases" Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks in GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a better place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the needs. Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. [ALU] Already commented why not the right places. Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal Type, to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG drafts. (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) Comments? Much thanks, Lou (as WG contributor) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Wed Sep 28 08:34:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5331F0C6B for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.784 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.623, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id boKxlC-KBsaw for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 48C031F0C68 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30698 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 2011 15:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2011 15:37:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=ILkZfnJdHurmadnOBwOIBwEqF5Pdj63TtCqejeRB0WU=; b=CGcQeUY0f/yNiOw8NkNUKD2zj1upxRKtgPWrbS3iR+0cJuqbewU2P5QKbanoNFfyzBUmpcOvY+AzLjTwawu/O3Pizc4GUmRsNV9sfPajRtaqOnbUTeOaEOFjk4dWtIaq; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8wBx-0002X1-KO; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:37:01 -0600 Message-ID: <4E833F1B.4040004@labn.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 11:36:59 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)" References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] R: Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:34:15 -0000 Sergio and Pietro, It sounds like we should get in-sync on where TSG information is needed first then talk about how to carry it. So, I said: > As I understand it, TSG is needed at: > (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper > adaptation. > (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper > interface/H-LSP selection. > (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. > >From your mail, I infer that you agree on (a) and (b). Is this correct? WRT to (c) you said: > [ALU] Item (c) is not correct. Intermediate nodes do not need to demultiplex client, you can have ODU0 LSPs , that surely need to have 1,25 interfaces in the end points but using 2.5 TSG in the middle of the network since they have tunneled on 2.5 structured containers. > > I'm having a hard time parsing your statement. Are you saying (i) you client ODU0 carried over an ODUn (n>0) H-LSP or (ii) and ODU0 which is carried over links OTUn links and 2.5G slots in the intermediate links, or (iii) something completely different. Either way, isn't the case that it would be optimal to use 1.25 TSs for certain ODUs (e.g., OD0, ODUFlex) on transit links when both ends of the link support 1.25? You also said: > [ALU] In the INFO we have explained the need also for TSG in routing > (following conclusion of mailing list discussion) and the routing > draft simply proposes a possible encoding of the information. > > This solution, for the sake of truth, can be getting better, taking > into account the AutoPayloadtype flag information. This information > is a typical MI information , described in in G.798, and it simply > tells us whether Fallback procedure is enabled or not. > > Since this information is typically configured by the manager we do > not think it has to be considered directly in the control plane > (neither signaled or advertised ). However we have to take into > account the fact that auto-payload type set to off generates > interfaces that can support 1.25 TSG only. > Okay, now I'm really confused. This seems to imply that you are saying the (c) above is needed. What am I missing? Much thanks, Lou On 9/28/2011 8:02 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Please see in line . > > BR > > Sergio and Pietro > > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Lou Berger > Inviato: martedì 27 settembre 2011 15.20 > A: CCAMP > Oggetto: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG > > All / G.709 draft authors, > > We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate the > [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: > > > > 1: G-PID > draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: > One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED LABEL > REQUEST Object. > > [ALU]What inserted in the INFO draft , is the result of the discussion made in July on the subject, in the mailing , taking into account suggestion and comments coming from John, Jonathan and others participating at the discussion. > Our opinion is that the ending draft for signaling should be aligned to the info model draft incorporating the required changes to GPID. The motivations behind our opinion can be better understood reading the other comments. > > 2: A new field: > draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: > - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the > advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity > [ALU] In the INFO we have explained the need also for TSG in routing (following conclusion of mailing list discussion) and the routing draft simply proposes a possible encoding of the information. > This solution, for the sake of truth, can be getting better, taking into account the AutoPayloadtype flag information. This information is a typical MI information , described in in G.798, and it simply tells us whether Fallback procedure is enabled or not. > Since this information is typically configured by the manager we do not think it has to be considered directly in the control plane (neither signaled or advertised ). However we have to take into account the fact that > auto-payload type set to off generates interfaces that can support 1.25 TSG only. > > This fact can be incorporated in routing by adding a new meaning in the two bits encodings: > > - 00 - 1.25 Gbps (AutoPayloadtype off) > > - 01 - 1.25 Gbps (AutoPayloadType on) > > - 10 - 2.5 Gbps > > - 11 - Reserved > > > 3: Implicitly: > draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly > signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. > > [ALU] There is nothing implicitly. The reality is that at the moment signaling draft does not address the problem . What you consider as "implicitly deduced" is in fact the TSG granularity with which the client is mapped in the server ODUk/OTUK or FA/H-LSP. What has to be clarified is that what we need to signal is an adaptation information regarding what the server can expose to the client regarding TS granularity capability. > TS size is an attribute of the adaptation used to put an ODUj into an ODUk. > What you consider as implicit is just how ODUj is mapped into ODUk, but the problem is to signal ODUk with the correct adaptation attribute. > > Some other alternatives include: > > 4: GMPLS Encoding > Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch > cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: > 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] > TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) > > In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as > support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by > [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) > > [ALU] Encoding field should define the nature of the LSP : RFC 4328 defined two OTN new values G.709 ODUk (Digital Path) and G.709 Optical Channel. We do not see any reason to link encoding with information that would need to choose interfaces (as TSG) since the "nature " of LSP does not change dependently of the usage of 1.25 or 2.5 ODUk tributary slot. > > 5: Signal Type > Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. > Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or 2.5G. > Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be enumerated > for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would imply > support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. > > [ALU] During the discussion in July the usage of Signal Type was one of the first possibilities analyzed. We definitely leave out signal type for the reason above regarding adaptation information. > TS granularity is an information that server LSP has to expose to client LSP. What is related to the client is conveyed in the G-PID not in the Signal Type . > There are no different Signal Type for the same ODU in OTN: e.g. ODU2 it is the same , what can change is the adaptation attribute towards client (e.g. 1.25 or 2.5 TSG for ODU1 client). > > As I understand it, TSG is needed at: > (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper > adaptation. > (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper > interface/H-LSP selection. > (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. > > [ALU] Item (c) is not correct. Intermediate nodes do not need to demultiplex client, you can have ODU0 LSPs , that surely need to have 1,25 interfaces in the end points but using 2.5 TSG in the middle of the network since they have tunneled on 2.5 structured containers. > > > > It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for G.709) > that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the > existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: > > Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client > adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports > need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate TSG. > > [ALU] G-PID is the correct place : > 1) It contains information related to client of an LSP that is exactly what we need. > 2) As reported in RFC 3471 " This is used by the nodes at the endpoints of the LSP, and in some cases by the penultimate hop." We are exactly in these "some cases" > > Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks in > GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a better > place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the needs. > > Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. > > [ALU] Already commented why not the right places. > > Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal Type, > to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG drafts. > (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) > > Comments? > > Much thanks, > Lou (as WG contributor) > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > From bertietf@bwijnen.net Wed Sep 28 08:29:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243381F0C60; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:29:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CqVXcpwf7Yc3; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1342]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFE31F0C5F; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dodo.ripe.net ([193.0.23.4]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R8w7g-000301-3X; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:32:37 +0200 Received: from dog.ripe.net ([193.0.1.217] helo=BWMACBOOK.local) by dodo.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R8w7f-0002WQ-GF; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:32:35 +0200 Message-ID: <4E833E13.20008@bwijnen.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:32:35 +0200 From: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 86ab03e524994f79ca2c75a176445dd4e2fb21bdc6bd2704877ebab75cd58d76 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:34:41 -0700 Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , ops-dir@ietf.org, ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org, Ron Bonica Subject: [CCAMP] Operations Directorate Review of draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:29:55 -0000 [I am not on ccamp list, so this posting may have to be approved explicitly] I did an OPS-DIR review for document draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-07 As the document writeup states: This document is an informational framework with nothing to implement. There are a number of drafts being progressed that address various aspects of the framework. So it would be those documents being progressed that would have to include any discussion about operational or manageability aspects of the various solutions. At the other hand, it might have been useful if this document would have touched upon some operational/manageability aspects for each of the possible solutions. It seems clear that there are different characteristics depending on which solution is chosen. Specifically the talk about "black links" makes me worried that solutions can become complex and less interoperable. So I think it is probably best top let this Informational doc pass and be published. But please make sure that the follow up documents DO discuss operational and management aspects of the chosen solution. Bert Wijnen p.s. I am not on the ccamp list so if you want me to see any answers, pls copy me explicitly. On 9/28/11 2:14 AM, Tina TSOU wrote: > Hello, > As a member of the Operations Directorate you are being asked to review the following draft which is in IETF last call for it's operational impact. > > IETF Last Call: > The file can be obtained via > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments/ > > IESG discussion can be tracked via > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments/ > > Please provide comments and review to the Ops-dir mailing list > (ops-dir@ietf.org) before 2011-10-11, and include the authors of the > draft as well. > > A Check-list of possible questions/topics to address in an OPS-DIR > review may be found in Appendix A of RFC 5706. > Only include the questions that apply to your review. > > Would you add the review requests and update the status yourself at our wiki page? > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/Directorates > > > Thank you, > Tina > http://tinatsou.weebly.com > > From lberger@labn.net Wed Sep 28 09:29:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9214911E80D9 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:29:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.775 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.775 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.614, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DXp6pn7hIagE for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E4EFD11E80D4 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18419 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 2011 16:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2011 16:32:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=hAbJ5SCfr0cNtAeOsaF3mPLmZ4DzY3/zX9VIbo4bY0w=; b=GgD4sxRHUGgR5MmcfOw5tBH6YYOVXY4exZYnrwgYtyFJ1gV2liI1KPbMbxR3o/6Ayn1Zhqibz5gJW0nr0bjLir01ASluOMH1CmmOv5CZeYEXO1hcZm1HVUC5nXB2z28u; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R8x3O-0001qv-Ni for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:32:14 -0600 Message-ID: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:32:13 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:29:27 -0000 This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather that further development of the documents will take place based on WG process. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) From jdrake@juniper.net Wed Sep 28 10:26:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A978011E80FA for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.173 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.173 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.426, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vLiekP7BWYnc for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og114.obsmtp.com (exprod7og114.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.215]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B865011E8091 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob114.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKToNZVU1QqRgFTSg+8VRFQi50wMhVavSR@postini.com; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:28:54 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::99ad:1ca:2a64:e987]) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::88f9:77fd:dfc:4d51%11]) with mapi; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:26:48 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger , CCAMP Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:26:46 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents Thread-Index: Acx9/DKt8NsjT6suSLmH9jX/rnSepwAB5Pzg Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A43FFBFEEB@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:26:06 -0000 Yes to both > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:32 PM > To: CCAMP > Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG > documents >=20 > This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed > below > ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list > indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of > course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume > that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) >=20 > If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the > document. >=20 > The documents being polled are: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 >=20 > The poll ends Wednesday October 12. >=20 > Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is > complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but > rather that further development of the documents will take place based > on WG process. >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From prvs=325227afd3=lyong@ciena.com Wed Sep 28 10:28:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09DD21F8D7B for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.39 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.125, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0nc55s1IbycD for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00103a01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00103a01.pphosted.com [67.231.152.227]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EA821F8CCB for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0001124 [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00103a01.pphosted.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id p8SHUGsw029431; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:31:33 -0400 Received: from mdwexght01.ciena.com (LIN1-118-36-28.ciena.com [63.118.36.28]) by mx0b-00103a01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 1047ucg1rp-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:31:28 -0400 Received: from MDWEXGMB02.ciena.com ([::1]) by MDWEXGHT01.ciena.com ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:31:29 -0400 From: "Ong, Lyndon" To: Lou Berger , CCAMP Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:31:29 -0400 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WGdocuments Thread-Index: Acx9/DOeJL3al7rQRUSyCaDKssN+MQACATMw Message-ID: References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.0.0.1412-6.800.1017-18414.000 x-tm-as-result: No--39.560200-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2011-09-28_05:2011-09-28, 2011-09-27, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1109280195 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WGdocuments X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:28:46 -0000 Support both (contributor to both, though). Lyndon -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of L= ou Berger Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:32 AM To: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG docum= ents This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather that further development of the documents will take place based on WG process. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From leeyoung@huawei.com Wed Sep 28 14:44:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA70D1F0C8C for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.558 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y-29ac1y286E for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga02-in.huawei.com (usaga02-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C87C1F0C81 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LS9000FU5URNI@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:47:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.18.4.104]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0LS900JG35U2GB@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:47:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:47:14 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.151]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:47:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:47:02 +0000 From: Leeyoung In-reply-to: X-Originating-IP: [10.47.132.107] To: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" , "ccamp@ietf.org" Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E09A@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Thread-topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Thread-index: AQHMfGU421ASISnyGEauN0YmoQNTfpVjNyIg X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17181669D3@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:44:29 -0000 Hi Cyril, Thanks for your review and suggestions. It looks like there are two issues pending: Point #2 and #3. We can close the rest of the points you raised with the action specified in-line. Please let me know otherwise. Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) [mailto:cyril.margaria@nsn.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:59 AM To: Leeyoung; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Hi, I have the following comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 after it being updated and in light of the WG discussions: 1) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field: The information model indicates that the resource block set is optional for the "Resource Block Information", hence the text should be modified as follow: "0 - Inclusive List Indicates that the TLV contains zero or more RB elements that are included in the list." YOUNG>> Will do in the next revision. (Closure) 2) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field: RB Identifier: as stated in section "3. Resources, Blocks, Sets, and the Resource Pool", Resources and Resource Blocks are related to interface cards. GMPLS implementations are using 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs to identify GMPLS links and also the corresponding physical resources. OEO devices and, in the context of this document, resource or resource group can also be identified by 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs. From an implementation point of view, having 16-bit resource block IDs have several drawbacks because of the following points: a) Mapping exists between physical resource and unnumbered interface IDs, this mapping is generally known by management system, introducing a different ID space is not optimal (new mapping needed); b) Those OEOs might be used as links in a multi-node model, thus being identified by a 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs, introducing another space is also not optimal. Therefore, it would be better if the resource block IDs were 32-bit interface IDs (to be unique within the node, not because they are representing links in this document). YOUNG>> The only motivation why we used 16 bits for RB ID is to reduce the space. And I think this is an internal link so it is not the real interface per se and thus there is no need to keep track of the state of RB ID like other legitimate interfaces. I don't think there is a substantial implementation issue here whether we use 16 bits or 32 bits, but if there is a strong support to use 32 bit ID over 16 bit ID, I am fine with this. Lou and Deborah, do you have any suggestion on this issue? Or other implementers? 3) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field Why not define a bit set action, similar to the label set? YOUNG>> Are you referring the Label Set encoding as follows from draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05.txt 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action| Num Labels | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Base Label | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Additional fields as necessary per action | The current Resource Block Set Field is encoded as follows: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action |E|C| Reserved | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | RB Identifier 1 | RB Identifier 2 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ : : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | RB Identifier n-1 | RB Identifier n | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ YOUNG>> Can you be specific about your suggestion? Are you concerned about label being 32 bit vs RB identifier being 16 bits? --- then this is basically related to your point #2. If you have other concerns, please spell them out (e.g., action field (4 bits vs 8 bits), etc..) The Num Labels field is necessary when we are indicating bit maps (Action = 4), which Is not needed for Resource Block Set; E bit is not necessary when we adopt 32 bit RB ID, but C bit is needed to indicate the connectivity nature of Resource Pool Accessibility. YOUNG>> Would the following encoding is what you are envisioning? If not, please suggest in detail. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action|C| | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | RB Identifier 1 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ : : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | RB Identifier n | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 4) section 4.3. Resource Pool State Sub-TLV The RB state refers to the number of available resources within the resource block, the first sentence mentions the resource pool only. In addition, a bit map can be used even in case the resource block contains several resources. The following text tries to reflect this, please consider it. "The state of the pool is given by the number of resources available with particular characteristics. A resource block set is used to encode all or a subset of the resources of interest. The usage state of resources within a resource block set is encoded as either a list of 16-bit integer values, indicating the number of available resources in the resource block, or a map of bits, indicating whether a particular resource is available or not." YOUNG>> Thanks. This is fine. Will add as you suggested in the revision (Closure) 5) section 4.3. Resource Pool State Sub-TLV Typo: "RB Usage state: Variable Length but must be a multiple of 4 bytes." (byes->bytes) YOUNG>> Thanks. Will do s/byes/bytes in Section 4.3 (Closure) 6) section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV Having an Input Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of modulation formats (with an input-output bit) and an Output Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of modulation formats (with an input-output bit) seems redundant because the bit I already indicates if it is an output or input modulation format. Having a single Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV is providing the same information with an efficient encoding, a single sub-sub-TLV type should be used. Same reasoning apply to the FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV. YOUNG>> I guess what you are suggesting is as follows: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | RB Set Field | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |I|E| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Modulation Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Input Client Signal Type Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Input Bit Rate Range List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Processing Capabilities List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ YOUNG>> If that's what you suggested, that is fine with me. If that is that case, I will revise with this figure in the revision. (Closure) 7) section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV Add the following text: "The order of sub-sub-TLVs does not matter, the sub-sub-TLVs MAY be in any order." YOUNG>> Thanks. This will be added in the revision (Closure) Best Regards, Cyril Margaria > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Leeyoung > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:30 PM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > > Hi, > > This update (version 12) includes the following: > > (i) Replaced all instances of "ingress" with "input" and all instances > of "egress" with "output". > (ii) Added clarifying text on relationship between resource block model > and physical entities such as line cards. > > This draft is now very mature and incorporated all the comments raised > in the mailing list and the last meetings. > > Thanks, > Young > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:20 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information > Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks > Author(s) : Young Lee > Greg M. Bernstein > Dan Li > Wataru Imajuku > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2011-09-09 > > This document provides a model of information needed by the routing > and wavelength assignment (RWA) process in wavelength switched > optical networks (WSONs). The purpose of the information described > in this model is to facilitate constrained lightpath computation in > WSONs. This model takes into account compatibility constraints > between WSON signal attributes and network elements but does not > include constraints due to optical impairments. 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Thanks Fatai > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:32 PM > To: CCAMP > Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG > documents > > This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed > below > ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list > indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of > course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume > that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) > > If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the > document. > > The documents being polled are: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 > > The poll ends Wednesday October 12. > > Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is > complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but > rather that further development of the documents will take place based > on WG process. > > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) > _______________________________________________ From huawei.danli@huawei.com Wed Sep 28 19:08:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236D01F0C79 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.444 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.444 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.893, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6z6B9uNePCKV for ; 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Regards, Huub. > ________________________________________ > ·¢¼þÈË: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] ´ú±í Lou Berger [lberger@labn.net] > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä: 2011Äê9ÔÂ29ÈÕ 0:32 > µ½: CCAMP > Ö÷Ìâ: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents > > This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below > ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list > indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of > course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume > that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) > > If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the > document. > > The documents being polled are: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 > > The poll ends Wednesday October 12. > > Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is > complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but > rather that further development of the documents will take place based > on WG process. > > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) From tochio@jp.fujitsu.com Wed Sep 28 20:30:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE87221F8DF3 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:30:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.09 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.09 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VUXAXXGD153q for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgwmail5.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail5.fujitsu.co.jp [192.51.44.35]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3187521F8DF4 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m1.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (unknown [10.0.50.71]) by fgwmail5.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9803EE081 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:33:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smail (m1 [127.0.0.1]) by outgoing.m1.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414E145DE56 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:33:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from s1.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (s1.gw.fujitsu.co.jp [10.0.50.91]) by m1.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD1945DE55 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:33:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from s1.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by s1.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCA01DB8051 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:33:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from sw11.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (sw11.gw.fujitsu.co.jp [10.0.76.51]) by s1.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E514F1DB8049 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:33:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.31.165.90]) by sw11.gw.fujitsu.co.jp with ESMTP id p8T3XG9l033083 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:33:31 +0900 (JST) X-SecurityPolicyCheck: OK by SHieldMailChecker v1.5.1 Message-ID: <4E83E6F2.7030602@jp.fujitsu.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:33:06 +0900 From: Yuji Tochio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:30:44 -0000 Support for both. Thanks, Yuji (2011/09/29 1:32), Lou Berger wrote: > This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below > ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list > indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of > course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume > that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) > > If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the > document. > > The documents being polled are: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 > > The poll ends Wednesday October 12. > > Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is > complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but > rather that further development of the documents will take place based > on WG process. > > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > From ping@pingpan.org Wed Sep 28 20:46:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10AF11E80CC for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:46:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.834 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.834 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HWxcUDXhCzI2 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og118.obsmtp.com (exprod7og118.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CA9A311E80A4 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.212.45]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob118.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKToPquTZ91eub74PN6kXhF2XO355968e7@postini.com; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:49:21 PDT Received: by vws17 with SMTP id 17so157793vws.4 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.97.36 with SMTP id dx4mr9238907vdb.146.1317268153066; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:49:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.160.40 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:48:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> From: Ping Pan Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:48:29 +0800 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f31a656655704ae0c6405 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:46:31 -0000 --20cf307f31a656655704ae0c6405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes to both. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below > ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list > indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of > course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume > that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) > > If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the > document. > > The documents being polled are: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 > > The poll ends Wednesday October 12. > > Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is > complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but > rather that further development of the documents will take place based > on WG process. > > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > --20cf307f31a656655704ae0c6405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes to both.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:3= 2 AM, Lou Berger <= lberger@labn.net> wrote:
This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. =A0Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support eithe= r". =A0Of
course, you may also support one but not the other. =A0(We will assume
that you support/object to both if you don't specify.)

