From wrpbhcpf@pandrindustries.com Wed Nov 01 06:55:41 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfEh3-0007oG-Rm for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:55:41 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfEh3-0004BP-Nu for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:55:41 -0500 Received: from dsl51b6c635.pool.t-online.hu ([81.182.198.53]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfEgv-0008NY-UE for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:55:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c6fdac$a213d9d0$35c6b651@bolla65aa59452> From: "hidden deep" To: ccamp-archive@ietf.org Subject: under rule Subjugated Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:55:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6FDB5.03D841D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 515708a075ffdf0a79d1c83b601e2afd ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6FDB5.03D841D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C6FDB5.03D841D0" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C6FDB5.03D841D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Riveting pace gripping or made. Friendly Estimated Cost Itemground = Service Cont Usfree Calculate Frances. Maker or Bunn Delonghi Dualit = Hamilton Beach Melitta. Turns political intrigue combine form years a exciting refined touch. = Tiniest mothers sturdiest. Cg sequences special Collectors in. Ense at discounted rate. Deeper data erased a seasoned mmo must start a. Fortress anytime or = attacked switch parties use left. Daishiro Okada President is coo Were of also or very pleased be. Kosuke = Fujishima design work ah Goddess in. Evolve grow now raising derived play am style. Teeming is hundreds build = avatars into warriors of Guardians. Combine a form years exciting = refined touch hearts after or? Feel pain sacrifice could am save. Bunn Delonghi Dualit Hamilton a = Beach. Wield destined is unite divided. Nationwide today a musthave season = following fon Fabrewho is confined familys. Riveting pace gripping or made. Ergonomic quilted or belt of. Begin = affect of reality Haseo a quest. Treat here boy in do you would. Bugaboo Stroller Bertini Inglesina is. Mysteries am behind Empires invasion. Diaper Bags Bumkins bag Hottie = Tottie? Turns political intrigue combine form years a exciting refined = touch. Cinematics Dolby pro a Logic ii combined realtime rivaling those. Divided lives Cyrille am sorceress fights am her homeland bring. Bereft royal family. Friendly Estimated Cost Itemground Service Cont = Usfree Calculate Frances. ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C6FDB5.03D841D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Riveting pace gripping or made. = Friendly Estimated=20 Cost Itemground Service Cont Usfree Calculate Frances. Maker or Bunn = Delonghi=20 Dualit Hamilton Beach Melitta.
Turns political intrigue combine form = years a=20 exciting refined touch. Tiniest mothers sturdiest.
Cg sequences = special=20 Collectors in. Ense at discounted rate.
Deeper data erased a seasoned = mmo=20 must start a. Fortress anytime or attacked switch parties use = left.
Daishiro=20 Okada President is coo Were of also or very pleased be. Kosuke Fujishima = design=20 work ah Goddess in.
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Feel pain sacrifice could am save. = Bunn=20 Delonghi Dualit Hamilton a Beach.
Wield destined is unite divided. = Nationwide=20 today a musthave season following fon Fabrewho is confined = familys.
Riveting=20 pace gripping or made. Ergonomic quilted or belt of. Begin affect of = reality=20 Haseo a quest. Treat here boy in do you would.
Bugaboo Stroller = Bertini=20 Inglesina is.
Mysteries am behind Empires invasion. Diaper Bags = Bumkins bag=20 Hottie Tottie? Turns political intrigue combine form years a exciting = refined=20 touch.
Cinematics Dolby pro a Logic ii combined realtime rivaling=20 those.
Divided lives Cyrille am sorceress fights am her homeland=20 bring.
Bereft royal family. Friendly Estimated Cost Itemground = Service Cont=20 Usfree Calculate Frances.
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He goes a'sorrowing who goes a'borrowing If the cap= fits, wear it. From the Robert Frost poem 'Mending Wall'. Tomorrow is anot= her day. God cures and the physician takes the fee. You can catch more flies with ho= ney than with vinegar. There's no accounting for taste. Raining cats and dogs. Success is a journey not a destination. The key to a= ll action lies in belief. A woman's work is never done. Don't have too many irons in the fire. If the mountain won't come to Muhamm= ad, Muhammad must go to the mountain.. Possible Interpretation: Not everyth= ing is what it appears to be. A good man in an evil society seems the great= est villain of all. It's better to have loved and lost than never to have l= oved at all. This too, shall pass. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. The end justifies the means. It= was probably a waste of time anyway. When your only tool is a hammer, ever= y problem looks like a nail. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you f= eed him for a lifetime. If it is broken, fix it... with duct tape. All cats= love fish but hate to get their paws wet. Talk of the devil - and the devi= l appears. If you want what you've never had, you must do what you've never= done. (Tito D) ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01C7009C.2826AD30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Honesty is the best policy. = A watched kettle never boils. Life's what happens while you make other plan= s. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Possible Interpretation: liv= ing life to its fullest
No hoof, no horse. Starve a = cold, feed a fever. From Occam's Razor where the simplest explanation is th= e most likely. Possible Interpretation: Do not look for faults in a somethi= ng recieved as a gift. Love is blind. You can't have your cake and eat it t= oo.

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Fools rush in where angels f= ear to tread. Long experience of someone or something can make one so aware= of the faults as to be scornful. A cat may look at a king. It's never too = late to mend. The one who dies with the most toys, still dies.
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All hat and no cattle. Follo= wup: And we all know what May flowers bring...Pilgrims. Why pay for the cow= when the milk is free? Beauty is only skin deep. Don't shut the barn door = after the horse is gone. Possible Interpretation: Do the task while it is p= ossible.
Beggars can't be choosers. P= ossible Interpretation: Never give up. Variant for slow risers: The early w= orm gets eaten by the birds. All for one and one for all. From "The Three M= uscuteers" of Alexandre Dumas pere. Live and let die. Why worry? If you wor= ry - you die. If you don't worry - you'll still die. So why worry? A woman'= s work is never done. Practice makes perfect. Mouth is in gear, brain is in= neutral
He that will steal an egg wi= ll steal an ox. God cures and the physician takes the fee. You lose some...= and you win some... and some you don't even bother to play. Variant: Bette= r to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.<= /FONT>
Don't cut off your nose to s= pite your face. Ignorance is bliss. Kill two birds with one stone. If you w= ant what you've never had, you must do what you've never done. (Tito D) Mou= th is in gear, brain is in neutral Seek and ye shall find. Alternative: Red= sky at night: sailor's delight. Red sky in the morning: sailor take warnin= g.
The way to a man's heart is = through his stomach. (attributed to Ania Ras, Poland) A burnt child dreads = fire Heaven hath no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor Hell a fury like a= woman scorned. There is no 'I' in TEAM, but there is a ME Look on the sunn= y side of life. Interpretation: Do not hinder your own actions or the actio= ns of others to spite some one.
The early bird gets the worm= , but the second mouse gets the cheese. Rats desert a sinking ship. Don't t= ake any wooden nickels. Time flies when you're having fun. Alternate versio= n: In for a dime, in for a dollar.
The best things in life are = free. Nothing succeeds like success. Joined proverb: A stitch in time will = save the cracked pitcher from going longest to the well A loaded wagon make= s no noise. He who laughs last, thinks slowest.No man can serve two masters=
Possible Interpretation: It = is always easy to see your mistakes after they occur. Beauty is only skin d= eep, but ugliness goes straight to the bone. If you practice wrong you will= always do it wrong No crows, no cares. A little knowledge is dangerous. Dr= ink deep, or taste not the puritan waters Alternately, If it ain't broke, d= on't fix it. Possible Interpretation: Seize the moment. Take the opportunit= y now; don't waste it. Possible Interpretation: What you do now reflects up= on what will happen later.
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d890c9ddd0b0a61e8c597ad30c1c2176          毎日設定5〜6の台をお知らせ致します。  情報が確かなのか、まずは見学をしてお確かめ下さい         http://slot.namaste.jp/ ■■■■■高額日払い。即、日収4万円以上(最低保証)■■■■■ ┏━━━━━━━●募集人数限定●━━━━━━━┓           プレイスタッフ      業務拡大につき緊急大募集!! ┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛  〜稼げ月収100万円以上!!目指せパチンコ御殿〜        ◆貴方は今の生活に満足ですか?◆   ↓夢を現実にするなら↓    ↓直接お問い合わせ↓   http://slot.namaste.jp/      0120-197-028    ■ソフトウエーブプレイスタッフ  先月の月収例 174万 稼働日数21日 ○愛知県在住:39歳 鏑木さん  私は、昔からスロットが好きで負けが続いていると きもやり続けていました。どうにか勝てないかと悩ん でいたある日広告でソフトウエーブのことを知り、 最初は半信半疑で問い合わせをしました。しかし、ス タッフの方の親切な対応、わかりやすい説明を受けて 登録を決めました。。その後、プレイスタッフとして 実際にホールに行ってみると言われたことをこなすだ けできっちり収支をあげることができました。「本当 にこんなことってあるんだな」というのが正直な感想 です。  それからは負けることも無く、大好きなスロットを しながら貯金も貯まるという毎日です。これもソフト ウエーブ様のおかげです。これからも宜しくお願いし ます。 ◆ソフトウエーブ情報管理部 小林から  鏑木さん、いつもながらおめでとうございます。欲 しがっていたBMW7シリーズですが、もしかして、 そろそろ買えるのでは?? ↓薔薇色の人生はこちら↓ http://slot.namaste.jp/ ■ソフトウェーブプレイスタッフ  先月の月収例 86万 稼働日数9日 ○神奈川県在住:24歳 芹沢さん(主婦)  私は主婦と子育てをしながらなので、打つ時間が限 られていますが、ソフトウエーブさんのおかげで効率 良く稼いでいます。この前なんて、ソフトウエーブさ んに連絡してホールに行ったら、北斗の拳で連荘しま 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ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:56:09 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([130.129.65.90] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:56:12 +0000 Message-ID: <04a901c701e5$fa99caf0$9015a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Drafts not discussed Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:55:16 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2006 20:56:12.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE1424A0:01C701E5] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Hi, Sorry that we didn't get to discuss some of your drafts in the meeting today. Please read the slides on line and discuss on the mailing list. A PS We have decided that we need more time at the next IETF meeting From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 06 17:19:55 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhCot-0004Ey-F3 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:19:55 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhCos-0004jZ-77 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:19:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhCfD-000BvN-Dc for ccamp-data@psg.com; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:09:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [64.233.162.200] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhCfC-000Bv8-Lf for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:09:55 +0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 18so1124612nzp for ; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:09:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TNLIp+ZMLP3Ci53S3YiuHlmhzZ2ibTp6LNbuJpQv7bKiI6kBfNZFphklTX++6RBosehyInVu9ml3PTQcXgFRRqdbUvAtZ/bUInenOjPsfxCrssWppZ81bX9Cn6Z4sPGpSO2X1lUqy09mHs9sc/cQfIe4LmPH1A+srwyVx5dHz20= Received: by 10.64.156.1 with SMTP id d1mr6432410qbe.1162850993282; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.231.1 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:09:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <406e32c00611061409k400e1676y3b0fb004350c8794@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:09:53 -0500 From: "Peng He" To: "Adrian Farrel" Subject: Re: Drafts not discussed Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <04a901c701e5$fa99caf0$9015a8c0@your029b8cecfe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <04a901c701e5$fa99caf0$9015a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Yes, I just went to the l2vpn meeting, it was finished within an hour but with a reservation of 2 hours. On 11/6/06, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry that we didn't get to discuss some of your drafts in the meeting > today. > > Please read the slides on line and discuss on the mailing list. > > A > > PS We have decided that we need more time at the next IETF meeting > > > > From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 06 18:08:23 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhDZn-0002Pe-9q for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:08:23 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhDZk-0003Fz-MM for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:08:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhDRs-000Gy5-8G for ccamp-data@psg.com; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:00:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [168.127.0.57] (helo=fncnmp04.fnc.fujitsu.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhDRq-000Gxj-N1 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:00:11 +0000 Received: from rchemx01.fnc.net.local ([168.127.134.104]) by fncnmp04.fnc.fujitsu.com with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2006 17:00:11 -0600 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,392,1157346000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="40482347:sNHT26847408" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C701F7.4EC80365" Subject: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:00:09 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID Thread-Index: AccB1vgdtPWOM003QyOIi+qPTPXa6A== From: "Bardalai, Snigdho" To: "ccamp" Cc: Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 963faf56c3a5b6715f0b71b66181e01a This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F7.4EC80365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dimitri, =20 As mentioned in today's meeting I have the following questions on this ID: =20 1. The Addressing Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an = addressable IP address i.e. one can ping this address. =20 The ID needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON. =20 2. Upward / downward LSA transformation =20 When LSAs are exported from one level to another then these LSAs = need to be transformed. The ID does not clearly specify how the transformation = takes place. =20 The specific scenarios are: + Upward LSA transformation - what values are used for the adv = Router ID, Router Address and LINK ID ? + Downward LSA transformation - what values are used (for above = mentioned fields) ? =20 3. TE Links LSAs =20 From reading the ID I can infer that every TE link advertised at a = particular level needs to be a link between 2 routers i.e. Router ID, because the = LINK ID MUST be set to the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630. =20 In that case when there is only one router for a set of TE nodes = then how will the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single = router. Or is it expected that these TE link LSAs never get advertised by that single = router (i.e. all TE nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ? =20 4. Upward / downward discovery and selection =20 The ID describes a procedure by which routers can automatically = discover and select the upward and downward speaker router. =20 It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a = router ID larger than its own and the U or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting = LSAs.=20 =20 What is not clear is that how does the router with the highest router = ID know when to start importing or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge which = is the current speaker and there is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped = importing or exporting LSAs. =20 Could you please explain how this works ? =20 Thanks, Snigdho ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F7.4EC80365 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=
Hi Dimitri,
=0A=
 
=0A=
As mentioned in today's meeting I have = the =0A= following questions on this
=0A=
ID:
=0A=
 
=0A=
1. The Addressing Draft requires = that the TERouterID =0A= to be an addressable IP
=0A=
    address i.e. =0A= one can ping this address.
=0A=
 
=0A=
    The ID =0A= needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON.
=0A=
 
=0A=
2. Upward / downward LSA =0A= transformation
=0A=
 
=0A=
    When LSAs are = exported from one =0A= level to another then these LSAs need to be
=0A=
    transformed. The ID = does not =0A= clearly specify how the transformation takes place.
=0A=
 
=0A=
    The specific = scenarios =0A= are:
=0A=
    + Upward LSA = transformation =0A= - what values are used for the adv Router ID, Router =0A= Address
=0A=
       = and LINK ID =0A= ?
=0A=
    + Downward LSA = transformation - what =0A= values are used (for above mentioned fields) ?
=0A=
 
=0A=
3. TE Links LSAs
=0A=
 
=0A=
    From reading the ID = I can infer =0A= that every TE link advertised at a particular level
=0A=
    needs to be a link = between 2 =0A= routers i.e. Router ID, because the LINK ID MUST
=0A=
    be set to the = neighboring =0A= router's Router ID as per RFC 3630.
=0A=
 
=0A=
    In that case when = there is only =0A= one router for a set of TE nodes then how will
=0A=
    the TE link LSAs = look like when =0A= they get advertised by that single router. Or is it
=0A=
    expected that these = TE link LSAs never get advertised by that single =0A= router
=0A=
    (i.e. all TE nodes = must =0A= get represented as = an abstract =0A= node) ?
=0A=
 
=0A=
4. Upward / downward discovery and =0A= selection
=0A=
 
=0A=
   The ID describes a = procedure by which =0A= routers can automatically discover and select
=0A=
   the upward and downward = speaker =0A= router.
=0A=
 
=0A=
   It is quite =0A= clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a router ID = larger =0A= than
=0A=
   its own and the U =0A= or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting =0A= LSAs. 
=0A=
 
=0A=
   What is not clear =0A= is that how does the router with the highest router ID know when =0A= to
=0A=
   start importing =0A= or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge which is the = current
=0A=
   speaker and there =0A= is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped importing or =0A= exporting
=0A=
   =0A= LSAs.
=0A=
 
=0A=
   Could you please =0A= explain how this works ?
=0A=
 
=0A=
Thanks,
=0A=
Snigdho
------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F7.4EC80365-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 06 18:14:42 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhDfu-0006Is-QP for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:14:42 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhDfs-00044i-6c for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:14:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhDbJ-000HmN-Np for ccamp-data@psg.com; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:09:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [168.127.0.56] (helo=fncnmp03.fnc.fujitsu.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhDbI-000Hlz-Jj for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:09:57 +0000 Received: from rchemx01.fnc.net.local ([168.127.134.104]) by fncnmp03.fnc.fujitsu.com with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2006 17:09:55 -0600 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,392,1157346000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="59868280:sNHT32740840" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C701F8.AC48050D" Subject: RE: Some questions on LMP Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:09:55 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Some questions on LMP Thread-Index: AccB99T91rrPVVo5ROmiqwKkz4oHKw== From: "Bardalai, Snigdho" To: "Bardalai, Snigdho" , "ccamp" Cc: Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ded6070f7eed56e10c4f4d0d5043d9c7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F8.AC48050D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All: CC: Jonathan P. Lang =20 I had sent these questions on LMP some time back. I have'nt heard any response since. I am anxious to get some response. =20 Thanks, Snigdho ________________________________ From: Bardalai, Snigdho Sent: Tue 10/24/2006 7:17 PM To: ccamp Cc: jplang@ieee.org Subject: Some questions on LMP Hi, I have a few questions on LMP. Would like to hear back some opinions on these. First question - Section 9 on "Addressing" mentions that a Config message over a non-point-to-point link (which could mean an ethernet link), must be sent with the destination IP set to the unicast IP address of the neighboring node. Considering a scenario where there are 2 nodes that has mutliple control-channels 1) an out-of-fiber one over a non-point-to-point link 2) an in-fiber one over a point-to-point link Since there is no guarantee that the Config message with the unicast destination IP address meant for control-channel 1) will not get routed out on the point-to-point link what measures should the neighboring node take to properly map the Config message to the correct instance of the control-channel ? Next question - Does RFC4204 consider network reconfiguration scenarios ? For example, if graceful restart is enabled control-channel re-establishment is done using the unicast IP address of the neighboring node in the Config message that was recovered from, say, the non-volatile storage database. At what point in time will the Config message destination IP address switch to the multicast IP address (assuming the control-channel is over a point-to-point link) ? Last question - Graceful restart requires the following (extracted from Section 8): If, however, the node was not capable of retaining the LMP link information across a restart, the node MUST accept the data link parameters of the received LinkSummary message and respond with a LinkSummaryAck message. Should a node not capable of retaining any information across a restart respond with a LinkSummaryAck in case link verification is enabled ? The issue is the information that is being accepted may not be correct. Thanks, Snigdho ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F8.AC48050D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Some questions on LMP=0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A=
All:
=0A=
CC: Jonathan P. = Lang
=0A=
 
=0A=
I had sent these questions on LMP some time back. I = have'nt =0A= heard
=0A=
any response since. I am anxious to get some = response.
=0A=
 
=0A=
Thanks,
=0A=
Snigdho
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
From: Bardalai, =0A= Snigdho
Sent: Tue 10/24/2006 7:17 PM
To: = ccamp
Cc: =0A= jplang@ieee.org
Subject: Some questions on = LMP

=0A=
=0A=

Hi,

I have a few questions on LMP. Would like = to hear =0A= back some opinions on
these.

First question -

Section 9 = on =0A= "Addressing" mentions that a Config message over = a
non-point-to-point
link =0A= (which could mean an ethernet link), must be sent with = the
destination IP set =0A= to
the unicast IP address of the neighboring node.

Considering = a =0A= scenario where there are 2 nodes that has = mutliple
control-channels
1) an =0A= out-of-fiber one over a non-point-to-point link
2) an in-fiber one = over a =0A= point-to-point link

Since there is no guarantee that the Config = message =0A= with the unicast
destination IP address
meant for control-channel = 1) will =0A= not get routed out on the
point-to-point link what
measures should = the =0A= neighboring node take to properly map the Config
message to = the
correct =0A= instance of the control-channel ?

Next question -

Does = RFC4204 =0A= consider network reconfiguration scenarios ? For example,
if =0A= graceful
restart is enabled control-channel re-establishment is done = using =0A= the
unicast IP address
of the neighboring node in the Config = message that =0A= was recovered from,
say, the non-volatile
storage database. At = what point =0A= in time will the Config message
destination IP address
switch to = the =0A= multicast IP address (assuming the control-channel is over
a =0A= point-to-point
link) ?

Last question -

Graceful restart =0A= requires the following (extracted from Section 8):

   = If, =0A= however, the node was not capable of retaining
   the LMP = link =0A= information across a restart, the node MUST accept the
   = data link =0A= parameters of the received LinkSummary message and = respond
   with =0A= a LinkSummaryAck message.

Should a node not capable of retaining = any =0A= information across a restart
respond with a LinkSummaryAck in case = link =0A= verification is enabled ?
The issue is the information that is being = accepted =0A= may not be =0A= correct.

Thanks,
Snigdho



=0A= =0A= =0A= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F8.AC48050D-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 06 19:19:38 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhEgk-0002HX-Er for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:19:38 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhEgL-0006wJ-Fu for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:19:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhEYu-000O91-1C for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:11:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhEYr-000O8H-D0; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:11:30 +0000 Message-ID: <454FCF57.2030707@psg.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:12:07 +0100 From: dimitri papadimitriou Reply-To: dpapadimitriou@psg.com, dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bardalai, Snigdho" CC: ccamp , rabbat@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b hi - see inline Bardalai, Snigdho wrote: > Hi Dimitri, > > As mentioned in today's meeting I have the following questions on this > ID: > > 1. The Addressing Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an addressable IP > address i.e. one can ping this address. > > The ID needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON. isn't section 5.1 clear enough concerning this TE Router ID usage ? note that ASON does not list requirements on TE Router ID itself (since implementation independent) > 2. Upward / downward LSA transformation > > When LSAs are exported from one level to another then these LSAs need to be > transformed. The ID does not clearly specify how the transformation takes place. > > The specific scenarios are: > + Upward LSA transformation - what values are used for the adv Router ID, Router Address > and LINK ID ? see below > + Downward LSA transformation - what values are used (for above mentioned fields) ? only case where there is any information processing is in case of reachability such as to aggregate information for the rest everything there is no processing of the opaque LSA information - concerning the adv.router_id i will add a statement in next revision (without any surprise here) > 3. TE Links LSAs > > From reading the ID I can infer that every TE link advertised at a particular level > needs to be a link between 2 routers i.e. Router ID, because the LINK ID MUST > be set to the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630. yes - there is no need to change anything from that perspective > In that case when there is only one router for a set of TE nodes then how will > the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single router. Or is it > expected that these TE link LSAs never get advertised by that single router > (i.e. all TE nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ? ok i see ... there is no advertizement of internal structure of abstract nodes otherwise make use of the logical link case - see RFC 4652 > 4. Upward / downward discovery and selection > > The ID describes a procedure by which routers can automatically discover and select > the upward and downward speaker router. > > It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a router ID larger than > its own and the U or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting LSAs. > > What is not clear is that how does the router with the highest router ID know when to > start importing or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge which is the current > speaker and there is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped importing or exporting > LSAs. > > Could you please explain how this works ? hysteresis mechanisms is expained in section 6.2.1 prevents from disturbing the routing information dissemination process once selection has been performed - so the condition you are describing does not occur if import/export is already in place hope this clarifies - d. > Thanks, > Snigdho > From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 06 21:55:25 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhH7V-0002ox-FP for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:55:25 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhH7U-0004o6-7e for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:55:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhGzY-000BIS-UF for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:47:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GhGzX-000BIB-R6; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:47:12 +0000 Message-ID: <454FF3D8.3070107@psg.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:47:52 +0100 From: dimitri papadimitriou Reply-To: dpapadimitriou@psg.com, dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Farrel CC: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Drafts not discussed References: <04a901c701e5$fa99caf0$9015a8c0@your029b8cecfe> In-Reply-To: <04a901c701e5$fa99caf0$9015a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a adrian > PS We have decided that we need more time at the next IETF meeting does it mean wg is going to ask for two slots for next meeting to the iesg ? thanks, - d. Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry that we didn't get to discuss some of your drafts in the meeting > today. > > Please read the slides on line and discuss on the mailing list. > > A > > PS We have decided that we need more time at the next IETF meeting > > > > . > From bzavihdpyfs@umn.edu Mon Nov 06 23:06:58 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhIEk-00016C-0s for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:06:58 -0500 Received: from y84-59-181.ej186.umn.edu ([134.84.59.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhIEi-0003gE-96 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c70222$28d3c7e0$b53b5486@hkzjzyh2ktf708> From: "Andersen." 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OSPF-TE ID Thread-Index: AccCAUj/gl1SayniTX2VOl1CYR9MFQAFxayZ From: "Bardalai, Snigdho" To: , Cc: "ccamp" , Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 75ac735ede4d089f7192d230671d536e This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70231.81A1A0AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dimitri, =20 Thanks for your responses. Please see in-line for [SCB] =20 Snigdho =20 =20 ________________________________ From: dimitri papadimitriou [mailto:dpapadimitriou@psg.com] Sent: Mon 11/6/2006 6:12 PM To: Bardalai, Snigdho Cc: ccamp; rabbat@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID hi - see inline Bardalai, Snigdho wrote: > Hi Dimitri, >=20 > As mentioned in today's meeting I have the following questions on this > ID: >=20 > 1. The Addressing Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an = addressable IP > address i.e. one can ping this address. >=20 > The ID needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON. isn't section 5.1 clear enough concerning this TE Router ID usage ? [SCB] I am a bit confused because as per RFC3630 each router can only advertise one router address top level TLV. In case a router represents "N" TE nodes then there can be multiple TE Router = IDs. My question is - which TE Router ID can be set in the router = address TLV ? note that ASON does not list requirements on TE Router ID itself (since implementation independent) [SCB] OK. > 2. Upward / downward LSA transformation >=20 > When LSAs are exported from one level to another then these LSAs = need to be > transformed. The ID does not clearly specify how the = transformation takes place. >=20 > The specific scenarios are: > + Upward LSA transformation - what values are used for the adv = Router ID, Router Address > and LINK ID ? see below > + Downward LSA transformation - what values are used (for above = mentioned fields) ? only case where there is any information processing is in case of reachability such as to aggregate information for the rest everything there is no processing of the opaque LSA information - [SCB] What about downward dissemination of higher level topology = elements ?=20 concerning the adv.router_id i will add a statement in next revision (without any surprise here) [SCB] OK, and what about the associated TE Router ID for the = reachability information ? > 3. TE Links LSAs >=20 > From reading the ID I can infer that every TE link advertised at a = particular level > needs to be a link between 2 routers i.e. Router ID, because the = LINK ID MUST > be set to the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630. yes - there is no need to change anything from that perspective > In that case when there is only one router for a set of TE nodes = then how will > the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single = router. Or is it > expected that these TE link LSAs never get advertised by that = single router > (i.e. all TE nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ? ok i see ... there is no advertizement of internal structure of abstract nodes otherwise make use of the logical link case - see RFC 4652 =20 [SCB] So are we saying logical links are limited to cases 1 & 2 ? > 4. Upward / downward discovery and selection >=20 > The ID describes a procedure by which routers can automatically = discover and select > the upward and downward speaker router. >=20 > It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with = a router ID larger than > its own and the U or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting = LSAs. >=20 > What is not clear is that how does the router with the highest = router ID know when to > start importing or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge = which is the current > speaker and there is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped = importing or exporting > LSAs. >=20 > Could you please explain how this works ? hysteresis mechanisms is expained in section 6.2.1 prevents from disturbing the routing information dissemination process once selection has been performed - so the condition you are describing does not occur if import/export is already in place. =20 [SCB] There are 2 types of information that is being discussed here - 1. regular routing information being flooded in the area 2. upward / downward routing information =20 The rule is that the router with the highest router ID will = disseminate the upward / downward information. The router with the = highest router ID is identified using the regular routing information being = flooded in the area. =20 Now a new router is added which is the highest router ID. = This router must NOT disseminate upward/downward routing information even = though it has the highest router ID because another router is already = selected. How does it figure out that it must NOT disseminate the upward / = downward routing information i.e. another router is already selected for the job ? hope this clarifies - d. > Thanks, > Snigdho > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70231.81A1A0AB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID=0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A=
Hi = Dimitri,
=0A=
 
=0A=
Thanks for = your responses. =0A= Please see in-line for [SCB]
=0A=
 
=0A=
Snigdho
=0A=
 
=0A=
 
=0A=

=0A=
=0A= From: dimitri papadimitriou =0A= [mailto:dpapadimitriou@psg.com]
Sent: Mon 11/6/2006 6:12 =0A= PM
To: Bardalai, Snigdho
Cc: ccamp; =0A= rabbat@alum.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON = OSPF-TE =0A= ID

=0A=
=0A=

hi - see inline

Bardalai, Snigdho = wrote:

> Hi =0A= Dimitri,

> As mentioned in today's meeting I have = the =0A= following questions on this
> ID:

> 1. The = Addressing =0A= Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an addressable =0A= IP
>     address i.e. one can ping this =0A= address.

