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The latest version of this work can be found at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-02.txt We expect a revision relatively soon, so if the referenced link fails, please also check at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-03.txt Here are our responses to the questions in your liaison. 1. Would CCAMP consider generalizing the draft so that it could be applied to any Inverse Multiplexing scheme? For example, if generalized, the method could be used to establish H.244, ML-PPP, ATM inverse mux, or BONDING connections. It is certainly our intention that any protocol extensions that we develop should be easily extensible to other technologies. But at the same time we have seen no immediate interest from the community in applying GMPLS as a control plane for any of the technologies that you list. It would, of course, be a prerequisite of using GMPLS for such an inverse multiplexing scheme, that GMPLS was also used to build network connections (i.e. LSPs) for the specific technology. If you have a requirement to use GMPLS to control these technologies, we would be interested to hear from you. In the mean time, we note that the inverse multiplexing schemes that you list are packet/cell forms rather than circuit forms of inverse multiplexing and hence may have different configuration parameters than VCAT. 2. Does the I-D describe VCAT call signalling? The I-D uses GMPLS Calls (RFC 4974) to achieve VCAT group signaling. The GMPLS Call is used to coordinate the setup of multiple server connections (LSPs) used to form a VCAT group (a connection in the VCAT layer). 3. Does the I-D allow LSPs in a server layer to be set up without any prior knowledge of a possible VCAT layer, and then at a later point in time allow those LSPs to become available to a VCAT layer? When a network connection is established at the request of an operator or a management system, we have assumed that there is some motivation, and that the motivation is expressed in the call that coordinates the connection. In RFC 4974, the nature of the call can be changed (as a matter of call parameter exchange that is within the scope of the call controller function, but the details of which, except for the message exchange rules, are outside the scope of the signaling protocol), but the connections cannot be moved from one call to another. Thus, LSPs that are set up in association with a specific call can only be used as directed by the call controller with responsibility for that call. If a call controller decides to use the connections (LSPs) for VCAT one day and for something else another day, that is entirely within its remit. However, this assumes that the call controller can suitably instruct and coordinate the necessary adaptation functions at each end of the network connections. An implementation might find it more convenient to release the call (and the associated connections), before setting up a new call and a new set of connections. Note that we are considering mechanisms to allow LSPs to be moved between VCAT Groups according to the requirements of the network. Such schemes necessarily mean that there is not always a 1:1 relationship between calls and VCAT groups since it remains the case that connections cannot be moved between calls. However, our understanding of G.707 and the ability to move component trails (VCAT group members) between VCAT groups while the trail is in service is unclear, and we would welcome clarification of the requirements before progressing this function further. 4. Does the I-D allow the association of a VCAT call to multiple server layer calls? This is not specifically addressed. There is no hierarchy of calls described in the draft. Instead, the draft provides for a single call that is used to coordinate all of the server layer connections that support the single VCAT service. In practice, this may not represent architectural purity, but we believe it is a protocol implementation simplification consistent with the way that VCAT is operated. We note that VCAT groups can only consist of a single server connection type and cannot be mixed, e.g., VC-3 and VC-4 components cannot both be in the same VCG. 5. Does release of a VCAT call automatically imply release of the server layer call(s)? This is not required by G.8080 as layers are assumed to be independent. As noted for point 4, the VCAT layer call is not specifically called out in the draft. You may consider that the draft provides a mechanism for handling the (single hop) VCAT call and the server layer call as a single item. We would be interested to hear from you the operational circumstances under which a single VCAT layer call might give rise to multiple server layer calls. The signaling of the release of a GMPLS Call is rejected if connections are still in place (per RFC 4974 section 6.6.4) which is consistent with the connections having been set up under the instructions of the call controller and in support of the call. Thus, operationally, the release of a call will require the release of the associated connections. At this point it may be worth clarifying that a VCAT layer connection is created under the control of a VCAT layer call. The VCAT connection may require server layer connections (indeed, this is always the case with VCAT) and those connections need to be associated and controlled by a call. it is this second type of call that we are we are describing in this draft. Thus, the release of a VCAT call would lead to the release of the VCAT connection. The network policy may determine whether to release the server layer call or not. If the server layer call is released, the server layer connections will also be released. 6. Is VCAT layer addressing assumed to be the same as that of the server layer? GMPLS only supports IP addressing. The link connections in the VCAT layer created by/from network connections in the server layer may be given different addresses from the addresses used to represent the endpoints in the server layer, or may use the same addresses. 7. Are the two VCAT layer Call Controllers assumed to have direct signalling connectivity? Yes, adjacent call controllers in any layer are assumed to be able to exchange call control messages without the intervention of any proxy, agent, or extra-layer entity. 8. If multiple client layers are using the same VCAT layer as their server layer, how can the VCAT layer call be identified for use in the client layer signalling? How is this problem any different from any other n:1 client/server relationship? Please supply details of why the fact that the server layer is a VCAT layer should make this scenario any different. Please also note that, as for point 5 above, the VCAT layer call is not what is being addressed in this draft. We are addressing the server layer call that coordinates the server layer network connections that are used as VCAT group members to construct a VCAT group that can be presented as a link connection in the VCAT layer. 9. Have you considered using the ASON call id [RFC3474] at all layers to achieve separate call control of the VCAT and server layers? The format of the call ID is deliberately out of scope for this work as we would not wish to control or enforce the applicability of this work in any one environment. However, RFC 4974 (as noted in a recent separate liaison from us on GMPLS Calls) allows any format call ID to be encoded in GMPLS calls. Thus, the ASON call id format described informationally in RFC 3474 can be supported and used in an ASON environment at the choice of the operator and/or the implementer of the call controller. Can you please confirm that the normative definition of the ASON call ID is in G.7713.2? Other Recommendations (such as G.7713.3) also appear to have call IDs defined, and we want to make sure that we can reference a single, protocol- independent definition of a call ID 10. In the ASON architecture [G.8080], it is not assumed that a single signalling protocol is used in all domains. Even in the case the same protocol is used in all domains, the RSVP session changes between domains. Could you explain how the Notify mechanism used for call control would work across multiple domains where the RSVP session changes? This question clearly has wider relevance than this VCAT draft and should be seen in the context of RFC 4974, and not in reference to this draft. We note that G.8080 makes no assumptions about connection signaling protocols in adjacent domains, but we believe that the architecture does assume an E-NNI reference point in association with one or more call controllers at such domain interfaces. The E-NNI call controllers are responsible for requesting the necessary network connections in each domain and, where the E-NNI is externalised, for requesting any inter-domain connections. Call messages are exchanged between adjacent call controllers and relate to the network connections established at the request of those call controllers. When two adjacent GMPLS domains support the same end-to-end network connection, we do not recommend that the session object be changed. Please clarify where in G.8080 there is any reference to RSVP sessions. There should be no such discussion of protocol implementations in an architecture document. We would welcome your opinions on these responses and the direction of our work. In your liaison you stated that you had the intention to review the draft further at your June meeting. But in the liaison from your June meeting (COM15-LS170-E) you say that you deferred this review pending further revisions of the I-D. This is quite reasonable, but we would nevertheless welcome any further high-level comments that you may have. We will notify you as this draft is updated. 