If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the
document.

The documents being polled are:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-g= mpls-ospf-g709-07
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-e= volving-g709-09

The poll ends Wednesday October 12.

Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is
complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but
rather that further development of the documents will take place based
on WG process.

Much thanks,
Lou (and Deborah)
_______________________________________________
CCAMP mailing list
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--20cf307f31a656655704ae0c6405-- From pietro_vittorio.grandi@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Sep 29 00:24:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F047321F8D25 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:24:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.693, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZHZOaOFDjxMH for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail5.alcatel.fr (smail5.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.27]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A71921F8B8A for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail5.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8T7RYXu016608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:27:39 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSB1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.41]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:26:58 +0200 From: "GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO)" To: Lou Berger , CCAMP Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:26:55 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents Thread-Index: Acx9/DV+jQ6dp5WsR9CyZ0GrQm6tnAAfOhYg Message-ID: References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.13 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:24:51 -0000 Support both as co-author :-) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pietro Vittorio Grandi Terrestrial Optics Portfolio Evolution Alcatel-Lucent Vimercate (Italy) Tel: +39 039 686 4930 Mail: pietro_vittorio.grandi@alcatel-lucent.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's rel= ativity. (A. Einstein) -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of L= ou Berger Sent: mercoled=EC 28 settembre 2011 18.32 To: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG docum= ents This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather that further development of the documents will take place based on WG process. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Sep 29 00:26:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FB021F8D3F for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.66 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.66 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.589, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tvuWqjyymGeJ for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F5621F8B9F for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8T7SRRB029158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:28:56 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.34]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:28:39 +0200 From: "PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" To: Leeyoung , "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:28:38 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Thread-Index: AQHMfGU421ASISnyGEauN0YmoQNTfpVjNyIggADAUzA= Message-ID: References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17181669D3@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E09A@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E09A@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:26:23 -0000 Hi Young, See in line. =20 Best regards, - pierre -----Message d'origine----- De : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de L= eeyoung Envoy=E9 : mercredi 28 septembre 2011 23:47 =C0 : Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org Objet : Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Hi Cyril, Thanks for your review and suggestions. It looks like there are two issues = pending: Point #2 and #3.=20 We can close the rest of the points you raised with the action specified in= -line. Please let me know otherwise.=20 Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) [mailto:cyril.margaria@nsn.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:59 AM To: Leeyoung; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Hi,=20 I have the following comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 after it being updated and in light of the WG discussions: 1) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field: The information model indicates that the resource block set is optional for the "Resource Block Information", hence the text should be modified as follow: "0 - Inclusive List Indicates that the TLV contains zero or more RB elements that are included in the list." YOUNG>> Will do in the next revision. (Closure)=20 2) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field: RB Identifier: as stated in section "3. Resources, Blocks, Sets, and the Resource Pool", Resources and Resource Blocks are related to interface cards. GMPLS implementations are using 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs to identify GMPLS links and also the corresponding physical resources. OEO devices and, in the context of this document, resource or resource group can also be identified by 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs. From an implementation point of view, having 16-bit resource block IDs have several drawbacks because of the following points: a) Mapping exists between physical resource and unnumbered interface IDs, this mapping is generally known by management system, introducing a different ID space is not optimal (new mapping needed); b) Those OEOs might be used as links in a multi-node model, thus being identified by a 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs, introducing another space is also not optimal. Therefore, it would be better if the resource block IDs were 32-bit interface IDs (to be unique within the node, not because they are representing links in this document). YOUNG>> The only motivation why we used 16 bits for RB ID is to reduce the = space. And I think this is an internal link so it is not the real interface= per se and thus there is no need to keep track of the state of RB ID like = other legitimate interfaces. I don't think there is a substantial implement= ation issue here whether we use 16 bits or 32 bits, but if there is a stron= g support to use 32 bit ID over 16 bit ID, I am fine with this. Lou and Deb= orah, do you have any suggestion on this issue? Or other implementers?=20 PIERRE>> As an implementer I am in favor of 32 bits, which I find more conv= enient for the same reasons as the one exposed by Cyril. 3) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field Why not define a bit set=20 action, similar to the label set? YOUNG>> Are you referring the Label Set encoding as follows from draft-ietf= -ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05.txt 0 1 2 3=20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | Action| Num Labels | Length |=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | Base Label |=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | Additional fields as necessary per action | The current Resource Block Set Field is encoded as follows: 0 1 2 3=20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | Action |E|C| Reserved | Length |=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | RB Identifier 1 | RB Identifier 2 |=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 : : :=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | RB Identifier n-1 | RB Identifier n |=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ YOUNG>> Can you be specific about your suggestion? Are you concerned about = label being 32 bit vs RB identifier being 16 bits? --- then this is basical= ly related to your point #2. If you have other concerns, please spell them = out (e.g., action field (4 bits vs 8 bits), etc..) The Num Labels field is = necessary when we are indicating bit maps (Action =3D 4), which Is not need= ed for Resource Block Set; E bit is not necessary when we adopt 32 bit RB I= D, but C bit is needed to indicate the connectivity nature of Resource Pool= Accessibility.=20 YOUNG>> Would the following encoding is what you are envisioning? If not, p= lease suggest in detail.=20 0 1 2 3=20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | Action|C| | Length |=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | RB Identifier 1 |=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 : : :=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | RB Identifier n |=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 4) section 4.3. Resource Pool State Sub-TLV The RB state refers to the number of available resources within the=20 resource block, the first sentence mentions the resource pool only. In addition, a bit map can be used even in case the resource block contains several resources. The following text tries to reflect this, please consider it. "The state of the pool is given by the number of resources available with particular characteristics. A resource block set is used to encode all or a subset of the resources of interest. The usage state of resources within a resource block set is encoded as either a list of 16-bit integer values, indicating the number of available resources in the resource block, or a map of bits, indicating whether a particular resource is available or not." YOUNG>> Thanks. This is fine. Will add as you suggested in the revision (Cl= osure) 5) section 4.3. Resource Pool State Sub-TLV Typo: "RB Usage state: Variable Length but must be a multiple of 4=20 bytes." (byes->bytes) YOUNG>> Thanks. Will do s/byes/bytes in Section 4.3 (Closure) 6) section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV Having an Input Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of=20 modulation formats (with an input-output bit) and an Output Modulation=20 Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of modulation formats (with an input-output bit) seems redundant because the bit I already indicates if it is an output or input modulation format. Having a single Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV is providing the same information with an efficient encoding, a single sub-sub-TLV type should be used. Same reasoning apply to the FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV. YOUNG>> I guess what you are suggesting is as follows:=20 0 1 2 3=20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | RB Set Field |=20 : :=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 |I|E| Reserved |=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | Modulation Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) |=20 : :=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) |=20 : :=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | Input Client Signal Type Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) |=20 : :=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | Input Bit Rate Range List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) |=20 : :=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 | Processing Capabilities List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) |=20 : :=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=20 YOUNG>> If that's what you suggested, that is fine with me. If that is that= case, I will revise with this figure in the revision. (Closure)=20 PIERRE>> Actually Young, I take the modification proposed is slightly diffr= ent it is more to have an I and E bits directly inside each of the Modulati= on Type and each of the FEC type field. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |S|I|E| Modulation ID | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ I bit set to 1 states that the modulation is valid as ingress E bit set to 1 states that the modulation is valid as egress The same for the FEC type list. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |S|I|E| FEC ID | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 7) section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV Add the following text: "The order of sub-sub-TLVs does not matter, the sub-sub-TLVs MAY be in any order." YOUNG>> Thanks. This will be added in the revision (Closure) Best Regards,=20 Cyril Margaria > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Leeyoung > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:30 PM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > Hi, >=20 > This update (version 12) includes the following: >=20 > (i) Replaced all instances of "ingress" with "input" and all instances > of "egress" with "output". > (ii) Added clarifying text on relationship between resource block model > and physical entities such as line cards. >=20 > This draft is now very mature and incorporated all the comments raised > in the mailing list and the last meetings. >=20 > Thanks, > Young >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:20 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information > Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks > Author(s) : Young Lee > Greg M. Bernstein > Dan Li > Wataru Imajuku > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2011-09-09 >=20 > This document provides a model of information needed by the routing > and wavelength assignment (RWA) process in wavelength switched > optical networks (WSONs). The purpose of the information described > in this model is to facilitate constrained lightpath computation in > WSONs. This model takes into account compatibility constraints > between WSON signal attributes and network elements but does not > include constraints due to optical impairments. Aspects of this > information that may be of use to other technologies utilizing a > GMPLS control plane are discussed. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Sep 29 00:49:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED43721F8CE9 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:49:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.986 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.986 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.263, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5sQ7DcUlmAPU for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9F921F8CDD for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8T7jgT4006270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:52:07 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSB1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.41]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:51:40 +0200 From: "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)" To: Lou Berger , CCAMP Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:51:38 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents Thread-Index: Acx9/DV+jQ6dp5WsR9CyZ0GrQm6tnAAgD75w Message-ID: References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: it-IT X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: [CCAMP] R: Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:49:19 -0000 Support both (as co-authors) SERGIO BELOTTI ALCATEL-LUCENT Terrestrial System Architect Optics Portfolio Evolution via Trento 30 , Vimercate(MI) Italy T: +39 0396863033 Sergio.Belotti@alcatel-lucent.com -----Messaggio originale----- Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Lou= Berger Inviato: mercoled=EC 28 settembre 2011 18.32 A: CCAMP Oggetto: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG docum= ents This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather that further development of the documents will take place based on WG process. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From pietro_vittorio.grandi@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Sep 29 01:46:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D8521F8D87 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.644, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s6+74uoRS6mt for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E4521F8D7C for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.63]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8T8hYlL000904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:02 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSB1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.41]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.63]) with mapi; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:48:27 +0200 From: "GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO)" To: Lou Berger Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:48:25 +0200 Thread-Topic: R: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG Thread-Index: Acx99H1JIz/e22M8SvyqX/cniM/HiAAjm2sg Message-ID: References: <4E81CD97.3020209@labn.net> <4E833F1B.4040004@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E833F1B.4040004@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] R: Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:46:19 -0000 Hello Lou, we try to make further clarification, with a long explanation in line ( sor= ry for this :-)) Pietro and Sergio =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pietro Vittorio Grandi Terrestrial Optics Portfolio Evolution Alcatel-Lucent Vimercate (Italy) Tel: +39 039 686 4930 Mail: pietro_vittorio.grandi@alcatel-lucent.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's rel= ativity. (A. Einstein) -----Original Message----- From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]=20 Sent: mercoled=EC 28 settembre 2011 17.37 To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) Cc: CCAMP; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO) Subject: Re: R: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG Sergio and Pietro, It sounds like we should get in-sync on where TSG information is needed first then talk about how to carry it. So, I said: > As I understand it, TSG is needed at: > (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper > adaptation. > (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper > interface/H-LSP selection. > (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. > >From your mail, I infer that you agree on (a) and (b). Is this correct? [[ALU]] We agree on (a) and (b).=20 WRT to (c) you said: > [ALU] Item (c) is not correct. Intermediate nodes do not need to demultiplex client, you can have ODU0 LSPs , that surely need to have 1,25 interfaces in the end points but using 2.5 TSG in the middle of the network since they have tunneled on 2.5 structured containers. > > I'm having a hard time parsing your statement. Are you saying (i) you client ODU0 carried over an ODUn (n>0) H-LSP or (ii) and ODU0 which is carried over links OTUn links and 2.5G slots in the intermediate links, or (iii) something completely different. =20 [[ALU]] We think that the better way to understand the problem is having in= mind a reference model composed by: A) The current LSP that we are drawing.=20 B) The server resources used by the current LSP. These resources can be dif= ferent link by link. The server resources can be represented in control pla= ne either by TE-link or FA-LSP. When the server capacity is higher then the capacity of the current LSP (we mean not at the same rate of the client= ) , the server is structured and the current LSP is adapted in the server u= sing 1.25 or 2.5 tributary slots depending from the capability of both the endpoints of the server. C) A resource that is a client of the current LSP. This client can either b= e an ODU or use a different technology.=20 If the client in point c) is an ODU (or better a set of ODUs at different r= ates) then the current LSP will have (in future) to be structured in such a= way that the ODU client(s) will be carried.=20 In order to ensure that a client can be set two things must happen at the e= ndpoint of the current LSP. The first one is that both endpoints declare th= e same set of clients, and the second is that both endpoint can support the same tributary slot granularity. Note that it is not possible to infer = the tributary slot granularity from the client-server hierarchies declared by a TE-link. Just to make an example, take a TE-link that declares to supp= ort ODU2 over ODU3, ODU2 can be mapped over ODU3 either using 2.5 or 1.25 t= ributary slots. To complicate things, it is not always true that an interfa= ce supporting 1.25 tributary slots can also support 2.5 tributary slots, be= cause this specific functionality (known as fallback support setting auto-p= ayload flag to ON) can be either not present in HW or disabled by NMS. =20 In conclusion to this reasoning, when we signal the current LSP (of point A= ) we need to transfer two information: The desired tributary slot granularity that the current LSP will export to future clients and the set of clients (= point C) that has to be supported (if known). The desired tributary slot granularity to be exported to future clients dir= ectly affects the adaptation that will be instantiated when drawing a clien= t.=20 The desired tributary slot granularity is the entity that we are debating. = Note that the desired tributary slot granularity for client does not affect the label signaled for the current LSP. These labels are only affect= ed by the tributary slot granularity exported by the server that is carrying the current LSP. Last but not least, note that the tributary slot granularity is not=20 part of current LSP in the sense that does not exist an ODU2 at 1.25 TS and does not exist an ODU2 at 2.5 TS. It only exist an ODU2 at a nominal ra= te mapped over a higher rate server using 2.5 or 1.25 TS. =20 =20 > Either way, isn't the case that it would be optimal to use 1.25 TSs for > certain ODUs (e.g., OD0, ODUFlex) on transit links when both ends of the > link support 1.25? [[ALU]] Tributary Slots were originally introduced in order to avoid link d= efragmentation. They started at 2.5 that was correct for all ODUs (at that = time) and following it was introduced 1.25 in order to better accommodate G= bEthernet client (into ODU0 at 1,25) and also ODU-flex (CBR) . ODU0 and ODU flex MUST be mapped over their server at 1.25. Just to make an= example let's take an ODU0 LSP that has to be carried over an ODU2 LSP tha= t in turn is mapped over several ODU3 LSPs.=20 When signaling the ODU2 LSP we must ensure that at the endpoints the ODU2 L= SP supports at the endpoints the 1.25 TS granularity. There is no need (and it is not an optimization) to force the ODU2 LSP to use ODU3 LSPs that export 1.25 TS. =20 You also said: > [ALU] In the INFO we have explained the need also for TSG in routing > (following conclusion of mailing list discussion) and the routing > draft simply proposes a possible encoding of the information. > > This solution, for the sake of truth, can be getting better, taking > into account the AutoPayloadtype flag information. This information > is a typical MI information , described in in G.798, and it simply > tells us whether Fallback procedure is enabled or not. >=20 > Since this information is typically configured by the manager we do > not think it has to be considered directly in the control plane > (neither signaled or advertised ). However we have to take into > account the fact that auto-payload type set to off generates > interfaces that can support 1.25 TSG only. >=20 > Okay, now I'm really confused. This seems to imply that you are saying > the (c) above is needed. What am I missing? [[ALU]] the advertising of TS information in routing is coming from the req= uirement found in ITU-T's G.7715.1 stating the need for links to advertise = the adaptations supported by a link end (i.e. TE-Link end). As said before = TS size is an adaptation attribute. When the TE-Link advertisement (whether= a TE-Link created by an FA or a TE-Link that uses a physical link) include= s details related to TSG, it is possible for routing to validate the compat= ibility of the endpoints with the service requested. This has nothing to do with point c of your statement that would imply alwa= ys along the path to have only one type of TS size. Much thanks, Lou On 9/28/2011 8:02 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: > Hi Lou, >=20 > Please see in line . >=20 > BR >=20 > Sergio and Pietro >=20 >=20 > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di L= ou Berger > Inviato: marted=EC 27 settembre 2011 15.20 > A: CCAMP > Oggetto: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >=20 > All / G.709 draft authors, >=20 > We have a few slightly unaligned proposals on where to indicate the > [G.709-v3] Tributary Slot Granularity: >=20 >=20 >=20 > 1: G-PID > draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 says: > One possible solution is the G-PID field of the GENERALIZED LABEL > REQUEST Object. >=20 > [ALU]What inserted in the INFO draft , is the result of the discussion ma= de in July on the subject, in the mailing , taking into account suggestion = and comments coming from John, Jonathan and others participating at the dis= cussion. > Our opinion is that the ending draft for signaling should be aligned to t= he info model draft incorporating the required changes to GPID. The motivat= ions behind our opinion can be better understood reading the other comments= . >=20 > 2: A new field: > draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 says: > - TSG: Tributary Slot Granularity (2bit): Used for the > advertisement of the supported Tributary Slot granularity > [ALU] In the INFO we have explained the need also for TSG in routing (fol= lowing conclusion of mailing list discussion) and the routing draft simply = proposes a possible encoding of the information. > This solution, for the sake of truth, can be getting better, taking into = account the AutoPayloadtype flag information. This information is a typical= MI information , described in in G.798, and it simply tells us whether Fal= lback procedure is enabled or not.