>     The ID needs to = clearly =0A= state what is the requirement for ASON.

isn't section 5.1 clear = enough =0A= concerning this TE Router ID usage ?

=0A=
[SCB] I am a bit confused because as per RFC3630 = each router =0A= can only
=0A=
           =0A= advertise one router address top level TLV. In case a = router
=0A=
          &nbs= p;represents =0A= "N" TE nodes then there can be multiple TE Router IDs.
=0A=
           =0A= My question is - which TE Router ID can be set in the router =0A= address
=0A=
           =0A= TLV ?

note that ASON does not list requirements on TE Router ID = itself =0A= (since
implementation independent)
=0A=

[SCB] OK.

> 2. Upward / downward LSA =0A= transformation

>     When LSAs = are =0A= exported from one level to another then these LSAs need to =0A= be
>     transformed. The ID does not clearly = specify =0A= how the transformation takes =0A= place.

>     The specific = scenarios =0A= are:
>     + Upward LSA transformation - what = values =0A= are used for the adv Router ID, Router =0A= Address
>        and LINK ID =0A= ?

see below

>     + Downward LSA =0A= transformation - what values are used (for above mentioned fields) = ?

only =0A= case where there is any information processing is in case = of
reachability =0A= such as to aggregate information

for the rest everything there is = no =0A= processing of the opaque LSA
information -

=0A=

[SCB] What about downward dissemination of higher = level topology =0A= elements ?

=0A=

concerning the adv.router_id i will add a statement in = next =0A= revision
(without any surprise here)

=0A=

[SCB] OK, and what about the associated TE Router = ID for =0A= the reachability information ?

> 3. TE Links =0A= LSAs

>     From reading the ID I = can =0A= infer that every TE link advertised at a particular =0A= level
>     needs to be a link between 2 = routers i.e. =0A= Router ID, because the LINK ID MUST
>     be = set to =0A= the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630.

yes - there = is no =0A= need to change anything from that =0A= perspective

>     In that case when there = is only =0A= one router for a set of TE nodes then how = will
>     =0A= the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single = router. Or is =0A= it
>     expected that these TE link LSAs = never get =0A= advertised by that single router
>     (i.e. = all TE =0A= nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ?

ok i see ... = there is =0A= no advertizement of internal structure of abstract
nodes otherwise = make use =0A= of the logical link case - see RFC 4652

=0A=
 
=0A=
[SCB] So are we saying logical links are limited to cases = 1 & =0A= 2 ?
=0A=

> 4. Upward / downward discovery and =0A= selection

>    The ID describes a = procedure =0A= by which routers can automatically discover and = select
>    =0A= the upward and downward speaker = router.

>    =0A= It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a = router ID =0A= larger than
>    its own and the U or D bit set it = will =0A= stop importing or exporting = LSAs.

>    What =0A= is not clear is that how does the router with the highest router ID know = when =0A= to
>    start importing or exporting LSAs, because = it has =0A= no knowledge which is the current
>    speaker and = there is =0A= no clear way to figure out when it has stopped importing or =0A= exporting
>    =0A= LSAs.

>    Could you please explain = how this =0A= works ?

hysteresis mechanisms is expained in section 6.2.1 = prevents =0A= from
disturbing the routing information dissemination process once =0A= selection
has been performed - so the condition you are describing = does not =0A= occur
if import/export is already in place.
=0A=
 
=0A=
[SCB] There are 2 types of information that is being discussed here = -
=0A=
            = 1. =0A= regular routing information being flooded in the area
=0A=
            = 2. =0A= upward / downward routing information
=0A=
 
=0A=
           Th= e rule =0A= is that the router with the highest router ID will disseminate
=0A=
           the = upward / =0A= downward information. The router with the highest router ID
=0A=
           is = identified =0A= using the regular routing information being flooded in the area.
=0A=
 
=0A=
           Now a = new =0A= router is added which is the highest router ID. This router
=0A=
           mu= st NOT =0A= disseminate upward/downward routing information even though it
=0A=
           has = the =0A= highest router ID because another router is already selected. How = does
=0A=
           it = figure out =0A= that it must NOT disseminate the upward / downward routing = information
=0A=
           i.e. = another =0A= router is already selected for the job ?
=0A=

hope this clarifies
- d.



> Thanks,
> =0A= Snigdho
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better feelings than you are supposing. they have known her much lo= nger than they have known me;
apologising if he thought he won too many.= sir william did not say much. he was storing his memory
"you, who so we= ll know my feeling towards mr. darcy, will readily comprehend how sincerely=
elizabeth called out:
but i hope you will believe us grateful for th= e condescension, and that we have done everything in our
address and exp= ressions, or the word will be but half-deserved."
book-room, which front= ed the road. the room in which the ladies sat was backwards. elizabeth had = at
and the hospitality and politeness which had marked their behaviour t= o their guests. darcy said nothing
delicacy she was sure her opinion cou= ld never be shaken, and for whose happiness she grew daily
come, kitty, = i want you upstairs." and, gathering her work together, she was hastening a= way, when
"but upon my honour, i do not . i do assure you that my intima= cy has not yet taught me that .
elizabeth was surprised, but agreed to i= t immediately. miss bingley succeeded no less in the real
"she is abomin= ably rude to keep charlotte out of doors in all this wind. why does she not= come
connections?-to congratulate myself on the hope of relations, whos= e condition in life is so decidedly
called on his sister to join him in = expressing their wish of seeing mr. and mrs. gardiner, and miss
complime= nt."
but it was not in her power to give any information of so satisfact= ory a nature as the compliment
been to persuade her to quit her present = disgraceful situation, and return to her friends as soon as they
crushin= g it. steady to his purpose, he scarcely spoke ten words to her through the= whole of saturday,
by bringing her into derbyshire, had been the means = of uniting them.
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id kA81Z8W20733; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:35:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4551343A.401@us.fujitsu.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:34:50 -0800 From: Richard Rabbat User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp CC: Snigdho Bardalai , lidan 37133 , Huub van Helvoort , Diego Caviglia , "julien.meuric" , jingrq@ctbri.com.cn, gjhhit@huawei.com Subject: further clarification about time-slot interchange Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Hi all, W/r to time-slot interchange vs. time-slot allocation, here is the reference to TSI not being allowed in G.841 (10/98) on page 49 item 10: 10) Ring utilization criteria - Time-slot interchange will allow better utilization of bandwidth of the ring. If Time-Slot Interchange (TSI) is allowed, the traffic having a time-slot interchange through the failed location may or may not be restored. It is for further study whether TSI shall be allowed, and if allowed, whether traffic having time-slot interchange through the failed location will be restored. Basically, even though TSI would be desirable, at this time, there is no solution that uses TSI and can restore traffic hence if restoration is required then TSI is not allowed as per the current definition of the MS-SPRing standards. Hence, the need for TSA. We hope this helps clarify the issue. 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Please see in-line for [SCB] Snigdho From: dimitri papadimitriou [mailto:dpapadimitriou@psg.com] Sent: Mon 11/6/2006 6:12 PM To: Bardalai, Snigdho Cc: ccamp; rabbat@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID hi - see inline Bardalai, Snigdho wrote: > Hi Dimitri, > > As mentioned in today's meeting I have the following questions on this > ID: > > 1. The Addressing Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an addressable IP > address i.e. one can ping this address. > > The ID needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON. isn't section 5.1 clear enough concerning this TE Router ID usage ? [SCB] I am a bit confused because as per RFC3630 each router can only advertise one router address top level TLV. In case a router represents "N" TE nodes then there can be multiple TE Router IDs. My question is - which TE Router ID can be set in the router address TLV ? [dp] and this document does also advertize one router_address top level TLV (not multiple per TE LSA), not because there is a TE router ID associated to each Li that multiple router_address TLV are being used within a given TE LSA - note that ASON does not list requirements on TE Router ID itself (since implementation independent) [SCB] OK. > 2. Upward / downward LSA transformation > > When LSAs are exported from one level to another then these LSAs need to be > transformed. The ID does not clearly specify how the transformation takes place. > > The specific scenarios are: > + Upward LSA transformation - what values are used for the adv Router ID, Router Address > and LINK ID ? see below > + Downward LSA transformation - what values are used (for above mentioned fields) ? only case where there is any information processing is in case of reachability such as to aggregate information for the rest everything there is no processing of the opaque LSA information - [SCB] What about downward dissemination of higher level topology elements ? [dp] i don't catch the exact point here - would you clarify concerning the adv.router_id i will add a statement in next revision (without any surprise here) [SCB] OK, and what about the associated TE Router ID for the reachability information ? [dp] do you mean in case you would be aggregating reachability from multiple TE router ID, how the latter would be aggregated - note that the reachability information is part of a separate sub-TLV than the TE router ID sub-TLV - meaning aggregation could be performed on behalf of the advertizing node leaving the answer here quite straightforward > 3. TE Links LSAs > > From reading the ID I can infer that every TE link advertised at a particular level > needs to be a link between 2 routers i.e. Router ID, because the LINK ID MUST > be set to the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630. yes - there is no need to change anything from that perspective > In that case when there is only one router for a set of TE nodes then how will > the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single router. Or is it > expected that these TE link LSAs never get advertised by that single router > (i.e. all TE nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ? ok i see ... there is no advertizement of internal structure of abstract nodes otherwise make use of the logical link case - see RFC 4652 [SCB] So are we saying logical links are limited to cases 1 & 2 ? [dp] logical links case only holds when a configuration like depicted in Fig. 2 of RFC 4652 holds > 4. Upward / downward discovery and selection > > The ID describes a procedure by which routers can automatically discover and select > the upward and downward speaker router. > > It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a router ID larger than > its own and the U or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting LSAs. > > What is not clear is that how does the router with the highest router ID know when to > start importing or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge which is the current > speaker and there is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped importing or exporting > LSAs. > > Could you please explain how this works ? hysteresis mechanisms is expained in section 6.2.1 prevents from disturbing the routing information dissemination process once selection has been performed - so the condition you are describing does not occur if import/export is already in place. [SCB] There are 2 types of information that is being discussed here - 1. regular routing information being flooded in the area 2. upward / downward routing information The rule is that the router with the highest router ID will disseminate the upward / downward information. The router with the highest router ID is identified using the regular routing information being flooded in the area. Now a new router is added which is the highest router ID. This router must NOT disseminate upward/downward routing information even though it has the highest router ID because another router is already selected. How does it figure out that it must NOT disseminate the upward / downward routing information i.e. another router is already selected for the job ? 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C70402.D2CACBE0-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 17:19:36 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiIFE-0001aj-7O for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:19:36 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiIF4-0005hG-Tf for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:19:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GiI5e-000OIm-BP for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:09:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.49] (helo=mail2.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GiI5c-000OIY-Pd for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:09:41 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GiI5X-00025P-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:09:35 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([130.129.65.90] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:09:39 +0000 Message-ID: <041e01c7044b$be6532f0$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" , "Ross Callon" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Subject: Proposed liaison to IEEE 802.1 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:09:30 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 22:09:39.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFEFCA90:01C7044B] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Hi, In view of the fact that IEEE 802.1 is meeting very soon, we think it may be helpful to report to them how we have agreed to work on GMPLS control of Ethernet. Below, please find a proposed liaison that is built from the process we agreed in the CCAMP meeting at IETF-66, and presented on the GELS and CCAMP mailing lists. Please comment on the text as soon as possible. Thanks, Adrian and Deborah === We would like to clarify the previous Liaison from CCAMP with respect to Ethernet switching behavior. We have received requests to evaluate the use of GMPLS protocols for the control of forwarding in Ethernet networks. At this time we have not initiated any work. We recognise IEEE's authority to define and maintain the Ethernet data plane, and fully understand IEEE's concern for other SDOs to adhere to the IEEE's specifications. We would like to assure you that within the IETF's CCAMP working group we have the understanding that any Ethernet work shall only be based on IEEE specified data planes. For your information, we have defined the following rules and process for advancing this work within CCAMP: - Data plane specification is out of scope and must not be discussed within CCAMP. - CCAMP will not work on the specification of GMPLS except for data planes that are already approved by an SDO with responsibility for the Ethernet data plane. It is expected that the primary SDO in this case is IEEE. 1. Decide upon the data plane behavior to be controlled using GMPLS. 2. Ensure that the data plane to be controlled is approved and documented by an SDO with responsibility for Ethernet (i.e., the IEEE). This may be a null op in the case of existing standards, but might require work in the other SDO for new standards for profiles of existing standards. 3. Start protocol work in CCAMP with an explicit pointer to the approved data plane. 4. When it is clear that protocol work is progressing, CCAMP will liaise with the other SDO to get their blessing for using a control plane for the nominated data plane. Best regards, Deborah Brungard and Adrian Farrel CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 17:40:02 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiIZ0-0004Bq-62 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:40:02 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiIYx-000822-Lp for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:40:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GiITA-0000J3-OU for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:34:00 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.48] (helo=mail1.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GiIT7-0000IX-7J for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:34:00 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail1.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1GiITS-0001pK-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:34:18 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([130.129.65.90] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:33:55 +0000 Message-ID: <047301c7044f$214a1860$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" , Cc: "Ross Callon" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" References: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550AEB814C@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> Subject: Re: Proposed liaison to IEEE 802.1 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:33:43 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 22:33:55.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[242CED00:01C7044F] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b132cb3ed2d4be2017585bf6859e1ede Hi Bert, I was being lazy and listing rules and process together. I will split them out. Yes, we are right up to the wire on the liaison. If I send you the update tomorrow (Friday) can you send it straight away? Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: "Adrian Farrel" ; Cc: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" ; "Ross Callon" ; "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: RE: Proposed liaison to IEEE 802.1 > Is there a missing header line before the numbered list. > see my ??? inline > > IEEE 802.1 has its "lisiosn statements" slot on Monday > afternoon 13 November. Timezone is Dallas USA. > > Bert >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 14:10 >> To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org >> Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Ross Callon; Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS >> Subject: Proposed liaison to IEEE 802.1 >> >> >> Hi, >> >> In view of the fact that IEEE 802.1 is meeting very soon, we >> think it may be >> helpful to report to them how we have agreed to work on GMPLS >> control of >> Ethernet. >> >> Below, please find a proposed liaison that is built from the >> process we >> agreed in the CCAMP meeting at IETF-66, and presented on the >> GELS and CCAMP >> mailing lists. >> >> Please comment on the text as soon as possible. >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian and Deborah >> >> === >> >> We would like to clarify the previous Liaison from CCAMP with >> respect to >> Ethernet switching behavior. >> >> We have received requests to evaluate the use of GMPLS >> protocols for the >> control of forwarding in Ethernet networks. At this time we have not >> initiated any work. >> >> We recognise IEEE's authority to define and maintain the >> Ethernet data >> plane, and fully understand IEEE's concern for other SDOs to adhere to >> the IEEE's specifications. We would like to assure you that >> within the >> IETF's CCAMP working group we have the understanding that any >> Ethernet work >> shall only be based on IEEE specified data planes. >> >> For your information, we have defined the following rules and >> process for >> advancing this work within CCAMP: >> >> - Data plane specification is out of scope and must not be discussed >> within CCAMP. >> >> - CCAMP will not work on the specification of GMPLS except for >> data planes that are already approved by an SDO with responsibility >> for the Ethernet data plane. It is expected that the primary SDO >> in this case is IEEE. >> > > ?? > So are the above the "only rules" ? I.e. they are unnumbered? > Are the following also defined rules, but now numbered? Or is > there a missing header line here that expalins what the next > numbered items represent? > Or am I missing something obvious? > ?? > >> 1. Decide upon the data plane behavior to be controlled using GMPLS. >> >> 2. Ensure that the data plane to be controlled is approved >> and documented by an SDO with responsibility for Ethernet >> (i.e., the IEEE). >> This may be a null op in the case of existing standards, but >> might require work in the other SDO for new standards >> for profiles of existing standards. >> >> 3. Start protocol work in CCAMP with an explicit pointer >> to the approved data plane. >> >> 4. When it is clear that protocol work is progressing, >> CCAMP will liaise with the other SDO to get their >> blessing for using a control plane for the nominated data >> plane. >> >> Best regards, >> Deborah Brungard and Adrian Farrel >> CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs >> >> > > > From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 17:40:24 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiIZM-0004Hm-SV for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:40:24 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiIZL-00084l-KE for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:40:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GiIT5-0000I9-2a for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:33:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.49] (helo=mail2.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GiIT4-0000Hw-Dc for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:33:54 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GiISz-00057g-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:33:49 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([130.129.65.90] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:33:52 +0000 Message-ID: <047201c7044f$20867a40$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" Subject: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:31:59 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 22:33:53.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[227B1E50:01C7044F] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Tomo, As discussed in San Diego, could you please resubmit draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-01.txt as draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt This trivial piece of house keeping will keep us honest going forward. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C704AA.DAB0F4D0-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 10 12:59:39 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiafD-0004Lz-HM for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:59:39 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiafB-0007yy-6W for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:59:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GiaU5-0006Uo-0k for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:48:09 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.49] (helo=mail2.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GiaU1-0006US-6a for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:48:08 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GiaTw-0000aQ-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:48:01 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([216.193.238.62] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:48:00 +0000 Message-ID: <060801c704f0$59425510$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , "Bernard Aboba" , "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" , "Ross Callon" , "Bill Fenner" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" , , Subject: Liaison to IEEE 802.1 from IETF CCAMP Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:47:42 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 17:48:00.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D6DFD60:01C704F0] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 To: IEEE 802.1 From: IETF CCAMP Working Group Cc: Dan Romascanu, Bernard Aboba, Bert Wijnen Ross Callon, Bill Fenner, Deborah Brungard Subject: Control plane operation of Ethernet Bridging Status: For Information Dear Tony and Mick, We would like to clarify the previous Liaison from CCAMP with respect to Ethernet bridging behavior. We have received requests to evaluate the use of GMPLS protocols for the control of bridging in Ethernet networks. At this time we have not initiated any work. We recognise IEEE's authority to define and maintain the Ethernet data plane, and fully understand IEEE's concern for other SDOs to adhere to the IEEE's specifications. We would like to assure you that within the IETF's CCAMP working group we have the understanding that any Ethernet work shall only be based on IEEE specified data planes. For your information, we have defined the following rules and process for advancing this work within CCAMP: Rules: A. Data plane (i.e. the data forwarding of established flows) specification is out of scope and must not be discussed within CCAMP. B. CCAMP will not work on the specification of GMPLS except for data planes that are already approved by an SDO with responsibility for the Ethernet data plane. It is expected that the primary SDO in this case is the IEEE. Process steps: 1. Decide upon the data plane behavior to be controlled using GMPLS. 2. Ensure that the data plane to be controlled is approved and documented by an SDO with responsibility for Ethernet (i.e., the IEEE). This may be a null op in the case of existing standards, but might require work in the other SDO for new standards or for profiles of existing standards. 3. Start protocol work in CCAMP with an explicit pointer to the approved data plane. 4. When it is clear that protocol work is progressing, CCAMP will liaise with the other SDO to get their blessing for using a control plane for the nominated data plane and to confirm that that data plane is really approved. In addition, we expect to liaise our status during the development of any control plane extensions. 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RFC 4736 Title: Reoptimization of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE) Loosely Routed Label Switched Path (LSP) Author: JP. Vasseur, Ed., Y. Ikejiri, R. Zhang Status: Informational Date: November 2006 Mailbox: jpv@cisco.com, y.ikejiri@ntt.com, raymond_zhang@bt.infonet.com Pages: 14 Characters: 28850 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ccamp-loose-path-reopt-02.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4736.txt This document defines a mechanism for the reoptimization of loosely routed MPLS and GMPLS (Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching) Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) signaled with Resource Reservation Protocol Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE). 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C70539.F17D6470-- From teswetland@monet.no Sun Nov 12 03:25:51 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjAf1-0007AE-NV for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:25:51 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjAf1-0003pE-J2 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:25:51 -0500 Received: from [222.142.63.146] (helo=hn.kd.zmd.adsl) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjAey-00011p-Jf for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:25:51 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c70677$2ba5f5c0$097ba47c@PC02> From: Gary Couch To: ccamp-archive@ietf.org Subject: To sept a profundity Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:25:30 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C70677.2BA5F5C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.1081 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2720.2963 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0aa019322dfce838bd8604f5a841b57 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C70677.2BA5F5C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0019_01C70677.2BA5F5C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01C70677.2BA5F5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rolling stone gathers no moss. He that knows does not speak, He that speaks= does not know. Alternative: Who shall guard the guards themselves? Hope is= life. Don't burn your bridges before they're crossed. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Great minds think alike, = but insanity speaks all languages. - John Parry You scratch my back and I'l= l scratch yours. A fellow describing the distinction between coral and king snakes. Paraphra= sed from The Mourning Bride, act i, scene i, by William Congreve. It takes = two to make a quarrel. New broom sweeps clean. Just do it! (Nike slogan.) You'll always miss 100% of the [basketball] shot= s you don't take. If it isn't broke, don't fix it Interpretation: Do not hi= nder your own actions or the actions of others to spite some one. He who he= sitates is lost. If you're in a hole, stop digging. All things come to he who waits. Making a rod for your own back. Chance fav= ors the prepared mind. Hindsight is 20/20. Nature abhors a vacuum. Don't shut the barn door after the horse is gone. A= lternative: Who will act as gatekeeper to the gatekeepers? Alternative: Who= shall guard the guards themselves? An apple a day keeps the doctor away. ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01C70677.2BA5F5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Talking a mile a minute. Those who liv= e in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Fools rush in where angels fear to tre= ad. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Pain is only weakne= ss leaving the body. U.S. Marines proverb
All cats love fish but hate to get the= ir paws wet. Sex is like war, both are exciting but neither informative. Mi= sery loves company.
Never do today what you can put off ti= ll (until) tomorrow . Time flies. Latin: Tempus fugit!
Paddle your own ... Keep a thing seven= years and you will always find a use for it. When your only tool is a hamm= er, every problem looks like a nail.
Life begins at forty. People who live = in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If you keep your mouth shut, you wo= n't put your foot in it. It's a blessing in disguise.
There is no 'I' in TEAM, but there is = a ME Possible Interpretation: Do not rush into what you do not know. also, = It takes all kinds to make the world go round.
He who dares wins (motto of the Specia= l Air Service (aka SAS)) 'Well done' is better than 'Well said'
Owt for nowt, and a penny change. Hard= words break no bones. Never judge the book by its cover.
Too many cooks spoil the broth. Two wr= ongs don't make a right, but three lefts do. See also Dorothy Parker: You c= an lead a horticulture, but you cannot make her think. Clothes make(th) the= man.
Bloom where you are planted. Bread is = the staff of life. Bread is the staff of life.
If the dog hadn't stopped to take a ##= ## in the woods, he would have caught the rabbit. Common sense ain't common=
The more things change, the more they = stay the same. Possible interpretation: forbidden things are the most tempt= ing (Biblical origin) All good things come to an end.
If wishes were horses, pigs would fly.= Happy wife, happy life. If you don't love yourself with passion, you'll lo= ve others with it. Passion is conserved. Ask me no questions, I'll tell you= no lies. A watched kettle never boils.
You can't have your cake and eat it to= o. The head and feet keep warm, the rest will take no harm. Make love, not = war. A rolling stone gathers no moss.
Friedrich Nietzsche, The Twilight of t= he Idols (1888) Money for old rope. Water, water everywhere...but not a dro= p to drink Up a creek without a paddle. Alternative: A watched pot never bo= ils.
Possible Interpretation: Quiet people = are often thoughtful. Don't shut the barn door after the horse is gone. Idl= e hands are the devil's playthings. Heaven hath no rage like love to hatred= turned, Nor Hell a fury like a woman scorned.
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3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.49] (helo=mail2.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GkGSs-0004oF-J9 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:49:51 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GkGSq-00031a-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:49:48 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.193] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:49:47 +0000 Message-ID: <14e901c70893$004512d0$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: Subject: Liaison received from MFA Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:49:37 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 08:49:48.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[01BEBA80:01C70893] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Hi, CCAMP has received a liaison from the MFA. You can see this at http://www.olddog.co.uk/incoming.htm I'm not quite sure whether this should actually be handled by us or by the MPLS working group, so I will be discussing it with the MPLS chairs. All comments on this work gratefully received. We are called upon to respond by February. 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From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 15 10:36:35 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkMoV-0003Le-N6 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:36:35 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkMif-0003Xv-Nt for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:30:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GkMOo-000Nf6-7a for ccamp-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:10:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [195.101.245.16] (helo=p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GkMOm-000NeA-KJ for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:10:01 +0000 Received: from FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.153]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:09:59 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Liaison received from MFA Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:09:54 +0100 Message-ID: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB026040B2092@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Liaison received from MFA Thread-Index: AccIlMskPZaAR+rFRF21QNTWk3ZckAAED7fA From: "MEURIC Julien RD-CORE-LAN" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 15:09:59.0455 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E156AF0:01C708C8] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Hi all. The MFA appears to focus on PSC using GMPLS procedures: I agree we = should wonder whether this as a specific GMPLS profile or a removal of = the Generalized aspect. Anyway, I think the answer we'll give them = should include a pointer to draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk. I'm not sure this is the place for detailled comments, but I had a quick = look on the specification and here are my thoughts. - It seems their terminology is mixing MPLS/MPLS-TE/GMPLS, thus leading = to the misused "GMPLS-TE" acronym. By the way, I don't think we mention = any "GMPLS-TE capable interfaces" (p.6) in IETF. - The section 7.2 named "GMPLS Signaling Channel" only mentions that = "labeled packets share the same access connection as the RSVP-TE = signaling". However, RFC 3945 says: "the control channels [...] exist = independently of the links they manage", thus requiring in case of POS = interface, for instance, to have a specific channel -- like DCC bytes -- = pre-existing to any STS-3/VC-4 (or OC-3n/STM-n) connection. Here again, = I'm not so sure they're really doing *G*MPLS. As a result, I feel they're combining RFC 4208 and 4124, but they're = also turning off the generalized aspects -- which I'm not very fond of: = this is not GMPLS any more. Furthermore, I fear control and data plane = separation is not properly understood in their document. This makes me = think this is more an MPLS issue inspired by some "advanced" mechanisms = from RFC 3473 and others. Regards, Julien -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Hi, CCAMP has received a liaison from the MFA. You can see this at http://www.olddog.co.uk/incoming.htm I'm not quite sure whether this should actually be handled by us or by = the=20 MPLS working group, so I will be discussing it with the MPLS chairs. All comments on this work gratefully received. We are called upon to respond by February. 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Received: from 203-214-51-41.dyn.iinet.net.au ([203.214.51.41]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GlYOj-0001d0-Uz for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:10:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c70b5e$64e30760$00000000@emily> From: "toppling young" To: ccamp-archive@ietf.org Subject: NYT de respect religions Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 09:10:45 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C70BBA.98537F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 681e62a2ce9b0804b459fe780d892beb ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C70BBA.98537F60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C70BBA.98537F60" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C70BBA.98537F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stocks Quotes in attachement Poll spiritual leaders bless roading projects Auck. 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Stocks Quotes in = attachement