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Maybe no-one had time to read them. > > Please can I get a feeling from the working group: > > Are these I-Ds ready to move forward as RFCs? > > "Framework for MPLS-TE to GMPLS migration" > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-03.txt > > > "Interworking Requirements to Support operation of MPLS-TE over GMPLS > Networks" > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-01.txt > > > Thanks, > Adrian > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:41 PM > Subject: Working Group last call on MPLS/GMPLS interworking and migration > > >> Hi, >> . >> Two working group drafts have reached the position where the authors >> consider them ready for last call (actually, a whole bunch have >> arrived there at the same time, but we want to dribble them through >> the last call process). >> >> These two documents concern the operation of MPLS over GMPLS, and the >> migration from MPLS to GMPLS. >> >> The "Framework for MPLS-TE to GMPLS migration" is (the rather poorly >> named) >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-03.txt >> >> >> The "Interworking Requirements to Support operation of MPLS-TE over >> GMPLS Networks" are in >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-01.txt >> >> >> The documents are both Informational. >> >> Please send your comments (preferably to the list) by the end of WG >> last call which will be 12 noon GMT 24th August 2007. >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian >> >> >> > > > > > -- Kohei Shiomoto NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories 3-9-11 Midori, Musashino, Tokyo 180-8585, Japan Phone +81 422 59 4402 Fax +81 422 59 3787 From Robertson.ramanoop@adsl-81-7-119-163.takas.lt Tue Sep 04 11:16:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISa8f-00034F-AF for ccamp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:16:25 -0400 Received: from adsl-ull-52-125.48-151.net24.it ([151.48.125.52] helo=adsl-ull-162-92.48-151.net24.it) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISa8e-0003vm-J0 for ccamp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:16:25 -0400 Received: by 10.94.84.51 with SMTP id TwAaJPaRInXnX; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:16:30 +0200 (GMT) Received: by 192.168.64.115 with SMTP id nkqRcZcZwNQjGY.4182819063023; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:16:28 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <000b01c7ef06$8f5e1b60$a25c3097@server> From: "Robertson ramanoop" To: Subject: streitpu Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:16:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7EF17.52E6EB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7EF17.52E6EB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.meblepl.com/ Wazzup Robertson ladies can sence a confident man, and they like it. 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Especially since the > > on thing we are discussing at the moment is the charter > > update and this is on the ccamp list?? >=20 > Absolutely. >=20 > I'll give you all a last chance to scream. >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Sep 06 10:35:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITIRi-0000ZS-0c for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:35:02 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITIRh-00045L-If for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITIJv-000JCI-4u for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:26:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [62.23.212.7] (helo=smail6.alcatel.fr) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITIJr-000JBr-PZ for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:26:57 +0000 Received: from FRVELSBHS04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com (frvelsbhs04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com [155.132.6.76]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l86EQGdq004903; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:26:16 +0200 Received: from FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com ([155.132.6.56]) by FRVELSBHS04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:26:45 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:26:42 +0200 Message-ID: <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B22ED@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> In-Reply-To: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9102067D40@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List thread-index: AcfwaKdFjH0nMrF2Tw6ZFzl7WVA5awAJ0mGgAAB7qvA= References: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9101FB483B@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <014f01c7eb1f$3272db10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <46D7DDC6.8000205@pi.se> <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9102067D40@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> From: "PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri" To: "Attila Takacs $IJ/ETH$" , "Adrian Farrel" , , "gels" Cc: "Ross Callon" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 14:26:45.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3CDBF60:01C7F091] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.188.84 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 attila - yes. but CCAMP is only about "Control" - -d. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Attila Takacs (IJ/ETH) > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:25 PM > To: Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > Cc: Ross Callon > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > I support closing the gels list.=20 >=20 > Since decoupling the discussions into "techno-specific" and GMPLS > specific part is very difficult, if at all possible, I do not=20 > see how to > benefit from a separate forum for techno-specific aspects. IMHO, it > would be much clearer having a single forum for all related=20 > discussions > anyway. >=20 > Best regards, > Attila >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:27 AM > > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > > Cc: Ross Callon > > Subject: Closing the GELS Mailing List > >=20 > > We propose to close the GELS mailing list. > >=20 > > Loa wrote... > >=20 > > > I tend to support this, but it begs two questions: > > > > > > - when will the charter update be ack'ed? > >=20 > > I don't know, and I can't promise that it will be ack'ed. but=20 > > the Routing ADs appear to support the change. > >=20 > > > - in the (unlikely) case where we don't get an ack for =20 > > gels work the=20 > > > gels-list won't be needed anyhow, so; isn't the effect of=20 > > the of your=20 > > > statement below that the gels-list is dead as of now? Especially=20 > > > since the on thing we are discussing at the moment is=20 > the charter =20 > > > update and this is on the ccamp list?? > >=20 > > Absolutely. > >=20 > > I'll give you all a last chance to scream. > >=20 > > Thanks, > > Adrian=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Sep 06 10:36:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITITX-0002Ga-DM for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:36:55 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITITV-0000bd-TR for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:36:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITIHs-000IxY-Po for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:24:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [193.180.251.62] (helo=mailgw4.ericsson.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITIHp-000Iw2-Rr for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:24:51 +0000 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id E24CA212D6; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:24:47 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-b2038bb0000007e1-47-46e00dafaf0f Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id B8B1B212AF; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:24:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.7]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:24:47 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:24:45 +0200 Message-ID: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9102067D40@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List Thread-Index: AcfwaKdFjH0nMrF2Tw6ZFzl7WVA5awAJ0mGg References: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9101FB483B@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <014f01c7eb1f$3272db10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <46D7DDC6.8000205@pi.se> <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Attila Takacs (IJ/ETH)" To: "Adrian Farrel" , , "gels" Cc: "Ross Callon" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 14:24:47.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD6E0020:01C7F091] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca Hi all, I support closing the gels list.=20 Since decoupling the discussions into "techno-specific" and GMPLS specific part is very difficult, if at all possible, I do not see how to benefit from a separate forum for techno-specific aspects. IMHO, it would be much clearer having a single forum for all related discussions anyway. Best regards, Attila > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:27 AM > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > Cc: Ross Callon > Subject: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > We propose to close the GELS mailing list. >=20 > Loa wrote... >=20 > > I tend to support this, but it begs two questions: > > > > - when will the charter update be ack'ed? >=20 > I don't know, and I can't promise that it will be ack'ed. but=20 > the Routing ADs appear to support the change. >=20 > > - in the (unlikely) case where we don't get an ack for =20 > gels work the=20 > > gels-list won't be needed anyhow, so; isn't the effect of=20 > the of your=20 > > statement below that the gels-list is dead as of now? Especially=20 > > since the on thing we are discussing at the moment is the charter =20 > > update and this is on the ccamp list?? >=20 > Absolutely. >=20 > I'll give you all a last chance to scream. >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Sep 06 10:53:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITIjx-0000lc-Fl for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:53:53 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITIjw-00014R-8G for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:53:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITIYD-000Koj-KR for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:41:45 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [47.140.192.55] (helo=zrtps0kn.nortel.