=20 > Since this information is typically configured by the manager we do not t= hink it has to be considered directly in the control plane (neither signale= d or advertised ). However we have to take into account the fact that > auto-payload type set to off generates interfaces that can support 1.25 T= SG only.=20 >=20 > This fact can be incorporated in routing by adding a new meaning in the t= wo bits encodings: >=20 > - 00 - 1.25 Gbps (AutoPayloadtype off) >=20 > - 01 - 1.25 Gbps (AutoPayloadType on) >=20 > - 10 - 2.5 Gbps=20 >=20 > - 11 - Reserved >=20 >=20 > 3: Implicitly: > draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 doesn't explicitly > signal TSG, but rather has it implied in the new ODU label. >=20 > [ALU] There is nothing implicitly. The reality is that at the moment sign= aling draft does not address the problem . What you consider as "implicitly= deduced" is in fact the TSG granularity with which the client is mapped in= the server ODUk/OTUK or FA/H-LSP. What has to be clarified is that what we= need to signal is an adaptation information regarding what the server can = expose to the client regarding TS granularity capability.=20 > TS size is an attribute of the adaptation used to put an ODUj into an ODU= k. > What you consider as implicit is just how ODUj is mapped into ODUk, but t= he problem is to signal ODUk with the correct adaptation attribute. >=20 > Some other alternatives include: >=20 > 4: GMPLS Encoding > Currently used to indicate G.709 (which is also what the Switch > cap essentially indicates) An alternative would use: > 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 2.5G)[RFC4328] > TBA (e.g., 15) G.709 ODUk (Digital Path, 1.25G) >=20 > In routing, 15 would imply support for both 1.25 and 2.5G, as > support for both by 1.25 capable interfaces is required by > [G.709-v3]. (At least as I understand it.) >=20 > [ALU] Encoding field should define the nature of the LSP : RFC 4328 defin= ed two OTN new values G.709 ODUk (Digital Path) and G.709 Optical Channel. = We do not see any reason to link encoding with information that would need = to choose interfaces (as TSG) since the "nature " of LSP does not change de= pendently of the usage of 1.25 or 2.5 ODUk tributary slot. >=20 > 5: Signal Type > Carried in routing ISCD/SCSI and signaling traffic parameters. > Could enumerate all ODUx types to indicate either 1.25G or 2.5G. > Existing types indicate 2.5G, new types would need to be enumerated > for the new 1.25 and 2.5 types. Hereto, the 1.25 types would imply > support for both 1.25 and 2.5 types in routing. >=20 > [ALU] During the discussion in July the usage of Signal Type was one of t= he first possibilities analyzed. We definitely leave out signal type for th= e reason above regarding adaptation information. > TS granularity is an information that server LSP has to expose to client = LSP. What is related to the client is conveyed in the G-PID not in the Sign= al Type .=20 > There are no different Signal Type for the same ODU in OTN: e.g. ODU2 it = is the same , what can change is the adaptation attribute towards client (e= .g. 1.25 or 2.5 TSG for ODU1 client).=20 >=20 > As I understand it, TSG is needed at: > (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper > adaptation. > (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper > interface/H-LSP selection. > (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >=20 > [ALU] Item (c) is not correct. Intermediate nodes do not need to demultip= lex client, you can have ODU0 LSPs , that surely need to have 1,25 interfac= es in the end points but using 2.5 TSG in the middle of the network since t= hey have tunneled on 2.5 structured containers.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It seems to me that we have enough existing fields in GMPLS (for G.709) > that we should consider these before introducing new ones. Of the > existing fields, we have 1, 4 and 5.: >=20 > Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client > adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports > need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate TSG. >=20 > [ALU] G-PID is the correct place : > 1) It contains information related to client of an LSP that is exactly w= hat we need. > 2) As reported in RFC 3471 " This is used by the nodes at the endpoints o= f the LSP, and in some cases by the penultimate hop." We are exactly in the= se "some cases" >=20 > Option 4, Encoding, is used to support (a) and (b)-type checks in > GMPLS, but not (c). So, while this field is definitely a better > place than G-PID to indicate TSG, it doesn't satisfy all the needs. >=20 > Option 5, Signal Type, is used to support all needs. >=20 > [ALU] Already commented why not the right places. >=20 > Given all this, I'd like to propose that we use Option 5, Signal Type, > to indicate TSG, and that this be reflected in the relevant WG drafts. > (Authors, let me know if you'd like specific text proposals.) >=20 > Comments? >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou (as WG contributor) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Thu Sep 29 02:05:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93BB21F8DAE for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:05:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.839 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.839 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.305, BAYES_00=-2.599, FRT_LOLITA1=1.865, J_CHICKENPOX_36=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_37=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x1Ou1IotfkBd for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0BD21F8CB5 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8T97ocX004575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:07:50 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (demuexc022.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8T97ku2001412; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:07:50 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:07:44 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:07:40 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: A<7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E09A@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 Thread-Index: AQHMfGU421ASISnyGEauN0YmoQNTfpVjNyIggADVR7A= References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17181669D3@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> A<7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E09A@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Leeyoung" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2011 09:07:44.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[401144A0:01CC7E87] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:05:39 -0000 Hi Young,=20 For point 1,4,5,7 its ok. I updated the title BTW=20 I clarified some points inline.=20 Best Regards Cyril > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:47 PM > To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > Hi Cyril, >=20 > Thanks for your review and suggestions. It looks like there are two > issues pending: Point #2 and #3. > We can close the rest of the points you raised with the action > specified in-line. Please let me know otherwise. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Young >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) [mailto:cyril.margaria@nsn.com] > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:59 AM > To: Leeyoung; ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 >=20 > Hi, > I have the following comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 > after it being updated and in light of the WG discussions: > 2) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field: > RB Identifier: as stated in section "3. Resources, Blocks, Sets, and > the > Resource Pool", Resources and Resource Blocks are related to interface > cards. >=20 > GMPLS implementations are using 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs to > identify GMPLS links and also the corresponding physical resources. > OEO devices and, in the context of this document, resource or resource > group can also be identified by 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs. >=20 > From an implementation point of view, having 16-bit resource block IDs > have several drawbacks because of the following points: > a) Mapping exists between physical resource and unnumbered interface > IDs, this mapping is generally known by management system, > introducing a different ID space is not optimal (new mapping > needed); > b) Those OEOs might be used as links in a multi-node model, thus > being > identified by a 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs, introducing another > space is also not optimal. >=20 > Therefore, it would be better if the resource block IDs were 32-bit > interface IDs (to be unique within the node, not because they are > representing links in this document). >=20 > YOUNG>> The only motivation why we used 16 bits for RB ID is to reduce > the space. And I think this is an internal link so it is not the real > interface per se and thus there is no need to keep track of the state > of RB ID like other legitimate interfaces. I don't think there is a > substantial implementation issue here whether we use 16 bits or 32 > bits, but if there is a strong support to use 32 bit ID over 16 bit ID, > I am fine with this. Lou and Deborah, do you have any suggestion on > this issue? Or other implementers? CYRIL>> The most bothering point of having 16 bit is for management system that needs to learn a new mapping between control plane resources and=20 management plane resource. Having 32 bit ids make this more transparent to=20 management applications.=20 >=20 >=20 > 3) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field Why not define a bit set > action, similar to the label set? >=20 > YOUNG>> Are you referring the Label Set encoding as follows from draft- > ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05.txt >=20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Action| Num Labels | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Base Label | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Additional fields as necessary per action | >=20 >=20 > The current Resource Block Set Field is encoded as follows: >=20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Action |E|C| Reserved | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Identifier 1 | RB Identifier 2 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > : : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Identifier n-1 | RB Identifier n | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 > YOUNG>> Can you be specific about your suggestion? Are you concerned > about label being 32 bit vs RB identifier being 16 bits? --- then this > is basically related to your point #2. CYRIL>> No, this is independent to the length of the RB identifier > If you have other concerns, > please spell them out (e.g., action field (4 bits vs 8 bits), etc..) > The Num Labels field is necessary when we are indicating bit maps > (Action =3D 4), which Is not needed for Resource Block Set; E bit is = not > necessary when we adopt 32 bit RB ID, but C bit is needed to indicate > the connectivity nature of Resource Pool Accessibility. >=20 > YOUNG>> Would the following encoding is what you are envisioning? If > not, please suggest in detail. >=20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Action|C| | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Identifier 1 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > : : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Identifier n | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ My suggestion is to add the following text and format :=20 Action :=20 1 - Reserved 3 - Reserved=09 4 - Bitmap Set When Action is 4 (bitmap set) the format of the Resource block set is the following (with 16 bit ids): 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action =3D 4 |E|C| Reserved | Length = | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | base RB Identifier |Bit Map(Lowest numerical RB Id)| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ : : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Bit Map(Highest numerical RB Id) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Each bit in the bit map represents a particular RB Id with a value of 1/0 indicating whether the RB id is in the set or not. Bit position zero represents the lowest RB Id and corresponds to the base RB identifier, while each succeeding bit position represents the next RB identifier in numerical order.=20 For example=20 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action =3D 4 |E|C| Reserved | Length = | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | base RB Identifier =3D10 = |1|0|1|1|0|0|0|0|1|0|1|1|0|1|0|1| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Correspond to the following set of RB ids: 10,12,13,18,20,21,23,25,30 With 32 bits ids :=20 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action =3D 4 |E|C| Reserved | Length = | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | base RB Identifier | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Bit Map Word #1 (Lowest numerical RB Id) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ : : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Bit Map Word #N(Highest numerical RB Id) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ The previous example will be :=20 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action =3D 4 |E|C| Reserved | Length = | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | base RB Identifier =3D10 = | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |1|0|1|1|0|0|0|0|1|0|1|1|0|1|0|1|0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ General constraints encoding introduce a bitmap set for a set of IDs=20 for efficiency, this can apply to each encoding representing a set of ids where you can define a group/calculate ID =3D baseID + n. =20 >=20 >=20 > 6) section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV >=20 > Having an Input Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of > modulation formats (with an input-output bit) and an Output Modulation > Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of modulation formats (with an > input-output bit) seems redundant because the bit I already indicates > if > it is an output or input modulation format. >=20 > Having a single Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV is providing the same > information with an efficient encoding, a single sub-sub-TLV type > should > be used. >=20 > Same reasoning apply to the FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV. >=20 > YOUNG>> I guess what you are suggesting is as follows: >=20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Set Field | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |I|E| Reserved | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Modulation Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Input Client Signal Type Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Input Bit Rate Range List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Processing Capabilities List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 >=20 > YOUNG>> If that's what you suggested, that is fine with me. If that is > that case, I will revise with this figure in the revision. (Closure) This is what I mean, the logic of "if no egress FEC/Modulation is present,=20 this is implicitly the same as the ingress FEC/Modulation". =20 This proposal do not change the format of the FEC and Modulation. From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Thu Sep 29 02:33:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC2621F8CF6 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:33:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.358, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3oLTdrfLfh38 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDA821F8CF5 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8T9aNxX022758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:36:23 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (demuexc022.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8T9aLPo018198; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:36:23 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:36:22 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CC7E8B.3D81107B" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:36:16 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?gb2312?B?ILTwuLQ6ICC08Li0OiBbQ0NBTVBdIEktRCBBY3Rpb246IGRyYWZ0LQ==?= =?gb2312?B?aWV0Zi1jY2FtcC1nbXBscy1nZW5lcmFsLWNvbnN0cmFpbnRzLW9zcA==?= =?gb2312?B?Zi10ZS0wMi50eHQ=?= Thread-Index: AQHMeQhw4fH7IgNgHEuaM0yhaE8MRpVfUxoggAGhYTmAAAbksIABGMsGgAIOXpA= References: <20110922090626.6373.58763.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> A A From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Zhangfatai" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2011 09:36:22.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FBFCC70:01CC7E8B] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogILTwuLQ6ICBJLUQgQWN0aW9uOiBkcmFmdC1p?= =?gb2312?b?ZXRmLWNjYW1wLWdtcGxzLWdlbmVyYWwtY29uc3RyYWludHMtb3Nw?= =?gb2312?b?Zi10ZS0wMi50eHQ=?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:33:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7E8B.3D81107B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 =20 If I understand correctly, you state that there is not explicit or = implicit relationship between the ISCD and label sub-TLV, correct? I would expect a new generic draft to be applicable to all already = defined label format, so it seems missing in the document. =20 Could you consider my last point regarding the example of switching = restriction in G.709 v2 and DWDM context, it would be helpful=20 to have some statement even though it will not be in the document. =20 Best Regards. =20 =20 From: ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:30 AM To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt =20 Hi Cyril, =20 I agree on your first suggestion. =20 Secondly, this draft is generic, when it needs to advertise label = information for some specific tech (e.g., TDM), the document about = specific tech can refer to this draft and should define how to correlate = the ISCDs and label sub-TLVs if there is no explicit or implicit = relationship between them (I think there are lots of potential solutions = to handle that, it is quite tech specific stuff).=20 =20 =20 Fatai =20 Thanks =20 =20 ________________________________ =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com] =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C227=C8=D5 17:38 =B5=BD: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt Hi,=20 =20 Thanks for the answer,=20 =20 Please see inline =20 =20 From: ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:17 AM To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt =20 Hi Cyril, Thanks for your commets. Please see in-line below. Fatai Thanks ________________________________________ =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com] =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C226=C8=D5 16:03 =B5=BD: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt Hi, I have the following comments/question regarding this revision 3.2. Available Labels: The text state : =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV may occur at most = once within the link TLV.=A1=B1 How to encode different label format in that case? I think the label = format would depend on the ISCD, and as we might have several ISCD, having several Available = Label sub-TLV make sense. This also apply to 3.3. Shared Backup Labels. [Fatai] This "may" should be "MAY" according to Lou's suggestion, so it = does not prevent you to have several available label sub-TLVs.=20 [Cyril] Stating =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV MAY occur more = than once within the link TLV.=A1=B1 Would be more accurate and easier = to understand. =20 In case of several ISCD are present for a given advertisement how to = interpret the label format in the label-related sub-TLVs? [Fatai] It is easy to achive that. e.g, in SDH network, a node can = advertise several ISCDs with one or multiple label sub-TLVs (I assume = "IF" label information is needed to be advertised here), why it cannot = interpret the labels are SDH labels? [Cyril] If there is 2 ISCD sub-TLV and 2 available label sub-TLV, how = to tell which available label sub-TLV relate to which ISCD sub-TLV? =20 Could you clarify this point, it would be useful for instance to = consider the example of a link supporting SDH (no VC4-switching), ODU (G.709, as of RFC4328, and for the current G.709 = v3 label format). =20 [Fatai] Do you mean to have an example on hybrid node? I will not use a = complex example to explain a kind of simple thing (It will confuse = people).=20 [Cyril] It may not be so simple, I have trouble to interpret label = without knowing the ISCD considered and I do not see clearly the = relation between the two in the document. The text is very focused on WSON, while it is a very interesting = example, having other technology (OTN for example would help to show that the solution is generic. [Fatai] I think one typical example is sufficient for people to = understand things. TDM network is different from WSON network. In TDM = network, usually it will not advertise label information even though = label information could be advertised. [Cyril] They are indeed different, but from label point of view it = should not make a difference. A usual use case of connectivity matrix = would be for example on client cards with switching restriction : fixed = Multiplex and label assignment due to the fixed MUX (ODU2->ODU1 for = instance) on DWDM node : the restriction can be modeled as one connectivity matrix per client = port, the client port have then ISCD TDM,=20 the other ports can do DWDM and TDM,=20 for the connectivity matrix corresponding to a client port the = only ODU label to be assigned (due to fixed MUX) is specified=20 =20 First, is this modeling correct?=20 Second, how to make sure the label restriction are to be interpreted as = ODU labels? =20 I think it is also important to show that the extensions are also = working outside the framework they were born (WSON). =20 BR Best Regards, Cyril > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Zhangfatai > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:17 AM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Hi CCAMPers, > > A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the WG > discussion. > > We accepted Acee and Young's suggestion to introduce a new top-level > node TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new > section (Section 5) was added to describe scalability issue. > > More information from: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls- > general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Please check out for details and comments are always welcome. > > > Thanks > > Fatai > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:06 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element > Constraints > Author(s) : Fatai Zhang > Young Lee > Jianrui Han > Greg Bernstein > Yunbin Xu > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints- > ospf-te-02.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2011-09-22 > > Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a > wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., > MPLS), > time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and > spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or > fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links = may > impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch > connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range > limitations > on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions > to > support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized > MPLS (GMPLS). > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7E8B.3D81107B Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