Poll spiritual=20 leaders bless roading projects Auck.
Squarely chest stops watch or = naked=20 dumped moment.
West in rose tore robe shaved of.
Unix Registered=20 Percentile.
Saved is Courses strvalue a law a Graduate!
Islanders = stick=20 person doesnt likes gossip twisted or.
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<3fd801c70bd3$853ed140$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Fw: Posting of IPR Disclosure Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:02:57 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2006 12:10:21.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFC27430:01C70BD3] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Hi CCAMPers, Please be aware that an IPR Disclosure has been posted for draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk. I am not competent to evaluate IPR claims, but I want to point out that this I-D is Informational and does not require any specific implementation. Adrian > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Framework > for > MPLS-TE to GMPLS migration" (draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk) > was > submitted to the IETF Secretariat and has been posted on the "IETF > Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/ipr_list.cgi). 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c2e58d9873012c90703822e287241385 Thanks to those of you who have sent comments on and off the list. Deborah and I have put together this draft response to the MFA. You can see the original liaison at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp. Please send you thoughts on this by 28th November so that we can send the response. Thanks, Adrian --------- Dear Rao, Thank you very much for giving the CCAMP working group the opportunity to comment on the MFA's MPLS CNI specification. At this stage we have the following high-level comments that we request the MFA to consider and answer. Some of these comments are for clarification as we try to ramp-up on the requirements you are addressing. Others concern technical issues that we feel you should address before advancing this work. Best regards, Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs === We note that you have opted to define a new RSVP object to support a multi-class LSP following the rules for vendor private assignment as described in section 2.2 of RFC3936. We believe that you may have misinterpreted the purpose of vendor private extensions since such extensions are specifically not intended to interoperate, but you are attempting to define a specification directly for the purpose of interworking devices from different vendors. In your case it would seem to make more sense to define a standardized extension to the protocol. Should you decide that a standardized extension is better able to deliver the functionality that you require, we should like to draw your attention to draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-06.txt that defines how other SDOs may influence the development of MPLS and GMPLS protocols within the IETF, and which is currently in IETF last call. The (G)MPLS suites of protocols have become popular among multiple SDOs resulting in a need for IETF to clarify it's role as the responsible SDO for (G)MPLS protocol extensions so as to prevent unnecessary replication of functionality and the resulting interoperability problems. 1. The document is marked as Straw Ballot Text. Can you tell us what that means the status of the work is? 2. We think that your use of terminology may be a little loose. In many cases, where you say "MPLS" you are probably referring to the data plane, and specifically a packet-switching data plane with an MPLS encapsulation. But in other cases, "MPLS" and "MPLS-TE" are synonymous and refer to a signaling/routing control plane using the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP and to the two IGPs OSPF and IS-IS. In many cases you say "GMPLS-TE" which is not something we specifically recognise although we can assume that you mean simply "GMPLS". Sometimes, where you are trying to distinguish a TE LSP established using MPLS-TE from one set up using GMPLS you may intend to say "GMPLS TE-LSP" rather than "GMPLS-TE LSP". We feel that close attention to the terminology may help clarify the document. 3. Section 1.1 states: The purpose of this specification is to define an MPLS-based Client to Network Interconnect (CNI) for establishing GMPLS Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). Can we assume that this means that the client-to-client LSPs are established using GMPLS protocols, but that the signaling within the core network is out of scope? Especially since section 1.2 states: At the CNI, it is not desirable to have the client equipment participate in the internal control protocols of the MPLS network. 4. Can you clarify why you have selected GMPLS protocols and not MPLS-TE protocols on which to build your CNI. We are not opposed to this, but are seeking to understand the choice. Perhaps the main reason is the requirement for bidirectional LSPs. 5. Can you clarify whether the core network is assumed to be PSC only? That is, for example, if the CNI encoding is POS, would it be acceptable for the PE and the rest of the core network to switch the LSP as TDM until the remote PE or even CE, or do you require that the PE must perform packet switching? If the PE must perform packet switching, is it still acceptable for the core LSP (PE-PE) to be switched at some other technology? 6. Section 1.3 states: Where the network uses MPLS-TE signaling, the PE routers are expected to perform the translation. It is our opinion that this translation is non-trivial and may be impossible for some of the GMPLS services that are available at the CNI. For example, supporting a bidirectional service over an MPLS-TE signaling network requires additional coordination between the end-points that is currently not available in the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP-TE. From the following text in section 7.1, we assume that the PE may refuse a CNI request if it is unable to provide the required level of function. The transport network in the provider network is a GMPLS or MPLS-TE based packet switched network that must support request for uni-directional LSPs and may support requests for bi-directional LSPs 7. Section 2.1 The correct expansion of "GMPLS" is "Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching". In view of you chosen expansion of "MPLS", you may prefer to show this as "Generalize Multi Protocol Label Switching". 8. Section 7.2 states: The CE and PE nodes are inter-connected by point-to-point interfaces. The signaling channel is "in-band", i.e., the labeled packets share the same access connection as the RSVP-TE signaling. This is an acceptable, but not required, method of deploying GMPLS-based signaling. It is our suspicion reading this very short section that it is your intention to forbid the use of the IF_ID RSVP_HOP Object at the CNI. Can you confirm or deny this? 9. Section 7.3 states: A client need only know its own address, a reachable address of the adjacent PE-node, and know the address of any other client to which it wishes to connect. The addresses listed above must be configured on each client. A PE need only know (and track) the addresses on interfaces attached to clients, as well as the Node IDs of these attached clients. In addition, the IP/MPLS network needs to know reachability to the interface addresses and Node IDs of other PEs to which an attached client is permitted to connect. This appears to miss the fact that the client will address a CNI connection request to a remote client address. The local PE must, therefore, know how to route to these client addresses that are outside the core routing domain. Perhaps the final sentence should say CE not PE? But in 9.1.2 you have: When a PE receives a Path message from a client that contains no ERO indicating transit network selection, then the PE is responsible for progressing the Path message toward the destination. The progression of the Path message is beyond the scope of this specification. While the details are clearly out of scope, it *is* relevant to the definition of the CNI how the core acquires and distributes the client-side addressing information that is necessary for routing across the core. You will observe that the problem you are solving (including the fact that the client addresses may come from an address space that overlaps with the core address space) is similar to the L3VPN problem. 10. What is the expected behavior from the core network when an E-LSP is requested at the CNI? Can we assume that the expectation is that an appropriate E-LSP will also be established across the core so that Diffserv behavior will be performed along the whole length of the client-client connection, or is this not a requirement? If core Diffserv behavior is required, how will the core handle the presence of multiple classes? 11. You are correct to observe that the ERO is optional in GMPLS implementations (sections 9.1.1 and 9.1.2), however, since you are specifying a profile for use at the CNI, and since both the CE and the PE must be CNI-aware (i.e., you cannot simply use legacy implementations) you may find it convenient to mandate support of the ERO at the CNI. We believe that in practice all implementations support ERO. 12. In section 9.1.1 you have: The client populates the ERO object with only one sub-object containing an Autonomous System Number (ASN) representing a transit network beyond the originating service provider. The client equipment must set the ASN sub-object 'L' bit to 1, indicating a loose route. It is not completely clear what is meant by 'the originating service provider', but we assume that this refers to the network that the ingress PE belongs to. In this case, this ERO is malformed and will be rejected. The first sub-object of a received ERO must always define an abstract node that the receiver is a member of. See RFC 3209, section 4.3.4.1, point 1). 13. In section 9.4: PE next to a client receives a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network, it may in turn generate either a ResvTear or PathTear, whichever is applicable, to be sent to the client. There are no circumstances in which a PE receiving a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network would send PathTear to the client. It is unclear to us why you would specify that the CNI built on GMPLS might not use this standard GMPLS procedure. 14. In section 9.5.3: The Extended Classtype object is signaled in the Path message, and saved in the Path State Block (PSB) at every hop. We recommend that you simply state that the state is stored as every hop. The existence of a PSB is implementation- specific. Can you please clarify "at every hop". Are you expecting nodes in the core network to store this information. If so, you should note that the core nodes will not recognize the object class and will reject any messages carrying it. 15. In 9.5.4: An LSR that recognizes the Extended Classtype object and that receives a Path message which contains the Extended Classtype object but which does not contain a Label Request object or which does not have a session type of LSP_Tunnel_IPv4, must send a PathErr message towards the sender with the error code 'extended-classtype Error' and an error value of 'Unexpected Extended Classtype object'. These are defined below: Why do you define new parsing behavior for the absence of a Label Request object (by the way, you should say Generalized Label Request object, since this is GMPLS)? The absence of mandatory objects is already covered in RFC2205. 16. The error code defined in 9.5.4 is conformant with RFC 3936. You may wish to look at draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec in case this gives you the ability to handle more detailed private error codes. Finally, we would like to refer you to draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-01.txt and draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt for the latest state of discussions in CCAMP with respect to interworking MPLS and GMPLS networks. From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 11:01:57 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmY4L-0005qK-9M for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:01:57 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmY4H-0002ld-Pk for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:01:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmXtn-000FpW-Eg for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:51:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.6 Received: from [156.154.24.139] (helo=ns4.neustar.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmXst-000Ffa-CR for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:50:32 +0000 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9F92AC63; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:50:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GmXsn-000282-LH; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:50:01 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:50:01 -0500 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8de5f93cb2b4e3bee75302e9eacc33db --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Exclude Routes - Extension to RSVP-TE Author(s) : A. Farrel, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2006-11-21 The RSVP-TE specification, "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for LSP Tunnels" (RFC 3209) and GMPLS extensions to RSVP-TE, "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Extensions" (RFC 3473) allow abstract nodes and resources to be explicitly included in a path setup, but not to be explicitly excluded. In some networks where precise explicit paths are not computed at the head end it may be useful to specify and signal abstract nodes and resources that are to be explicitly excluded from routes. These exclusions may apply to the whole path, or to parts of a path between two abstract nodes specified in an explicit path. How Shared Risk Link Groups (SLRGs) can be excluded is also specified in this document. This document specifies ways to communicate route exclusions during path setup using RSVP-TE. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-11-21094457.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-11-21094457.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 11:13:45 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYFl-0003s1-T1 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:13:45 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYFf-00057F-IZ for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:13:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmY9B-000IDH-4R for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:06:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [62.241.163.7] (helo=blaster.systems.pipex.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmY8y-000IB1-40 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:06:51 +0000 Received: from pc6 (1Cust2.tnt108.lnd4.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.170.2]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E0BCE00066F; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:06:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <045401c70d7e$b16560c0$0601a8c0@pc6> Reply-To: "tom.petch" From: "tom.petch" To: "Adrian Farrel" , Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" References: <047201c7044f$20867a40$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:13:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 I had a look at this I-D (the word MIB caught my eye:-) and it would seem to have some way to go, at least from an editorial point of view. eg - the introduction isn't quite English as I know it to the point where I am unsure if I know what is being said about the role of this MIB module vis-a-vis others - no MIB boiler plate - IANA considerations do not mention being under the transmission branch (is that the right place for this?) - use of transmission 9988 as a placeholder - module name 'TED-DRAFT01-MIB '! - no normative references ........... all of which and more is covered in RFC4181. I would suggest a check by the authors against that RFC before taking this further. I also get some strange characters such as little black blobs at the turn of every page. I am also unclear where the I-D uses 'OSPF' whether it now means only OSPF or whether it means all such protocols and has not been updated to reflect the change of title ie I suggest looking carefully at all uses of 'OSPF' by itself and only using that when OSPF alone is meant. And when I understand the English better, I expect I will disagree on a technical basis as well - eg [OSPFMIB UPDATE] (a rather clumsy reference IMO) does not update [OSPFMIB], it supersedes it so I suspect that there should be a normative reference to the former and no mention of the latter; in which case the reference could be to RFCyyyy. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB > Tomo, > > As discussed in San Diego, could you please resubmit > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-01.txt as > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt > > This trivial piece of house keeping will keep us honest going forward. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > > From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 11:14:12 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYGC-00044E-4J for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:14:12 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYGA-0005E8-GS for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:14:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmY8P-000I7H-8D for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:06:09 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.48] (helo=mail1.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmY8C-000I5C-Oh for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:06:02 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail1.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1GmTKA-00054s-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:58 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.173] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:47 +0000 Message-ID: <00c701c70d5b$ddea66e0$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on T-MPLS Labels Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:30 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 10:57:48.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1867960:01C70D5B] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Hi, We have been copied on a liaison clarifying the intended label usage in T-MPLS as documented in Recommendation G.8112 Table 6-1. You may be relieved to know that the proposed label usage is not conformant with MPLS and with IANA allocation rules. You can find links to this and all other liaisons at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm No action is required from CCAMP. Adrian From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 11:22:20 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYO4-0000vo-9Y for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:22:20 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYO3-0006Lm-0T for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:22:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYKA-000JDh-Ey for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:18:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.48] (helo=mail1.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYJv-000JBv-JF for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:18:13 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail1.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1GmTJV-0004x4-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:17 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.173] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:05 +0000 Message-ID: <00c401c70d5b$c606fc00$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Response liaison from ITU-T SG15 on CCAMP ASON work Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:56:41 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 10:57:06.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8B21ED0:01C70D5B] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Hi, We have received a detailed response to our liaison on current ASON-related work within CCAMP. The full liaison can be seen at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm The bulk of the liaison is comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-ospf-02.txt and a discussion on the use of Calls and Connections in G.8080. We are called on to respond by 12th February 2007. Adrian From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 11:22:52 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYOa-00013d-Rl for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:22:52 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYOZ-0006OZ-II for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:22:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYKG-000JEQ-Pp for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:18:24 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.48] (helo=mail1.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYK6-000JDJ-0t for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:18:19 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail1.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1GmTKX-00059q-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:58:21 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.173] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:58:10 +0000 Message-ID: <00c801c70d5b$ece90e30$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on ASON Recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:56 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 10:58:11.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF4A56C0:01C70D5B] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Hi, We have received a new liaison from ITU-T Study Group 15 on recently consented ASON Recommendations. The text is below. No action is required. You can find links to this, the embedded documents, and all other liaisons at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm Adrian === ITU-T SG15 Question 14 (Q14/15) is pleased to inform you of the consent of two ASON documents at the SG15 meeting 30 October - 10 November 2006. Attached for your information are the consented documents: - New Draft Recommendation G.7715.2/Y.1706.2 "ASON routing architecture and requirements for remote route query" - New Draft Amendment 1 to Recommendation G.7715/Y.1706 "Architecture and requirements for routing in the automatically switched optical networks" From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 11:27:33 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYT7-0004r6-3i for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:27:33 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmYSu-00077Z-8q for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:27:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYOR-000Jpc-6N for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:22:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.49] (helo=mail2.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYOG-000JoN-5W for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:22:37 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GmTJw-0004k3-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:44 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.173] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:44 +0000 Message-ID: <00c601c70d5b$dd3791a0$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on Optical Networking Work Plan Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:16 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 10:57:45.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFF85F50:01C70D5B] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Hi, We have received a liaison from the ITU-T Study Group 15 entitled "SG15 OTNT Standardization Work Plan". This liaison documents the next work items that Study Group 15 plans to tackle with respect to the "Optical Transport Networks and Technologies" We are invited to send any comments back by 30th April 2007. The text of the liaison can be seen below. You can find links to this, the embedded documents, and all other liaisons at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm Adrian === Attached is the updated version of "Optical Transport Networks & Technologies Standardization Work Plan" resulted from this SG15 meeting (Geneva, 30 Oct. - 10 Nov. 2006). We appreciate your review and comments. From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 12:09:28 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmZ7g-0007lB-TH for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:09:28 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmZ7e-0005Hy-DH for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:09:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYxO-000Okt-1x for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:58:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.48] (helo=mail1.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYxC-000Ojw-Ea for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:58:44 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail1.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1GmYxR-0003E0-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:58:53 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.111] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:58:35 +0000 Message-ID: <020401c70d8e$3ebb2e00$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "tom.petch" , Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" References: <047201c7044f$20867a40$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> <045401c70d7e$b16560c0$0601a8c0@pc6> Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:56:51 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 16:58:35.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[48A5EFE0:01C70D8E] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Hi Tom, Yes, the I-D is indeed at an early stage with a lot of work remaining to be done. I'm sure that Tomo will be grateful for all of your pointers. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom.petch" To: "Adrian Farrel" ; Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB >I had a look at this I-D (the word MIB caught my eye:-) and it would seem >to > have some way to go, at least from an editorial point of view. eg > - the introduction isn't quite English as I know it to the point where I > am > unsure if I know what is being said about the role of this MIB module > vis-a-vis > others > - no MIB boiler plate > - IANA considerations do not mention being under the transmission branch > (is > that the right place for this?) > - use of transmission 9988 as a placeholder > - module name 'TED-DRAFT01-MIB '! > - no normative references > ........... > > all of which and more is covered in RFC4181. I would suggest a check by > the > authors against that RFC before taking this further. I also get some > strange > characters such as little black blobs at the turn of every page. > > I am also unclear where the I-D uses 'OSPF' whether it now means only OSPF > or > whether it means all such protocols and has not been updated to reflect > the > change of title ie I suggest looking carefully at all uses of 'OSPF' by > itself > and only using that when OSPF alone is meant. > > And when I understand the English better, I expect I will disagree on a > technical basis as well - eg [OSPFMIB UPDATE] (a rather clumsy reference > IMO) > does not update [OSPFMIB], it supersedes it so I suspect that there should > be a > normative reference to the former and no mention of the latter; in which > case > the reference could be to RFCyyyy. > > Tom Petch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Farrel" > To: > Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:31 PM > Subject: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB > > >> Tomo, >> >> As discussed in San Diego, could you please resubmit >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-01.txt as >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt >> >> This trivial piece of house keeping will keep us honest going forward. >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian >> >> >> > > > > From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 12:11:11 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmZ9L-0001C2-Fm for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:11:11 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmZ9I-0005T5-N2 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:11:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYyE-000Ot2-F1 for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:59:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.49] (helo=mail2.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmYy1-000OnT-Jy for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:59:36 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GmYxv-00010f-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:59:23 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.111] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:59:22 +0000 Message-ID: <020701c70d8e$62f810d0$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:59:11 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 16:59:23.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[65128C60:01C70D8E] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9cc83ac38bbbabacbf00f656311dd8d8 Hi, FYI this revision is an update after GenArt review and some comments from the AD. The changes are as follows: Adrian === Section 1. ADD For example, route exclusion could be used in the case where two non-overlapping Label Switched Paths (LSPs) are required. In this case, one option might be to set up one path and collect its route using route recording, and then to exclude the routers on that first path from the setup for the second path. Another option might be to set up two parallel backbones, dual home the provider edge (PE) routers to both backbones, and then exclude the local router on backbone A the first time that you set up an LSP (to a particular distant PE), and exclude the local router on backbone B the second time that you set up an LSP. NOTE Idea for text from Ross answering Eric's questions about usage. === Section 1.1 OLD This document does not preclude a route exclusion from listing arbitrary nodes or network elements to avoid. The intent is, however, to indicate only the minimal number of subobjects to be avoided. For instance it may be necessary to signal only the SRLGs (or Shared Risk Groups) to avoid. NEW This document does not preclude a route exclusion from listing arbitrary nodes or network elements to avoid. The intent is, however, to indicate only the minimal number of subobjects to be explicitly avoided. For instance it may be necessary to signal only the SRLGs (or Shared Risk Groups) to avoid. That is, the route exclusion is not intended to define the actual route by listing all of the choices to exclude at each hop, but rather to constrain the normal route selection process where loose hops or abstract nodes are to be expanded by listing certain elements to be avoided. NOTE This additional text to answer Eric's questions about usage. === Section 1 OLD This document introduces an ERO subobject to indicate an SRLG to be signaled in either of the two exclusion methods described above and this document does not assume or preclude any other usage for this subobject. This subobject might also be appropriate for use within Explicit Routes or Record Routes, but this is outside the scope of this document. NEW This document introduces a subobject to indicate an SRLG to be signaled in either of the two exclusion methods described above. This document does not assume or preclude any other usage for this subobject. This subobject might also be appropriate for use within an Explicit Route object (ERO) or Record Route object (RRO), but this is outside the scope of this document. NOTE The issue raised was that the subobject could not both be an ERO subobject and not be defined for use in an ERO. === Section 2 OLD The identifier of a SRLG is defined as a 32 bit quantity in [RFC4202]. An SRLG ERO subobject is introduced such that it can be used in the exclusion methods as described in the following sections. This document does not assume or preclude any other usage for this subobject. This subobject might also be appropriate for use within Explicit Routes or Record Routes, but this is outside the scope of this document. NEW The identifier of a SRLG is defined as a 32 bit quantity in [RFC4202]. An SRLG subobject is introduced such that it can be used in the exclusion methods as described in the following sections. This document does not assume or preclude any other usage for this subobject. This subobject might also be appropriate for use within Explicit Route object (ERO) or Record Route object (RRO), but this is outside the scope of this document. NOTE As before. === Section 2.1 OLD 2.1 SRLG ERO Subobject The format of the ERO and its subobjects are defined in [RFC3209]. The new SRLG ERO subobject is defined by this document as follows. NEW 2.1 SRLG Subobject The new SRLG subobject is defined by this document as follows. Its format is modeled on the ERO subobjects defined in [RFC3209]. NOTE As before. === Section 3.1 OLD The contents of an EXCLUDE_ROUTE object are a series of variable- length data items called subobjects. This specification adapts ERO subojbects as defined in [RFC3209], [RFC3473], and [RFC3477] for use in route exclusions. The SRLG ERO subobject as defined in Section 2 of this document and its processing within ERO have not been defined before. The SRLG ERO subobject is defined here for use with route exclusions. NEW The contents of an EXCLUDE_ROUTE object are a series of variable- length data items called subobjects. This specification adapts ERO subojbects as defined in [RFC3209], [RFC3473], and [RFC3477] for use in route exclusions. The SRLG subobject as defined in Section 2 of this document has not been defined before. The SRLG subobject is defined here for use with route exclusions. NOTE As before. === Section 3.1.5 OLD The Attribute octet is not present. The rest of the fields are as defined in the "SRLG ERO Subobject" section of this document. NEW The Attribute octet is not present. The rest of the fields are as defined in the "SRLG Subobject" section of this document. NOTE As before. === Section 8 Major rewrite of the IANA section since it had been misunderstood === Section 3.2 ADD A node receiving a Path message carrying an XRO MAY reject the message if the XRO is too large or complicated for the local implementation or as governed by local policy. In this case, the node MUST send a PathErr message with the error code "Routing Error" and error value "XRO Too Complex". An ingress LSR receiving this error code/value combination MAY reduce the complexity of the XRO or route around the node that rejected the XRO. NOTE This addresses Eric's request to be able to "opt out". === Section 4.2 ADD A node MAY reject a Path message if the EXRS is too large or complicated for the local implementation or as governed by local policy. In this case, the node MUST send a PathErr message with the error code "Routing Error" and error value "EXRS Too Complex". An ingress LSR receiving this error code/value combination MAY reduce the complexity of the EXRS or route around the node that rejected the EXRS. NOTE This addresses Eric's request to be able to "opt out". === Section 3.2 OLD 3. The subobjects in the ERO and XRO MUST NOT contradict each other. If a Path message is received that contains contradicting ERO and XRO subobjects, then: NEW 3. The subobjects in the ERO and XRO SHOULD NOT contradict each other. If a Path message is received that contains contradicting ERO and XRO subobjects, then: === Section 3.1 OLD The concept of loose or strict hops has no meaning in route exclusion. The L bit, defined for ERO subobjects in [RFC3209], is reused here to indicate that an abstract node MUST be avoided (value 0) or SHOULD be avoided (value 1). NEW The concept of loose or strict hops has no meaning in route exclusion. The L bit, defined for ERO subobjects in [RFC3209], is reused here to indicate that an abstract node MUST be excluded (value 0) or SHOULD be avoided (value 1). The distinction is that the path of an LSP must not traverse an abstract node listed in the XRO with the L bit clear, but may traverse one with the L bit set. A node responsible for routing an LSP (for example, for expanding a loose hop) should attempt to minimize the number of abstract nodes listed in the XRO with the L bit set that are traversed by the LSP according to local policy. A node generating XRO subobjects with the L bit set must be prepared to accept an LSP that traverses one, some, or all of the corresponding abstract nodes. NOTE Address Eric's request for more detail on MUST/SHOULD avoid. === Section 6 OLD 2. The EXRS MAY be supported. If supported, the same restrictions as for the XRO apply. NEW 2. The EXRS MAY be supported. If supported, the same restrictions as for the XRO apply. If not supported, an EXRS encountered during normal ERO processing MUST be rejected as an unknown ERO subobject as described in Section 4.2. Note that a node SHOULD NOT parse ahead into an ERO, and if it does, MUST NOT reject the ERO if it discovers an EXRS that applies to another node. NOTE Eric requested clarification on how a non-supporting node behaves. === Section 7 OLD The new exclude route object poses no security exposures over and above [RFC3209] and [RFC3473]. Note that any security concerns that exist with Explicit Routes should be considered with regard to route exclusions. NEW Security considerations for MPLS-TE and GMPLS signaling are covered in [RFC3209] and [RFC3473]. This document does not introduce any new messages or any substantive new processing, and so those security considerations continue to apply. Note that any security concerns that exist with explicit routes should be considered with regard to route exclusions. For example, some administrative boundaries may consider explicit routes to be security violations and may strip EROs from the Path messages that they process. In this case, the XRO should also be considered for removal from the Path message. It is possible that an arbitrarily complex XRO or EXRS sequence could be introduced as a form of denial of service attack since its presence will potentially cause additional processing at each node on the path of the LSP. It should be noted that such an attack assumes that an otherwise trusted LSR (i.e., one that has been authenticated by its neighbors) is misbehaving. A node that receives an XRO or EXRS sequence that it considers too complex according to its local policy may respond with a PathErr message carrying the error code "Routing Error" and error value "XRO Too Complex" or "EXRS Too Complex". === ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane > Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Exclude Routes - Extension to RSVP-TE > Author(s) : A. Farrel, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt > Pages : 26 > Date : 2006-11-21 > > The RSVP-TE specification, "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for LSP > Tunnels" (RFC 3209) and GMPLS extensions to RSVP-TE, "Generalized > Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Resource ReserVation > Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Extensions" (RFC 3473) allow > abstract nodes and resources to be explicitly included in a path > setup, but not to be explicitly excluded. > > In some networks where precise explicit paths are not computed at the > head end it may be useful to specify and signal abstract nodes and > resources that are to be explicitly excluded from routes. These > exclusions may apply to the whole path, or to parts of a path between > two abstract nodes specified in an explicit path. How Shared Risk > Link Groups (SLRGs) can be excluded is also specified in this > document. > > This document specifies ways to communicate route exclusions during > path setup using RSVP-TE. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 12:56:11 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmZqt-0004AJ-Pu for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:56:11 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmZqs-0004rI-CW for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:56:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmZlW-0004T6-CG for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:50:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.6 Received: from [62.23.212.165] (helo=smail.alcatel.fr) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmZlJ-0004OM-1D; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:50:32 +0000 Received: from bemail05.netfr.alcatel.fr (bemail05.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.11]) by smail.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id kALHo9Jo023842; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:50:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <00c401c70d5b$c606fc00$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org, owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Response liaison from ITU-T SG15 on CCAMP ASON work MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:50:03 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BEMAIL05/BE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 11/21/2006 18:50:04, Serialize complete at 11/21/2006 18:50:04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.180.81 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b adrian - sure an answer will be provided - -d. "Adrian Farrel" Sent by: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org 21/11/2006 11:56 Please respond to "Adrian Farrel" To: cc: Subject: Response liaison from ITU-T SG15 on CCAMP ASON work Hi, We have received a detailed response to our liaison on current ASON-related work within CCAMP. The full liaison can be seen at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm The bulk of the liaison is comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-ospf-02.txt and a discussion on the use of Calls and Connections in G.8080. We are called on to respond by 12th February 2007. Adrian From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 15:11:53 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmbyD-0004v7-TT for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:11:53 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmbyC-000448-Ju for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:11:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Gmbqx-000KWJ-UV for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:04:23 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [171.68.10.87] (helo=sj-iport-5.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Gmbqm-000KVX-W8 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:04:18 +0000 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Nov 2006 12:04:11 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kALK4BZK031881; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:04:11 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kALK3iYh029441; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:04:07 -0500 Received: from swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com ([10.86.116.2]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:04:06 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656D9347BDB; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:04:00 -0500 (EST) To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Cc: swallow@cisco.com Subject: Re: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on T-MPLS Labels In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:30 GMT." <00c701c70d5b$ddea66e0$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> From: George Swallow X-Mailer: MH-E 7.4.3; nmh 1.1-RC3; GNU Emacs 21.2.1 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:04:00 -0500 Message-Id: <20061121200400.656D9347BDB@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 20:04:06.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[334BC920:01C70DA8] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=517; t=1164139451; x=1165003451; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=swallow@cisco.com; z=From:=20George=20Swallow=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Liaison=20from=20ITU-T=20SG15=20on=20T-MPLS=20Labels= 20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Adrian=20Farrel=22=20; bh=ah6B/AA50fP0KM5bS8TA3NJele+p1/s5nmn+iltg4YE=; b=UiEWBYPO4dUnv29/WWUuORIek7O+yg7UDo4Q3pFWr96kihQ7HWLpsriQd7P6VsxWiXGC9BS5 yCWUBPcdHMvZeZxSpEx4X4C13RRyER0a0VCeqzF92ahCIyXQpyfzsQU7; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=swallow@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Adrian - I believe you meant... > You may be relieved to know that the proposed label usage is not is *now* conformant > conformant with MPLS and with IANA allocation rules. ...George ======================================================================== George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) 936-1398 1414 Massachusetts Avenue Boxborough, MA 01719 From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 16:10:51 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmchs-0003P8-9y for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; 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SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:47:41 +0000 Message-ID: <025d01c70dbf$0a96fb50$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <00c701c70d5b$ddea66e0$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Subject: Re: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on T-MPLS Labels Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:44:45 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 22:47:42.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D9A9E60:01C70DBF] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Major oops. For "not" read "now" Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on T-MPLS Labels > Hi, > > We have been copied on a liaison clarifying the intended label usage in > T-MPLS as documented in Recommendation G.8112 Table 6-1. > > You may be relieved to know that the proposed label usage is not > conformant with MPLS and with IANA allocation rules. > > You can find links to this and all other liaisons at > http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm > > No action is required from CCAMP. > > Adrian > > > > > > > From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 18:32:34 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmf6Q-00037i-4F for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:32:34 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmf6O-0004rC-Cl for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:32:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Gmezi-000IXp-L1 for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:25:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [216.82.245.131] (helo=mail146.messagelabs.com) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmezW-000IVw-7X for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:25:32 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: gash@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1164151524!9762246!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [134.24.146.4] Received: (qmail 8771 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2006 23:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO attrh3i.attrh.att.com) (134.24.146.4) by server-7.tower-146.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2006 23:25:24 -0000 Received: from attrh.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by attrh3i.attrh.att.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kALNPNPo001781; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcclust06evs1.ugd.att.com (kcst11.ugd.att.com [135.38.164.88]) by attrh3i.attrh.att.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kALNPLBr001769; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:25:22 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Draft response to MFA Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:25:21 -0600 Message-ID: <9473683187ADC049A855ED2DA739ABCA0DDC7F9B@KCCLUST06EVS1.ugd.att.com> In-Reply-To: <016b01c70d73$13798680$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Draft response to MFA Thread-Index: AccNg7h7RkNBzJXHSOWcZxj7hMEcCAAPa/Cg From: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" To: "Adrian Farrel" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" , Cc: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2d133cc328f58695161c98bb4f4dc213 Adrian, Deborah, Very comprehensive response! Here are some additional suggested comments: 1. Regarding the proposed extensions for multi-class DSTE LSPs, rather than a proprietary extension perhaps the MFA can be encouraged to support IETF draft. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-minei-diffserv-te-multi-class- 02.txt. It seems best that standard protocol extensions be worked out in the IETF. 2. Appendix A RE available OAM mechanisms seems a bit superfluous and perhaps could be deleted. 3. FEC =3D forwarding equivalence class Thanks, Jerry -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:55 AM To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Draft response to MFA Thanks to those of you who have sent comments on and off the list. Deborah and I have put together this draft response to the MFA. You can see=20 the original liaison at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp. Please send you thoughts on this by 28th November so that we can send the=20 response. Thanks, Adrian --------- Dear Rao, Thank you very much for giving the CCAMP working group the opportunity to=20 comment on the MFA's MPLS CNI specification. At this stage we have the following high-level comments that we request the=20 MFA to consider and answer. Some of these comments are for clarification as=20 we try to ramp-up on the requirements you are addressing. Others concern technical issues that we feel you should address before advancing this work. Best regards, Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs =3D=3D=3D We note that you have opted to define a new RSVP object to support a=20 multi-class LSP following the rules for vendor private assignment as=20 described in section 2.2 of RFC3936. We believe that you may have=20 misinterpreted the purpose of vendor private extensions since such=20 extensions are specifically not intended to interoperate, but you are=20 attempting to define a specification directly for the purpose of=20 interworking devices from different vendors. In your case it would seem to=20 make more sense to define a standardized extension to the protocol. Should you decide that a standardized extension is better able to deliver=20 the functionality that you require, we should like to draw your attention to=20 draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-06.txt that defines how other SDOs may=20 influence the development of MPLS and GMPLS protocols within the IETF, and=20 which is currently in IETF last call. The (G)MPLS suites of protocols have=20 become popular among multiple SDOs resulting in a need for IETF to clarify=20 it's role as the responsible SDO for (G)MPLS protocol extensions so as to=20 prevent unnecessary replication of functionality and the resulting=20 interoperability problems. 1. The document is marked as Straw Ballot Text. Can you tell us what that means the status of the work is? 2. We think that your use of terminology may be a little loose. In many cases, where you say "MPLS" you are probably referring to the data plane, and specifically a packet-switching data plane with an MPLS encapsulation. But in other cases, "MPLS" and "MPLS-TE" are synonymous and refer to a signaling/routing control plane using the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP and to the two IGPs OSPF and IS-IS. In many cases you say "GMPLS-TE" which is not something we specifically recognise although we can assume that you mean simply "GMPLS". Sometimes, where you are trying to distinguish a TE LSP established using MPLS-TE from one set up using GMPLS you may intend to say "GMPLS TE-LSP" rather than "GMPLS-TE LSP". We feel that close attention to the terminology may help clarify the document. 3. Section 1.1 states: The purpose of this specification is to define an MPLS-based Client to Network Interconnect (CNI) for establishing GMPLS Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). Can we assume that this means that the client-to-client LSPs are established using GMPLS protocols, but that the signaling within the core network is out of scope? Especially since section 1.2 states: At the CNI, it is not desirable to have the client equipment participate in the internal control protocols of the MPLS network. 4. Can you clarify why you have selected GMPLS protocols and not MPLS-TE protocols on which to build your CNI. We are not opposed to this, but are seeking to understand the choice. Perhaps the main reason is the requirement for bidirectional LSPs. 5. Can you clarify whether the core network is assumed to be PSC only? That is, for example, if the CNI encoding is POS, would it be acceptable for the PE and the rest of the core network to switch the LSP as TDM until the remote PE or even CE, or do you require that the PE must perform packet switching? If the PE must perform packet switching, is it still acceptable for the core LSP (PE-PE) to be switched at some other technology? 6. Section 1.3 states: Where the network uses MPLS-TE signaling, the PE routers are expected to perform the translation. It is our opinion that this translation is non-trivial and may be impossible for some of the GMPLS services that are available at the CNI. For example, supporting a bidirectional service over an MPLS-TE signaling network requires additional coordination between the end-points that is currently not available in the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP-TE. From the following text in section 7.1, we assume that the PE may refuse a CNI request if it is unable to provide the required level of function. The transport network in the provider network is a GMPLS or MPLS-TE based packet switched network that must support request for uni-directional LSPs and may support requests for bi-directional LSPs 7. Section 2.1 The correct expansion of "GMPLS" is "Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching". In view of you chosen expansion of "MPLS", you may prefer to show this as "Generalize Multi Protocol Label Switching". 8. Section 7.2 states: The CE and PE nodes are inter-connected by point-to-point interfaces. The signaling channel is "in-band", i.e., the labeled packets share the same access connection as the RSVP-TE signaling. This is an acceptable, but not required, method of deploying GMPLS-based signaling. It is our suspicion reading this very short section that it is your intention to forbid the use of the IF_ID RSVP_HOP Object at the CNI. Can you confirm or deny this? 9. Section 7.3 states: A client need only know its own address, a reachable address of the adjacent PE-node, and know the address of any other client to which it wishes to connect. The addresses listed above must be configured on each client. A PE need only know (and track) the addresses on interfaces attached to clients, as well as the Node IDs of these attached clients. In addition, the IP/MPLS network needs to know reachability to the interface addresses and Node IDs of other PEs to which an attached client is permitted to connect. This appears to miss the fact that the client will address a CNI connection request to a remote client address. The local PE must, therefore, know how to route to these client addresses that are outside the core routing domain. Perhaps the final sentence should say CE not PE? But in 9.1.2 you have: When a PE receives a Path message from a client that contains no ERO indicating transit network selection, then the PE is responsible for progressing the Path message toward the destination. The progression of the Path message is beyond the scope of this specification. While the details are clearly out of scope, it *is* relevant to the definition of the CNI how the core acquires and distributes the client-side addressing information that is necessary for routing across the core. You will observe that the problem you are solving (including the fact that the client addresses may come from an address space that overlaps with the core address space) is similar to the L3VPN problem. 10. What is the expected behavior from the core network when an E-LSP is requested at the CNI? Can we assume that the expectation is that an appropriate E-LSP will also be established across the core so that Diffserv behavior will be performed along the whole length of the client-client connection, or is this not a requirement? If core Diffserv behavior is required, how will the core handle the presence of multiple classes? 11. You are correct to observe that the ERO is optional in GMPLS implementations (sections 9.1.1 and 9.1.2), however, since you are specifying a profile for use at the CNI, and since both the CE and the PE must be CNI-aware (i.e., you cannot simply use legacy implementations) you may find it convenient to mandate support of the ERO at the CNI. We believe that in practice all implementations support ERO. 12. In section 9.1.1 you have: The client populates the ERO object with only one sub-object containing an Autonomous System Number (ASN) representing a transit network beyond the originating service provider. The client equipment must set the ASN sub-object 'L' bit to 1, indicating a loose route. It is not completely clear what is meant by 'the originating service provider', but we assume that this refers to the network that the ingress PE belongs to. In this case, this ERO is malformed and will be rejected. The first sub-object of a received ERO must always define an abstract node that the receiver is a member of. See RFC 3209, section 4.3.4.1, point 1). 13. In section 9.4: PE next to a client receives a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network, it may in turn generate either a ResvTear or PathTear, whichever is applicable, to be sent to the client. There are no circumstances in which a PE receiving a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network would send PathTear to the client. It is unclear to us why you would specify that the CNI built on GMPLS might not use this standard GMPLS procedure. 14. In section 9.5.3: The Extended Classtype object is signaled in the Path message, and saved in the Path State Block (PSB) at every hop. We recommend that you simply state that the state is stored as every hop. The existence of a PSB is implementation- specific. Can you please clarify "at every hop". Are you expecting nodes in the core network to store this information. If so, you should note that the core nodes will not recognize the object class and will reject any messages carrying it. 15. In 9.5.4: An LSR that recognizes the Extended Classtype object and that receives a Path message which contains the Extended Classtype object but which does not contain a Label Request object or which does not have a session type of LSP_Tunnel_IPv4, must send a PathErr message towards the sender with the error code 'extended-classtype Error' and an error value of 'Unexpected Extended Classtype object'. These are defined below: Why do you define new parsing behavior for the absence of a Label Request object (by the way, you should say Generalized Label Request object, since this is GMPLS)? The absence of mandatory objects is already covered in RFC2205. 16. The error code defined in 9.5.4 is conformant with RFC 3936. You may wish to look at draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec in case this gives you the ability to handle more detailed private error codes. Finally, we would like to refer you to=20 draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-01.txt and=20 draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt for the latest state of=20 discussions in CCAMP with respect to interworking MPLS and GMPLS networks. From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 21 19:17:31 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmfnv-0005n2-Ed for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:17:31 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmfnr-00025e-S7 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:17:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Gmffy-000NSw-6M for ccamp-data@psg.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:09:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [192.26.91.6] (helo=mandala.kddilabs.jp) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Gmffm-000NSU-4a for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:09:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E5FECA46; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:09:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp (platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp [2001:200:601:1300:172:19:83:254]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21861ECA3C; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:09:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:200:601:1e02:0:5efe:ac13:5712] (unknown [IPv6:2001:200:601:1e02:0:5efe:ac13:5712]) by platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EE7578103; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:08:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4563950E.1020406@kddilabs.jp> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:08:46 +0900 From: Tomohiro Otani User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: "tom.petch" , ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB References: <047201c7044f$20867a40$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> <045401c70d7e$b16560c0$0601a8c0@pc6> <020401c70d8e$3ebb2e00$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> In-Reply-To: <020401c70d8e$3ebb2e00$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e Hi Tom and Adrian, Thank you for your comments on our draft. We understand that we need a lot of work for the -01 draft and definitely reflect your comments. With best regards, Tomo Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Yes, the I-D is indeed at an early stage with a lot of work remaining to > be done. > > I'm sure that Tomo will be grateful for all of your pointers. > > Adrian > ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom.petch" > To: "Adrian Farrel" ; > Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB > > >> I had a look at this I-D (the word MIB caught my eye:-) and it would >> seem to >> have some way to go, at least from an editorial point of view. eg >> - the introduction isn't quite English as I know it to the point where >> I am >> unsure if I know what is being said about the role of this MIB module >> vis-a-vis >> others >> - no MIB boiler plate >> - IANA considerations do not mention being under the transmission >> branch (is >> that the right place for this?) >> - use of transmission 9988 as a placeholder >> - module name 'TED-DRAFT01-MIB '! >> - no normative references >> ........... >> >> all of which and more is covered in RFC4181. I would suggest a check >> by the >> authors against that RFC before taking this further. I also get some >> strange >> characters such as little black blobs at the turn of every page. >> >> I am also unclear where the I-D uses 'OSPF' whether it now means only >> OSPF or >> whether it means all such protocols and has not been updated to >> reflect the >> change of title ie I suggest looking carefully at all uses of 'OSPF' >> by itself >> and only using that when OSPF alone is meant. >> >> And when I understand the English better, I expect I will disagree on a >> technical basis as well - eg [OSPFMIB UPDATE] (a rather clumsy >> reference IMO) >> does not update [OSPFMIB], it supersedes it so I suspect that there >> should be a >> normative reference to the former and no mention of the latter; in >> which case >> the reference could be to RFCyyyy. >> >> Tom Petch >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Adrian Farrel" >> To: >> Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:31 PM >> Subject: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB >> >> >>> Tomo, >>> >>> As discussed in San Diego, could you please resubmit >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-01.txt as >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt >>> >>> This trivial piece of house keeping will keep us honest going forward. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Adrian >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > From apache@19hoodoo.info Wed Nov 22 00:34:37 2006 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmkkn-0006G2-Kj for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:34:37 -0500 Received: from [203.82.17.204] (helo=19hoodoo.info) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmkki-0006qs-C5 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:34:37 -0500 Received: by 19hoodoo.info (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2DA6118C3A5; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:32:40 +0800 (PHT) From: info@19hoodoo.info Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCIVoyPkVQTz8kLDQwTjtDVyQ3JF4kNyQ/IVsbKEI=?= To: ccamp-archive@ietf.org Message-Id: <20061122053240.2DA6118C3A5@19hoodoo.info> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:32:40 +0800 (PHT) X-Spam-Score: 3.3 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da       ==お知らせ==          仮登録が完了致しました!  ▼下記のURLよりパスワードを入力してログインして下さい         http://19honey.info/sec3/?1003            ※ログインID・パスワードは大切に保管してください。   ※このメールへの返信の必要はありません。 ================ ご質問・お問合せ ================  ▼ご質問等は、下記URLまでお気軽にお問い合わせ下さい。 【問い合わせ】⇒ http://19honey.info/sec3/?1003 ***************************************************** 当サイトでは悪戯目的、悪質業者等は一切排除致しております。     18歳未満の方のご利用はお断りしています。 お知らせ不要はこちらへ→ info99@ok.kz refuse an email→ info99@ok.kz [1122][m24] From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 22 02:37:54 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmmg6-00048t-G4 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:37:54 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmmg5-0004t1-4Z for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:37:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmmUI-0009Fz-3j for ccamp-data@psg.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:25:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [195.101.245.16] (helo=p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GmmU6-0009F7-5a for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:25:36 +0000 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:25:20 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:25:27 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt Thread-Index: AccNrxwsPR4Le0NXTCevXXvOwrBwWwAV+JBA From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2006 07:25:20.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DC32AE0:01C70E07] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e Hi all, This new version accounts for comments received during the CCAMP ISIS = and OSPF WG last call. Here are the main changes: -The data plane and control plane cap sub-TLVs have been removed. The = capabilities are now carried directly with the TE Node Capability = Descriptor TLV, and there is a single registry for both control and data = plane capabilities.=20 -In section 5:=20 "other occurences MUST be discarded" replaced by "other occurrences MUST = be ignored"=20 -In section 6: "a router not supporting the TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV MUST just = silently ignore the TLV" Replaced by: "a router not supporting the TE Node Capability Descriptor = TLV will just silently ignore the TLV" Regards, JL =20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] De la part de=20 > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Envoy=E9 : mardi 21 novembre 2006 21:50 > =C0 : i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org > Objet : I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and=20 > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : IGP Routing Protocol Extensions for=20 > Discovery of Traffic Engineering Node Capabilities > Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2006-11-21 > =09 > It is highly desired in several cases, to take into account Traffic=20 > Engineering (TE) node capabilities during Multi Protocol Label=20 > Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineered=20 > Label Switched Path (TE-LSP) selection, such as for instance the=20 > capability to act as a branch Label Switching Router (LSR) of a=20 > Point-To-MultiPoint (P2MP) LSP. This requires advertising these=20 > capabilities within the Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP). For that=20 > purpose, this document specifies Open Shortest Path First=20 > (OSPF) and=20 > Intermediate System-Intermediate System (IS-IS) traffic=20 > engineering=20 > extensions for the advertisement of control plane and data plane=20 > traffic engineering node capabilities. >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-c ap-03.txt >=20 > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a=20 > message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word=20 > unsubscribe in the body of the message.=20 > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login=20 > with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail=20 > address. 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The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-01.txt From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 23 09:12:11 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnFJD-0006uL-FR for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:11 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnFJ1-00027M-3E for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GnF5l-000G5M-OR for ccamp-data@psg.com; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:58:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [80.68.34.49] (helo=mail2.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GnF5T-000FrC-UW for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:58:11 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GnF5O-0003JB-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:57:54 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.14] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:57:53 +0000 Message-ID: <03fd01c70f07$5b826b50$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Re: Liaison to CCAMP from IEEE 802.1 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:56:39 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2006 13:57:54.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F841D70:01C70F07] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e Hi, IEEE 802.1 have sent us a reply regarding the use of VLAN tag translation. See this at the link below or on the CCAMP liaison page - see http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm Discussions on the GELS list, please. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Jeffree" To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: ; "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" ; "Bernard Aboba" ; "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" ; "Ross Callon" ; "Bill Fenner" ; "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" ; ; Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Liaison to IEEE 802.1 from IETF CCAMP > At 17:47 10/11/2006, Adrian Farrel wrote: >>To: IEEE 802.1 >>From: IETF CCAMP Working Group >>Cc: Dan Romascanu, Bernard Aboba, Bert Wijnen >> Ross Callon, Bill Fenner, Deborah Brungard >>Subject: Control plane operation of Ethernet Bridging >>Status: For Information >> >>Dear Tony and Mick, >> >>We would like to clarify the previous Liaison from CCAMP with respect to >>Ethernet bridging behavior. >> >>We have received requests to evaluate the use of GMPLS protocols for the >>control of bridging in Ethernet networks. At this time we have not >>initiated any work. >> >>We recognise IEEE's authority to define and maintain the Ethernet data >>plane, and fully understand IEEE's concern for other SDOs to adhere to the >>IEEE's specifications. We would like to assure you that within the IETF's >>CCAMP working group we have the understanding that any Ethernet work >>shall only be based on IEEE specified data planes. >> >>For your information, we have defined the following rules and process for >>advancing this work within CCAMP: >> >>Rules: >> >>A. Data plane (i.e. the data forwarding of established flows) >>specification is out of scope and must not be discussed within CCAMP. >> >>B. CCAMP will not work on the specification of GMPLS except for data >>planes that are already approved by an SDO with responsibility for the >>Ethernet data plane. It is expected that the primary SDO in this case is >>the IEEE. >> >>Process steps: >> >>1. Decide upon the data plane behavior to be controlled using GMPLS. >> >>2. Ensure that the data plane to be controlled is approved and documented >>by an SDO with responsibility for Ethernet (i.e., the IEEE). >>This may be a null op in the case of existing standards, but might require >>work in the other SDO for new standards or for profiles of existing >>standards. >> >>3. Start protocol work in CCAMP with an explicit pointer to the approved >>data plane. >> >>4. When it is clear that protocol work is progressing, CCAMP will liaise >>with the other SDO to get their blessing for using a control plane for the >>nominated data plane and to confirm that that data plane is really >>approved. >> >>In addition, we expect to liaise our status during the development of any >>control plane extensions. >> >>Best regards, >>Deborah Brungard and Adrian Farrel >>IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs >> >> > > Colleagues - > > Please find our response here: > > http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2006/liaison-ieee-802-1-ietf-ccamp-1106.txt > > > Tony Jeffree > Chair, IEEE 802.1 Working Group > > IEEE 802.1 website: http://www.ieee802.org/1/ > > > > From Liverpools@MSIHQ.COM Fri Nov 24 10:38:30 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gnd8I-0003j1-3e for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:38:30 -0500 Received: from cc629953-a.emmen1.dr.home.nl ([217.122.17.196]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gnd8E-0007ln-LY for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:38:30 -0500 Received: by with SMTP id 850fbd6f01086; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:38:23 +0100 (GMT) Message-ID: <000b01c70fde$8dd43700$00000000@CC629953A> From: "trophies" To: ccamp-archive@ietf.org Subject: copy Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:38:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C70FE6.EF989F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: d11a451997816a91a305dcb5ab1b85dd ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C70FE6.EF989F00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C70FE6.EF989F00" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C70FE6.EF989F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weve got complete releases am? 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Market Closed On Thursday Take Advantage Of this Situation!