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITIYA-000KoK-R0 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:41:44 +0000 Received: from zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com (zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.140.202.51]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id l86EfMR10214; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:41:22 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:41:12 -0400 Message-ID: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA411396BAF@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B228B@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List thread-index: AcfwaJE8wbS3itLlS+ScmNci3tMldgAD569QAAZHkjA= References: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9101FB483B@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <014f01c7eb1f$3272db10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <46D7DDC6.8000205@pi.se> <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B228B@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> From: "Don Fedyk" To: "PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri" , "Adrian Farrel" , , "gels" Cc: "Ross Callon" Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Hi Adrian Dmitri does have a point that if there is a topic that heads into the "weeds" we could direct it to the GELS list explicitly. =20 Is there a cost of keeping it open? Regards, Don =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:00 AM To: Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels Cc: Ross Callon Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List adrian, you could leave the gels list for the list for the techno-specific discussions and the ccamp list for the non-techno specific discussions in any case, i believe the value of gels was so far to allow open discussion on a topic that was on charter=20 -> question: does proposed incorporation in charter (with milestones to be better shaped inline with progress of IEEE) elevate any other need ? complete decoupling of discussion has been shown to be difficult to be realized in the past thanks, -dimitri. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:27 AM > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > Cc: Ross Callon > Subject: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > We propose to close the GELS mailing list. >=20 > Loa wrote... >=20 > > I tend to support this, but it begs two questions: > > > > - when will the charter update be ack'ed? >=20 > I don't know, and I can't promise that it will be ack'ed. but=20 > the Routing ADs appear to support the change. >=20 > > - in the (unlikely) case where we don't get an ack for > > gels work the gels-list won't be needed anyhow, so; > > isn't the effect of the of your statement below that > > the gels-list is dead as of now? Especially since the > > on thing we are discussing at the moment is the charter > > update and this is on the ccamp list?? >=20 > Absolutely. >=20 > I'll give you all a last chance to scream. >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Sep 06 11:17:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJ6t-0007ny-0h for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:17:35 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJ6s-0005uJ-DR for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:17:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITIre-000MjB-Mv for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:01:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [193.180.251.62] (helo=mailgw4.ericsson.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITIrb-000MiR-IO for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:01:49 +0000 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id B2C0021484; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:01:45 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-ae831bb0000007e1-9b-46e016593498 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 7009C21164; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:01:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.7]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:01:45 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:01:43 +0200 Message-ID: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9102067D9E@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA411396BAF@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List Thread-Index: AcfwaJE8wbS3itLlS+ScmNci3tMldgAD569QAAZHkjAAANAA4A== References: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9101FB483B@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <014f01c7eb1f$3272db10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <46D7DDC6.8000205@pi.se> <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B228B@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA411396BAF@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Attila Takacs (IJ/ETH)" To: "Don Fedyk" , "PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri" , "Adrian Farrel" , , "gels" Cc: "Ross Callon" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 15:01:45.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[D744F610:01C7F096] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 5011df3e2a27abcc044eaa15befcaa87 Hi Don, This sounds good, however I doubt that it can be smoothly enforced. How to determine when a discussion is to be moved to the gels list, and, maybe, when is it eligible to be moved back to ccamp? It will be difficult to follow up mixed threads. On the other hand, I suspect that most of the ccamp list members are also subscribed to the gels list so I do not really see the benefit of having two lists; expect setting different filtering rules in your mailer (well, this might be an argument enough in itself :-)) Best regards, Attila > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Don Fedyk > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:41 PM > To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri; Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > Cc: Ross Callon > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > Hi Adrian >=20 > Dmitri does have a point that if there is a topic that heads=20 > into the "weeds" we could direct it to the GELS list explicitly. =20 >=20 > Is there a cost of keeping it open? >=20 > Regards, > Don =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:00 AM > To: Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > Cc: Ross Callon > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > adrian, >=20 > you could leave the gels list for the list for the=20 > techno-specific discussions and the ccamp list for the=20 > non-techno specific discussions >=20 > in any case, i believe the value of gels was so far to allow=20 > open discussion on a topic that was on charter=20 >=20 > -> question: does proposed incorporation in charter (with=20 > milestones to > be better shaped inline with progress of IEEE) elevate any=20 > other need ? > complete decoupling of discussion has been shown to be=20 > difficult to be realized in the past >=20 > thanks, > -dimitri. >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:27 AM > > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > > Cc: Ross Callon > > Subject: Closing the GELS Mailing List > >=20 > > We propose to close the GELS mailing list. > >=20 > > Loa wrote... > >=20 > > > I tend to support this, but it begs two questions: > > > > > > - when will the charter update be ack'ed? > >=20 > > I don't know, and I can't promise that it will be ack'ed. but the=20 > > Routing ADs appear to support the change. > >=20 > > > - in the (unlikely) case where we don't get an ack for gels work=20 > > > the gels-list won't be needed anyhow, so; isn't the=20 > effect of the=20 > > > of your statement below that the gels-list is dead as of now?=20 > > > Especially since the on thing we are discussing at the moment is=20 > > > the charter update and this is on the ccamp list?? > >=20 > > Absolutely. > >=20 > > I'll give you all a last chance to scream. > >=20 > > Thanks, > > Adrian >=20 >=20 >=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Sep 06 12:05:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJr1-0004T3-9B for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:05:15 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJr0-0007VF-Mp for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:05:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITJfZ-0001Kh-2E for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:53:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [64.102.122.148] (helo=rtp-iport-1.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITJfW-0001KK-Ff for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:53:23 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,216,1186372800"; d="scan'208";a="70279232" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Sep 2007 11:53:16 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l86FrHON000959; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:53:17 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l86FqnZc011062; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:53:16 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-203.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.20]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:53:09 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:53:14 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA411396BAF@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List Thread-Index: AcfwaJE8wbS3itLlS+ScmNci3tMldgAD569QAAZHkjAAAOoLAA== References: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9101FB483B@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <014f01c7eb1f$3272db10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <46D7DDC6.8000205@pi.se> <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B228B@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA411396BAF@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Zafar Ali $zali$" To: "Don Fedyk" , "PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri" , "Adrian Farrel" , , "gels" Cc: "Ross Callon" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 15:53:09.