If I understand correctly, you state that there is not explicit or = implicit relationship between the ISCD and label sub-TLV, = correct?

I would expect a new generic draft to be applicable to all already = defined label format, so  it seems missing in the = document.

 

Could you consider my last point regarding the example of switching = restriction in G.709 v2 and DWDM context, it would be helpful =

 to have some statement even though it will not be in the = document.

 

Best Regards.

 

 

From:= = ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:30 AM
To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN = - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org
Subject:
=B4=F0=B8=B4: = =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] = I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

 

= Hi Cyril,

=  

= I agree on your first suggestion.

=  

= Secondly, this draft is generic, when it needs to advertise label = information for some specific tech (e.g., TDM), the document = about specific tech can refer to this draft and should = define how to correlate the ISCDs and label sub-TLVs if there is = no explicit or implicit relationship between them (I = think there are lots of potential solutions to handle that, it is quite = tech specific stuff).

=  

=  

= Fatai

=  

= Thanks

=  

=  


=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= := Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4= := 2011=C4=EA= 9=D4=C2= 27=C8=D5= 17:38
=B5=BD= := Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2= := RE: =B4=F0=B8=B4= : [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,

 

Thanks for the answer,

 

Please see inline

 

 

= From:= ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = September 27, 2011 11:17 AM
To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - = DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org
Subject:
=B4=F0=B8=B4= : [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

 

= Hi Cyril,

Thanks for your commets.

Please see in-line = below.


Fatai

Thanks



____________________= ____________________
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4= : 2011=C4=EA= 9=D4=C2= 26=C8=D5= 16:03
=B5=BD= : Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2= : RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,
<= br>I have the following comments/question regarding this = revision

3.2. Available Labels:

The text state : =A1=B0The = Available Labels sub-TLV   may occur at most once within the = link TLV.=A1=B1

How to encode different label format in that = case? I think the label format would depend
on the ISCD, and as we = might have several ISCD, having several Available Label sub-TLV make = sense.
This also apply to 3.3. Shared Backup = Labels.

[= Fatai] This "may" should be "MAY" according to Lou's = suggestion, so it does not prevent you to have several available label = sub-TLVs.

[Cyril] Stating =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV   MAY =  occur more than once within the link TLV.=A1=B1  Would be = more accurate and easier to understand.

 

=
In case of several ISCD are present for a given advertisement how to = interpret the label format in the
label-related sub-TLVs?

=
[= Fatai] It is easy to achive that. e.g, in SDH network, a node can = advertise several ISCDs with one or multiple label sub-TLVs (I = assume "IF" label information is needed to be advertised = here), why it cannot interpret the labels are SDH labels?

[Cyril]  If there is 2 ISCD sub-TLV and 2 available label = sub-TLV, how to tell which available label sub-TLV relate to which ISCD = sub-TLV?

 

=
Could you clarify this point, it would be useful for instance to = consider the example of a link supporting SDH
(no VC4-switching), ODU = (G.709, as of RFC4328, and for the current G.709 v3 label = format).

 

[= Fatai]  Do you mean to have an example on hybrid node? I will = not use a complex example to explain a kind of = simple thing (It will confuse people).

[Cyril] It may not be so simple, I have trouble to interpret label = without knowing the ISCD considered and I do not see clearly the = relation between the two in the document.

=
The text is very focused on WSON, while it is a very interesting = example, having other technology (OTN for
example would help to show = that the solution is generic.

[= Fatai] I think one typical example is sufficient for people to = understand things. TDM network is different from WSON network. In = TDM network, usually it will not advertise label information even though = label information could be advertised.

[Cyril] They are indeed different, but from label point of view it = should not make a difference. A usual use case of connectivity matrix = would be for example on client cards with switching restriction : fixed = Multiplex and label assignment due to the fixed MUX (ODU2->ODU1 for = instance)  on DWDM node :

the restriction can be modeled as one connectivity matrix per client = port,

        the client port have then = ISCD TDM,

        the other ports can do = DWDM and TDM,

        for the connectivity = matrix corresponding to a client port the only ODU label to be assigned = (due to fixed MUX) is specified

 

First, is this modeling correct?

Second, how to make sure the label restriction are to be interpreted = as ODU labels?

 

I think it is also important to show that the extensions are also = working outside the framework they were born (WSON).

 