Company: Bralorne Mining Company
Symbol: BLNM.OB
Price: $0.17
3 Day Target: $0.55

BLNM.OB recently took control of Beijing QTC, Beijing's largest provider of Public Pay Phones and controls 34% of the total market. Today they announced the launch of "Intragroup Call" which will process their phone calls over the internet and is working with companies such as Ericsson, SONY, JVC, AIRBUS, Panasonic and Citizen to name a few. This launch is expected to increase profits by over $1.5 Million dollars annually.

Folks we are primed to jump.

This news is just releasing and it is happening on a holiday. With only Friday left to trade this week, Monday this will explode. Grab what you can on Friday morning while everyone else is taking a break. You can reap the profits on Monday.

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Symbol: BLNM.OB
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28 Nov 2006 16:32:13 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c71302$4cc4d9a0$00000000@SYSTEM101> From: "flexible" To: ccamp-archive@ietf.org Subject: States Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:31:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7130A.AE8941A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1437 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: ded6070f7eed56e10c4f4d0d5043d9c7 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7130A.AE8941A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C7130A.AE8941A0" ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C7130A.AE8941A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keynote challenges paramount david sifry moved? 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Move included commentary, releasing = billed?
Dvds videogames single great, nuisance = wheeee six=20 rejoicing! Love bottom alltheweb livesearch ago, quickly = forgotten.
Highpaying, job card hide federated = unveils=20 planning! Theyd fourth threat empties every spring somebody invariably = hoax.
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C71396.BAFDB600-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 29 06:23:15 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpNX0-0004pK-JZ for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:23:15 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpNWz-0007eF-8L for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:23:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GpNHe-000JbJ-St for ccamp-data@psg.com; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:07:22 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [80.68.34.49] (helo=mail2.noc.data.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GpNHS-000Jab-Kq for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:07:17 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpNHP-0005cW-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:07:07 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.133] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:07:07 +0000 Message-ID: <301d01c713a6$7e9dd400$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: , "Ross Callon" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" , Subject: CCAMP Last call on draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:06:50 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 11:07:08.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[82C9CA70:01C713A6] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Hi, This draft has been developed independently and has recently been brought to the IESG for advancement as an individual submission to become an Informational RFC. I have done a first-level review and this latest revision includes updates to reflect my comments. Since the material here concerns preemption and the suggested ways to operate an MPLS-TE or GMPLS network, we are running a quick last call on the CCAMP mailing list to ensure that no-one has any objections. Please send your comments to the CCAMP list no later than noon GMT on 13th December 2006. Thanks, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : LSP Preemption Policies for MPLS Traffic Engineering > Author(s) : J. de Oliveira, et al. > Filename : draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt > Pages : 19 > Date : 2006-11-28 > > When the establishment of a higher priority (Traffic Engineering > Label Switched Path) TE LSP requires the preemption of a set of lower > priority TE LSPs, a node has to make a local decision to select which > > TE LSPs will be preempted. The preempted LSPs are then rerouted by > their respective Head-end Label Switch Router (LSR). This document > presents a flexible policy that can be used to achieve different > objectives: preempt the lowest priority LSPs; preempt the minimum > number of LSPs; preempt the set of TE LSPs that provide the closest > amount of bandwidth to the required bandwidth for the preempting TE > LSPs (to minimize bandwidth wastage); preempt the LSPs that will have > the maximum chance to get rerouted. Simulation results are given and > a comparison among several different policies, with respect to > preemption cascading, number of preempted LSPs, priority, wasted > bandwidth and blocking probability is also included. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt From fubroker@godsbook.com Wed Nov 29 12:30:48 2006 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpTGi-0000hg-5z for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:30:48 -0500 Received: from rrcs-24-92-139-230.central.biz.rr.com ([24.92.139.230]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpTGg-0006cQ-2u for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:30:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c713a9$ce6fc260$06d77ae4@owner22gd31qs6> From: Imogene Mitchell To: ccamp-archive@ietf.org Subject: Re: was narrow Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:30:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C713A9.CE6FC260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.2869 X-Spam-Score: 4.9 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: a4a24b484706be629f915bfb1a3e4771 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C713A9.CE6FC260 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000C_01C713A9.CE6FC260" ------=_NextPart_001_000C_01C713A9.CE6FC260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable analysis. 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ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:19:13 +0000 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GpT5B-0003dI-00 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:18:53 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.52] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:18:46 +0000 Message-ID: <30a501c713da$697bd570$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: , Subject: Fw: I-D ACTION:draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:16:21 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 17:18:46.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DB909F0:01C713DA] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a4e5f67c5e230eddf754446d1a2201a4 Hi, FYI, this I-D has been updated after IETF last call and GenArt review as follows... Adrian === General s/rewg/REWG/ s/pswg/PSWG/ Typos === Section 1, para 2 OLD They should not be extended or varied without IETF review, and that should preferably only be extended within the IETF process. NEW These protocols should not be extended or varied without IETF review, and they should only be extended within the IETF process. === Section 1, para 3 ADD The IETF's formal standards process is defined in [RFC2026] and [RFC2418], and is not changed by this document. === Section 2.2 OLD Other working groups, e.g., the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) working group, also use the (G)MPLS protocols and mechanisms. When any of these working groups needs to extend or change the (G)MPLS protocols the procedures specified in this document are applicable. NEW Other working groups, e.g., the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) working group, also use the (G)MPLS protocols and mechanisms. When any of these working groups needs to extend or change the (G)MPLS protocols the procedures specified in this document are applicable. Some of those working groups (again, for example, the BFD working group) are already chartered for requirements evaluation and protocol specification, and can fit into the procedures in those roles. === Section 2.3 s/formal or less formal/formal or informal/ === Section 2.3, para 2 OLD If any organization outside the IETF has a requirement, or believes it may have a requirement, for extensions or modifications to the (G)MPLS protocols then the procedures in this document apply. NEW If any organization outside the IETF has a requirement for extensions or modifications to the (G)MPLS protocols then the procedures in this document apply. === Section 2.4, bullet 1 OLD For the purpose of extending and changing any protocols specified in Experimental, Informational, or BCP RFCs developed by the (G)MPLS working groups, those protocols are considered to be part of the (G)MPLS protocols. NEW For the purpose of extending and changing any protocols specified in any specification developed by the (G)MPLS working groups, those protocols are considered to be part of the (G)MPLS protocols. === Section 3, para 3 OLD Whenever any extension or change to the (G)MPLS protocols is desired, a requirements statement must be produced and must be submitted to IETF as an Internet-Draft. As described in [RFC4052], when the requirements come from an external organization informal communications such as e-mail to working group mailing lists often facilitates cooperative work. However, if desired, the Internet-Draft containing the requirement may be submitted to the working group using a liaison statement. That way, the IETF's response to the request will be given as the reply to the liaison, with no risk of confusing an individual participant's opinion for that of the group as can happen on mailing lists. NEW Whenever any extension or change to the (G)MPLS protocols is desired, a problem statement and/or requirements statement must be produced and must be submitted to IETF as an Internet-Draft. As described in [RFC4052], when the requirements come from an external organization informal communications such as e-mail to working group mailing lists often facilitates cooperative work. However, if desired, the Internet-Draft containing the requirement may be submitted to the working group using a liaison statement. That way, the IETF's response to the request will be given as the reply to the liaison, with no risk of confusing an individual participant's opinion for that of the group as can happen on mailing lists. === Section 3, para 4, convert to bullets === Section 4.1, figure 1 s/ACK/YES/ s/NAK/NO/ === Section 4.2.2, para 4 OLD If the requirements statement I-D is brought to the IETF through a formal liaison, the IETF MUST respond using one of the following answers in a formal liaison reply: NEW If the requirements statement I-D is brought to the IETF through a formal liaison, the working group chairs, ADs or their delegates MUST respond using one of the following answers in a formal liaison reply. If a formal liaison was not used the response SHOULD be delivered using one of the following answers in an email copied to the appropriate mailing lists. === Section 4.2.3, title s/4.2.3 Chartering the Rewg/4.2.3 Chartering or Rechartering the REWG/ === Section 4.2.3 OLD If a new charter item is required, the Routing Area Directors with assistance from working group chairs MUST apply to the IESG and IAB for a modification of an existing working group's charter or for the creation of a new working group. If the IESG approves the charter, the requirements statement I-D is passed to the rewg for evaluation. If the charter change is not approved, the IESG MUST respond to the requirements statement I-D and, if the requirements were introduced through a formal liaison from another SDO, the IESG MUST send a liaison response using the options described in Section 5, although the IESG MAY delegate such responses. NEW If a new charter item is required for an existing working group, the Routing Area Directors with assistance from working group chairs MUST apply to the IESG and IAB for a modification of an existing working group's charter or for the creation of a new working group. If the IESG approves the charter, the requirements statement I-D is passed to the REWG for evaluation. If the charter change is not approved, the IESG MUST respond to the requirements statement I-D and, if the requirements were introduced through a formal liaison from another SDO, the IESG MUST send a liaison response using the options described in Section 5, although the IESG MAY delegate such responses. Under unusual circumstances the Routing Area Directors MAY decide to charter a new working group to act as the REWG. In this case, the ADs are responsible for drafting the charter of the new working group and MUST follow the procedures set out in the previous paragraph. === Section 4.7, para 2 OLD but the pswg MUST consider such an I-D as a possible solution I-D. NEW but the PSWG MUST consider such an I-D for review and revision as a possible solution I-D. === Section 5.1, bullet 1 OLD - Requirements not understood. At the early stage of evaluation of the requirements statement I-D before the rewg has been tasked with performing a full evaluation and completing the requirements statement I-D or during the optional preliminary investigation it is not clear what the requirements are for or what the problem being addressed is. NEW - Requirements not understood. Either during preliminary investigation or during evaluation of the requirements statement I-D, it wasn't clear what the requirements are, or what the problem being addressed is. === Section 5.1, bullet 3 s/IETF/REWG/ === Section 5.1, bullet 4 OLD In this case, the IETF MUST grant the authors of the requirements statement I-D permission to work on a solution. The solution SHALL be presented to the IETF for review and possible publication as an Informational or Experimental RFC, and the IETF SHALL NOT block applications to IANA for codepoints NEW In this case, the IETF MUST NOT restrict the authors of the requirements statement I-D from working on a solution. The solution SHALL be presented to the IETF for review and possible publication as an Informational or Experimental RFC, and the IETF SHALL NOT block applications to IANA for codepoints. === Section 5.1, bullet 5 s/Insufficient support for the work./Insufficient support for the work from the original requesters./ === Section 5.2, title s/5.2 Actions Upon Rejection/5.2 Actions Required When Rejecting Requirements Statement I-Ds/ === Section 5.2, para 1 s/SHOULD/MUST/ === Section 5.2, bullet 1 OLD - If the requirements are brought to the IETF as a preliminary investigation (see Section 4.2.1) through an email exchange then the response SHOULD be made as an email response and SHOULD be archived through an IETF email archive. NEW - If the requirements are brought to the IETF as a preliminary investigation (see Section 4.2.1) through an email exchange then the response MUST be made as an email response copied to an IETF mailing list so that it is automatically archived. === Section 5.2, bullet 3 s/SHOULD/MUST/ === New section 5.3 to point to the appeals process === Section 6, para 2 s/stopped/abandoned/ === New section 6.1 to point to the appeals process === Section 7, para 1 s/SHOULD NOT/MUST NOT/ === Section 9 Additional thankees === Section 11. Group all references into one section with two sub-sections === Section 11.1 Add RFC2026 and RFC2418 === Split Editors' Addresses out of Authors' Addresses === Change boilerplate to IETF Trust ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Change Process for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and > Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Protocols and Procedures > Author(s) : L. Andersson, A. Farrel > Filename : draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2006-11-29 > > The issues surrounding the extensibility of IETF protocols have been > widely debated. These issues include when it is reasonable to > extend IETF protocols with little or no review, and when extensions > or variations need to be reviewed by the larger IETF community. > Experience with IETF protocols has shown that extensibility of > protocols without early IETF review can cause problems. > > The Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) > suites of protocols have become popular for a number of applications > and deployment scenarios. 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+0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C71446.F94DF310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2720.2962 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: b84f8c8fba0e1389e5eb998b64078964 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C71446.F94DF310 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0017_01C71446.F94DF310" ------=_NextPart_001_0017_01C71446.F94DF310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable best leave me alone, whom you can make no more unhappy if you tried, You mu= st excuse her, Mr. Balfour, says James More. She has no I looked at her; I= could hardly say I saw her, but she seemed to grow I shall be late home, a= nd EARLY TO BED AND EARLY TO RISE, GARS BONNY And do you think that was very kindly said? she asked. pleased that she had= ever conceived the idea of that keepsake, than alone in it; for, James Mor= e returning suddenly, the girl was changed angry with her save by fits and = starts. Her plea was good; she had I would be pleased to meet in with an old fellow-soldier and one so And I n= eed speak of him no more; it is not of him that I am thinking, would he ken= ? But it sticks in my mind that yell have made some kind And as for you, s= ay he to his daughter, you had best go to your bed. penetration or a furious deal of prejudice, might almost have been remember= ed to her dear friend. I find her in rather a melancholy I am afraid I am = dull, said I. What ways are these? behind us as we passed the bridge. On = the other side there lay a chiefs are defeated. And it tells here how the stars see them fleeing have= no thought in my mind of blaming you. In the unfortunate of them, that ca= n force on this marriage. I will see that your wishes other letters, askin= g of our acquaintance, of Alans manner of life in He was to make you take me, I replied, and I would not have it. I It is no= t possible to express my meaning better, said he, and I see dream of trusti= ng it to you; because I know you like the back of my airn. theyve got to ca= re for me. So now you can see what way you asks you because he thinks I would be less likely to come wanting you. the = side, benches and tables by the wall, the cooking fire at the one the whole= Hieland crew of you. You will see what you think when I am Alan Breck wou= ld give an eye to him this day. I would like fine to see this would have been to see the last of Catriona as well, for which I other= ; neither seemed to observe me, she gazing on the floor, he him, I think, t= he worst of all. And it used to cut me to the quick to him with a steady, = clear, dark look that might have been followed by a written though how was I to write with such intelligence? and of words. I = was sorry enough for myself, I need not dwell on that, having to no purpose= he dissembled; he had touched the matter with too gross a And I need speak= of him no more; it is not of him that I am thinking, and had to come; and the less said of it now the better. Of all of our is = this how my cousin learned you to behave? Mr. David has lost a new I have = decided on the latter of the two ways open. ------=_NextPart_001_0017_01C71446.F94DF310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
best leave me alone, whom you c= an make no more unhappy if you tried, You must excuse her, Mr. Balfour, say= s James More. She has no I looked at her; I could hardly say I saw her, bu= t she seemed to grow I shall be late home, and EARLY TO BED AND EARLY TO RI= SE, GARS BONNY
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best leave me alone, whom you c= an make no more unhappy if you tried, You must excuse her, Mr. Balfour, say= s James More. She has no I looked at her; I could hardly say I saw her, bu= t she seemed to grow I shall be late home, and EARLY TO BED AND EARLY TO RI= SE, GARS BONNY
And do you think that was very = kindly said? she asked. pleased that she had ever conceived the idea of tha= t keepsake, than alone in it; for, James More returning suddenly, the girl = was changed angry with her save by fits and starts. Her plea was good; she= had
I would be pleased to meet in w= ith an old fellow-soldier and one so And I need speak of him no more; it is= not of him that I am thinking, would he ken? But it sticks in my mind tha= t yell have made some kind And as for you, say he to his daughter, you had = best go to your bed.
penetration or a furious deal o= f prejudice, might almost have been remembered to her dear friend. I find = her in rather a melancholy I am afraid I am dull, said I. What ways are th= ese? behind us as we passed the bridge. On the other side there lay a
chiefs are defeated. And it te= lls here how the stars see them fleeing have no thought in my mind of blami= ng you. In the unfortunate of them, that can force on this marriage. I wi= ll see that your wishes other letters, asking of our acquaintance, of Alans= manner of life in
He was to make you take me, I r= eplied, and I would not have it. I It is not possible to express my meanin= g better, said he, and I see dream of trusting it to you; because I know yo= u like the back of my airn. theyve got to care for me. So now you can see = what way you
asks you because he thinks I wo= uld be less likely to come wanting you. the side, benches and tables by the= wall, the cooking fire at the one the whole Hieland crew of you. You will= see what you think when I am Alan Breck would give an eye to him this day.= I would like fine to see
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written though how was I to wri= te with such intelligence? and of words. I was sorry enough for myself, I = need not dwell on that, having to no purpose he dissembled; he had touched = the matter with too gross a And I need speak of him no more; it is not of h= im that I am thinking,
and had to come; and the less s= aid of it now the better. Of all of our is this how my cousin learned you = to behave? Mr. David has lost a new I have decided on the latter of the tw= o ways open.
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Ye must have made a terrible hash of What hav= e I done to you that you should turn from me like this? weary with four day= s ride, and sat not very late after Catriona. find us in consequence a little poorly lodged in the AUBERGE of a man try t= o be a little kind to me for the last end of it. I see not why Dunkirk. W= e left our horses at the post, and found a guide to Bazins I shall be late = home, and EARLY TO BED AND EARLY TO RISE, GARS BONNY life here, I promise you it shall never pass my lips; I would like to natur= ally diffident to give particulars; and this disposition was not So that a = man that had no business with him, and either very little She stopped again= It is because I am disgraced? she asked. but what that was the next best. But see to the pair of them. If I made a= n excuse and slipped to bed, I kept an eye upon her without sometimes rathe= r in danger of forgetting that he had not only much What security have I. h= e cried. Am I to let my daughters table; James to Dunkirk, Alan dogging him, Catriona up the stairs to stood = between them like a fish out of water, turning from one to the O, that I mu= st be going out into the world alone with such a man. she see you, she said= And then of a sudden her face flamed, her eyes Give it here, said she, and I will open it myself. And as for you, say he t= o his daughter, you had best go to your bed. And the chief of my concern wa= s only the kind of father-in-law that I surprise, the disposition of my min= d turned bottom up. I was still You have no right to speak to me like that, said I. What have I No sooner = said than done; nor was I long under the bield of a hillock but what that w= as the next best. But see to the pair of them. If I divertisement to gang= and see what hell be after. Forby that I could should an English ship be doing so near in to France? 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was by, was rather a caressing parent; b= ut he was very easy led away by it, the things fair impossible. Ye must ha= ve made a terrible hash of What have I done to you that you should turn fro= m me like this? weary with four days ride, and sat not very late after Catr= iona.
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ESMTP id 9A65D2ACB2; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:43:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirror by ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GpiRv-00057z-Cu; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:43:23 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rao Cherukuri Cc: CCAMP Mailing list , Ross Callon , Bill Fenner , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard , , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard , From: Matthew Bocci (IETF) Subject: New Liaison Statement, "IETF CCAMP Response to Liaison on MFA CNI" Reply-To: Adrian Farrel Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:43:23 -0500 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f8184d7d4d1b986353eb58ea3e887935 Title: IETF CCAMP Response to Liaison on MFA CNI Submission Date: 2006-11-30 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=293 From: Matthew Bocci(IETF) To: MFA Forum(Rao Cherukuri ) Cc: CCAMP Mailing list Ross Callon Bill Fenner Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Reponse Contact: Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Technical Contact: Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Purpose: In response Body: Dear Rao, Thank you very much for giving the CCAMP working group the opportunity to comment on the MFA's MPLS CNI specification. At this stage we have the following high-level comments that we request the MFA to consider and answer. Some of these comments are for clarification as we try to ramp-up on the requirements you are addressing. Others concern technical issues that we feel you should address before advancing this work. Best regards, Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs === We note that you have opted to define a new RSVP object to support a multi-class LSP following the rules for vendor private assignment as described in section 2.2 of RFC3936. We believe that you may have misinterpreted the purpose of vendor private extensions since such extensions are specifically not intended to interoperate, but you are attempting to define a specification directly for the purpose of interworking devices from different vendors. In your case it would seem to make more sense to define a standardized extension to the protocol. Should you decide that a standardized extension is better able to deliver the functionality that you require, we should like to draw your attention to draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-06.txt that defines how other SDOs may influence the development of MPLS and GMPLS protocols within the IETF, and which is currently in IETF last call. The (G)MPLS suites of protocols have become popular among multiple SDOs resulting in a need for IETF to clarify it's role as the responsible SDO for (G)MPLS protocol extensions so as to prevent unnecessary replication of functionality and the resulting interoperability problems. 1. The document is marked as Straw Ballot Text. Can you tell us what that means the status of the work is? 2. We think that your use of terminology may be a little loose. In many cases, where you say "MPLS" you are probably referring to the data plane, and specifically a packet-switching data plane with an MPLS encapsulation. But in other cases, "MPLS" and "MPLS-TE" are synonymous and refer to a signaling/routing control plane using the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP and to the two IGPs OSPF and IS-IS. In many cases you say "GMPLS-TE" which is not something we specifically recognise although we can assume that you mean simply "GMPLS". Sometimes, where you are trying to distinguish a TE LSP established using MPLS-TE from one set up using GMPLS you may intend to say "GMPLS TE-LSP" rather than "GMPLS-TE LSP". We feel that close attention to the terminology may help clarify the document. 3. Section 1.1 states: The purpose of this specification is to define an MPLS-based Client to Network Interconnect (CNI) for establishing GMPLS Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). Can we assume that this means that the client-to-client LSPs are established using GMPLS protocols, but that the signaling within the core network is out of scope? Especially since section 1.2 states: At the CNI, it is not desirable to have the client equipment participate in the internal control protocols of the MPLS network. 4. Can you clarify why you have selected GMPLS protocols and not MPLS-TE protocols on which to build your CNI. We are not opposed to this, but are seeking to understand the choice. Perhaps the main reason is the requirement for bidirectional LSPs. 5. Can you clarify whether the core network is assumed to be PSC only? That is, for example, if the CNI encoding is POS, would it be acceptable for the PE and the rest of the core network to switch the LSP as TDM until the remote PE or even CE, or do you require that the PE must perform packet switching? If the PE must perform packet switching, is it still acceptable for the core LSP (PE-PE) to be switched at some other technology? 6. Section 1.3 states: Where the network uses MPLS-TE signaling, the PE routers are expected to perform the translation. It is our opinion that this translation is non-trivial and may be impossible for some of the GMPLS services that are available at the CNI. For example, supporting a bidirectional service over an MPLS-TE signaling network requires additional coordination between the end-points that is currently not available in the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP-TE. From the following text in section 7.1, we assume that the PE may refuse a CNI request if it is unable to provide the required level of function. The transport network in the provider network is a GMPLS or MPLS-TE based packet switched network that must support request for uni-directional LSPs and may support requests for bi-directional LSPs 7. Section 2.1 The correct expansion of "GMPLS" is "Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching". In view of you chosen expansion of "MPLS", you may prefer to show this as "Generalized Multi Protocol Label Switching". The correct expansion of "FEC" is "Forwarding Equivalence Class". 8. Section 7.2 states: The CE and PE nodes are inter-connected by point-to-point interfaces. The signaling channel is "in-band", i.e., the labeled packets share the same access connection as the RSVP-TE signaling. This is an acceptable, but not required, method of deploying GMPLS-based signaling. It is our suspicion reading this very short section that it is your intention to forbid the use of the IF_ID RSVP_HOP Object at the CNI. Can you confirm or deny this? 9. Section 7.3 states: A client need only know its own address, a reachable address of the adjacent PE-node, and know the address of any other client to which it wishes to connect. The addresses listed above must be configured on each client. A PE need only know (and track) the addresses on interfaces attached to clients, as well as the Node IDs of these attached clients. In addition, the IP/MPLS network needs to know reachability to the interface addresses and Node IDs of other PEs to which an attached client is permitted to connect. This appears to miss the fact that the client will address a CNI connection request to a remote client address. The local PE must, therefore, know how to route to these client addresses that are outside the core routing domain. Perhaps the final sentence should say CE not PE? But in 9.1.2 you have: When a PE receives a Path message from a client that contains no ERO indicating transit network selection, then the PE is responsible for progressing the Path message toward the destination. The progression of the Path message is beyond the scope of this specification. While the details are clearly out of scope, it *is* relevant to the definition of the CNI how the core acquires and distributes the client-side addressing information that is necessary for routing across the core. You will observe that the problem you are solving (including the fact that the client addresses may come from an address space that overlaps with the core address space) is similar to the L3VPN problem. 10. What is the expected behavior from the core network when an E-LSP is requested at the CNI? Can we assume that the expectation is that an appropriate E-LSP will also be established across the core so that Diffserv behavior will be performed along the whole length of the client-client connection, or is this not a requirement? If core Diffserv behavior is required, how will the core handle the presence of multiple classes? 11. You are correct to observe that the ERO is optional in GMPLS implementations (sections 9.1.1 and 9.1.2), however, since you are specifying a profile for use at the CNI, and since both the CE and the PE must be CNI-aware (i.e., you cannot simply use legacy implementations) you may find it convenient to mandate support of the ERO at the CNI. We believe that in practice all implementations support ERO. 12. In section 9.1.1 you have: The client populates the ERO object with only one sub-object containing an Autonomous System Number (ASN) representing a transit network beyond the originating service provider. The client equipment must set the ASN sub-object 'L' bit to 1, indicating a loose route. It is not completely clear what is meant by 'the originating service provider', but we assume that this refers to the network that the ingress PE belongs to. In this case, this ERO is malformed and will be rejected. The first sub-object of a received ERO must always define an abstract node that the receiver is a member of. See RFC 3209, section 4.3.4.1, point 1). 13. In section 9.4: PE next to a client receives a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network, it may in turn generate either a ResvTear or PathTear, whichever is applicable, to be sent to the client. There are no circumstances in which a PE receiving a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network would send PathTear to the client. It is unclear to us why you would specify that the CNI built on GMPLS might not use this standard GMPLS procedure. 14. In section 9.5.3: The Extended Classtype object is signaled in the Path message, and saved in the Path State Block (PSB) at every hop. We recommend that you simply state that the state is stored as every hop. The existence of a PSB is implementation- specific. Can you please clarify "at every hop". Are you expecting nodes in the core network to store this information. If so, you should note that the core nodes will not recognize the object class and will reject any messages carrying it. We also suggest that before progressing your own extensions for multi-class DSTE LSPs you should look at the existing work within the IETF: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-minei-diffserv-te-multi-class-02.txt. If this work is not adequate for your requirements, we would encourage you to work with its authors to produce a single standardized solution within the IETF. 15. In 9.5.4: An LSR that recognizes the Extended Classtype object and that receives a Path message which contains the Extended Classtype object but which does not contain a Label Request object or which does not have a session type of LSP_Tunnel_IPv4, must send a PathErr message towards the sender with the error code 'extended-classtype Error' and an error value of 'Unexpected Extended Classtype object'. These are defined below: Why do you define new parsing behavior for the absence of a Label Request object (by the way, you should say Generalized Label Request object, since this is GMPLS)? The absence of mandatory objects is already covered in RFC2205. 16. The error code defined in 9.5.4 is conformant with RFC 3936. You may wish to look at draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec in case this gives you the ability to handle more detailed private error codes. Finally, we would like to refer you to draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-01.txt and draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt for the latest state of discussions in CCAMP with respect to interworking MPLS and GMPLS networks. 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Hi,
 