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[057A0410:01C7F09E] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2723; t=1189093997; x=1189957997; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=zali@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Zafar=20Ali=20$zali$=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20Closing=20the=20GELS=20Mailing=20List |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Don=20Fedyk=22=20,=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= 20=22PAPADIMITRIOU=20Dimitri=22=20,=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=22Adrian=20Farrel=22=20 ,=20,=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=22gels=22=20; bh=LvLBrTv8gJ1vZiC45tC79sLy4VLmBeTSHTW/uGSGvj0=; b=plRMoj3k2q8e8IAPYjS/3Ws5hzCTaXofwY5q/Mo+xhrkE+ub0Sgo0xo+1O+KLvpcOi+Rvozv AAbhrmJkr73bqsx+mWqTvWWy5tWLMMM4KvGzApd/ZbE8sYOBtFQhuIvF; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=zali@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Don Fedyk > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:41 AM > To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri; Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > Cc: Ross Callon > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > Hi Adrian >=20 > Dmitri does have a point that if there is a topic that heads=20 > into the "weeds" we could direct it to the GELS list explicitly. =20 >=20 > Is there a cost of keeping it open? Is there a cost for discussing them at CCAMP? I prefer a central place for all discussions. =20 Thanks Regards... Zafar=20 >=20 > Regards, > Don =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:00 AM > To: Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > Cc: Ross Callon > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > adrian, >=20 > you could leave the gels list for the list for the=20 > techno-specific discussions and the ccamp list for the=20 > non-techno specific discussions >=20 > in any case, i believe the value of gels was so far to allow=20 > open discussion on a topic that was on charter=20 >=20 > -> question: does proposed incorporation in charter (with=20 > milestones to > be better shaped inline with progress of IEEE) elevate any=20 > other need ? > complete decoupling of discussion has been shown to be=20 > difficult to be realized in the past >=20 > thanks, > -dimitri. >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:27 AM > > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > > Cc: Ross Callon > > Subject: Closing the GELS Mailing List > >=20 > > We propose to close the GELS mailing list. > >=20 > > Loa wrote... > >=20 > > > I tend to support this, but it begs two questions: > > > > > > - when will the charter update be ack'ed? > >=20 > > I don't know, and I can't promise that it will be ack'ed. but the=20 > > Routing ADs appear to support the change. > >=20 > > > - in the (unlikely) case where we don't get an ack for gels work=20 > > > the gels-list won't be needed anyhow, so; isn't the=20 > effect of the=20 > > > of your statement below that the gels-list is dead as of now?=20 > > > Especially since the on thing we are discussing at the moment is=20 > > > the charter update and this is on the ccamp list?? > >=20 > > Absolutely. > >=20 > > I'll give you all a last chance to scream. > >=20 > > Thanks, > > Adrian >=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Sep 06 12:09:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJuw-0006j7-So for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:09:19 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJuw-0007c1-9W for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:09:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITJgX-0001PB-3q for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:54:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [64.102.122.149] (helo=rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITJgU-0001On-D6 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:54:23 +0000 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Sep 2007 11:54:22 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.20,216,1186372800"; d="scan'208"; a="131155226:sNHT65269400" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l86FsLrV001814; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:54:21 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l86FsHBo002772; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:54:21 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-203.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.20]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:54:18 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:54:24 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B22ED@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List Thread-Index: AcfwaKdFjH0nMrF2Tw6ZFzl7WVA5awAJ0mGgAAB7qvAAAvuP4A== References: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9101FB483B@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <014f01c7eb1f$3272db10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <46D7DDC6.8000205@pi.se> <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9102067D40@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B22ED@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> From: "Zafar Ali $zali$" To: "PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri" , "Attila Takacs $IJ/ETH$" , "Adrian Farrel" , , "gels" Cc: "Ross Callon" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 15:54:18.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E9D2CA0:01C7F09E] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2577; t=1189094061; x=1189958061; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=zali@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Zafar=20Ali=20$zali$=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20Closing=20the=20GELS=20Mailing=20List |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22PAPADIMITRIOU=20Dimitri=22=20,=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=22Attila=20Takacs=20$IJ/ETH$=22=20,=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=22Adrian=20Farrel=2 2=20,=20,=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=22gels=22=20; bh=aQvA3qMA5u0WsaYccM8NI0rmuEJCYrb4Zn18vu6rcyc=; b=Jp9LRtdsDEm+E6Cgu/5GXrN0mom6H06YsjkOHzfI4KRdY8Pc1PVHp3+Mp7i+5CuLXSybu3iv IITzmnkd2H2sasGaYqZVecKPsiDJUZVgBdHwfe/vaRfL1SYnCPmuDAQ+; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=zali@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:27 AM > To: Attila Takacs (IJ/ETH); Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > Cc: Ross Callon > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > attila - yes. but CCAMP is only about "Control" - >=20 And for interface with Standards Body owning forwarding. Not to mention we are all "technical". What else is left?=20 Thanks Regards... Zafar=20 > -d. >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Attila=20 > Takacs (IJ/ETH) > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:25 PM > > To: Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > > Cc: Ross Callon > > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List > >=20 > > Hi all, > >=20 > > I support closing the gels list.=20 > >=20 > > Since decoupling the discussions into "techno-specific" and GMPLS=20 > > specific part is very difficult, if at all possible, I do=20 > not see how=20 > > to benefit from a separate forum for techno-specific=20 > aspects. IMHO, it=20 > > would be much clearer having a single forum for all related=20 > > discussions anyway. > >=20 > > Best regards, > > Attila > >=20 > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:27 AM > > > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > > > Cc: Ross Callon > > > Subject: Closing the GELS Mailing List > > >=20 > > > We propose to close the GELS mailing list. > > >=20 > > > Loa wrote... > > >=20 > > > > I tend to support this, but it begs two questions: > > > > > > > > - when will the charter update be ack'ed? > > >=20 > > > I don't know, and I can't promise that it will be ack'ed. but the=20 > > > Routing ADs appear to support the change. > > >=20 > > > > - in the (unlikely) case where we don't get an ack for > > > gels work the > > > > gels-list won't be needed anyhow, so; isn't the effect of > > > the of your > > > > statement below that the gels-list is dead as of now?=20 > Especially=20 > > > > since the on thing we are discussing at the moment is > > the charter > > > > update and this is on the ccamp list?? > > >=20 > > > Absolutely. > > >=20 > > > I'll give you all a last chance to scream. > > >=20 > > > Thanks, > > > Adrian > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Sep 06 12:09:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJux-0006jJ-UL for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:09:19 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJux-0007c6-Eb for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:09:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITJju-0001jk-12 for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:57:54 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [128.9.168.207] (helo=bosco.isi.edu) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITJjr-0001jL-Ct for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:57:52 +0000 Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id C944BE0FBA; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:55:27 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 4990 on Use of Addresses in Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Networks From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ccamp@ops.ietf.org Message-Id: <20070906155527.C944BE0FBA@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4990 Title: Use of Addresses in Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Networks Author: K. Shiomoto, R. Papneja, R. Rabbat Status: Informational Date: September 2007 Mailbox: shiomoto.kohei@lab.ntt.co.jp, rabbat@alum.mit.edu, rpapneja@isocore.com Pages: 23 Characters: 50908 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-addressing-08.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4990.txt This document clarifies the use of addresses in Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) networks. The aim is to facilitate interworking of GMPLS-capable Label Switching Routers (LSRs). The document is based on experience gained in implementation, interoperability testing, and deployment. The document describes how to interpret address and identifier fields within GMPLS protocols, and how to choose which addresses to set in those fields for specific control plane usage models. 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7F088.1C5FD710-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Sep 06 15:09:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITMjG-00081g-4r for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:09:26 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITMjF-0003Lf-HR for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:09:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITMXp-000IWR-2S for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:57:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [64.208.49.5] (helo=smail6.alcatel.fr) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITMXm-000IW1-3h for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:57:35 +0000 Received: from FRVELSBHS05.ad2.ad.alcatel.com (frvelsbhs05.ad2.ad.alcatel.com [155.132.6.77]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l86IuuZ8028275; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:56:56 +0200 Received: from FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com ([155.132.6.56]) by FRVELSBHS05.ad2.