BR

=

Best Regards,
Cyril

> -----Original = Message-----
> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of ext = Zhangfatai
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:17 AM
> = To: ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
> = constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Hi CCAMPers,
>
> = A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the = WG
> discussion.
>
> We accepted Acee and Young's = suggestion to introduce a new top-level
> node TLV (Generic Node = Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new
> section (Section 5) = was added to describe scalability issue.
>
> More = information from: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-
> = general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Please check out for = details and comments are always welcome.
>
>
> = Thanks
>
> Fatai
>
>
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of = internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 2011
=C4=EA= 9=D4=C2= 22=C8=D5= 17:06
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Cc: = ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
> = constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> A New Internet-Draft is = available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories. This = draft is a work item of the Common Control and
> Measurement Plane = Working Group of the = IETF.
>
>       = Title           : = OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element
> = Constraints
>       = Author(s)       : Fatai = Zhang
>          =             &= nbsp;    Young = Lee
>          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    Jianrui = Han
>          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    Greg = Bernstein
>         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;     Yunbin = Xu
>       = Filename        : = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-
> = ospf-te-02.txt
>       = Pages           : = 14
>       = Date            : = 2011-09-22
>
>    Generalized Multiprotocol = Label Switching can be used to control a
>    wide = variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g.,
> = MPLS),
>    time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), = wavelength (lambdas), and
>    spatial switching = (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port = or
>    fiber). In some of these technologies = network elements and links may
>    impose = additional routing constraints such as asymmetric = switch
>    connectivity, non-local label = assignment, and label range
> = limitations
>    on links. This document describes = OSPF routing protocol extensions
> to
>    = support these kinds of constraints under the control of = Generalized
>    MPLS = (GMPLS).
>
>
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft = is:
> = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
&g= t; constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Internet-Drafts are also = available by anonymous FTP at:
> = ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
> This Internet-Draft = can be retrieved at:
> = ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
>= ; constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
> = _______________________________________________
> CCAMP mailing = list
> CCAMP@ietf.org
> = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp
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------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7E8B.3D81107B-- From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Thu Sep 29 02:46:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFDC21F86F6 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:46:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.157 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.157 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.442, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5rTSQMvfZy3h for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DAA21F84DA for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8T9nSdb026807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:49:29 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC048.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.94]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8T9nN21024352; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:49:28 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by DEMUEXC048.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:49:27 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:49:26 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17181669D3@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Thread-Index: AQHMbzaIDI6/KZa+pUuuGsK1nP8d9ZVFjvuQgB6rF2A= References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17181669D3@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Leeyoung" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2011 09:49:27.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[13DA64B0:01CC7E8D] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:46:59 -0000 Hi,=20 I have the following comments/question regarding the document draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12: 1) Section 5: The paragraph "A resource block may contain one or more resources. As resource blocks are the smallest identifiable unit of processing resource, one can group together resources into blocks if they have similar characteristics relevant to the optical system being modeled, e.g., processing properties, accessibility, etc." It's a bit confusing to me, from the previous paragraph I understand that a resource can be :=20 - One regenerator - One wavelength converter - One OEO In summary one resource can process one signal/Label. >From this I would understand that the resource (not the resource group) is=20 the smallest identifiable unit of signal processing and in the information model=20 we do only need to address the resource block because all resources within that group=20 are equivalent. In that case the following change would be maybe more understandable "A resource block may contain one or more resources. As resources are the smallest identifiable unit of signal processing, one can group together resources into blocks if they have similar characteristics relevant to the optical system being modeled, e.g., processing properties, accessibility, etc. For routing the information model identifies the resource block because all resources in the resource block are equivalent. " 2) Section 5.2. Change the definitions as follow (according to the encoding): ::=3D ([] [] )* ::=3D [] [] [] [] :=3D [] [] ::=3D [] [][][] 3) 5.3.6. Processing Capability List As previous comment :=20 ::=3D [] [][][] 4) 5.3.6. Processing Capability List=09 The document state :=20 "The processing capability list sub-TLV is a list of processing functions that the WSON network element (NE) can perform on the signal including:" I think this is mixing signal processing capabilities and resource block configuration, The following text would be more accurate: "The processing capability list contain the list of processing capabilities that the identified resources can perform on the signal and the number of those resources" As the list contains the capabilities of the resources and their maximum number. Maybe a statement why the maximum number of resource is considered in the capabilities rather than the state would help clarify. 5) Section 5.3.1. Shared Input or Output Indication: Indentation is not correct 6) Section 5.3.1. Shared Input or Output Indication: The following text could be added : "This is similar to the Link Label Exclusivity restriction" 7) Section 6.6. Port Label (Wavelength) Restrictions The Label are not only applicable to Wavelength label, removing the Wavelength from the title section would make this more clear. The section mention only wavelengths but is generally applicable (For instance in OTN with fixed multiplex structure), wavelength should always be in parenthesis. >From the information model it is implicit that label restriction coming from the connectivity matrix are reflected on all the links connected to this matrix. Making this explicit would help the document to be more clear. Another possibility would be to add this information to the connectivity matrix encoding itself, as it is static. > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Leeyoung > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:30 PM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > Hi, >=20 > This update (version 12) includes the following: >=20 > (i) Replaced all instances of "ingress" with "input" and all instances > of "egress" with "output". > (ii) Added clarifying text on relationship between resource block model > and physical entities such as line cards. >=20 > This draft is now very mature and incorporated all the comments raised > in the mailing list and the last meetings. >=20 > Thanks, > Young >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:20 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information > Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks > Author(s) : Young Lee > Greg M. Bernstein > Dan Li > Wataru Imajuku > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2011-09-09 >=20 > This document provides a model of information needed by the routing > and wavelength assignment (RWA) process in wavelength switched > optical networks (WSONs). The purpose of the information described > in this model is to facilitate constrained lightpath computation in > WSONs. This model takes into account compatibility constraints > between WSON signal attributes and network elements but does not > include constraints due to optical impairments. Aspects of this > information that may be of use to other technologies utilizing a > GMPLS control plane are discussed. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Thu Sep 29 02:53:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DEA21F8CDC for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:53:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.176 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.176 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.423, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vx4Eg+c9wKCA for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A6D21F8CD7 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8T9tjbH011627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:55:45 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC048.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.94]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8T9tdVx023054; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:55:45 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by DEMUEXC048.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:55:43 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:55:42 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt Thread-Index: AQHMfGU421ASISnyGEauN0YmoQNTfpVjNyIggADAUzCAACopAA== References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17181669D3@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E09A@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" , "Leeyoung" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2011 09:55:43.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[F42D74D0:01CC7E8D] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:53:02 -0000 Hi Young, Pierre=20 Please see inline,=20 BR, Cyril >=20 > 6) section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV >=20 > Having an Input Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of > modulation formats (with an input-output bit) and an Output Modulation > Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of modulation formats (with an > input-output bit) seems redundant because the bit I already indicates > if it is an output or input modulation format. >=20 > Having a single Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV is providing the same > information with an efficient encoding, a single sub-sub-TLV type > should be used. >=20 > Same reasoning apply to the FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV. >=20 > YOUNG>> I guess what you are suggesting is as follows: >=20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Set Field | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |I|E| Reserved | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Modulation Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Input Client Signal Type Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Input Bit Rate Range List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Processing Capabilities List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 >=20 > YOUNG>> If that's what you suggested, that is fine with me. If that is > YOUNG>> that case, I will revise with this figure in the revision. > YOUNG>> (Closure) >=20 > PIERRE>> Actually Young, I take the modification proposed is slightly > diffrent it is more to have an I and E bits directly inside each of the > Modulation Type and each of the FEC type field. > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |S|I|E| Modulation ID | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 > I bit set to 1 states that the modulation is valid as ingress E bit set > to 1 states that the modulation is valid as egress >=20 > The same for the FEC type list. > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |S|I|E| FEC ID | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 Cyril>> As stated in the other response, this proposal of having a bit for Ingress and Egress is another proposal, also interesting but it checked against the signaling document.=20 It possible to keep the FEC and Modulation Type as existing and use well=20 defined processing rules=20 =20 BR From zhangfatai@huawei.com Thu Sep 29 03:18:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AD321F8C8A for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:18:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.708 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.708 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.158, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) 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Hi Cyril,

 

Usually, one TE link advertisement (with serveral ISCDs and multiple lab= el sub-TLVs) has the same Switching Capability, so there is implicit relati= onship between the ISCDs and label sub-TLVs.

 

I would like to consider your last point when I udpate this draft i= n the next version.

 

But I have a question on your example, do you see that there is a line p= ort (or interface) can support both DWDM and TDM in the world? I think= if a line port can support DWDM, the WSON TE link (with WSON related label= (wavelength) information) should be advertised for this line port; if a line port can support TDM, then the TD= M TE link (e.g., ODU) for this line port should be advertised. Even th= ough there was one port could support both DWDM and TDM, I think usual= ly it should advertise these two types of capability separately, ie., use seperate TE link advertisements. so, I thi= nk there is implicit relationship between the ISCDs and label sub-TLVs.

 

Even though I think we should not use a kind of special and complex=  example to explain something, I will bear your example in my min= d when I update the draft (as I said in the second sentence above).

 

Thanks

 

Fatai

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN -= DE/Munich) [cyril.margaria@nsn.com]
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Hi,

 

If I understand correctly, you state that = there is not explicit or implicit relationship between the ISCD and label s= ub-TLV, correct?

I would expect a new generic draft to be a= pplicable to all already defined label format, so  it seems missing in= the document.

 

Could you consider my last point regarding= the example of switching restriction in G.709 v2 and DWDM context, it woul= d be helpful

 to have some statement even though i= t will not be in the document.

 

Best Regards.

 

 

From: ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:30 AM
To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org
Subject:
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Hi Cyril,

 

I agree on your first suggestion.

 

Secondly, this draft is generic, when it needs to advertise = label information for some specific tech (e.g., TDM), the document about&nb= sp;specific tech can refer to this draft and should define how to correlate the ISCDs and label sub-TLVs if there is no=  explicit or implicit relationship between them (I thin= k there are lots of potential solutions to handle that, it is quite tech sp= ecific stuff).

 

 

Fatai

 

Thanks

 

 


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=D6= =F7=CC=E2: RE: =B4=F0= =B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-co= nstraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,

 

Thanks for the answer,

 

Please see inline

 

 

From: ext Zhangfatai [ma= ilto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:17 AM
To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org
Subject:
=B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp= -gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt 

Hi Cyril,

Thanks for your commets.

Please see in-line below.


Fatai

Thanks



________________________________________
=B7=A2= =BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) [cyril.margar= ia@nsn.com]
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C226<= span style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"ZH-CN">=C8=D5 16:03
=B5=BD<= /span>: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7= =CC=E2: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-genera= l-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,

I have the following comments/question regarding this revision

3.2. Available Labels:

The text state : =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV   may occur a= t most once within the link TLV.=A1=B1

How to encode different label format in that case? I think the label format= would depend
on the ISCD, and as we might have several ISCD, having several Available La= bel sub-TLV make sense.
This also apply to 3.3. Shared Backup Labels.

[Fatai] This "may" should be "MAY" accordi= ng to Lou's suggestion, so it does not prevent you to have several availabl= e label sub-TLVs.

[Cyril] Stating =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV  = MAY  occur more than once within the link TLV.=A1=B1  Would be m= ore accurate and easier to understand.

 


In case of several ISCD are present for a given advertisement how to interp= ret the label format in the
label-related sub-TLVs?


[Fatai] It is easy to achive that. e.g, in SDH network, a= node can advertise several ISCDs with one or multiple label sub-TLVs = (I assume "IF" label information is needed to be advertised here), why it cannot interpret the labels are SDH labels?

[Cyril]  If there is 2 ISCD sub-TLV and 2 available label = sub-TLV, how to tell which available label sub-TLV relate to which ISCD sub= -TLV?

 


Could you clarify this point, it would be useful for instance to consider t= he example of a link supporting SDH
(no VC4-switching), ODU (G.709, as of RFC4328, and for the current G.709 v3= label format).

 

[Fatai]  Do you mean to have an example on hybrid node? I wil= l not use a complex example to explain a kind of simple= thing (It will confuse people).

[Cyril] It may not be so simple, I have trouble to interpret l= abel without knowing the ISCD considered and I do not see clearly the relat= ion between the two in the document.


The text is very focused on WSON, while it is a very interesting example, h= aving other technology (OTN for
example would help to show that the solution is generic.

[Fatai] I think one typical example is sufficient for people to un= derstand things. TDM network is different from WSON network. In TDM ne= twork, usually it will not advertise label information even though label information could be advertised.

[Cyril] They are indeed different, but from label point of view= it should not make a difference. A usual use case of connectivity matrix w= ould be for example on client cards with switching restriction : fixed Multiplex and label assignment due to t= he fixed MUX (ODU2->ODU1 for instance)  on DWDM node :

the restric= tion can be modeled as one connectivity matrix per client port,

     &nb= sp;  the client port have then ISCD TDM,

     &nb= sp;  the other ports can do DWDM and TDM,

     &nb= sp;  for the connectivity matrix corresponding to a client port t= he only ODU label to be assigned (due to fixed MUX) is specified

 

First, is this modeling correct?

Second, how to make sure the label restriction are to be inter= preted as ODU labels?

 

I think it is also important to show that the extensions are a= lso working outside the framework they were born (WSON).

 