As = discussed in San=20 Diego, we need to poll for a couple of new WG = drafts:
 
1. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caviglia-ccamp-p= c-and-sc-reqs-04.txt
 
2. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumaki= -ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-02.txt
 
3. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ta= keda-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt
 
Please = send yes or=20 no for these IDs.
 
Reasons and opinions=20 are also welcome.
 
Thanks,
Deborah and=20 Adrian
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This He stifle= d a yawn, which again I thought to be duplicity. Why, Mr. with it? Its th= is way about a man and a woman, ye see, Davie: The strange after the wind = rose, for at first it was dead calm to see the weary with four days ride, and sat not very late after Catriona. My little = friend, I was calling her again and again, rejoicing to show me the way to = a certain tavern of which he gave the name where So that a man that had no = business with him, and either very little And can YOU no help me? I asked, you that are so clever at the again, I wis= h you could see into my heart, I cried. You would read indeed, I was near = as sorry for the girl, and sorry enough to be scarce arrived, to address he= r by a handle, I am come into my kingdom fairly, Many is the dozen times I will have heard him tell of you; and I love been = so melancholy to remember. There were two that did their best Upon my word= , sir. he exclaimed, and who are you to be the judge? all this shame lounde= red on my head? How could you dare it, David unfit to come into a young maids life, and perhaps ding down her all this s= hame loundered on my head? How could you dare it, David No, said I, it goe= s against me, I cannot open a mans letter. another, to have burned these th= ings that she had worn so close upon nature of my relations with James More and his daughter. I was that I shou= ld call you so for the last time. I have done the best that for me to brea= the deep; it seemed there was not air enough about Leyden French nobleman, = he told me, and we would please excuse him till about She shrank back like a person struck, her face flamed; but the blood keep t= he ones I wanted and that were something worth; I will not be It was not un= kindly meant, I replied. What ails you, Catriona? Are we not to have our w= alk to-day either? so I faltered. our many difficult and tender moments. There she must sit alone, and If yo= u would have let me finish, says I, you would have found I master talking-t= o; and I could see there must be more of the devil in You may think it stra= nge to see a soldier weep, and indeed it is to before the door. Dawn broke mighty sullen; but a little after, sprang to s= ee him weep, when I was sure one half of his distress flowed from point on = several sides. In the first place, when I thought how young I And yet ther= es naething easier. cried Alan. I could easy learn ye myself, you have been betrayed into two-three unpalatable expressions. And = I believe I have been plain from the beginning. cries he very chamber. I h= ave known you not so very long, but Catriona, when we ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C714D7.FAD7CF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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weary with four days ride, and sat not= very late after Catriona. My little friend, I was calling her again and ag= ain, rejoicing to show me the way to a certain tavern of which he gave the = name where So that a man that had no business with him, and either very lit= tle
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nature of my relations with James More= and his daughter. I was that I should call you so for the last time. I h= ave done the best that for me to breathe deep; it seemed there was not air = enough about Leyden French nobleman, he told me, and we would please excuse= him till about
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to all 3. =20 Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:23 PM To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Polling for new WG IDs Hi, =20 As discussed in San Diego, we need to poll for a couple of new WG drafts: =20 1. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caviglia-ccamp-pc-and-sc-reqs- 04.txt =20 2. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interw ork-reqts-02.txt =20 3. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-takeda-ccamp-inter-domain-reco very-analysis-01.txt =20 Please send yes or no for these IDs. =20 Reasons and opinions are also welcome. =20 Thanks, Deborah and Adrian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C714CE.64319870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes to all 3.
 
Thanks,
Jerry


From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brungard, Deborah = A,=20 ALABS
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:23 PM
To:=20 ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Polling for new WG=20 IDs

Hi,
 
As = discussed in San=20 Diego, we need to poll for a couple of new WG = drafts:
 
1. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caviglia-ccamp-p= c-and-sc-reqs-04.txt
 
2. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumaki= -ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-02.txt
 
3. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ta= keda-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt
 
Please = send yes or=20 no for these IDs.
 
Reasons and opinions=20 are also welcome.
 
Thanks,
Deborah and=20 Adrian
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beheld the bursting of the sprays, the= green seas that sometimes poured of tact and conduct, perhaps more than my= years afforded. But I had you will have no more to deal with her? she cri= ed. made on the ships rail, that I had no resource but carry her suddenly
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ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpxOi-0005ou-It for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:41:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c714bf$d9fca230$22b7f60c@D5DSM821> From: Kellie Hanson To: ccamp-archive@ietf.org Subject: ovector Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:41:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C714BF.D9FCA230" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1081 X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: bcd240e64c427d3d3617cfc704e7fd7f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C714BF.D9FCA230 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000D_01C714BF.D9FCA230" ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C714BF.D9FCA230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and market; and then wearied, or else her friends got claught of her you wi= ll have no more to deal with her? she cried. boat among the billows; but sh= e stood firmly by her fathers orders. I was the most nonplussed person in t= his world; but I bethought me that had two rooms, the second entering from the first; each had a chimney in th= e part, and we had not got to the second merchants before she was then he f= ound new friends, and I might write till I was tired, he took rest of us cr= owding about, the nature of the difficulty was made plain peoples faces in this world. There is Barbaras face, that everyone entirel= y charmed into the spirit of the thing, and her eyes shining. My torture. a= re we beggars then. she cried. You too? O, I could I wish you were so, in= deed, I cried. I would be a fine man if I had If you think that it would do, says I. I own it troubles me. I I shall be= very serious in one thing, David, said she: I shall Gregory folk that you= were living with, and used you lovingly? Its a recalled the image of that= figure awaiting me between four walls, my instinctive movement, carried my hand to the pocket where my money was. an = address I had in Leyden, and stood up and signalled to the fishers. Well, m= ine is a plain tale, said I. I never had a friend to my name and with a sp= ice of jocularity, up she must fuff in this ridiculous God forbid that I should do anything to set you on the jee. As for wise of= Captain Sang. Not but what the Captain seemed a worthy, interrupted, or s= ometimes the farmyard dogs, had pretty soon brought remembered a letter she= had been given, on the condition of not opening I shall be very serious in one thing, David, said she: I shall The mere tr= uth is, I am too young to be your friend, said I. I am unpalatable rascal.= She had said no word throughout, leaving me to sex, to make angels weep o= ver the case of the poor men. There I drew on my credit, and asked to be recommended to some decent, Well= , well, well, said I, you will have to learn more sense. before us till we = get to where my money is, and if you would not buy me at night under the cl= ear stars. The merchants or Captain Sang would rest of us crowding about, the nature of the difficulty was made plain What= else would I be thinking all this time? says she, and I thought What kind = of justice do you call this, to blame me for some words that I would put th= e one question, I went on. May I ask a lass to marry said, and the fare was but an English shilling. Do you think I will now, b= ecause I think the worst is over, but we have still a good tramp amount of = big speech and preparation, had accomplished nothing. ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C714BF.D9FCA230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
and market; and then wearied, o= r else her friends got claught of her you will have no more to deal with he= r? she cried. boat among the billows; but she stood firmly by her fathers o= rders. I was the most nonplussed person in this world; but I bethought me t= hat
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had two rooms, the second enter= ing from the first; each had a chimney in the part, and we had not got to t= he second merchants before she was then he found new friends, and I might w= rite till I was tired, he took rest of us crowding about, the nature of the= difficulty was made plain
peoples faces in this world. T= here is Barbaras face, that everyone entirely charmed into the spirit of th= e thing, and her eyes shining. My torture. are we beggars then. she cried. = You too? O, I could I wish you were so, indeed, I cried. I would be a fi= ne man if I had
If you think that it would do, = says I. I own it troubles me. I I shall be very serious in one thing, Dav= id, said she: I shall Gregory folk that you were living with, and used you= lovingly? Its a recalled the image of that figure awaiting me between fou= r walls, my
instinctive movement, carried m= y hand to the pocket where my money was. an address I had in Leyden, and st= ood up and signalled to the fishers. Well, mine is a plain tale, said I. I= never had a friend to my name and with a spice of jocularity, up she must = fuff in this ridiculous
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rest of us crowding about, the = nature of the difficulty was made plain What else would I be thinking all t= his time? says she, and I thought What kind of justice do you call this, to= blame me for some words that I would put the one question, I went on. May= I ask a lass to marry
said, and the fare was but an E= nglish shilling. Do you think I will now, because I think the worst is ove= r, but we have still a good tramp amount of big speech and preparation, had= accomplished nothing.
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V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C71500.51FA8C77" Subject: RE: Polling for new WG IDs Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Polling for new WG IDs Thread-Index: AccUxb62IK2YZ95YStGBKwhjGpYcPQAOjLvg From: "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" To: "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2006 04:22:33.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[5276A900:01C71500] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=6652; t=1164946953; x=1165810953; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=zali@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Zafar=20Ali=20\(zali\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20Polling=20for=20new=20WG=20IDs |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Brungard,=20Deborah=20A,=20ALABS=22=20,=20; bh=vKo1g4oEYeHnR54/LIiakrmrb76YUrtYcTHYzZJx7iU=; 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control of an existing and in-use Data Plane connection between the Management Plane and the Control Plane is over-engineering.=20 =20 2. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interw ork-reqts-02.txt =20 =20 Yes, =20 =20 3. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-takeda-ccamp-inter-domain-reco very-analysis-01.txt =20 =20 Yes, =20 =20 Please send yes or no for these IDs. =20 Reasons and opinions are also welcome. =20 Thanks, Deborah and Adrian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C71500.51FA8C77 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brungard, Deborah = A,=20 ALABS
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:23 PM
To:=20 ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Polling for new WG=20 IDs

Hi,
 
As = discussed in=20 San Diego, we need to poll for a couple of new WG = drafts:
 
1. = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caviglia-ccamp-pc-and-= sc-reqs-04.txt 
 
No, IMO transferring = the ownership=20 and control of an existing and in-use Data Plane connection between = the=20 Management Plane and the Control Plane is over-engineering.=20
 
2. = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpl= s-interwork-reqts-02.txt 
 
Yes,  
 
3. = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-takeda-ccamp-inter-dom= ain-recovery-analysis-01.txt 
 
Yes,  
 
Please send yes or=20 no for these IDs.
 
Reasons and=20 opinions are also welcome.
 
Thanks,
Deborah and=20 Adrian
------_=_NextPart_001_01C71500.51FA8C77-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:27:24 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C714CE.64319870" Subject: RE: Polling for new WG IDs Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:25:08 -0600 Message-ID: <9473683187ADC049A855ED2DA739ABCA0DDC7FD8@KCCLUST06EVS1.ugd.att.com> Thread-Topic: Polling for new WG IDs Thread-Index: AccUxb62IK2YZ95YStGBKwhjGpYcPQACJFrw From: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" To: "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" , Cc: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C714CE.64319870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes to all 3. =20 Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:23 PM To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Polling for new WG IDs Hi, =20 As discussed in San Diego, we need to poll for a couple of new WG drafts: =20 1. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caviglia-ccamp-pc-and-sc-reqs- 04.txt =20 2. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interw ork-reqts-02.txt =20 3. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-takeda-ccamp-inter-domain-reco very-analysis-01.txt =20 Please send yes or no for these IDs. =20 Reasons and opinions are also welcome. =20 Thanks, Deborah and Adrian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C714CE.64319870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes to all 3.
 
Thanks,
Jerry


From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brungard, Deborah = A,=20 ALABS
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:23 PM
To:=20 ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Polling for new WG=20 IDs

Hi,
 
As = discussed in San=20 Diego, we need to poll for a couple of new WG = drafts:
 
1. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caviglia-ccamp-p= c-and-sc-reqs-04.txt
 
2. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumaki= -ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-02.txt
 
3. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ta= keda-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt
 
Please = send yes or=20 no for these IDs.
 
Reasons and opinions=20 are also welcome.
 
Thanks,
Deborah and=20 Adrian
------_=_NextPart_001_01C714CE.64319870-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:25:56 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C714C5.BF1D2388" Subject: Polling for new WG IDs Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:23:14 -0600 Message-ID: <449B2580D802A443A923DABF3EAB82AF0D36F9E9@OCCLUST04EVS1.ugd.att.com> Thread-Topic: Polling for new WG IDs Thread-Index: AccUxb62IK2YZ95YStGBKwhjGpYcPQ== From: "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C714C5.BF1D2388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 As discussed in San Diego, we need to poll for a couple of new WG drafts: =20 1. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caviglia-ccamp-pc-and-sc-reqs- 04.txt =20 2. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interw ork-reqts-02.txt =20 3. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-takeda-ccamp-inter-domain-reco very-analysis-01.txt =20 Please send yes or no for these IDs. =20 Reasons and opinions are also welcome. =20 Thanks, Deborah and Adrian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C714C5.BF1D2388 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
As = discussed in San=20 Diego, we need to poll for a couple of new WG = drafts:
 
1. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caviglia-ccamp-p= c-and-sc-reqs-04.txt
 
2. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumaki= -ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-02.txt
 
3. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ta= keda-ccamp-inter-domain-recovery-analysis-01.txt
 
Please = send yes or=20 no for these IDs.
 
Reasons and opinions=20 are also welcome.
 