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:57:25 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:57:22 +0200 Message-ID: <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B24AF@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List thread-index: AcfwaKdFjH0nMrF2Tw6ZFzl7WVA5awAJ0mGgAAB7qvAAAvuP4AAFZYUw References: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9101FB483B@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <014f01c7eb1f$3272db10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <46D7DDC6.8000205@pi.se> <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9102067D40@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B22ED@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> From: "PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri" To: "Zafar Ali $zali$" , "Attila Takacs $IJ/ETH$" , "Adrian Farrel" , , "gels" Cc: "Ross Callon" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 18:57:25.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3E0A7B0:01C7F0B7] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.188.84 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 67c1ea29f88502ef6a32ccec927970f0 zafar the main problem remains - to take a base example in its work plan Adrian mentions 2. "GMPLS control of P2P TE for PBB-TE (802.1Qay)" [...] - Label allocation and swapping rules=20 [...] is that not a forwarding component discussion ? beside the fact that there is an assumption on what label means and how it is represented in data plane thanks, -d. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Zafar Ali (zali) [mailto:zali@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:54 PM > To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri; Attila Takacs (IJ/ETH); Adrian=20 > Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > Cc: Ross Callon > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:27 AM > > To: Attila Takacs (IJ/ETH); Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > > Cc: Ross Callon > > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List > >=20 > > attila - yes. but CCAMP is only about "Control" - >=20 > And for interface with Standards Body owning forwarding. Not=20 > to mention > we are all "technical". What else is left?=20 >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Regards... Zafar=20 >=20 > > -d. > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Attila=20 > > Takacs (IJ/ETH) > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:25 PM > > > To: Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > > > Cc: Ross Callon > > > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List > > >=20 > > > Hi all, > > >=20 > > > I support closing the gels list.=20 > > >=20 > > > Since decoupling the discussions into "techno-specific" and GMPLS=20 > > > specific part is very difficult, if at all possible, I do=20 > > not see how=20 > > > to benefit from a separate forum for techno-specific=20 > > aspects. IMHO, it=20 > > > would be much clearer having a single forum for all related=20 > > > discussions anyway. > > >=20 > > > Best regards, > > > Attila > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > > > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:27 AM > > > > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels > > > > Cc: Ross Callon > > > > Subject: Closing the GELS Mailing List > > > >=20 > > > > We propose to close the GELS mailing list. > > > >=20 > > > > Loa wrote... > > > >=20 > > > > > I tend to support this, but it begs two questions: > > > > > > > > > > - when will the charter update be ack'ed? > > > >=20 > > > > I don't know, and I can't promise that it will be=20 > ack'ed. but the=20 > > > > Routing ADs appear to support the change. > > > >=20 > > > > > - in the (unlikely) case where we don't get an ack for > > > > gels work the > > > > > gels-list won't be needed anyhow, so; isn't the effect of > > > > the of your > > > > > statement below that the gels-list is dead as of now?=20 > > Especially=20 > > > > > since the on thing we are discussing at the moment is > > > the charter > > > > > update and this is on the ccamp list?? > > > >=20 > > > > Absolutely. > > > >=20 > > > > I'll give you all a last chance to scream. > > > >=20 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Adrian > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Sep 06 16:23:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITNst-0002k7-FB for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:23:27 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITNss-000624-Td for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:23:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITNkq-0000Q7-7l for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:15:08 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-201.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [156.154.24.138] (helo=ns3.neustar.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITNkl-0000Ol-R8 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:15:05 +0000 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994F3175A7; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:15:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ITNkj-0007qC-W0; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:15:01 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-01.txt Message-Id: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:15:01 -0400 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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No, it doesn't cost to have all of the threads on CCAMP. Please note that we should not discuss the data plane. If you don't understand (or don't like, or don't want to use) the data plane you should have your discussions in private or at the IEEE. Dimitri said... >> - Label allocation and swapping rules > is that not a forwarding component discussion ? It is certainly informed by the forwarding component (i.e. the definition of the data plane), but the rules we need to define are the rules for the control plane. I.e. (and for example, only) if the forwarding plane defines that the label allocated on the upstream interface must be numerically one greater than the label allocated on the downstream interface, this rule must be referenced in the control plane specification. This is important since it is a constraint placed on the normal per-interface operation of GMPLS. That makes it CCAMP work. > beside the fact that there is an assumption on what > label means and how it is represented in data plane This is also something we would expect to describe within CCAMP although "what is a label" would come to us from the data plane specification. Thanks, Adrian From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Sep 07 05:31:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITaBL-0004Dh-PJ for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:31:20 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITaBL-0007z7-EM for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:31:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITa3V-000JUt-5n for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:23:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [61.144.161.7] (helo=szxga04-in.huawei.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITa3P-000JUS-FT for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:23:08 +0000 Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JNZ004C1RCQTZ@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:22:02 +0800 (CST) Received: from M55527 ([10.111.12.79]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JNZ00BB4RCMZV@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:22:02 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:21:53 +0800 From: Mach Chen Subject: Update for the "IGP extention in support of Inter-AS TE" drafts To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Message-id: <00de01c7f130$87e737f0$4f0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfwwuDZhXH7tKtURuC2IIrBrm8HUgAP/ARw Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Hi forks, We have updated these two I-Ds since IETF 69th in Chicago, where we received a lot of useful comments and suggestion. You could reach them by the following links: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extensi on-01.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-chen-isis-interas-te-extensio n-01.txt Compare to rev.00, the main changes in rev.01 are listed below: 1. Wording changes in several places; 2. According to Kireeti's comments, make a clear statement "There is no OSPF adjacency running on the inter-AS link"; 3. Enhance the PCE-based scenario to explain that the AS number property of an inter-AS TE link is needed, and clearly state that the AS number sub-TLV is mandatory; 4. Add the missing part about that the local ASBR SHOULD do a "proxy" advertisement for the backward of an inter-AS TE link; 5. Enhance the Security section. Any feedback and comments are welcome! 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You could reach them by the following links: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extensi on-01.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chen-ccamp-isis-interas-te-extensi on-01.txt Compare to rev.00, the main changes in rev.01 are listed below: 1. Wording changes in several places; 2. According to Kireeti's comments, make a clear statement "There is no OSPF adjacency running on the inter-AS link"; 3. Enhance the PCE-based scenario to explain that the AS number property of an inter-AS TE link is needed, and clearly state that the AS number sub-TLV is mandatory; 4. Add the missing part about that the local ASBR SHOULD do a "proxy" advertisement for the backward of an inter-AS TE link; 5. Enhance the Security section. Any feedback and comments are welcome! Best regards, Mach --Boundary_(ID_haGQROjryIU2to16pF2lnw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi forks,

We have updated these two I-Ds since IETF 69th in Chicago, where we received a lot of useful comments and suggestion. You could reach them by the following links:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-01.txt

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chen-ccamp-isis-interas-te-extension-01.txt

Compare to rev.00, the main changes in rev.01 are listed below:

1. Wording changes in several places;

2. According to Kireeti's comments, make a clear statement "There is no OSPF adjacency running on the inter-AS link";

3. Enhance the PCE-based scenario to explain that the AS number property of an inter-AS TE link is needed, and clearly state that the AS number sub-TLV is mandatory;

4. Add the missing part about that the local ASBR SHOULD do a "proxy" advertisement for the backward of an inter-AS TE link; 5. Enhance the Security section.