BR



Best Regards,
Cyril

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> Hi CCAMPers,
>
> A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the WG > discussion.
>
> We accepted Acee and Young's suggestion to introduce a new top-level > node TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new
> section (Section 5) was added to describe scalability issue.
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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>
>       Title     = ;      : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network El= ement
> Constraints
>       Author(s)    &= nbsp;  : Fatai Zhang
>            = ;            &n= bsp;  Young Lee
>            = ;            &n= bsp;  Jianrui Han
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>    Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be use= d to control a
>    wide variety of technologies including packet switch= ing (e.g.,
> MPLS),
>    time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (la= mbdas), and
>    spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to o= utgoing port or
>    fiber). In some of these technologies network elemen= ts and links may
>    impose additional routing constraints such as asymme= tric switch
>    connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label = range
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Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Thu Sep 29 04:02:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EF221F8B20 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.243, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pHMwZIgHMj63 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752BD21F8B34 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8TB5BDX028025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:05:11 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC048.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.94]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8TB5AOx008770; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:05:11 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by DEMUEXC048.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:05:05 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CC7E97.A41D123B" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:05:03 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?gb2312?B?ILTwuLQ6ICC08Li0OiAgtPC4tDogW0NDQU1QXSBJLUQgQWN0aW9uOg==?= =?gb2312?B?IGRyYWZ0LWlldGYtY2NhbXAtZ21wbHMtZ2VuZXJhbC1jb25zdHJhaW50cy0=?= =?gb2312?B?b3NwZi10ZS0wMi50eHQ=?= Thread-Index: AQHMeQhw4fH7IgNgHEuaM0yhaE8MRpVfUxoggAGhYTmAAAbksIABGMsGgAIOXpCAAAelMIAAB0lQ References: <20110922090626.6373.58763.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> A A A From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Zhangfatai" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2011 11:05:05.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[A48EDF90:01CC7E97] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogILTwuLQ6ICC08Li0OiAgSS1EIEFjdGlvbjog?= =?gb2312?b?ZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1jY2FtcC1nbXBscy1nZW5lcmFsLWNvbnN0cmFp?= =?gb2312?b?bnRzLW9zcGYtdGUtMDIudHh0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:02:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7E97.A41D123B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fatai,=20 =20 For my example I took the example from RFC5339 (also following the logic = of RFC4202 section 2.4.6), adjusting the capabilities and extended the = number of ports: =20 Network element ............................. : -------- : TDM : | TDM | : Port1-------------<->---|#a | : Port2-------------<->---|#b | : Port3-------------<->---|#c | : Port4-------------<->---|#d | : : +--<->---|#e | : : | -------- : : | ---------- : DWDM : +--<->--|#f DWDM | : Port5 ------------<->--|#g | : : ---------- : :............................ =20 Figure 1a. Hybrid node. =20 >From ISCD point of view: TE link 1 (Port1): - ISCD sub-TLV: TDM (ODU2)=20 TE link 2 (Port1): - ISCD sub-TLV: TDM (ODU2)=20 =A1=AD TE-Link 5 (port 2) :=20 - ISCD #1 sub-TLV: DWDM=20 - ISCD #2 sub-TLV: TDM, G.709 ODUk (ODU3)=20 =20 The ISCD #2 represent the DWDM-TDM adjustement capability I am leaving out in this thread how to know the OEO capability of port = #f/#e ;-) =20 =20 With the following connectivity matrix (with the following convention : = ({Link Set A#1},{Link set B#1}),({Link Set A#2},{Link set B#2}),=A1=AD =20 Matrix #1 ({Port 1}, {Port 5})=20 Matrix #2 ({Port 2}, {Port 5}) Matrix #3 ({Port 3}, {Port 5}) Matrix #4 ({Port 4}, {Port 5}) =20 TE-Link 5 (port 2) :=20 - ISCD #1 sub-TLV: DWDM=20 - ISCD #2 sub-TLV: TDM, G.709 ODUk (here ODU3, because of the port = #e) - Port Label restriction : Matrix #1, = RestrictionType=3DSIMPLE_LABEL, Label =3D TS :16,12,8,4 (can we be sure = of the interpretation ?) - Port Label restriction : Matrix #2, = RestrictionType=3DSIMPLE_LABEL, Label =3D TS :15,11,7,3 - Port Label restriction : Matrix #3, = RestrictionType=3DSIMPLE_LABEL, Label =3D TS :14,10,6,2 - Port Label restriction : Matrix #3, = RestrictionType=3DSIMPLE_LABEL, Label =3D TS :13,09,5,1 I am not 100% sure that we can always interpret the label as ODU label, = RFC4202 section 2.4.7 on how to interpret the Label on a TE-Link would indicate that if one end support TDM and the = other LSC, the label should represent a lambda,=20 but the case where there is several ISCD is not well described. =20 The draft should detail the rules on which label encoding to use in case = of connectivity matrix in that case. =20 In that example we have fixed MUX ODU3->ODU2 AND each ODU2 is assigned = to an port: the port label restriction is used,=20 Rules for port label restriction should allow to interpret correctly the = label. =20 However on case of Fixes MUX and flexible ODU2 to port assignment one = allowed possibility is the following :=20 Matrix #11 ({Port 1, Port 2, Port 3, Port 4,}, {Port 5}) =20 TE-Link 5 (port 2) :=20 - ISCD #1 sub-TLV: DWDM=20 - ISCD #2 sub-TLV: TDM, G.709 ODUk (ODU3)=20 - Available Labels : ? TS :15,11,7,3 ?, ? TS :14,10,6,2 ?, ? TS = :13,09,5,1 ?, ? TS :16,12,8,4=A1=B1 - Available Labels : channels (DWDM)=20 =20 How to make sure the interpretation is correct, This is an typical case = covered by the generic GMPLS RFCs, so=20 It should be covered in my opinion by the generic extensions. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:19 PM To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt =20 Hi Cyril, =20 Usually, one TE link advertisement (with serveral ISCDs and multiple = label sub-TLVs) has the same Switching Capability, so there is implicit = relationship between the ISCDs and label sub-TLVs. =20 I would like to consider your last point when I udpate this draft in the = next version.=20 =20 But I have a question on your example, do you see that there is a line = port (or interface) can support both DWDM and TDM in the world? I think = if a line port can support DWDM, the WSON TE link (with WSON related = label (wavelength) information) should be advertised for this line port; = if a line port can support TDM, then the TDM TE link (e.g., ODU) for = this line port should be advertised. Even though there was one port = could support both DWDM and TDM, I think usually it should advertise = these two types of capability separately, ie., use seperate TE link = advertisements. so, I think there is implicit relationship between the = ISCDs and label sub-TLVs. =20 Even though I think we should not use a kind of special and complex = example to explain something, I will bear your example in my mind when I = update the draft (as I said in the second sentence above). =20 Thanks =20 Fatai =20 =20 ________________________________ =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com] =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C229=C8=D5 17:36 =B5=BD: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt Hi,=20 =20 If I understand correctly, you state that there is not explicit or = implicit relationship between the ISCD and label sub-TLV, correct? I would expect a new generic draft to be applicable to all already = defined label format, so it seems missing in the document. =20 Could you consider my last point regarding the example of switching = restriction in G.709 v2 and DWDM context, it would be helpful=20 to have some statement even though it will not be in the document. =20 Best Regards. =20 =20 From: ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:30 AM To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt =20 Hi Cyril, =20 I agree on your first suggestion. =20 Secondly, this draft is generic, when it needs to advertise label = information for some specific tech (e.g., TDM), the document about = specific tech can refer to this draft and should define how to correlate = the ISCDs and label sub-TLVs if there is no explicit or implicit = relationship between them (I think there are lots of potential solutions = to handle that, it is quite tech specific stuff).=20 =20 =20 Fatai =20 Thanks =20 =20 ________________________________ =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com] =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C227=C8=D5 17:38 =B5=BD: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt Hi,=20 =20 Thanks for the answer,=20 =20 Please see inline =20 =20 From: ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:17 AM To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt =20 Hi Cyril, Thanks for your commets. Please see in-line below. Fatai Thanks ________________________________________ =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com] =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C226=C8=D5 16:03 =B5=BD: Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt Hi, I have the following comments/question regarding this revision 3.2. Available Labels: The text state : =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV may occur at most = once within the link TLV.=A1=B1 How to encode different label format in that case? I think the label = format would depend on the ISCD, and as we might have several ISCD, having several Available = Label sub-TLV make sense. This also apply to 3.3. Shared Backup Labels. [Fatai] This "may" should be "MAY" according to Lou's suggestion, so it = does not prevent you to have several available label sub-TLVs.=20 [Cyril] Stating =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV MAY occur more = than once within the link TLV.=A1=B1 Would be more accurate and easier = to understand. =20 In case of several ISCD are present for a given advertisement how to = interpret the label format in the label-related sub-TLVs? [Fatai] It is easy to achive that. e.g, in SDH network, a node can = advertise several ISCDs with one or multiple label sub-TLVs (I assume = "IF" label information is needed to be advertised here), why it cannot = interpret the labels are SDH labels? [Cyril] If there is 2 ISCD sub-TLV and 2 available label sub-TLV, how = to tell which available label sub-TLV relate to which ISCD sub-TLV? =20 Could you clarify this point, it would be useful for instance to = consider the example of a link supporting SDH (no VC4-switching), ODU (G.709, as of RFC4328, and for the current G.709 = v3 label format). =20 [Fatai] Do you mean to have an example on hybrid node? I will not use a = complex example to explain a kind of simple thing (It will confuse = people).=20 [Cyril] It may not be so simple, I have trouble to interpret label = without knowing the ISCD considered and I do not see clearly the = relation between the two in the document. The text is very focused on WSON, while it is a very interesting = example, having other technology (OTN for example would help to show that the solution is generic. [Fatai] I think one typical example is sufficient for people to = understand things. TDM network is different from WSON network. In TDM = network, usually it will not advertise label information even though = label information could be advertised. [Cyril] They are indeed different, but from label point of view it = should not make a difference. A usual use case of connectivity matrix = would be for example on client cards with switching restriction : fixed = Multiplex and label assignment due to the fixed MUX (ODU2->ODU1 for = instance) on DWDM node : the restriction can be modeled as one connectivity matrix per client = port, the client port have then ISCD TDM,=20 the other ports can do DWDM and TDM,=20 for the connectivity matrix corresponding to a client port the = only ODU label to be assigned (due to fixed MUX) is specified=20 =20 First, is this modeling correct?=20 Second, how to make sure the label restriction are to be interpreted as = ODU labels? =20 I think it is also important to show that the extensions are also = working outside the framework they were born (WSON). =20 BR Best Regards, Cyril > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Zhangfatai > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:17 AM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Hi CCAMPers, > > A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the WG > discussion. > > We accepted Acee and Young's suggestion to introduce a new top-level > node TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new > section (Section 5) was added to describe scalability issue. > > More information from: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls- > general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Please check out for details and comments are always welcome. > > > Thanks > > Fatai > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 2011=C4=EA9=D4=C222=C8=D5 17:06 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element > Constraints > Author(s) : Fatai Zhang > Young Lee > Jianrui Han > Greg Bernstein > Yunbin Xu > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints- > ospf-te-02.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2011-09-22 > > Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a > wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., > MPLS), > time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and > spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or > fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links = may > impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch > connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range > limitations > on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions > to > support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized > MPLS (GMPLS). > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general- > constraints-ospf-te-02.txt > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7E97.A41D123B Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Fatai,

 

For my example I took the example from RFC5339 (also = following the logic of RFC4202 section 2.4.6), adjusting the = capabilities and extended the number of ports:

 

         = ;            =         Network = element

         = ;            =    .............................

         = ;            =    = :            = --------       :

         = ;     TDM       = :           |  = TDM   |      = :

         = ;   = Port1-------------<->---|#a      = |      :

         = ;   = Port2-------------<->---|#b      = |      :

         = ;   = Port3-------------<->---|#c      = |      :

         = ;   = Port4-------------<->---|#d      = |      :

         = ;            =    :  = +--<->---|#e      = |      :

         = ;            =    :  |         = --------       :

         = ;            =    :  |        = ----------      :

         = ;     DWDM      :  = +--<->--|#f  DWDM  |     = :

         = ;   Port5 = ------------<->--|#g        = |     :

         = ;            =    = :           = ----------      :

         = ;            =    :............................

 

         = ;            =       Figure 1a.  Hybrid = node.

 

From ISCD point of view:

TE link 1 (Port1):

     - ISCD sub-TLV: TDM =  (ODU2)

TE = link 2 (Port1):

     - ISCD sub-TLV: TDM =  (ODU2)

=A1=AD

TE-Link 5 (port 2) :

     - ISCD #1 sub-TLV: = DWDM

     - ISCD #2 sub-TLV: = TDM, G.709 ODUk (ODU3)

 

The ISCD #2 represent the DWDM-TDM adjustement = capability

I am = leaving out in this thread how to know the OEO capability of port #f/#e = ;-)

 

 

With the following connectivity matrix (with the = following convention : ({Link Set A#1},{Link set B#1}),({Link Set = A#2},{Link set B#2}),=A1=AD

 

Matrix #1 ({Port 1}, {Port 5}) =

Matrix #2 ({Port 2}, {Port = 5})

Matrix #3 ({Port 3}, {Port = 5})

Matrix #4 ({Port 4}, {Port = 5})

 

TE-Link 5 (port 2) :

     - ISCD #1 sub-TLV: = DWDM

     - ISCD #2 sub-TLV: = TDM, G.709 ODUk (here ODU3, because of the port = #e)

     - Port Label = restriction : Matrix #1, RestrictionType=3DSIMPLE_LABEL, Label =3D = TS :16,12,8,4 (can we be sure of the = interpretation ?)

     - = Port Label restriction : Matrix #2, RestrictionType=3DSIMPLE_LABEL, = Label =3D TS :15,11,7,3

     - Port Label = restriction : Matrix #3, RestrictionType=3DSIMPLE_LABEL, Label =3D = TS :14,10,6,2

     - Port Label = restriction : Matrix #3, RestrictionType=3DSIMPLE_LABEL, Label =3D = TS :13,09,5,1

I am = not 100% sure that we can always interpret the label as ODU label, = RFC4202 section 2.4.7 on how to interpret the

Label on a TE-Link would indicate that if one end = support TDM and the other LSC, the label should represent a lambda, =

but = the case where there is several ISCD is not well = described.

 

The draft should detail the rules on which label = encoding to use in case of connectivity matrix in that = case.

 

In that example we have fixed MUX ODU3->ODU2 AND = each ODU2 is assigned to an port: the port label restriction is used, =

Rules = for port label restriction should allow to interpret correctly the = label.

 

However on case of Fixes MUX and flexible ODU2 to = port assignment one allowed possibility is the following : =

Matrix #11 ({Port 1, Port 2, Port 3, Port 4,}, {Port = 5})

 

TE-Link 5 (port 2) :

     - ISCD #1 sub-TLV: = DWDM

     - ISCD #2 sub-TLV: = TDM, G.709 ODUk (ODU3)

    - Available =  Labels : « TS :15,11,7,3 », = « TS :14,10,6,2 », « TS := 13,09,5,1 », « TS :16,12,8,4=A1=B1

     - Available =  Labels : channels (DWDM)

 

How to make sure the interpretation is correct, This = is an typical case covered by the generic GMPLS RFCs, so =

 It should  be covered in my opinion by = the generic extensions.

 

 

 

 

 

From:= = ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Thursday, = September 29, 2011 12:19 PM
To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - = DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org
Subject:
=B4=F0=B8=B4: = =B4=F0=B8=B4: = =B4=F0=B8=B4: [CCAMP] = I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

 

= Hi Cyril,

=  

= Usually, one TE link advertisement (with serveral ISCDs and multiple = label sub-TLVs) has the same Switching Capability, so there is implicit = relationship between the ISCDs and label = sub-TLVs.

=  

= I would like to consider your last point when I udpate this draft = in the next version.

=  

= But I have a question on your example, do you see that there is a line = port (or interface) can support both DWDM and TDM in the world? I = think if a line port can support DWDM, the WSON TE link (with WSON = related label (wavelength) information) should be advertised for = this line port; if a line port can support TDM, then the TDM TE link = (e.g., ODU) for this line port should be advertised. Even though = there was one port could support both DWDM and TDM, I think usually = it should advertise these two types of capability separately, ie., use = seperate TE link advertisements. so, I think there is implicit = relationship between the ISCDs and label = sub-TLVs.

=  

= Even though I think we should not use a kind of special and = complex example to explain something, I will bear your example = in my mind when I update the draft (as I said in the second sentence = above).

=  

= Thanks

=  

= Fatai

=  

=  


=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= := Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4= := 2011=C4=EA= 9=D4=C2= 29=C8=D5= 17:36
=B5=BD= := Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2= := RE: =B4=F0=B8=B4= : =B4=F0=B8=B4= : [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,

 

If I understand correctly, you state that there is not explicit or = implicit relationship between the ISCD and label sub-TLV, = correct?

I would expect a new generic draft to be applicable to all already = defined label format, so  it seems missing in the = document.

 

Could you consider my last point regarding the example of switching = restriction in G.709 v2 and DWDM context, it would be helpful =

 to have some statement even though it will not be in the = document.

 

Best Regards.

 

 

= From:= ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:30 AM
To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN = - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org
Subject:
=B4=F0=B8=B4= : =B4=F0=B8=B4= : [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

 

= Hi Cyril,

 

= I agree on your first suggestion.

 

= Secondly, this draft is generic, when it needs to advertise label = information for some specific tech (e.g., TDM), the document = about specific tech can refer to this draft and should = define how to correlate the ISCDs and label sub-TLVs if there is = no explicit or implicit relationship between them (I = think there are lots of potential solutions to handle that, it is quite = tech specific stuff).

 

 

= Fatai

 

= Thanks

 

 


=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= := Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4= := 2011=C4=EA= 9=D4=C2= 27=C8=D5= 17:38
=B5=BD= := Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2= := RE: =B4=F0=B8=B4= : [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,

 

Thanks for the answer,

 

Please see inline

 

 

= From:= ext Zhangfatai [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = September 27, 2011 11:17 AM
To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - = DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org
Subject:
=B4=F0=B8=B4= : [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

 

= Hi Cyril,

Thanks for your commets.

Please see in-line = below.


Fatai

Thanks



____________________= ____________________
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB= : Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) = [cyril.margaria@nsn.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4= : 2011=C4=EA= 9=D4=C2= 26=C8=D5= 16:03
=B5=BD= : Zhangfatai; ccamp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2= : RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt

Hi,
<= br>I have the following comments/question regarding this = revision

3.2. Available Labels:

The text state : =A1=B0The = Available Labels sub-TLV   may occur at most once within the = link TLV.=A1=B1

How to encode different label format in that = case? I think the label format would depend
on the ISCD, and as we = might have several ISCD, having several Available Label sub-TLV make = sense.
This also apply to 3.3. Shared Backup = Labels.

[= Fatai] This "may" should be "MAY" according to Lou's = suggestion, so it does not prevent you to have several available label = sub-TLVs.

[Cyril] Stating =A1=B0The Available Labels sub-TLV   MAY =  occur more than once within the link TLV.=A1=B1  Would be = more accurate and easier to understand.

 

=
In case of several ISCD are present for a given advertisement how to = interpret the label format in the
label-related sub-TLVs?

=
[= Fatai] It is easy to achive that. e.g, in SDH network, a node can = advertise several ISCDs with one or multiple label sub-TLVs (I = assume "IF" label information is needed to be advertised = here), why it cannot interpret the labels are SDH labels?

[Cyril]  If there is 2 ISCD sub-TLV and 2 available label = sub-TLV, how to tell which available label sub-TLV relate to which ISCD = sub-TLV?

 

=
Could you clarify this point, it would be useful for instance to = consider the example of a link supporting SDH
(no VC4-switching), ODU = (G.709, as of RFC4328, and for the current G.709 v3 label = format).

 

[= Fatai]  Do you mean to have an example on hybrid node? I will = not use a complex example to explain a kind of = simple thing (It will confuse people).

[Cyril] It may not be so simple, I have trouble to interpret label = without knowing the ISCD considered and I do not see clearly the = relation between the two in the document.

=
The text is very focused on WSON, while it is a very interesting = example, having other technology (OTN for
example would help to show = that the solution is generic.

[= Fatai] I think one typical example is sufficient for people to = understand things. TDM network is different from WSON network. In = TDM network, usually it will not advertise label information even though = label information could be advertised.