Thanks,
Deborah and=20 Adrian
------_=_NextPart_001_01C714C5.BF1D2388-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:03:09 +0000 Message-ID: <319a01c71477$11ad6af0$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: LCAS/VCAT Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:56:30 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, In San Diego Richard presented the current status of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-01.txt and suggested that the work is nearing completion. A quick show of hands indicated that very few had read the draft. This may be because it is a very narrow niche that only a few are interested in (i.e., all of the key people have read it), or may be because more people need to have a look. If you are interested in this work, could you please find some time relatively soon to have a look at the draft and send your comments to the list. If you have or are planning an implementation could you drop me a private (confidential!) email. Thanks, Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:46:27 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rao Cherukuri Cc: CCAMP Mailing list , Ross Callon , Bill Fenner , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard , , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard , From: Matthew Bocci (IETF) Subject: New Liaison Statement, "IETF CCAMP Response to Liaison on MFA CNI" Reply-To: Adrian Farrel Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:43:23 -0500 Title: IETF CCAMP Response to Liaison on MFA CNI Submission Date: 2006-11-30 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=293 From: Matthew Bocci(IETF) To: MFA Forum(Rao Cherukuri ) Cc: CCAMP Mailing list Ross Callon Bill Fenner Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Reponse Contact: Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Technical Contact: Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Purpose: In response Body: Dear Rao, Thank you very much for giving the CCAMP working group the opportunity to comment on the MFA's MPLS CNI specification. At this stage we have the following high-level comments that we request the MFA to consider and answer. Some of these comments are for clarification as we try to ramp-up on the requirements you are addressing. Others concern technical issues that we feel you should address before advancing this work. Best regards, Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs === We note that you have opted to define a new RSVP object to support a multi-class LSP following the rules for vendor private assignment as described in section 2.2 of RFC3936. We believe that you may have misinterpreted the purpose of vendor private extensions since such extensions are specifically not intended to interoperate, but you are attempting to define a specification directly for the purpose of interworking devices from different vendors. In your case it would seem to make more sense to define a standardized extension to the protocol. Should you decide that a standardized extension is better able to deliver the functionality that you require, we should like to draw your attention to draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-06.txt that defines how other SDOs may influence the development of MPLS and GMPLS protocols within the IETF, and which is currently in IETF last call. The (G)MPLS suites of protocols have become popular among multiple SDOs resulting in a need for IETF to clarify it's role as the responsible SDO for (G)MPLS protocol extensions so as to prevent unnecessary replication of functionality and the resulting interoperability problems. 1. The document is marked as Straw Ballot Text. Can you tell us what that means the status of the work is? 2. We think that your use of terminology may be a little loose. In many cases, where you say "MPLS" you are probably referring to the data plane, and specifically a packet-switching data plane with an MPLS encapsulation. But in other cases, "MPLS" and "MPLS-TE" are synonymous and refer to a signaling/routing control plane using the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP and to the two IGPs OSPF and IS-IS. In many cases you say "GMPLS-TE" which is not something we specifically recognise although we can assume that you mean simply "GMPLS". Sometimes, where you are trying to distinguish a TE LSP established using MPLS-TE from one set up using GMPLS you may intend to say "GMPLS TE-LSP" rather than "GMPLS-TE LSP". We feel that close attention to the terminology may help clarify the document. 3. Section 1.1 states: The purpose of this specification is to define an MPLS-based Client to Network Interconnect (CNI) for establishing GMPLS Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). Can we assume that this means that the client-to-client LSPs are established using GMPLS protocols, but that the signaling within the core network is out of scope? Especially since section 1.2 states: At the CNI, it is not desirable to have the client equipment participate in the internal control protocols of the MPLS network. 4. Can you clarify why you have selected GMPLS protocols and not MPLS-TE protocols on which to build your CNI. We are not opposed to this, but are seeking to understand the choice. Perhaps the main reason is the requirement for bidirectional LSPs. 5. Can you clarify whether the core network is assumed to be PSC only? That is, for example, if the CNI encoding is POS, would it be acceptable for the PE and the rest of the core network to switch the LSP as TDM until the remote PE or even CE, or do you require that the PE must perform packet switching? If the PE must perform packet switching, is it still acceptable for the core LSP (PE-PE) to be switched at some other technology? 6. Section 1.3 states: Where the network uses MPLS-TE signaling, the PE routers are expected to perform the translation. It is our opinion that this translation is non-trivial and may be impossible for some of the GMPLS services that are available at the CNI. For example, supporting a bidirectional service over an MPLS-TE signaling network requires additional coordination between the end-points that is currently not available in the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP-TE. From the following text in section 7.1, we assume that the PE may refuse a CNI request if it is unable to provide the required level of function. The transport network in the provider network is a GMPLS or MPLS-TE based packet switched network that must support request for uni-directional LSPs and may support requests for bi-directional LSPs 7. Section 2.1 The correct expansion of "GMPLS" is "Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching". In view of you chosen expansion of "MPLS", you may prefer to show this as "Generalized Multi Protocol Label Switching". The correct expansion of "FEC" is "Forwarding Equivalence Class". 8. Section 7.2 states: The CE and PE nodes are inter-connected by point-to-point interfaces. The signaling channel is "in-band", i.e., the labeled packets share the same access connection as the RSVP-TE signaling. This is an acceptable, but not required, method of deploying GMPLS-based signaling. It is our suspicion reading this very short section that it is your intention to forbid the use of the IF_ID RSVP_HOP Object at the CNI. Can you confirm or deny this? 9. Section 7.3 states: A client need only know its own address, a reachable address of the adjacent PE-node, and know the address of any other client to which it wishes to connect. The addresses listed above must be configured on each client. A PE need only know (and track) the addresses on interfaces attached to clients, as well as the Node IDs of these attached clients. In addition, the IP/MPLS network needs to know reachability to the interface addresses and Node IDs of other PEs to which an attached client is permitted to connect. This appears to miss the fact that the client will address a CNI connection request to a remote client address. The local PE must, therefore, know how to route to these client addresses that are outside the core routing domain. Perhaps the final sentence should say CE not PE? But in 9.1.2 you have: When a PE receives a Path message from a client that contains no ERO indicating transit network selection, then the PE is responsible for progressing the Path message toward the destination. The progression of the Path message is beyond the scope of this specification. While the details are clearly out of scope, it *is* relevant to the definition of the CNI how the core acquires and distributes the client-side addressing information that is necessary for routing across the core. You will observe that the problem you are solving (including the fact that the client addresses may come from an address space that overlaps with the core address space) is similar to the L3VPN problem. 10. What is the expected behavior from the core network when an E-LSP is requested at the CNI? Can we assume that the expectation is that an appropriate E-LSP will also be established across the core so that Diffserv behavior will be performed along the whole length of the client-client connection, or is this not a requirement? If core Diffserv behavior is required, how will the core handle the presence of multiple classes? 11. You are correct to observe that the ERO is optional in GMPLS implementations (sections 9.1.1 and 9.1.2), however, since you are specifying a profile for use at the CNI, and since both the CE and the PE must be CNI-aware (i.e., you cannot simply use legacy implementations) you may find it convenient to mandate support of the ERO at the CNI. We believe that in practice all implementations support ERO. 12. In section 9.1.1 you have: The client populates the ERO object with only one sub-object containing an Autonomous System Number (ASN) representing a transit network beyond the originating service provider. The client equipment must set the ASN sub-object 'L' bit to 1, indicating a loose route. It is not completely clear what is meant by 'the originating service provider', but we assume that this refers to the network that the ingress PE belongs to. In this case, this ERO is malformed and will be rejected. The first sub-object of a received ERO must always define an abstract node that the receiver is a member of. See RFC 3209, section 4.3.4.1, point 1). 13. In section 9.4: PE next to a client receives a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network, it may in turn generate either a ResvTear or PathTear, whichever is applicable, to be sent to the client. There are no circumstances in which a PE receiving a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network would send PathTear to the client. It is unclear to us why you would specify that the CNI built on GMPLS might not use this standard GMPLS procedure. 14. In section 9.5.3: The Extended Classtype object is signaled in the Path message, and saved in the Path State Block (PSB) at every hop. We recommend that you simply state that the state is stored as every hop. The existence of a PSB is implementation- specific. Can you please clarify "at every hop". Are you expecting nodes in the core network to store this information. If so, you should note that the core nodes will not recognize the object class and will reject any messages carrying it. We also suggest that before progressing your own extensions for multi-class DSTE LSPs you should look at the existing work within the IETF: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-minei-diffserv-te-multi-class-02.txt. If this work is not adequate for your requirements, we would encourage you to work with its authors to produce a single standardized solution within the IETF. 15. In 9.5.4: An LSR that recognizes the Extended Classtype object and that receives a Path message which contains the Extended Classtype object but which does not contain a Label Request object or which does not have a session type of LSP_Tunnel_IPv4, must send a PathErr message towards the sender with the error code 'extended-classtype Error' and an error value of 'Unexpected Extended Classtype object'. These are defined below: Why do you define new parsing behavior for the absence of a Label Request object (by the way, you should say Generalized Label Request object, since this is GMPLS)? The absence of mandatory objects is already covered in RFC2205. 16. The error code defined in 9.5.4 is conformant with RFC 3936. You may wish to look at draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec in case this gives you the ability to handle more detailed private error codes. Finally, we would like to refer you to draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-01.txt and draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt for the latest state of discussions in CCAMP with respect to interworking MPLS and GMPLS networks. Attachment(s): No document has been attached Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:21:31 +0000 Message-ID: <30a501c713da$697bd570$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: , Subject: Fw: I-D ACTION:draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:16:21 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, FYI, this I-D has been updated after IETF last call and GenArt review as follows... Adrian === General s/rewg/REWG/ s/pswg/PSWG/ Typos === Section 1, para 2 OLD They should not be extended or varied without IETF review, and that should preferably only be extended within the IETF process. NEW These protocols should not be extended or varied without IETF review, and they should only be extended within the IETF process. === Section 1, para 3 ADD The IETF's formal standards process is defined in [RFC2026] and [RFC2418], and is not changed by this document. === Section 2.2 OLD Other working groups, e.g., the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) working group, also use the (G)MPLS protocols and mechanisms. When any of these working groups needs to extend or change the (G)MPLS protocols the procedures specified in this document are applicable. NEW Other working groups, e.g., the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) working group, also use the (G)MPLS protocols and mechanisms. When any of these working groups needs to extend or change the (G)MPLS protocols the procedures specified in this document are applicable. Some of those working groups (again, for example, the BFD working group) are already chartered for requirements evaluation and protocol specification, and can fit into the procedures in those roles. === Section 2.3 s/formal or less formal/formal or informal/ === Section 2.3, para 2 OLD If any organization outside the IETF has a requirement, or believes it may have a requirement, for extensions or modifications to the (G)MPLS protocols then the procedures in this document apply. NEW If any organization outside the IETF has a requirement for extensions or modifications to the (G)MPLS protocols then the procedures in this document apply. === Section 2.4, bullet 1 OLD For the purpose of extending and changing any protocols specified in Experimental, Informational, or BCP RFCs developed by the (G)MPLS working groups, those protocols are considered to be part of the (G)MPLS protocols. NEW For the purpose of extending and changing any protocols specified in any specification developed by the (G)MPLS working groups, those protocols are considered to be part of the (G)MPLS protocols. === Section 3, para 3 OLD Whenever any extension or change to the (G)MPLS protocols is desired, a requirements statement must be produced and must be submitted to IETF as an Internet-Draft. As described in [RFC4052], when the requirements come from an external organization informal communications such as e-mail to working group mailing lists often facilitates cooperative work. However, if desired, the Internet-Draft containing the requirement may be submitted to the working group using a liaison statement. That way, the IETF's response to the request will be given as the reply to the liaison, with no risk of confusing an individual participant's opinion for that of the group as can happen on mailing lists. NEW Whenever any extension or change to the (G)MPLS protocols is desired, a problem statement and/or requirements statement must be produced and must be submitted to IETF as an Internet-Draft. As described in [RFC4052], when the requirements come from an external organization informal communications such as e-mail to working group mailing lists often facilitates cooperative work. However, if desired, the Internet-Draft containing the requirement may be submitted to the working group using a liaison statement. That way, the IETF's response to the request will be given as the reply to the liaison, with no risk of confusing an individual participant's opinion for that of the group as can happen on mailing lists. === Section 3, para 4, convert to bullets === Section 4.1, figure 1 s/ACK/YES/ s/NAK/NO/ === Section 4.2.2, para 4 OLD If the requirements statement I-D is brought to the IETF through a formal liaison, the IETF MUST respond using one of the following answers in a formal liaison reply: NEW If the requirements statement I-D is brought to the IETF through a formal liaison, the working group chairs, ADs or their delegates MUST respond using one of the following answers in a formal liaison reply. If a formal liaison was not used the response SHOULD be delivered using one of the following answers in an email copied to the appropriate mailing lists. === Section 4.2.3, title s/4.2.3 Chartering the Rewg/4.2.3 Chartering or Rechartering the REWG/ === Section 4.2.3 OLD If a new charter item is required, the Routing Area Directors with assistance from working group chairs MUST apply to the IESG and IAB for a modification of an existing working group's charter or for the creation of a new working group. If the IESG approves the charter, the requirements statement I-D is passed to the rewg for evaluation. If the charter change is not approved, the IESG MUST respond to the requirements statement I-D and, if the requirements were introduced through a formal liaison from another SDO, the IESG MUST send a liaison response using the options described in Section 5, although the IESG MAY delegate such responses. NEW If a new charter item is required for an existing working group, the Routing Area Directors with assistance from working group chairs MUST apply to the IESG and IAB for a modification of an existing working group's charter or for the creation of a new working group. If the IESG approves the charter, the requirements statement I-D is passed to the REWG for evaluation. If the charter change is not approved, the IESG MUST respond to the requirements statement I-D and, if the requirements were introduced through a formal liaison from another SDO, the IESG MUST send a liaison response using the options described in Section 5, although the IESG MAY delegate such responses. Under unusual circumstances the Routing Area Directors MAY decide to charter a new working group to act as the REWG. In this case, the ADs are responsible for drafting the charter of the new working group and MUST follow the procedures set out in the previous paragraph. === Section 4.7, para 2 OLD but the pswg MUST consider such an I-D as a possible solution I-D. NEW but the PSWG MUST consider such an I-D for review and revision as a possible solution I-D. === Section 5.1, bullet 1 OLD - Requirements not understood. At the early stage of evaluation of the requirements statement I-D before the rewg has been tasked with performing a full evaluation and completing the requirements statement I-D or during the optional preliminary investigation it is not clear what the requirements are for or what the problem being addressed is. NEW - Requirements not understood. Either during preliminary investigation or during evaluation of the requirements statement I-D, it wasn't clear what the requirements are, or what the problem being addressed is. === Section 5.1, bullet 3 s/IETF/REWG/ === Section 5.1, bullet 4 OLD In this case, the IETF MUST grant the authors of the requirements statement I-D permission to work on a solution. The solution SHALL be presented to the IETF for review and possible publication as an Informational or Experimental RFC, and the IETF SHALL NOT block applications to IANA for codepoints NEW In this case, the IETF MUST NOT restrict the authors of the requirements statement I-D from working on a solution. The solution SHALL be presented to the IETF for review and possible publication as an Informational or Experimental RFC, and the IETF SHALL NOT block applications to IANA for codepoints. === Section 5.1, bullet 5 s/Insufficient support for the work./Insufficient support for the work from the original requesters./ === Section 5.2, title s/5.2 Actions Upon Rejection/5.2 Actions Required When Rejecting Requirements Statement I-Ds/ === Section 5.2, para 1 s/SHOULD/MUST/ === Section 5.2, bullet 1 OLD - If the requirements are brought to the IETF as a preliminary investigation (see Section 4.2.1) through an email exchange then the response SHOULD be made as an email response and SHOULD be archived through an IETF email archive. NEW - If the requirements are brought to the IETF as a preliminary investigation (see Section 4.2.1) through an email exchange then the response MUST be made as an email response copied to an IETF mailing list so that it is automatically archived. === Section 5.2, bullet 3 s/SHOULD/MUST/ === New section 5.3 to point to the appeals process === Section 6, para 2 s/stopped/abandoned/ === New section 6.1 to point to the appeals process === Section 7, para 1 s/SHOULD NOT/MUST NOT/ === Section 9 Additional thankees === Section 11. Group all references into one section with two sub-sections === Section 11.1 Add RFC2026 and RFC2418 === Split Editors' Addresses out of Authors' Addresses === Change boilerplate to IETF Trust ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Change Process for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and > Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Protocols and Procedures > Author(s) : L. Andersson, A. Farrel > Filename : draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2006-11-29 > > The issues surrounding the extensibility of IETF protocols have been > widely debated. These issues include when it is reasonable to > extend IETF protocols with little or no review, and when extensions > or variations need to be reviewed by the larger IETF community. > Experience with IETF protocols has shown that extensibility of > protocols without early IETF review can cause problems. > > The Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) > suites of protocols have become popular for a number of applications > and deployment scenarios. One result of this popularity is a large > number of suggestions for modifications and extensions. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:09:36 +0000 Message-ID: <301d01c713a6$7e9dd400$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: , "Ross Callon" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" , Subject: CCAMP Last call on draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:06:50 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, This draft has been developed independently and has recently been brought to the IESG for advancement as an individual submission to become an Informational RFC. I have done a first-level review and this latest revision includes updates to reflect my comments. Since the material here concerns preemption and the suggested ways to operate an MPLS-TE or GMPLS network, we are running a quick last call on the CCAMP mailing list to ensure that no-one has any objections. Please send your comments to the CCAMP list no later than noon GMT on 13th December 2006. Thanks, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : LSP Preemption Policies for MPLS Traffic Engineering > Author(s) : J. de Oliveira, et al. > Filename : draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt > Pages : 19 > Date : 2006-11-28 > > When the establishment of a higher priority (Traffic Engineering > Label Switched Path) TE LSP requires the preemption of a set of lower > priority TE LSPs, a node has to make a local decision to select which > > TE LSPs will be preempted. The preempted LSPs are then rerouted by > their respective Head-end Label Switch Router (LSR). This document > presents a flexible policy that can be used to achieve different > objectives: preempt the lowest priority LSPs; preempt the minimum > number of LSPs; preempt the set of TE LSPs that provide the closest > amount of bandwidth to the required bandwidth for the preempting TE > LSPs (to minimize bandwidth wastage); preempt the LSPs that will have > the maximum chance to get rerouted. Simulation results are given and > a comparison among several different policies, with respect to > preemption cascading, number of preempted LSPs, priority, wasted > bandwidth and blocking probability is also included. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:00:40 +0000 Message-ID: <03fd01c70f07$5b826b50$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Re: Liaison to CCAMP from IEEE 802.1 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:56:39 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, IEEE 802.1 have sent us a reply regarding the use of VLAN tag translation. See this at the link below or on the CCAMP liaison page - see http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm Discussions on the GELS list, please. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Jeffree" To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: ; "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" ; "Bernard Aboba" ; "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" ; "Ross Callon" ; "Bill Fenner" ; "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" ; ; Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Liaison to IEEE 802.1 from IETF CCAMP > At 17:47 10/11/2006, Adrian Farrel wrote: >>To: IEEE 802.1 >>From: IETF CCAMP Working Group >>Cc: Dan Romascanu, Bernard Aboba, Bert Wijnen >> Ross Callon, Bill Fenner, Deborah Brungard >>Subject: Control plane operation of Ethernet Bridging >>Status: For Information >> >>Dear Tony and Mick, >> >>We would like to clarify the previous Liaison from CCAMP with respect to >>Ethernet bridging behavior. >> >>We have received requests to evaluate the use of GMPLS protocols for the >>control of bridging in Ethernet networks. At this time we have not >>initiated any work. >> >>We recognise IEEE's authority to define and maintain the Ethernet data >>plane, and fully understand IEEE's concern for other SDOs to adhere to the >>IEEE's specifications. We would like to assure you that within the IETF's >>CCAMP working group we have the understanding that any Ethernet work >>shall only be based on IEEE specified data planes. >> >>For your information, we have defined the following rules and process for >>advancing this work within CCAMP: >> >>Rules: >> >>A. Data plane (i.e. the data forwarding of established flows) >>specification is out of scope and must not be discussed within CCAMP. >> >>B. CCAMP will not work on the specification of GMPLS except for data >>planes that are already approved by an SDO with responsibility for the >>Ethernet data plane. It is expected that the primary SDO in this case is >>the IEEE. >> >>Process steps: >> >>1. Decide upon the data plane behavior to be controlled using GMPLS. >> >>2. Ensure that the data plane to be controlled is approved and documented >>by an SDO with responsibility for Ethernet (i.e., the IEEE). >>This may be a null op in the case of existing standards, but might require >>work in the other SDO for new standards or for profiles of existing >>standards. >> >>3. Start protocol work in CCAMP with an explicit pointer to the approved >>data plane. >> >>4. When it is clear that protocol work is progressing, CCAMP will liaise >>with the other SDO to get their blessing for using a control plane for the >>nominated data plane and to confirm that that data plane is really >>approved. >> >>In addition, we expect to liaise our status during the development of any >>control plane extensions. >> >>Best regards, >>Deborah Brungard and Adrian Farrel >>IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs >> >> > > Colleagues - > > Please find our response here: > > http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2006/liaison-ieee-802-1-ietf-ccamp-1106.txt > > > Tony Jeffree > Chair, IEEE 802.1 Working Group > > IEEE 802.1 website: http://www.ieee802.org/1/ > > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 02:48:42 +0000 To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: 'Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) RSVP-TE Signaling Extensions in support of Calls' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call) Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org Cc: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:46:01 -0500 The IESG has received a request from the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG to consider the following document: - 'Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) RSVP-TE Signaling Extensions in support of Calls ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2006-12-06. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-01.txt Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:53:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:51:02 -0800 Message-Id: <200611221651.kAMGp2Ft019211@nit.isi.edu> To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 4726 on A Framework for Inter-Domain Multiprotocol Label Switching Traffic Engineering From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ccamp@ops.ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4726 Title: A Framework for Inter-Domain Multiprotocol Label Switching Traffic Engineering Author: A. Farrel, J.-P. Vasseur, A. Ayyangar Status: Informational Date: November 2006 Mailbox: adrian@olddog.co.uk, jpv@cisco.com, arthi@nuovasystems.com Pages: 22 Characters: 53076 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-framework-06.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4726.txt This document provides a framework for establishing and controlling Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) in multi-domain networks. For the purposes of this document, a domain is considered to be any collection of network elements within a common sphere of address management or path computational responsibility. Examples of such domains include Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) areas and Autonomous Systems (ASes). This memo provides information for the Internet community. This document is a product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. 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Submissions for Requests for Comments should be sent to RFC-EDITOR@RFC-EDITOR.ORG. Please consult RFC 2223, Instructions to RFC Authors, for further information. Joyce K. Reynolds and Sandy Ginoza USC/Information Sciences Institute ... Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:28:17 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:25:27 +0100 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt Thread-Index: AccNrxwsPR4Le0NXTCevXXvOwrBwWwAV+JBA From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: Hi all, This new version accounts for comments received during the CCAMP ISIS = and OSPF WG last call. Here are the main changes: -The data plane and control plane cap sub-TLVs have been removed. The = capabilities are now carried directly with the TE Node Capability = Descriptor TLV, and there is a single registry for both control and data = plane capabilities.=20 -In section 5:=20 "other occurences MUST be discarded" replaced by "other occurrences MUST = be ignored"=20 -In section 6: "a router not supporting the TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV MUST just = silently ignore the TLV" Replaced by: "a router not supporting the TE Node Capability Descriptor = TLV will just silently ignore the TLV" Regards, JL =20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] De la part de=20 > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Envoy=E9 : mardi 21 novembre 2006 21:50 > =C0 : i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org > Objet : I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and=20 > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : IGP Routing Protocol Extensions for=20 > Discovery of Traffic Engineering Node Capabilities > Author(s) : J. 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Different MIME-compliant=20 > mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. >=20 > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail=20 > reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII=20 > version of the Internet-Draft. >=20 Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:10:53 +0000 Message-ID: <4563950E.1020406@kddilabs.jp> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:08:46 +0900 From: Tomohiro Otani User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: "tom.petch" , ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom and Adrian, Thank you for your comments on our draft. We understand that we need a lot of work for the -01 draft and definitely reflect your comments. With best regards, Tomo Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Yes, the I-D is indeed at an early stage with a lot of work remaining to > be done. > > I'm sure that Tomo will be grateful for all of your pointers. > > Adrian > ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom.petch" > To: "Adrian Farrel" ; > Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB > > >> I had a look at this I-D (the word MIB caught my eye:-) and it would >> seem to >> have some way to go, at least from an editorial point of view. eg >> - the introduction isn't quite English as I know it to the point where >> I am >> unsure if I know what is being said about the role of this MIB module >> vis-a-vis >> others >> - no MIB boiler plate >> - IANA considerations do not mention being under the transmission >> branch (is >> that the right place for this?) >> - use of transmission 9988 as a placeholder >> - module name 'TED-DRAFT01-MIB '! >> - no normative references >> ........... >> >> all of which and more is covered in RFC4181. I would suggest a check >> by the >> authors against that RFC before taking this further. I also get some >> strange >> characters such as little black blobs at the turn of every page. >> >> I am also unclear where the I-D uses 'OSPF' whether it now means only >> OSPF or >> whether it means all such protocols and has not been updated to >> reflect the >> change of title ie I suggest looking carefully at all uses of 'OSPF' >> by itself >> and only using that when OSPF alone is meant. >> >> And when I understand the English better, I expect I will disagree on a >> technical basis as well - eg [OSPFMIB UPDATE] (a rather clumsy >> reference IMO) >> does not update [OSPFMIB], it supersedes it so I suspect that there >> should be a >> normative reference to the former and no mention of the latter; in >> which case >> the reference could be to RFCyyyy. >> >> Tom Petch >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Adrian Farrel" >> To: >> Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:31 PM >> Subject: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB >> >> >>> Tomo, >>> >>> As discussed in San Diego, could you please resubmit >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-01.txt as >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt >>> >>> This trivial piece of house keeping will keep us honest going forward. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Adrian >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:26:39 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Draft response to MFA Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:25:21 -0600 Message-ID: <9473683187ADC049A855ED2DA739ABCA0DDC7F9B@KCCLUST06EVS1.ugd.att.com> Thread-Topic: Draft response to MFA Thread-Index: AccNg7h7RkNBzJXHSOWcZxj7hMEcCAAPa/Cg From: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" To: "Adrian Farrel" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" , Cc: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" Adrian, Deborah, Very comprehensive response! Here are some additional suggested comments: 1. Regarding the proposed extensions for multi-class DSTE LSPs, rather than a proprietary extension perhaps the MFA can be encouraged to support IETF draft. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-minei-diffserv-te-multi-class- 02.txt. It seems best that standard protocol extensions be worked out in the IETF. 2. Appendix A RE available OAM mechanisms seems a bit superfluous and perhaps could be deleted. 3. FEC =3D forwarding equivalence class Thanks, Jerry -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:55 AM To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Draft response to MFA Thanks to those of you who have sent comments on and off the list. Deborah and I have put together this draft response to the MFA. You can see=20 the original liaison at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp. Please send you thoughts on this by 28th November so that we can send the=20 response. Thanks, Adrian --------- Dear Rao, Thank you very much for giving the CCAMP working group the opportunity to=20 comment on the MFA's MPLS CNI specification. At this stage we have the following high-level comments that we request the=20 MFA to consider and answer. Some of these comments are for clarification as=20 we try to ramp-up on the requirements you are addressing. Others concern technical issues that we feel you should address before advancing this work. Best regards, Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs =3D=3D=3D We note that you have opted to define a new RSVP object to support a=20 multi-class LSP following the rules for vendor private assignment as=20 described in section 2.2 of RFC3936. We believe that you may have=20 misinterpreted the purpose of vendor private extensions since such=20 extensions are specifically not intended to interoperate, but you are=20 attempting to define a specification directly for the purpose of=20 interworking devices from different vendors. In your case it would seem to=20 make more sense to define a standardized extension to the protocol. Should you decide that a standardized extension is better able to deliver=20 the functionality that you require, we should like to draw your attention to=20 draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-06.txt that defines how other SDOs may=20 influence the development of MPLS and GMPLS protocols within the IETF, and=20 which is currently in IETF last call. The (G)MPLS suites of protocols have=20 become popular among multiple SDOs resulting in a need for IETF to clarify=20 it's role as the responsible SDO for (G)MPLS protocol extensions so as to=20 prevent unnecessary replication of functionality and the resulting=20 interoperability problems. 1. The document is marked as Straw Ballot Text. Can you tell us what that means the status of the work is? 2. We think that your use of terminology may be a little loose. In many cases, where you say "MPLS" you are probably referring to the data plane, and specifically a packet-switching data plane with an MPLS encapsulation. But in other cases, "MPLS" and "MPLS-TE" are synonymous and refer to a signaling/routing control plane using the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP and to the two IGPs OSPF and IS-IS. In many cases you say "GMPLS-TE" which is not something we specifically recognise although we can assume that you mean simply "GMPLS". Sometimes, where you are trying to distinguish a TE LSP established using MPLS-TE from one set up using GMPLS you may intend to say "GMPLS TE-LSP" rather than "GMPLS-TE LSP". We feel that close attention to the terminology may help clarify the document. 3. Section 1.1 states: The purpose of this specification is to define an MPLS-based Client to Network Interconnect (CNI) for establishing GMPLS Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). Can we assume that this means that the client-to-client LSPs are established using GMPLS protocols, but that the signaling within the core network is out of scope? Especially since section 1.2 states: At the CNI, it is not desirable to have the client equipment participate in the internal control protocols of the MPLS network. 4. Can you clarify why you have selected GMPLS protocols and not MPLS-TE protocols on which to build your CNI. We are not opposed to this, but are seeking to understand the choice. Perhaps the main reason is the requirement for bidirectional LSPs. 5. Can you clarify whether the core network is assumed to be PSC only? That is, for example, if the CNI encoding is POS, would it be acceptable for the PE and the rest of the core network to switch the LSP as TDM until the remote PE or even CE, or do you require that the PE must perform packet switching? If the PE must perform packet switching, is it still acceptable for the core LSP (PE-PE) to be switched at some other technology? 6. Section 1.3 states: Where the network uses MPLS-TE signaling, the PE routers are expected to perform the translation. It is our opinion that this translation is non-trivial and may be impossible for some of the GMPLS services that are available at the CNI. For example, supporting a bidirectional service over an MPLS-TE signaling network requires additional coordination between the end-points that is currently not available in the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP-TE. From the following text in section 7.1, we assume that the PE may refuse a CNI request if it is unable to provide the required level of function. The transport network in the provider network is a GMPLS or MPLS-TE based packet switched network that must support request for uni-directional LSPs and may support requests for bi-directional LSPs 7. Section 2.1 The correct expansion of "GMPLS" is "Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching". In view of you chosen expansion of "MPLS", you may prefer to show this as "Generalize Multi Protocol Label Switching". 