Any feedback and comments are welcome!

Best regards,

Mach

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Thanks, Adrian From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Sep 07 10:19:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITegW-0005k0-Eu for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:19:48 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITegW-0006G5-3B for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:19:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITeYU-000NKj-48 for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:11:30 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [212.23.3.142] (helo=rutherford.zen.co.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITeYO-000NKL-J1 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:11:28 +0000 Received: from [88.96.235.138] (helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ITeYN-0002aB-Mz for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:11:23 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([81.140.15.32] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:11:22 +0100 Message-ID: <047601c7f158$f5121ed0$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "Lam, Hing-Kam $Kam$" References: <046401c7f156$b7925310$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Subject: Re: Working Group Last Call on MLN Requirements and Evaluation Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:10:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2007 14:11:23.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8ABE760:01C7F158] X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [88.96.235.138] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Remarkable! Don't trust your mailer if it comes from Microsoft! That URL showed as http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-05.txt right up until it arrive in my inbox! But you are also very welcome to book our village hall :-) Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam)" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Working Group Last Call on MLN Requirements and Evaluation > Hi, > > This email starts the working group last call on > > http://www.olddog.co.uk/pentredwr.htm > and > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-03.txt > > This last call will include scope for review of the documents by ITU-T > SG15 Q14 during their interim meeting in Stuttgart. > > The last call will end at 12 noon GMT on 21st September 2007. > > Please send your comments by email to the CCAMP list or to the CCAMP > chairs (or by formal liaison ;-). > > Thanks, > Adrian > > > From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Sep 07 11:24:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITfhH-0007EW-FM for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:24:39 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITfhG-0003Gx-4o for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:24:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITfYC-0003ui-O7 for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:15:16 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITfY9-0003uM-W5 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:15:15 +0000 Received: from pc6 (1Cust140.tnt30.lnd3.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.122.140]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA608E00049F; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:15:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <029b01c7f158$a43c9bc0$0601a8c0@pc6> Reply-To: "tom.petch" From: "tom.petch" To: "Adrian Farrel" , , "gels" Cc: "Ross Callon" References: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9101FB483B@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <014f01c7eb1f$3272db10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <46D7DDC6.8000205@pi.se> <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9102067D40@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B22ED@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B24AF@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <039601c7f12d$69406a40$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Subject: Re: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:25:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -102.6 (---------------------------------------------------) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Adrian Just to break the pattern, I am not on the GELS list - never got round to it - and would be very happy to see them merged. A list should reflect a community of interest and I think that there is only one here. The work of CCAMP has a wider impact on other SDOs and liaisons form a significant part of CCAMP's work. Where GELS is different is the SDO to liaise with, but I do not see that as justification for a separate list. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri" ; "Zafar Ali (zali)" ; "Attila Takacs (IJ/ETH)" ; ; "gels" Cc: "Ross Callon" Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. --0-1020572678-1189192881=:59428-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Sep 07 15:41:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITjhv-0004h9-MG for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:41:35 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITjhv-0006Mj-2k for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:41:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITjYX-0004XT-6p for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:31:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [62.23.212.27] (helo=smail5.alcatel.fr) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITjYU-0004X9-Ak for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:31:51 +0000 Received: from FRVELSBHS02.ad2.ad.alcatel.com (frvelsbhs02.ad2.ad.alcatel.com [155.132.6.74]) by smail5.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l87JVEfK016164; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:31:14 +0200 Received: from FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com ([155.132.6.56]) by FRVELSBHS02.ad2.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:31:47 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:28:32 +0200 Message-ID: <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E3800132145A@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> In-Reply-To: <054301c7f17e$88545530$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List thread-index: Acfxfo1FWPWaKkHtTI6n07oaVlXTmgAA7BrA References: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9101FB483B@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <014f01c7eb1f$3272db10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <46D7DDC6.8000205@pi.se> <020501c7f068$270d0c20$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9102067D40@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B22ED@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380012B24AF@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <039601c7f12d$69406a40$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380013213D5@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <054301c7f17e$88545530$0302a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri" To: "Adrian Farrel" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2007 19:31:47.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB14B7B0:01C7F185] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.188.13 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 hi adrian, > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20 > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:40 PM > To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri; ccamp@ops.ietf.org > Subject: Re: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > Hi Dimitri, >=20 > >>> beside the fact that there is an assumption on what > >>> label means and how it is represented in data plane > >> > >> This is also something we would expect to describe within > >> CCAMP although "what is a label" would come to us from > >> the data plane specification. > > > > do i interpreet correctly your statement that if the specification > > that CCAMP is going to receive from IEEE does not speak > > about "label" and its encoding there will be no place to discuss > > any "label processing" and "label distribution" protocol in IETF > > - being domain-wide or link-local >=20 > I expect the IEEE specification to define the forwarding paradigm. >=20 > For example: Frames in 802.1Qay are forwarded based on the=20 > checksum value > carried in the frame. >=20 > I expect us to build a GMPLS solution that can be used to=20 > configure/install > that forwarding paradigm. >=20 > If (for example) the destination MAC is the forwarding=20 > trigger, and the > destination MAC is also intended to have genuine network-wide=20 > scope and > identify the recipient of the frame to the whole network,=20 > then the label is > (by definition) network-scoped. >=20 > > in that case, isn't the .1Q specification outside scope of=20 > this effort > > since not referring - as of today at least - to any "label"=20 > semantic as > > part of the Ethernet frame header information field ? >=20 > No. That is like saying that TDM and lambda were out of scope=20 > for GMPLS because their definitions didn't refer to labels. we were confronted to that problem a couple of years ago. the difference with techno's that do not encode label in the "data plane" is that in the present case, the forwarding itself was label value dependent > The point is that a label is the identifier by which traffic=20 > on an interface > may be identified for forwarding. The data plane spec should=20 > indicate what > that identifier is, and we call that a label and have to pass=20 > it around in > signaling. this is already an extended version of a classical label def. now, speaking about "label" switching router induces a behaviour that was not felt "respectful" to the operations of an Ethernet switch. it was felt that the control plane was constraining the fwd'ing plane - in brief, the point was incorporating a source-initiated explicitly routed data path establishment (with or without the associated resource reservation) was inducing behaviour not currently supported by the Ethernet forwarding component - the reason for maintaining the GELS list at that time was explicitly to maintain a place where such discussion could happen > I have no idea whether that means that the .1Q spec is in=20 > scope or not. independently of this i think we're entering the discussion that was the key reason why efforts did not succeed... .1Q spec did not change since then in order to accommodate this. there is a simple hope that another ongoing effort would allow for such kind of behaviour. > A >=20 >=20 >=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Sep 07 16:07:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITk6m-0004jX-9T for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:07:16 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITk6l-00071q-Ch for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:07:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITjzT-0007Ua-1A for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:59:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [64.208.49.5] (helo=smail6.alcatel.fr) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITjzP-0007T9-Kl for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:59:41 +0000 Received: from FRVELSBHS06.ad2.ad.alcatel.com (frvelsbhs06.ad2.ad.alcatel.com [155.132.6.78]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id l87Jwtmu012713; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:58:55 +0200 Received: from FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com ([155.132.6.56]) by FRVELSBHS06.ad2.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:59:25 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:59:20 +0200 Message-ID: <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E38001321463@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> In-Reply-To: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA4113DA7B3@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List thread-index: AcfxLW80ieuPuOItQ0mTVyeeZdSmJAANdDTwAASP4EAAATdYkAABD4IQAAF0v+A= References: <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E380013213D5@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <2ECAA42C79676B42AEBAC11229CA7D0C0106EDCA@E03MVB2-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E38001321453@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA4113DA7B3@zrtphxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri" To: "Don Fedyk" , , , , , , Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2007 19:59:25.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[97900480:01C7F189] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.188.84 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 48472a944c87678fcfe8db15ffecdfff don,=20 interesting 3 years ago you blaim me on the same list when i quoted this definition when discussing applicability of GMPLS to Ethernet ;-) the evolution of Ethernet forwarding components themselves leads to an open issue today compared to the situation we observed a couple of years ago. if this would not be true one would have not seen since this definition has been written end 2000 in rfc3945 that there has been lot's efforts in various bodies involved in Ethernet to incorporate as part of that technology properties that would facilitate Ethernet network operations -- and this due to its expected applicability in environments for which that technology has not been initially designed for -- and this is whole point actually (*) back to the point: when that definition was written down it was understood that adding GMPLS control plane to an Ethernet fowarding plane would lead to address such expectations. nevertheless, we ack'ed since the GELS BoF (held by Loa and myself) in 2005 that the "combination" would be possible if one of the following conditions hold - IEEE provides a data plane spec. that allows accommodating the fwd'ing behaviour determined by GMPLS (and all related routing paradigms) - IEEE ack's that some if its header's field can be processed equivalently to a per-platform/link-local switching "label" with all its resulting implications (if fact the answer was never totally clear at the end) - GMPLS evolves to sustain all control modes connectionless fwd'ing would allow (this option was not even discussed) =20 =3D> hence, the question remains open. i would love to see progress on that matter (at least that IEEE tells us yes or no) but for the time being we're left with unilateral interpretations that are blocking real progress from the std perspective (the problem is mainly not technical ... it is the problem that CCAMP faces each time its prefered control plane protocol suite tries to cover a technology) =20 (*) it was felt 2 or 3 years ago that operators could help and provide us with their expectation in that respect but no real outcome came out of various tentatives to obtain such type of operational feedback > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Fedyk [mailto:dwfedyk@nortel.com]=20 > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:47 PM > To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri; neil.2.harrison@bt.com;=20 > adrian@olddog.co.uk; zali@cisco.com;=20 > Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels@rtg.ietf.org > Cc: rcallon@juniper.net > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 > Dmitri=20 >=20 > Quoting from GMPLS RFC 3945 seems far more applicable given we are > talking a Generalized label switch router (LSR). >=20 > "2. Layer-2 Switch Capable (L2SC) interfaces: >=20 > Interfaces that recognize frame/cell boundaries and can switch > data based on the content of the frame/cell header. Examples > include interfaces on Ethernet bridges that switch data based on > the content of the MAC header and interfaces on ATM-LSRs that > forward data based on the ATM VPI/VCI. " >=20 > Don=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- >=20 > point is:=20 >=20 > whether the ethernet frame header fields can be interpreted=20 > as "labels" > that follows label switching rules applicable to an LSR and=20 > what are the > implications on forwarding component behaviour when considering such > "label encoding" >=20 >=20 > note: per 3031 a label is: a short fixed length physically contiguous > identifier which is used to identify a FEC, usually of local > significance.=20 > =20 > -d. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: neil.2.harrison@bt.com [mailto:neil.2.harrison@bt.com]=20 > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:07 PM > > To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri; adrian@olddog.co.uk;=20 > > zali@cisco.com; Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com;=20 > > ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels@rtg.ietf.org > > Cc: rcallon@juniper.net > > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List > >=20 > > Dimitri wrote 07 September 2007 16:36 in response to Adrian=20 > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > This is also something we would expect to describe within > > > > CCAMP although=20 > > > > "what is a label" would come to us from the data plane=20 > > > specification. > > >=20 > > > do i interpreet correctly your statement that if the=20 > > > specification that CCAMP is going to receive from IEEE does=20 > > > not speak about "label" and its encoding there will be no=20 > > > place to discuss any "label processing" and "label=20 > > > distribution" protocol in IETF - being domain-wide or link-local > > > - > > >=20 > > > in that case, isn't the .1Q specification outside scope of=20 > > > this effort since not referring - as of today at least - to=20 > > > any "label" semantic as part of the Ethernet frame header=20 > > > information field ? > > >=20 > > > thanks, > > > -d. > >=20 > > What do you think