[Cyril] They are indeed different, but from label point of view it = should not make a difference. A usual use case of connectivity matrix = would be for example on client cards with switching restriction : fixed = Multiplex and label assignment due to the fixed MUX (ODU2->ODU1 for = instance)  on DWDM node :

the restriction can be modeled as one connectivity matrix per client = port,

        the client port have then = ISCD TDM,

        the other ports can do = DWDM and TDM,

        for the connectivity = matrix corresponding to a client port the only ODU label to be assigned = (due to fixed MUX) is specified

 

First, is this modeling correct?

Second, how to make sure the label restriction are to be interpreted = as ODU labels?

 

I think it is also important to show that the extensions are also = working outside the framework they were born (WSON).

 

BR

=

Best Regards,
Cyril

> -----Original = Message-----
> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of ext = Zhangfatai
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:17 AM
> = To: ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
> = constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Hi CCAMPers,
>
> = A new version has been submitted to address the comments from the = WG
> discussion.
>
> We accepted Acee and Young's = suggestion to introduce a new top-level
> node TLV (Generic Node = Attribute TLV) to simplify things and a new
> section (Section 5) = was added to describe scalability issue.
>
> More = information from: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-
> = general-constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> Please check out for = details and comments are always welcome.
>
>
> = Thanks
>
> Fatai
>
>
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of = internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: 2011
=C4=EA= 9=D4=C2= 22=C8=D5= 17:06
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Cc: = ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
> = constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
> A New Internet-Draft is = available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories. This = draft is a work item of the Common Control and
> Measurement Plane = Working Group of the = IETF.
>
>       = Title           : = OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element
> = Constraints
>       = Author(s)       : Fatai = Zhang
>          =             &= nbsp;    Young = Lee
>          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    Jianrui = Han
>          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;    Greg = Bernstein
>         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;     Yunbin = Xu
>       = Filename        : = draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-
> = ospf-te-02.txt
>       = Pages           : = 14
>       = Date            : = 2011-09-22
>
>    Generalized Multiprotocol = Label Switching can be used to control a
>    wide = variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g.,
> = MPLS),
>    time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), = wavelength (lambdas), and
>    spatial switching = (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port = or
>    fiber). In some of these technologies = network elements and links may
>    impose = additional routing constraints such as asymmetric = switch
>    connectivity, non-local label = assignment, and label range
> = limitations
>    on links. This document describes = OSPF routing protocol extensions
> to
>    = support these kinds of constraints under the control of = Generalized
>    MPLS = (GMPLS).
>
>
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft = is:
> = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-
&g= t; constraints-ospf-te-02.txt
>
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Regards, Eve -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of L= ou Berger Sent: mercoled=EC 28 settembre 2011 18.32 To: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG docum= ents This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather that further development of the documents will take place based on WG process. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Sep 29 05:05:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7947821F8C5A for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 05:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.530, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id utuVBf9Qh8u7 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 05:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA20121F8C58 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 05:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.63]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8TC78GL020905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:08:15 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.34]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.63]) with mapi; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:07:57 +0200 From: "PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" To: CCAMP Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:07:56 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents Thread-Index: Acx9/DWZGDSP8U/MQJmJSPjZZ6uDlQApCavA Message-ID: References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:05:26 -0000 Support both=20 - p -----Message d'origine----- De : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de L= ou Berger Envoy=E9 : mercredi 28 septembre 2011 18:32 =C0 : CCAMP Objet : [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG docume= nts This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below cc= amp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indica= ting "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you m= ay also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/ob= ject to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the documen= t. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is com= plete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather = that further development of the documents will take place based on WG proce= ss. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Thu Sep 29 05:31:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1DC21F8CE5 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 05:31:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.084 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.084 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.515, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PGliJc0uOa7A for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 05:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE6621F8CE4 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8TCYL9M028534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:34:21 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (demuexc022.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8TCYK6b031177; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:34:21 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:34:12 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:34:10 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WGdocuments Thread-Index: Acx9/DJJVs7VcE26SYyMXYx2JVEwpAAp9/YA References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Lou Berger" , "CCAMP" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2011 12:34:12.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[17740EC0:01CC7EA4] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WGdocuments X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:31:33 -0000 Support both > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:32 PM > To: CCAMP > Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts > WGdocuments >=20 > This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed > below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing > list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". > Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume > that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) >=20 > If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the > document. >=20 > The documents being polled are: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 >=20 > The poll ends Wednesday October 12. >=20 > Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is > complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but > rather that further development of the documents will take place based > on WG process. >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From dieter.beller@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Sep 29 06:29:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB3C21F8C7C for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:29:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.791 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Do1nN9MHdOe for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D039C21F8C44 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8TDWNBU029303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:32:26 +0200 Received: from [149.204.106.170] (135.120.57.7) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (135.120.45.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.137.0; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4E847366.1000303@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:32:22 +0200 From: Dieter Beller Organization: Alcatel-Lucent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lou Berger , CCAMP References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------000802030006080508070608" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:29:42 -0000 --------------000802030006080508070608 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes to both


Thanks,
Dieter

On 28.09.2011 18:32, Lou Berger wrote:
This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below
ccamp working group documents.  Please send a mail to the mailing list
indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either".  Of
course, you may also support one but not the other.  (We will assume
that you support/object to both if you don't specify.)

If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the
document.

The documents being polled are:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09

The poll ends Wednesday October 12.

Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is
complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but
rather that further development of the documents will take place based
on WG process.

Much thanks,
Lou (and Deborah)
_______________________________________________
CCAMP mailing list
CCAMP@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp

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localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7FKmEXdHiLIx for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx5.zte.com.cn [63.217.80.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B7521F8E19 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.17.99] by mx5.zte.com.cn with surfront esmtp id 41713473195744; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:12:34 +0800 (CST) Received: from [10.30.3.21] by [192.168.168.15] with StormMail ESMTP id 75544.984958751; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:14:01 +0800 (CST) Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse02.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id p8TFDs45023792; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:13:54 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from Malcolm.BETTS@zte.com.cn) In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> To: Lou Berger MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: C306BB6C:B6A1A037-8525791A:00539C68; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.5.1 September 28, 2009 Message-ID: From: Malcolm.BETTS@zte.com.cn Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:13:33 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.1FP4|July 25, 2010) at 2011-09-29 23:13:58, Serialize complete at 2011-09-29 23:13:58 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0053AC9C8525791A_=" X-MAIL: mse02.zte.com.cn p8TFDs45023792 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:11:14 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0053AC9C8525791A_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yes, support both. Regards, Malcolm Lou Berger Sent by: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org 28/09/2011 12:32 PM To CCAMP cc Subject [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather that further development of the documents will take place based on WG process. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --=_alternative 0053AC9C8525791A_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Yes, support both.

Regards,

Malcolm



Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
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28/09/2011 12:32 PM

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[CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG        documents





This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below
ccamp working group documents.  Please send a mail to the mailing list
indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either".  Of
course, you may also support one but not the other.  (We will assume
that you support/object to both if you don't specify.)

If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the
document.

The documents being polled are:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09

The poll ends Wednesday October 12.

Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is
complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but
rather that further development of the documents will take place based
on WG process.

Much thanks,
Lou (and Deborah)
_______________________________________________
CCAMP mailing list
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--=_alternative 0053AC9C8525791A_=-- From leeyoung@huawei.com Thu Sep 29 08:16:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E5C21F8D94 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nYPF4ZwXKVYw for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga04-in.huawei.com (usaga04-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE1021F8D70 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga04-in [172.18.4.101]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LSA00AYNIFYRX@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:16:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.18.4.104]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LSA00KU9IFX11@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:16:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:16:46 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:16:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:16:37 +0000 From: Leeyoung In-reply-to: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> X-Originating-IP: [10.47.131.9] To: Lou Berger , CCAMP Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E21A@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: en-US Thread-topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents Thread-index: AQHMffzqJFSDykXTbU+9Wa1Hisj6R5VkeYVA X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:16:05 -0000 Support both. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:32 AM To: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather that further development of the documents will take place based on WG process. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From kam.lam@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Sep 29 08:55:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD6221F8E4A for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:55:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.322, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jUOcDA-oYkxc for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [135.245.0.35]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7D421F8CAB for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.11]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id p8TFvsL0017042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:57:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from USNAVSXCHHUB01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsxchhub01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.110]) by usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id p8TFvrCX009487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:57:54 -0500 Received: from USNAVSXCHMBSA2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.124]) by USNAVSXCHHUB01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.110]) with mapi; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:57:53 -0500 From: "Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam)" To: Lou Berger , CCAMP Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:56:32 -0500 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents Thread-Index: Acx9/DSDg1+VqGM3QmeUu+nDq/cmqAAwRfDw Message-ID: <7F76AEFB05C38145BABA0D545E3CFFD58007D949@USNAVSXCHMBSA2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.35 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.11 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:55:04 -0000 yes/support to both --Kam > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:32 PM > To: CCAMP > Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG > documents >=20 > This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed > below > ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list > indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of > course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume > that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) >=20 > If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the > document. >=20 > The documents being polled are: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 >=20 > The poll ends Wednesday October 12. >=20 > Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is > complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but > rather that further development of the documents will take place based > on WG process. >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From fred.gruman@us.fujitsu.com Thu Sep 29 09:12:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A9521F8C80 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:12:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iexWhI29IH4d for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fncnmp03.fnc.fujitsu.com (fncnmp03.fnc.fujitsu.com [168.127.0.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7102E21F8C6C for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,462,1312174800"; d="scan'208";a="480021745" Received: from rchemxp01.fnc.net.local ([168.127.134.111]) by fncnmp01.fnc.fujitsu.com with ESMTP; 29 Sep 2011 11:15:38 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:15:32 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WGdocuments Thread-Index: Acx9/DbpbJvnCRmETiqyaZKXSoy5uQAxqdYg References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> From: "Gruman, Fred" To: "Lou Berger" , "CCAMP" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WGdocuments X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:12:52 -0000 Yes/Support both. Regards, Fred Gruman Fujitsu Network Communications, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:32 AM To: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WGdocuments This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather that further development of the documents will take place based on WG process. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From gyzhang@sina.com Thu Sep 29 13:57:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CCF21F8AF9 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:57:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m+EBiJk1cKmq for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail228-175.sinamail.sina.com.cn (mail228-175.sinamail.sina.com.cn [60.28.228.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC82721F8B95 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 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[192.168.1.64] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by mail.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5F1A2A8002; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:50:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E85C90A.5090705@pi.nu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:50:02 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:7.0) Gecko/20110922 Thunderbird/7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: CCAMP , pwe3@ietf.org, "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [CCAMP] first set of mpls-tp documents completed X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:47:12 -0000 Working Group(s), late yesterday we passed an important Milestone; I did not realize it until some time after it happened, maybe since the milstone is not even documented in the WG charter. The working group chairs and our responsible AD have for some time worked with what we have called "the first set of MPLS-TP documents". That set includes includes 20 documents and we have had more than 40 editors/authors active. The set has two defining criteria: - it should be implementable - it should cover what ITU-T needs to reference in their MPLS-TP Recommendations What happened last night was that , more less as part of a normal business day, we requested publication of the last document on that set! This completes the working groups effort with these documents; chairs, document shepherds and authors may have to assist the IESG and the RFC Editor in their job, but the working group job is done! We also have further MPLS-TP documents to progress, so while recognizing the mile stone, it is easy to find new documents to review and comment on; please do so! I'd like to take take this opportunity, and I'm sure that my co-chairs and ADs join me, to congratulate and thank the working groups, the 40+ authors, everyone that reviewed and commented on the documents. We have done a good job and made progress! /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 +46 767 72 92 13 From pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com Fri Sep 30 07:36:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA95A21F8BE5 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:36:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.767 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.767 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.482, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kWxjGgS3l90h for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789A821F8B8C for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.63]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p8UEcpvY028778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:39:10 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.34]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.63]) with mapi; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:39:03 +0200 From: "PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" To: Leeyoung , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:39:02 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Thread-Index: AQHMfO94tnV8wbm4z0mVmmskErrIZJVhuEzAgAQ4/3A= Message-ID: References: <20110915194751.1118.92540.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171816B709@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817CE25@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817CE25@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:36:29 -0000 Hi Young,=20 I understand the content of your answer, but I'm not satisfied with it. My concern deals with providing a unique reading/interpretation of the OSPF= -TE extensions. We would like to make sure that any implementation complying to the drafts = would provide the same LSAs when applied to the same network. With this perspective in mind, we wish to get drafts with sufficient docume= ntation to make sure the LSA design process to be depicted, by design rules= . Hence the content of your answer leaving me the "opportunity to do as I wis= h", is not pleasing me, I would rather have strict rules, and discussions w= ith the WG on the design of those. That is why a first design rule, we could agree on is: to gather the Resour= ce Block Information TLVs inside a dedicated LSA, possibly with a dedicated= top-level TLV (which in my mind allows to enforce this design rule). Regards, - Pierre -----Message d'origine----- De : Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : mercredi 28 septembre 2011 00:06 =C0 : PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE); ccamp@ietf.org Objet : RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-= ospf-06.txt Hi Pierre,=20 Please see-inline for my reply to your first point.=20 Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE) [mailto:pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:28 AM To: Leeyoung; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility= -ospf-06.txt Hi Young, and CCAMPers, I was off the mailing lists for the last two weeks and being back I notice = a lot of exchanges, which I'm very glad of. I've also noticed many drafts have been updated. Concerning this specific draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06= , I wanted to comment section 3. Back in Quebec, I expressed my point of view (shared with Cyril, Julien and= Giovanni) that current drafts were lacking guidance regarding the way to d= esign LSAs that were to depict an WSON node with OEOs. This section 3 provides additional material to help designing the LSA. I would like to know whether authors are willing to pursue further in this = direction, which is to my mind a real corner stone, that would help everyon= e agree on a solution. A first point could concern the Resource Block Information (reminder: ::=3D ([] ): We all agree that these information are static, that we should not rep= licate this TLV whatever the number not the layout of OEO boards of a given= type. Then, we could dedicate a specific independant flooding entity. This would = be defined once for all, and that would not leave room to different interpr= etations. What about this first point? YOUNG>> If I understand you correctly, what you are saying is since the Res= ource Block Info sub-TLV is very static in nature, advertisement of this su= b-TLV should be treated differently from the rest of static-TLVs (which may= change over time). Is this what you are saying? If my interpretation of your comment is correct,=20 - The current mechanism allows what you want: Please see the first paragrap= h in Section 3.2 "In the highly unlikely event that a WSON sub-TLV by itself would result in an LSA exceeding the MTU, all five WSON specific sub-TLVs in this document provide mechanisms that allow them to be subdivided into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs." According to this clause, you can separate the Resource Block Info Sub-TLV = as the sole entry defined in the Optical Node property TLV in a separate TE= LSA from the rest if you will. Nothing prevents this particular way of pac= kaging. (Isn't this what you meant "a specific independent flooding entity"= ?)=20 - Please let me know if this explanation satisfies you. Thanks --- Young Regards, Pierre -----Message d'origine----- De : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de L= eeyoung Envoy=E9 : jeudi 15 septembre 2011 21:59 =C0 : ccamp@ietf.org Objet= : Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-= 06.txt Hi all, After 05 version publication, Acee provided a number of valuable comments a= nd suggestions. This revision (06) reflects those changes. Please note the = following updates: - Change the title of the draft to "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." from "OSPF E= nhancement..." to make sure the changes apply to the GMPLS OSPF rather than= the base OSPF.=20 - Add specific OSPF procedures on how sub-TLVs are packaged per [RFC3630] a= nd editorial change including avoiding "multiple instances of TE LSA" to "m= ultiple TE LSAs".=20 Your comments are always appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:48 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-osp= f-06.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Co= mpatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-15 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibil= ity-ospf-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibili= ty-ospf-06.txt _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From db3546@att.com Fri Sep 30 08:14:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F395521F8C68 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:14:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32ar2LDQC2OX for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5695821F8C65 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:14:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Env-Sender: db3546@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1317395825!41018910!1 X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-StarScan-Version: 6.3.6; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 26982 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2011 15:17:06 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-15.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Sep 2011 15:17:06 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p8UFHWh6027565 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:17:32 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com (misout7msghub9a.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.62]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p8UFHTnD027481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:17:30 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9O.ITServices.sbc.com ([169.254.6.215]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.62]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:17:01 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info Thread-Index: Acx/hADaRIcLxxImR96723Q2pUfC/Q== Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:17:01 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.16.234.231] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:14:14 -0000 All, This starts a two-week working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-in= fo. This working group last call ends Oct. 14th. Please send your comments to t= he CCAMP mailing list. Deborah (and Lou) From Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com Fri Sep 30 09:12:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5443F21F8C4C for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:12:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.140, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q89fgYM7hQAr for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enficsets2.metaswitch.com (enficsets2.metaswitch.com [192.91.191.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A03C21F8C48 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ENFIRHMBX1.datcon.co.uk (172.18.74.36) by enficsets2.metaswitch.com (172.18.4.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.339.1; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:15:28 +0100 Received: from ENFICSMBX1.datcon.co.uk ([fe80::d5d5:c683:a3be:3a19]) by ENFIRHMBX1.datcon.co.uk ([fe80::b06d:4d13:5f63:3715%19]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:15:29 +0100 From: Jonathan Hardwick To: labn - Lou Berger , CCAMP Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents Thread-Index: AQHMffwxGv+NlgVKTk+tKHLOesdgg5VmG/dw Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:15:28 +0000 Message-ID: <09CE6C3BE5E1EA40B987BF5F25D8DDBA208DF136@ENFICSMBX1.datcon.co.uk> References: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4E834C0D.5030800@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.18.72.13] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:12:36 -0000 Yes - support both. -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of L= ou Berger Sent: 28 September 2011 17:32 To: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Poll on making G.709 Routing and Signaling drafts WG docum= ents This message starts a two week poll on making the documents listed below ccamp working group documents. Please send a mail to the mailing list indicating "yes/support to both" or "no/do not support either". Of course, you may also support one but not the other. (We will assume that you support/object to both if you don't specify.) If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The documents being polled are: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-07 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-evolving-g709-09 The poll ends Wednesday October 12. Please also bear in mind that WG adoption does not signify that work is complete on the documents or that the technical details are fixed, but rather that further development of the documents will take place based on WG process. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From leeyoung@huawei.com Fri Sep 30 14:13:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1F921F8B6D for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:13:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkZ3H40DqlkN for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga02-in.huawei.com (usaga02-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6B121F8B6B for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LSC00KUNTR06R@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:16:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.18.4.104]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0LSC00KSYTQSDJ@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:16:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:16:02 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.151]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:16:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 21:16:00 +0000 From: Leeyoung In-reply-to: X-Originating-IP: [10.47.150.202] To: "PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" , "ccamp@ietf.org" Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E6BF@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Thread-topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Thread-index: AQHMfO94tnV8wbm4z0mVmmskErrIZJVhuEzAgAQ4/3CAAHRdUA== X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <20110915194751.1118.92540.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171816B709@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817CE25@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 21:13:19 -0000 Hi Pierre, I got your point. Let me ask you this question. In the current GMPLS OSPF T= E Link TLV are defined under Opaque TE LSA with the following attributes: - TE Metric - max B/W - max reservable b/w - unreserved b/w - Admin Group - Link Protection Type - SRLG - ISCD - etc. And these are a mixture of static and dynamic information and yet they are = assembled together as one TE Link TLV. For instance the ISCD is quite simil= ar to Resource Block Info in that it does not change often unless there are= new elements added in the node or configuration changes and yet it is pack= aged together with other dynamic information.=20 Why?=20 There are many ways to keep static/unchanged information from being flooded= . Only the Link Type and Link ID which are mandatory in the TE Link TLV per= RFC3630. All other sub-TLV are optional and may occur at most once (when t= here are enough changes from the previous period that deserve an update) an= d need not be included in the TE Link TLV when there is no need for updatin= g.=20 I really don't see the need for a separate top-level TLV and/or a separate = LSA for the Resource Block information.=20 Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE) [mailto:pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 9:39 AM To: Leeyoung; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility= -ospf-06.txt Hi Young,=20 I understand the content of your answer, but I'm not satisfied with it. My concern deals with providing a unique reading/interpretation of the OSPF= -TE extensions. We would like to make sure that any implementation complying to the drafts = would provide the same LSAs when applied to the same network. With this perspective in mind, we wish to get drafts with sufficient docume= ntation to make sure the LSA design process to be depicted, by design rules= . Hence the content of your answer leaving me the "opportunity to do as I wis= h", is not pleasing me, I would rather have strict rules, and discussions w= ith the WG on the design of those. That is why a first design rule, we could agree on is: to gather the Resour= ce Block Information TLVs inside a dedicated LSA, possibly with a dedicated= top-level TLV (which in my mind allows to enforce this design rule). Regards, - Pierre -----Message d'origine----- De : Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : mercredi 28 septembre 2011 00:06 =C0 : PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE); ccamp@ietf.org Objet : RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-= ospf-06.txt Hi Pierre,=20 Please see-inline for my reply to your first point.=20 Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE) [mailto:pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:28 AM To: Leeyoung; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility= -ospf-06.txt Hi Young, and CCAMPers, I was off the mailing lists for the last two weeks and being back I notice = a lot of exchanges, which I'm very glad of. I've also noticed many drafts have been updated. Concerning this specific draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06= , I wanted to comment section 3. Back in Quebec, I expressed my point of view (shared with Cyril, Julien and= Giovanni) that current drafts were lacking guidance regarding the way to d= esign LSAs that were to depict an WSON node with OEOs. This section 3 provides additional material to help designing the LSA. I would like to know whether authors are willing to pursue further in this = direction, which is to my mind a real corner stone, that would help everyon= e agree on a solution. A first point could concern the Resource Block Information (reminder: ::=3D ([] ): We all agree that these information are static, that we should not rep= licate this TLV whatever the number not the layout of OEO boards of a given= type. Then, we could dedicate a specific independant flooding entity. This would = be defined once for all, and that would not leave room to different interpr= etations. What about this first point? YOUNG>> If I understand you correctly, what you are saying is since the Res= ource Block Info sub-TLV is very static in nature, advertisement of this su= b-TLV should be treated differently from the rest of static-TLVs (which may= change over time). Is this what you are saying? If my interpretation of your comment is correct,=20 - The current mechanism allows what you want: Please see the first paragrap= h in Section 3.2 "In the highly unlikely event that a WSON sub-TLV by itself would result in an LSA exceeding the MTU, all five WSON specific sub-TLVs in this document provide mechanisms that allow them to be subdivided into smaller sub-TLVs that can be sent in separate OSPF TE LSAs." According to this clause, you can separate the Resource Block Info Sub-TLV = as the sole entry defined in the Optical Node property TLV in a separate TE= LSA from the rest if you will. Nothing prevents this particular way of pac= kaging. (Isn't this what you meant "a specific independent flooding entity"= ?)=20 - Please let me know if this explanation satisfies you. Thanks --- Young Regards, Pierre -----Message d'origine----- De : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de L= eeyoung Envoy=E9 : jeudi 15 septembre 2011 21:59 =C0 : ccamp@ietf.org Objet= : Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-= 06.txt Hi all, After 05 version publication, Acee provided a number of valuable comments a= nd suggestions. This revision (06) reflects those changes. Please note the = following updates: - Change the title of the draft to "GMPLS OSPF Enhancement..." from "OSPF E= nhancement..." to make sure the changes apply to the GMPLS OSPF rather than= the base OSPF.=20 - Add specific OSPF procedures on how sub-TLVs are packaged per [RFC3630] a= nd editorial change including avoiding "multiple instances of TE LSA" to "m= ultiple TE LSAs".=20 Your comments are always appreciated. Thanks. Best Regards. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:48 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-osp= f-06.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Co= mpatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-06.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-09-15 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibil= ity-ospf-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibili= ty-ospf-06.txt _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From leeyoung@huawei.com Fri Sep 30 15:19:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6BB21F86A0 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:19:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.029 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.029 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.495, BAYES_00=-2.599, FRT_LOLITA1=1.865, J_CHICKENPOX_36=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_37=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P+l0fDB0M1-k for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga02-in.huawei.com (usaga02-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F4621F84C1 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LSC00K2ZWST6R@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:22:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.18.4.104]) by usaga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0LSC00KI0WSTDJ@usaga02-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:22:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.203) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:21:58 -0700 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by dfweml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.203]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:21:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:21:56 +0000 From: Leeyoung In-reply-to: X-Originating-IP: [10.47.150.202] To: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" , "ccamp@ietf.org" Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E6FC@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Thread-topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 Thread-index: AQHMfoddI8UZc4rSmkKiUNV/WUrhf5Vme6yQ X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17181669D3@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> A <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E171817E09A@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:19:12 -0000 Hi Cyril, Regarding your point #3, the main motivation for bitmap representation of label (wavelength) was based on standard/well-defined/global contiguous ID. That is, once you know the lowest level of wavelength grid in the label/wavelength set, you can derive the rest easily based on the "globally" identifiable wavelength grid (per RFC6205 and G.694.1/2). Here the RB ID is local and arbitrary and as such I have a little hesitation to expand the Action field for bit map representation. If we define RB ID ={1,2,3,..N}, then it would be able to extract, for instance, the next RB ID after 1 is obviously 2. But we don't know if such is the case always. The operator can give any scheme for RB ID and it is strictly a local matter so assuming "monotonous increase" (as the example) may not work. What do you think? We still have point #2 (32 bits vs 16 bits) open --- I haven't seen enough implementers input on this point yet. I concur with you on point #6 (in your response to Pierre), is there any issue left on point #6? Best Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) [mailto:cyril.margaria@nsn.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:08 AM To: Leeyoung; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 Hi Young, For point 1,4,5,7 its ok. I updated the title BTW I clarified some points inline. Best Regards Cyril > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:47 PM > To: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich); ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > > Hi Cyril, > > Thanks for your review and suggestions. It looks like there are two > issues pending: Point #2 and #3. > We can close the rest of the points you raised with the action > specified in-line. Please let me know otherwise. > > Thanks. > > Young > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) [mailto:cyril.margaria@nsn.com] > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:59 AM > To: Leeyoung; ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-12.txt > > > Hi, > I have the following comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-12 > after it being updated and in light of the WG discussions: > 2) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field: > RB Identifier: as stated in section "3. Resources, Blocks, Sets, and > the > Resource Pool", Resources and Resource Blocks are related to interface > cards. > > GMPLS implementations are using 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs to > identify GMPLS links and also the corresponding physical resources. > OEO devices and, in the context of this document, resource or resource > group can also be identified by 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs. > > From an implementation point of view, having 16-bit resource block IDs > have several drawbacks because of the following points: > a) Mapping exists between physical resource and unnumbered interface > IDs, this mapping is generally known by management system, > introducing a different ID space is not optimal (new mapping > needed); > b) Those OEOs might be used as links in a multi-node model, thus > being > identified by a 32-bit unnumbered interface IDs, introducing another > space is also not optimal. > > Therefore, it would be better if the resource block IDs were 32-bit > interface IDs (to be unique within the node, not because they are > representing links in this document). > > YOUNG>> The only motivation why we used 16 bits for RB ID is to reduce > the space. And I think this is an internal link so it is not the real > interface per se and thus there is no need to keep track of the state > of RB ID like other legitimate interfaces. I don't think there is a > substantial implementation issue here whether we use 16 bits or 32 > bits, but if there is a strong support to use 32 bit ID over 16 bit ID, > I am fine with this. Lou and Deborah, do you have any suggestion on > this issue? Or other implementers? CYRIL>> The most bothering point of having 16 bit is for management system that needs to learn a new mapping between control plane resources and management plane resource. Having 32 bit ids make this more transparent to management applications. > > > 3) section 3.1. Resource Block Set Field Why not define a bit set > action, similar to the label set? > > YOUNG>> Are you referring the Label Set encoding as follows from draft- > ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-05.txt > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Action| Num Labels | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Base Label | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Additional fields as necessary per action | > > > The current Resource Block Set Field is encoded as follows: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Action |E|C| Reserved | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Identifier 1 | RB Identifier 2 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > : : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Identifier n-1 | RB Identifier n | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > YOUNG>> Can you be specific about your suggestion? Are you concerned > about label being 32 bit vs RB identifier being 16 bits? --- then this > is basically related to your point #2. CYRIL>> No, this is independent to the length of the RB identifier > If you have other concerns, > please spell them out (e.g., action field (4 bits vs 8 bits), etc..) > The Num Labels field is necessary when we are indicating bit maps > (Action = 4), which Is not needed for Resource Block Set; E bit is not > necessary when we adopt 32 bit RB ID, but C bit is needed to indicate > the connectivity nature of Resource Pool Accessibility. > > YOUNG>> Would the following encoding is what you are envisioning? If > not, please suggest in detail. > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Action|C| | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Identifier 1 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > : : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Identifier n | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ My suggestion is to add the following text and format : Action : 1 - Reserved 3 - Reserved 4 - Bitmap Set When Action is 4 (bitmap set) the format of the Resource block set is the following (with 16 bit ids): 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action = 4 |E|C| Reserved | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | base RB Identifier |Bit Map(Lowest numerical RB Id)| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ : : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Bit Map(Highest numerical RB Id) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Each bit in the bit map represents a particular RB Id with a value of 1/0 indicating whether the RB id is in the set or not. Bit position zero represents the lowest RB Id and corresponds to the base RB identifier, while each succeeding bit position represents the next RB identifier in numerical order. For example 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action = 4 |E|C| Reserved | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | base RB Identifier =10 |1|0|1|1|0|0|0|0|1|0|1|1|0|1|0|1| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Correspond to the following set of RB ids: 10,12,13,18,20,21,23,25,30 With 32 bits ids : 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action = 4 |E|C| Reserved | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | base RB Identifier | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Bit Map Word #1 (Lowest numerical RB Id) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ : : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Bit Map Word #N(Highest numerical RB Id) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ The previous example will be : 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Action = 4 |E|C| Reserved | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | base RB Identifier =10 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |1|0|1|1|0|0|0|0|1|0|1|1|0|1|0|1|0|0|0|0|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ General constraints encoding introduce a bitmap set for a set of IDs for efficiency, this can apply to each encoding representing a set of ids where you can define a group/calculate ID = baseID + n. > > > 6) section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV > > Having an Input Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of > modulation formats (with an input-output bit) and an Output Modulation > Type List sub-sub-TLV containing a list of modulation formats (with an > input-output bit) seems redundant because the bit I already indicates > if > it is an output or input modulation format. > > Having a single Modulation Type List sub-sub-TLV is providing the same > information with an efficient encoding, a single sub-sub-TLV type > should > be used. > > Same reasoning apply to the FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV. > > YOUNG>> I guess what you are suggesting is as follows: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | RB Set Field | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |I|E| Reserved | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Modulation Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Input Client Signal Type Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Input Bit Rate Range List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Processing Capabilities List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | > : : > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > YOUNG>> If that's what you suggested, that is fine with me. If that is > that case, I will revise with this figure in the revision. (Closure) This is what I mean, the logic of "if no egress FEC/Modulation is present, this is implicitly the same as the ingress FEC/Modulation". This proposal do not change the format of the FEC and Modulation.