a MAC DA, MAC SA and VID are? These are=20 > > all 'labels'. > >=20 > > You also have to remember that the nature of the labels=20 > required in a > > traffic unit are determined by the type of the network mode one is > > dealing with. > >=20 > > In the co-cs and co-ps modes we have a construction known as a > > 'connection'. This implies specific architectural=20 > requirements....but > > the most significant, for this discussion at least, is that a=20 > > connection > > must have a single source. What this means is that one does=20 > > not have to > > incorporate a SA label in a co mode traffic unit....under=20 > defect-free > > conditions it is redundant information as the connection=20 > > itself provides > > the source information. {Compare this to the cl-ps mode=20 > > which does not > > have connections...here having a SA in the traffic unit is=20 > essential} > >=20 > > Ergo why co-cs and co-ps mode technologies to date that respect the > > requirements of a connection have only focussed on=20 > incorporating a DA > > (forwarding) label. Further, these forwarding labels only=20 > need to be > > distinct in resolving some number (N say) of different client layer > > (link-connection) instances within a server layer (network=20 > connection) > > resource partition. However, there are advantages from=20 > > having both a SA > > and DA label in a co-ps traffic unit that are network unique and not > > just link-connection unique (ie not swapped)....the inherent=20 > > robustness > > under misconnectivity defects (without any adjunct OAM=20 > flow) is one of > > these. And of course, these are the nature of the native labels one > > already gets in Ethernet due to its cl-ps mode origins. So=20 > why would > > one even contemplate not using these since they are already there? > >=20 > > The VID label is slightly different in that one can consider it as a > > 'route discriminator label' and a local extension to the SA=20 > > or DA, ie it > > provides the ability to identify disjoint paths between nodal end > > points. > >=20 > > The mere fact IEEE may not refer to the above quantities as 'labels' > > does not change the fact that this is what they are. So=20 > I'm not clear > > what your real point is here. > >=20 > > regards, Neil > >=20 >=20 >=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Sep 07 17:01:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITkwv-00015J-C7 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:01:09 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITkwu-0008Nn-Lc for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:01:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITkrN-000Dc1-M1 for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:55:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [217.32.164.138] (helo=smtp3.smtp.bt.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ITkrK-000DbZ-Ni for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:55:24 +0000 Received: from E03MVB2-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.107]) by smtp3.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:55:21 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:55:07 +0100 Message-ID: <2ECAA42C79676B42AEBAC11229CA7D0C0106EDD6@E03MVB2-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> In-Reply-To: <8144761F31F48D43AD53D09F5350E38001321453@FRVELSMBS22.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closing the GELS Mailing List Thread-Index: AcfxLW80ieuPuOItQ0mTVyeeZdSmJAANdDTwAASP4EAAATdYkAAA1EUA From: To: , , , , , Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2007 20:55:21.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[67937F20:01C7F191] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 OK, thanks. I tend to take my cues from the unified modelling work where I can see (and challenge if need be) the logical derivation of how labelling and resource partitioning work in each network mode....I don't see that degree of rigour in the shorter statement below. Is there something technically incorrect in what I stated previously? regards, Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri > [mailto:Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.be]=20 > Sent: 07 September 2007 19:23 > To: Harrison,N,Neil,JCGA1 R; adrian@olddog.co.uk;=20 > zali@cisco.com; Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com;=20 > ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels@rtg.ietf.org > Cc: rcallon@juniper.net > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List >=20 >=20 > point is: >=20 > whether the ethernet frame header fields can be interpreted > as "labels" that follows label switching rules applicable to=20 > an LSR and what are the implications on forwarding component=20 > behaviour when considering such "label encoding" >=20 >=20 > note: per 3031 a label is: a short fixed length physically > contiguous identifier which is used to identify a FEC,=20 > usually of local significance.=20 > =20 > -d. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: neil.2.harrison@bt.com [mailto:neil.2.harrison@bt.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:07 PM > > To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri; adrian@olddog.co.uk; > > zali@cisco.com; Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com;=20 > > ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels@rtg.ietf.org > > Cc: rcallon@juniper.net > > Subject: RE: Closing the GELS Mailing List > >=20 > > Dimitri wrote 07 September 2007 16:36 in response to Adrian > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > This is also something we would expect to describe within CCAMP > > > > although "what is a label" would come to us from the data plane > > > specification. > > >=20 > > > do i interpreet correctly your statement that if the specification > > > that CCAMP is going to receive from IEEE does not speak about=20 > > > "label" and its encoding there will be no place to discuss any=20 > > > "label processing" and "label distribution" protocol in IETF -=20 > > > being domain-wide or link-local > > > - > > >=20 > > > in that case, isn't the .1Q specification outside scope of this=20 > > > effort since not referring - as of today at least - to any "label" > > > semantic as part of the Ethernet frame header information field ? > > >=20 > > > thanks, > > > -d. > >=20 > > What do you think a MAC DA, MAC SA and VID are? These are all=20 > > 'labels'. > >=20 > > You also have to remember that the nature of the labels > required in a > > traffic unit are determined by the type of the network mode one is > > dealing with. > >=20 > > In the co-cs and co-ps modes we have a construction known as a > > 'connection'. This implies specific architectural=20 > requirements....but > > the most significant, for this discussion at least, is that a > > connection must have a single source. What this means is that one=20 > > does not have to > > incorporate a SA label in a co mode traffic unit....under=20 > defect-free > > conditions it is redundant information as the connection > > itself provides > > the source information. {Compare this to the cl-ps mode=20 > > which does not > > have connections...here having a SA in the traffic unit is=20 > essential} > >=20 > > Ergo why co-cs and co-ps mode technologies to date that respect the > > requirements of a connection have only focussed on=20 > incorporating a DA > > (forwarding) label. Further, these forwarding labels only > need to be > > distinct in resolving some number (N say) of different client layer > > (link-connection) instances within a server layer (network > connection) > > resource partition. However, there are advantages from > having both a > > SA and DA label in a co-ps traffic unit that are network unique and > > not just link-connection unique (ie not swapped)....the inherent > > robustness > > under misconnectivity defects (without any adjunct OAM=20 > flow) is one of > > these. And of course, these are the nature of the native labels one > > already gets in Ethernet due to its cl-ps mode origins. So > why would > > one even contemplate not using these since they are already there? > >=20 > > The VID label is slightly different in that one can > consider it as a > > 'route discriminator label' and a local extension to the SA > or DA, ie > > it provides the ability to identify disjoint paths between nodal end > > points. > >=20 > > The mere fact IEEE may not refer to the above quantities as > 'labels' > > does not change the fact that this is what they are. So > I'm not clear > > what your real point is here. > >=20 > > regards, Neil > >=20 >=20 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Sep 07 17:03:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITkzI-00040P-IQ for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:03:36 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITkzH-0008Rt-8c for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:03:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from