8. Section 7.2 states: The CE and PE nodes are inter-connected by point-to-point interfaces. The signaling channel is "in-band", i.e., the labeled packets share the same access connection as the RSVP-TE signaling. This is an acceptable, but not required, method of deploying GMPLS-based signaling. It is our suspicion reading this very short section that it is your intention to forbid the use of the IF_ID RSVP_HOP Object at the CNI. Can you confirm or deny this? 9. Section 7.3 states: A client need only know its own address, a reachable address of the adjacent PE-node, and know the address of any other client to which it wishes to connect. The addresses listed above must be configured on each client. A PE need only know (and track) the addresses on interfaces attached to clients, as well as the Node IDs of these attached clients. In addition, the IP/MPLS network needs to know reachability to the interface addresses and Node IDs of other PEs to which an attached client is permitted to connect. This appears to miss the fact that the client will address a CNI connection request to a remote client address. The local PE must, therefore, know how to route to these client addresses that are outside the core routing domain. Perhaps the final sentence should say CE not PE? But in 9.1.2 you have: When a PE receives a Path message from a client that contains no ERO indicating transit network selection, then the PE is responsible for progressing the Path message toward the destination. The progression of the Path message is beyond the scope of this specification. While the details are clearly out of scope, it *is* relevant to the definition of the CNI how the core acquires and distributes the client-side addressing information that is necessary for routing across the core. You will observe that the problem you are solving (including the fact that the client addresses may come from an address space that overlaps with the core address space) is similar to the L3VPN problem. 10. What is the expected behavior from the core network when an E-LSP is requested at the CNI? Can we assume that the expectation is that an appropriate E-LSP will also be established across the core so that Diffserv behavior will be performed along the whole length of the client-client connection, or is this not a requirement? If core Diffserv behavior is required, how will the core handle the presence of multiple classes? 11. You are correct to observe that the ERO is optional in GMPLS implementations (sections 9.1.1 and 9.1.2), however, since you are specifying a profile for use at the CNI, and since both the CE and the PE must be CNI-aware (i.e., you cannot simply use legacy implementations) you may find it convenient to mandate support of the ERO at the CNI. We believe that in practice all implementations support ERO. 12. In section 9.1.1 you have: The client populates the ERO object with only one sub-object containing an Autonomous System Number (ASN) representing a transit network beyond the originating service provider. The client equipment must set the ASN sub-object 'L' bit to 1, indicating a loose route. It is not completely clear what is meant by 'the originating service provider', but we assume that this refers to the network that the ingress PE belongs to. In this case, this ERO is malformed and will be rejected. The first sub-object of a received ERO must always define an abstract node that the receiver is a member of. See RFC 3209, section 4.3.4.1, point 1). 13. In section 9.4: PE next to a client receives a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network, it may in turn generate either a ResvTear or PathTear, whichever is applicable, to be sent to the client. There are no circumstances in which a PE receiving a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network would send PathTear to the client. It is unclear to us why you would specify that the CNI built on GMPLS might not use this standard GMPLS procedure. 14. In section 9.5.3: The Extended Classtype object is signaled in the Path message, and saved in the Path State Block (PSB) at every hop. We recommend that you simply state that the state is stored as every hop. The existence of a PSB is implementation- specific. Can you please clarify "at every hop". Are you expecting nodes in the core network to store this information. If so, you should note that the core nodes will not recognize the object class and will reject any messages carrying it. 15. In 9.5.4: An LSR that recognizes the Extended Classtype object and that receives a Path message which contains the Extended Classtype object but which does not contain a Label Request object or which does not have a session type of LSP_Tunnel_IPv4, must send a PathErr message towards the sender with the error code 'extended-classtype Error' and an error value of 'Unexpected Extended Classtype object'. These are defined below: Why do you define new parsing behavior for the absence of a Label Request object (by the way, you should say Generalized Label Request object, since this is GMPLS)? The absence of mandatory objects is already covered in RFC2205. 16. The error code defined in 9.5.4 is conformant with RFC 3936. You may wish to look at draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec in case this gives you the ability to handle more detailed private error codes. Finally, we would like to refer you to=20 draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-01.txt and=20 draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt for the latest state of=20 discussions in CCAMP with respect to interworking MPLS and GMPLS networks. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:49:26 +0000 Message-ID: <025d01c70dbf$0a96fb50$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Re: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on T-MPLS Labels Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:44:45 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Major oops. For "not" read "now" Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on T-MPLS Labels > Hi, > > We have been copied on a liaison clarifying the intended label usage in > T-MPLS as documented in Recommendation G.8112 Table 6-1. > > You may be relieved to know that the proposed label usage is not > conformant with MPLS and with IANA allocation rules. > > You can find links to this and all other liaisons at > http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm > > No action is required from CCAMP. > > Adrian > > > > > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:50:52 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:50:01 -0500 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : IGP Routing Protocol Extensions for Discovery of Traffic Engineering Node Capabilities Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2006-11-21 It is highly desired in several cases, to take into account Traffic Engineering (TE) node capabilities during Multi Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineered Label Switched Path (TE-LSP) selection, such as for instance the capability to act as a branch Label Switching Router (LSR) of a Point-To-MultiPoint (P2MP) LSP. This requires advertising these capabilities within the Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP). For that purpose, this document specifies Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) and Intermediate System-Intermediate System (IS-IS) traffic engineering extensions for the advertisement of control plane and data plane traffic engineering node capabilities. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-11-21100925.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-11-21100925.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:05:53 +0000 To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Cc: swallow@cisco.com Subject: Re: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on T-MPLS Labels From: George Swallow Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:04:00 -0500 Message-Id: <20061121200400.656D9347BDB@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=517; t=1164139451; x=1165003451; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=swallow@cisco.com; z=From:=20George=20Swallow=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Liaison=20from=20ITU-T=20SG15=20on=20T-MPLS=20Labels= 20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Adrian=20Farrel=22=20; bh=ah6B/AA50fP0KM5bS8TA3NJele+p1/s5nmn+iltg4YE=; b=UiEWBYPO4dUnv29/WWUuORIek7O+yg7UDo4Q3pFWr96kihQ7HWLpsriQd7P6VsxWiXGC9BS5 yCWUBPcdHMvZeZxSpEx4X4C13RRyER0a0VCeqzF92ahCIyXQpyfzsQU7; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=swallow@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Adrian - I believe you meant... > You may be relieved to know that the proposed label usage is not is *now* conformant > conformant with MPLS and with IANA allocation rules. ...George ======================================================================== George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) 936-1398 1414 Massachusetts Avenue Boxborough, MA 01719 Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:51:21 +0000 To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org, owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Response liaison from ITU-T SG15 on CCAMP ASON work MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:50:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" adrian - sure an answer will be provided - -d. "Adrian Farrel" Sent by: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org 21/11/2006 11:56 Please respond to "Adrian Farrel" To: cc: Subject: Response liaison from ITU-T SG15 on CCAMP ASON work Hi, We have received a detailed response to our liaison on current ASON-related work within CCAMP. The full liaison can be seen at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm The bulk of the liaison is comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-ospf-02.txt and a discussion on the use of Calls and Connections in G.8080. We are called on to respond by 12th February 2007. Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:00:12 +0000 Message-ID: <020701c70d8e$62f810d0$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:59:11 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, FYI this revision is an update after GenArt review and some comments from the AD. The changes are as follows: Adrian === Section 1. ADD For example, route exclusion could be used in the case where two non-overlapping Label Switched Paths (LSPs) are required. In this case, one option might be to set up one path and collect its route using route recording, and then to exclude the routers on that first path from the setup for the second path. Another option might be to set up two parallel backbones, dual home the provider edge (PE) routers to both backbones, and then exclude the local router on backbone A the first time that you set up an LSP (to a particular distant PE), and exclude the local router on backbone B the second time that you set up an LSP. NOTE Idea for text from Ross answering Eric's questions about usage. === Section 1.1 OLD This document does not preclude a route exclusion from listing arbitrary nodes or network elements to avoid. The intent is, however, to indicate only the minimal number of subobjects to be avoided. For instance it may be necessary to signal only the SRLGs (or Shared Risk Groups) to avoid. NEW This document does not preclude a route exclusion from listing arbitrary nodes or network elements to avoid. The intent is, however, to indicate only the minimal number of subobjects to be explicitly avoided. For instance it may be necessary to signal only the SRLGs (or Shared Risk Groups) to avoid. That is, the route exclusion is not intended to define the actual route by listing all of the choices to exclude at each hop, but rather to constrain the normal route selection process where loose hops or abstract nodes are to be expanded by listing certain elements to be avoided. NOTE This additional text to answer Eric's questions about usage. === Section 1 OLD This document introduces an ERO subobject to indicate an SRLG to be signaled in either of the two exclusion methods described above and this document does not assume or preclude any other usage for this subobject. This subobject might also be appropriate for use within Explicit Routes or Record Routes, but this is outside the scope of this document. NEW This document introduces a subobject to indicate an SRLG to be signaled in either of the two exclusion methods described above. This document does not assume or preclude any other usage for this subobject. This subobject might also be appropriate for use within an Explicit Route object (ERO) or Record Route object (RRO), but this is outside the scope of this document. NOTE The issue raised was that the subobject could not both be an ERO subobject and not be defined for use in an ERO. === Section 2 OLD The identifier of a SRLG is defined as a 32 bit quantity in [RFC4202]. An SRLG ERO subobject is introduced such that it can be used in the exclusion methods as described in the following sections. This document does not assume or preclude any other usage for this subobject. This subobject might also be appropriate for use within Explicit Routes or Record Routes, but this is outside the scope of this document. NEW The identifier of a SRLG is defined as a 32 bit quantity in [RFC4202]. An SRLG subobject is introduced such that it can be used in the exclusion methods as described in the following sections. This document does not assume or preclude any other usage for this subobject. This subobject might also be appropriate for use within Explicit Route object (ERO) or Record Route object (RRO), but this is outside the scope of this document. NOTE As before. === Section 2.1 OLD 2.1 SRLG ERO Subobject The format of the ERO and its subobjects are defined in [RFC3209]. The new SRLG ERO subobject is defined by this document as follows. NEW 2.1 SRLG Subobject The new SRLG subobject is defined by this document as follows. Its format is modeled on the ERO subobjects defined in [RFC3209]. NOTE As before. === Section 3.1 OLD The contents of an EXCLUDE_ROUTE object are a series of variable- length data items called subobjects. This specification adapts ERO subojbects as defined in [RFC3209], [RFC3473], and [RFC3477] for use in route exclusions. The SRLG ERO subobject as defined in Section 2 of this document and its processing within ERO have not been defined before. The SRLG ERO subobject is defined here for use with route exclusions. NEW The contents of an EXCLUDE_ROUTE object are a series of variable- length data items called subobjects. This specification adapts ERO subojbects as defined in [RFC3209], [RFC3473], and [RFC3477] for use in route exclusions. The SRLG subobject as defined in Section 2 of this document has not been defined before. The SRLG subobject is defined here for use with route exclusions. NOTE As before. === Section 3.1.5 OLD The Attribute octet is not present. The rest of the fields are as defined in the "SRLG ERO Subobject" section of this document. NEW The Attribute octet is not present. The rest of the fields are as defined in the "SRLG Subobject" section of this document. NOTE As before. === Section 8 Major rewrite of the IANA section since it had been misunderstood === Section 3.2 ADD A node receiving a Path message carrying an XRO MAY reject the message if the XRO is too large or complicated for the local implementation or as governed by local policy. In this case, the node MUST send a PathErr message with the error code "Routing Error" and error value "XRO Too Complex". An ingress LSR receiving this error code/value combination MAY reduce the complexity of the XRO or route around the node that rejected the XRO. NOTE This addresses Eric's request to be able to "opt out". === Section 4.2 ADD A node MAY reject a Path message if the EXRS is too large or complicated for the local implementation or as governed by local policy. In this case, the node MUST send a PathErr message with the error code "Routing Error" and error value "EXRS Too Complex". An ingress LSR receiving this error code/value combination MAY reduce the complexity of the EXRS or route around the node that rejected the EXRS. NOTE This addresses Eric's request to be able to "opt out". === Section 3.2 OLD 3. The subobjects in the ERO and XRO MUST NOT contradict each other. If a Path message is received that contains contradicting ERO and XRO subobjects, then: NEW 3. The subobjects in the ERO and XRO SHOULD NOT contradict each other. If a Path message is received that contains contradicting ERO and XRO subobjects, then: === Section 3.1 OLD The concept of loose or strict hops has no meaning in route exclusion. The L bit, defined for ERO subobjects in [RFC3209], is reused here to indicate that an abstract node MUST be avoided (value 0) or SHOULD be avoided (value 1). NEW The concept of loose or strict hops has no meaning in route exclusion. The L bit, defined for ERO subobjects in [RFC3209], is reused here to indicate that an abstract node MUST be excluded (value 0) or SHOULD be avoided (value 1). The distinction is that the path of an LSP must not traverse an abstract node listed in the XRO with the L bit clear, but may traverse one with the L bit set. A node responsible for routing an LSP (for example, for expanding a loose hop) should attempt to minimize the number of abstract nodes listed in the XRO with the L bit set that are traversed by the LSP according to local policy. A node generating XRO subobjects with the L bit set must be prepared to accept an LSP that traverses one, some, or all of the corresponding abstract nodes. NOTE Address Eric's request for more detail on MUST/SHOULD avoid. === Section 6 OLD 2. The EXRS MAY be supported. If supported, the same restrictions as for the XRO apply. NEW 2. The EXRS MAY be supported. If supported, the same restrictions as for the XRO apply. If not supported, an EXRS encountered during normal ERO processing MUST be rejected as an unknown ERO subobject as described in Section 4.2. Note that a node SHOULD NOT parse ahead into an ERO, and if it does, MUST NOT reject the ERO if it discovers an EXRS that applies to another node. NOTE Eric requested clarification on how a non-supporting node behaves. === Section 7 OLD The new exclude route object poses no security exposures over and above [RFC3209] and [RFC3473]. Note that any security concerns that exist with Explicit Routes should be considered with regard to route exclusions. NEW Security considerations for MPLS-TE and GMPLS signaling are covered in [RFC3209] and [RFC3473]. This document does not introduce any new messages or any substantive new processing, and so those security considerations continue to apply. Note that any security concerns that exist with explicit routes should be considered with regard to route exclusions. For example, some administrative boundaries may consider explicit routes to be security violations and may strip EROs from the Path messages that they process. In this case, the XRO should also be considered for removal from the Path message. It is possible that an arbitrarily complex XRO or EXRS sequence could be introduced as a form of denial of service attack since its presence will potentially cause additional processing at each node on the path of the LSP. It should be noted that such an attack assumes that an otherwise trusted LSR (i.e., one that has been authenticated by its neighbors) is misbehaving. A node that receives an XRO or EXRS sequence that it considers too complex according to its local policy may respond with a PathErr message carrying the error code "Routing Error" and error value "XRO Too Complex" or "EXRS Too Complex". === ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane > Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Exclude Routes - Extension to RSVP-TE > Author(s) : A. Farrel, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt > Pages : 26 > Date : 2006-11-21 > > The RSVP-TE specification, "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for LSP > Tunnels" (RFC 3209) and GMPLS extensions to RSVP-TE, "Generalized > Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Resource ReserVation > Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Extensions" (RFC 3473) allow > abstract nodes and resources to be explicitly included in a path > setup, but not to be explicitly excluded. > > In some networks where precise explicit paths are not computed at the > head end it may be useful to specify and signal abstract nodes and > resources that are to be explicitly excluded from routes. These > exclusions may apply to the whole path, or to parts of a path between > two abstract nodes specified in an explicit path. How Shared Risk > Link Groups (SLRGs) can be excluded is also specified in this > document. > > This document specifies ways to communicate route exclusions during > path setup using RSVP-TE. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:00:00 +0000 Message-ID: <020401c70d8e$3ebb2e00$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "tom.petch" , Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:56:51 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom, Yes, the I-D is indeed at an early stage with a lot of work remaining to be done. I'm sure that Tomo will be grateful for all of your pointers. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom.petch" To: "Adrian Farrel" ; Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB >I had a look at this I-D (the word MIB caught my eye:-) and it would seem >to > have some way to go, at least from an editorial point of view. eg > - the introduction isn't quite English as I know it to the point where I > am > unsure if I know what is being said about the role of this MIB module > vis-a-vis > others > - no MIB boiler plate > - IANA considerations do not mention being under the transmission branch > (is > that the right place for this?) > - use of transmission 9988 as a placeholder > - module name 'TED-DRAFT01-MIB '! > - no normative references > ........... > > all of which and more is covered in RFC4181. I would suggest a check by > the > authors against that RFC before taking this further. I also get some > strange > characters such as little black blobs at the turn of every page. > > I am also unclear where the I-D uses 'OSPF' whether it now means only OSPF > or > whether it means all such protocols and has not been updated to reflect > the > change of title ie I suggest looking carefully at all uses of 'OSPF' by > itself > and only using that when OSPF alone is meant. > > And when I understand the English better, I expect I will disagree on a > technical basis as well - eg [OSPFMIB UPDATE] (a rather clumsy reference > IMO) > does not update [OSPFMIB], it supersedes it so I suspect that there should > be a > normative reference to the former and no mention of the latter; in which > case > the reference could be to RFCyyyy. > > Tom Petch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Farrel" > To: > Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:31 PM > Subject: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB > > >> Tomo, >> >> As discussed in San Diego, could you please resubmit >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-01.txt as >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt >> >> This trivial piece of house keeping will keep us honest going forward. >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian >> >> >> > > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:22:58 +0000 Message-ID: <00c601c70d5b$dd3791a0$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on Optical Networking Work Plan Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:16 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We have received a liaison from the ITU-T Study Group 15 entitled "SG15 OTNT Standardization Work Plan". This liaison documents the next work items that Study Group 15 plans to tackle with respect to the "Optical Transport Networks and Technologies" We are invited to send any comments back by 30th April 2007. The text of the liaison can be seen below. You can find links to this, the embedded documents, and all other liaisons at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm Adrian === Attached is the updated version of "Optical Transport Networks & Technologies Standardization Work Plan" resulted from this SG15 meeting (Geneva, 30 Oct. - 10 Nov. 2006). We appreciate your review and comments. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:19:00 +0000 Message-ID: <00c401c70d5b$c606fc00$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Response liaison from ITU-T SG15 on CCAMP ASON work Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:56:41 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We have received a detailed response to our liaison on current ASON-related work within CCAMP. The full liaison can be seen at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm The bulk of the liaison is comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-ospf-02.txt and a discussion on the use of Calls and Connections in G.8080. We are called on to respond by 12th February 2007. Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:18:49 +0000 Message-ID: <00c801c70d5b$ece90e30$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on ASON Recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:56 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We have received a new liaison from ITU-T Study Group 15 on recently consented ASON Recommendations. The text is below. No action is required. You can find links to this, the embedded documents, and all other liaisons at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm Adrian === ITU-T SG15 Question 14 (Q14/15) is pleased to inform you of the consent of two ASON documents at the SG15 meeting 30 October - 10 November 2006. Attached for your information are the consented documents: - New Draft Recommendation G.7715.2/Y.1706.2 "ASON routing architecture and requirements for remote route query" - New Draft Amendment 1 to Recommendation G.7715/Y.1706 "Architecture and requirements for routing in the automatically switched optical networks" Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:07:05 +0000 Message-ID: <045401c70d7e$b16560c0$0601a8c0@pc6> Reply-To: "tom.petch" From: "tom.petch" To: "Adrian Farrel" , Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" Subject: Re: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:13:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a look at this I-D (the word MIB caught my eye:-) and it would seem to have some way to go, at least from an editorial point of view. eg - the introduction isn't quite English as I know it to the point where I am unsure if I know what is being said about the role of this MIB module vis-a-vis others - no MIB boiler plate - IANA considerations do not mention being under the transmission branch (is that the right place for this?) - use of transmission 9988 as a placeholder - module name 'TED-DRAFT01-MIB '! - no normative references ........... all of which and more is covered in RFC4181. I would suggest a check by the authors against that RFC before taking this further. I also get some strange characters such as little black blobs at the turn of every page. I am also unclear where the I-D uses 'OSPF' whether it now means only OSPF or whether it means all such protocols and has not been updated to reflect the change of title ie I suggest looking carefully at all uses of 'OSPF' by itself and only using that when OSPF alone is meant. And when I understand the English better, I expect I will disagree on a technical basis as well - eg [OSPFMIB UPDATE] (a rather clumsy reference IMO) does not update [OSPFMIB], it supersedes it so I suspect that there should be a normative reference to the former and no mention of the latter; in which case the reference could be to RFCyyyy. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB > Tomo, > > As discussed in San Diego, could you please resubmit > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-01.txt as > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt > > This trivial piece of house keeping will keep us honest going forward. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:06:38 +0000 Message-ID: <00c701c70d5b$ddea66e0$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Liaison from ITU-T SG15 on T-MPLS Labels Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:57:30 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We have been copied on a liaison clarifying the intended label usage in T-MPLS as documented in Recommendation G.8112 Table 6-1. You may be relieved to know that the proposed label usage is not conformant with MPLS and with IANA allocation rules. You can find links to this and all other liaisons at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm No action is required from CCAMP. Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:51:32 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:50:01 -0500 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Exclude Routes - Extension to RSVP-TE Author(s) : A. Farrel, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2006-11-21 The RSVP-TE specification, "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for LSP Tunnels" (RFC 3209) and GMPLS extensions to RSVP-TE, "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Extensions" (RFC 3473) allow abstract nodes and resources to be explicitly included in a path setup, but not to be explicitly excluded. In some networks where precise explicit paths are not computed at the head end it may be useful to specify and signal abstract nodes and resources that are to be explicitly excluded from routes. These exclusions may apply to the whole path, or to parts of a path between two abstract nodes specified in an explicit path. How Shared Risk Link Groups (SLRGs) can be excluded is also specified in this document. This document specifies ways to communicate route exclusions during path setup using RSVP-TE. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-11-21094457.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-exclude-route-06.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-11-21094457.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:42:18 +0000 Message-ID: <016b01c70d73$13798680$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Draft response to MFA Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:54:35 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to those of you who have sent comments on and off the list. Deborah and I have put together this draft response to the MFA. You can see the original liaison at http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp. Please send you thoughts on this by 28th November so that we can send the response. Thanks, Adrian --------- Dear Rao, Thank you very much for giving the CCAMP working group the opportunity to comment on the MFA's MPLS CNI specification. At this stage we have the following high-level comments that we request the MFA to consider and answer. Some of these comments are for clarification as we try to ramp-up on the requirements you are addressing. Others concern technical issues that we feel you should address before advancing this work. Best regards, Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs === We note that you have opted to define a new RSVP object to support a multi-class LSP following the rules for vendor private assignment as described in section 2.2 of RFC3936. We believe that you may have misinterpreted the purpose of vendor private extensions since such extensions are specifically not intended to interoperate, but you are attempting to define a specification directly for the purpose of interworking devices from different vendors. In your case it would seem to make more sense to define a standardized extension to the protocol. Should you decide that a standardized extension is better able to deliver the functionality that you require, we should like to draw your attention to draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-06.txt that defines how other SDOs may influence the development of MPLS and GMPLS protocols within the IETF, and which is currently in IETF last call. The (G)MPLS suites of protocols have become popular among multiple SDOs resulting in a need for IETF to clarify it's role as the responsible SDO for (G)MPLS protocol extensions so as to prevent unnecessary replication of functionality and the resulting interoperability problems. 1. The document is marked as Straw Ballot Text. Can you tell us what that means the status of the work is? 2. We think that your use of terminology may be a little loose. In many cases, where you say "MPLS" you are probably referring to the data plane, and specifically a packet-switching data plane with an MPLS encapsulation. But in other cases, "MPLS" and "MPLS-TE" are synonymous and refer to a signaling/routing control plane using the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP and to the two IGPs OSPF and IS-IS. In many cases you say "GMPLS-TE" which is not something we specifically recognise although we can assume that you mean simply "GMPLS". Sometimes, where you are trying to distinguish a TE LSP established using MPLS-TE from one set up using GMPLS you may intend to say "GMPLS TE-LSP" rather than "GMPLS-TE LSP". We feel that close attention to the terminology may help clarify the document. 3. Section 1.1 states: The purpose of this specification is to define an MPLS-based Client to Network Interconnect (CNI) for establishing GMPLS Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). Can we assume that this means that the client-to-client LSPs are established using GMPLS protocols, but that the signaling within the core network is out of scope? Especially since section 1.2 states: At the CNI, it is not desirable to have the client equipment participate in the internal control protocols of the MPLS network. 4. Can you clarify why you have selected GMPLS protocols and not MPLS-TE protocols on which to build your CNI. We are not opposed to this, but are seeking to understand the choice. Perhaps the main reason is the requirement for bidirectional LSPs. 5. Can you clarify whether the core network is assumed to be PSC only? That is, for example, if the CNI encoding is POS, would it be acceptable for the PE and the rest of the core network to switch the LSP as TDM until the remote PE or even CE, or do you require that the PE must perform packet switching? If the PE must perform packet switching, is it still acceptable for the core LSP (PE-PE) to be switched at some other technology? 6. Section 1.3 states: Where the network uses MPLS-TE signaling, the PE routers are expected to perform the translation. It is our opinion that this translation is non-trivial and may be impossible for some of the GMPLS services that are available at the CNI. For example, supporting a bidirectional service over an MPLS-TE signaling network requires additional coordination between the end-points that is currently not available in the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP-TE. From the following text in section 7.1, we assume that the PE may refuse a CNI request if it is unable to provide the required level of function. The transport network in the provider network is a GMPLS or MPLS-TE based packet switched network that must support request for uni-directional LSPs and may support requests for bi-directional LSPs 7. Section 2.1 The correct expansion of "GMPLS" is "Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching". In view of you chosen expansion of "MPLS", you may prefer to show this as "Generalize Multi Protocol Label Switching". 8. Section 7.2 states: The CE and PE nodes are inter-connected by point-to-point interfaces. The signaling channel is "in-band", i.e., the labeled packets share the same access connection as the RSVP-TE signaling. This is an acceptable, but not required, method of deploying GMPLS-based signaling. It is our suspicion reading this very short section that it is your intention to forbid the use of the IF_ID RSVP_HOP Object at the CNI. Can you confirm or deny this? 9. Section 7.3 states: A client need only know its own address, a reachable address of the adjacent PE-node, and know the address of any other client to which it wishes to connect. The addresses listed above must be configured on each client. A PE need only know (and track) the addresses on interfaces attached to clients, as well as the Node IDs of these attached clients. In addition, the IP/MPLS network needs to know reachability to the interface addresses and Node IDs of other PEs to which an attached client is permitted to connect. This appears to miss the fact that the client will address a CNI connection request to a remote client address. The local PE must, therefore, know how to route to these client addresses that are outside the core routing domain. Perhaps the final sentence should say CE not PE? But in 9.1.2 you have: When a PE receives a Path message from a client that contains no ERO indicating transit network selection, then the PE is responsible for progressing the Path message toward the destination. The progression of the Path message is beyond the scope of this specification. While the details are clearly out of scope, it *is* relevant to the definition of the CNI how the core acquires and distributes the client-side addressing information that is necessary for routing across the core. You will observe that the problem you are solving (including the fact that the client addresses may come from an address space that overlaps with the core address space) is similar to the L3VPN problem. 10. What is the expected behavior from the core network when an E-LSP is requested at the CNI? Can we assume that the expectation is that an appropriate E-LSP will also be established across the core so that Diffserv behavior will be performed along the whole length of the client-client connection, or is this not a requirement? If core Diffserv behavior is required, how will the core handle the presence of multiple classes? 11. You are correct to observe that the ERO is optional in GMPLS implementations (sections 9.1.1 and 9.1.2), however, since you are specifying a profile for use at the CNI, and since both the CE and the PE must be CNI-aware (i.e., you cannot simply use legacy implementations) you may find it convenient to mandate support of the ERO at the CNI. We believe that in practice all implementations support ERO. 12. In section 9.1.1 you have: The client populates the ERO object with only one sub-object containing an Autonomous System Number (ASN) representing a transit network beyond the originating service provider. The client equipment must set the ASN sub-object 'L' bit to 1, indicating a loose route. It is not completely clear what is meant by 'the originating service provider', but we assume that this refers to the network that the ingress PE belongs to. In this case, this ERO is malformed and will be rejected. The first sub-object of a received ERO must always define an abstract node that the receiver is a member of. See RFC 3209, section 4.3.4.1, point 1). 13. In section 9.4: PE next to a client receives a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network, it may in turn generate either a ResvTear or PathTear, whichever is applicable, to be sent to the client. There are no circumstances in which a PE receiving a PathErr with Path_State_Removed from the network would send PathTear to the client. It is unclear to us why you would specify that the CNI built on GMPLS might not use this standard GMPLS procedure. 14. In section 9.5.3: The Extended Classtype object is signaled in the Path message, and saved in the Path State Block (PSB) at every hop. We recommend that you simply state that the state is stored as every hop. The existence of a PSB is implementation- specific. Can you please clarify "at every hop". Are you expecting nodes in the core network to store this information. If so, you should note that the core nodes will not recognize the object class and will reject any messages carrying it. 15. In 9.5.4: An LSR that recognizes the Extended Classtype object and that receives a Path message which contains the Extended Classtype object but which does not contain a Label Request object or which does not have a session type of LSP_Tunnel_IPv4, must send a PathErr message towards the sender with the error code 'extended-classtype Error' and an error value of 'Unexpected Extended Classtype object'. These are defined below: Why do you define new parsing behavior for the absence of a Label Request object (by the way, you should say Generalized Label Request object, since this is GMPLS)? The absence of mandatory objects is already covered in RFC2205. 16. The error code defined in 9.5.4 is conformant with RFC 3936. You may wish to look at draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec in case this gives you the ability to handle more detailed private error codes. Finally, we would like to refer you to draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-01.txt and draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt for the latest state of discussions in CCAMP with respect to interworking MPLS and GMPLS networks. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:13:34 +0000 Message-ID: <3fd801c70bd3$853ed140$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Fw: Posting of IPR Disclosure Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:02:57 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi CCAMPers, Please be aware that an IPR Disclosure has been posted for draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk. I am not competent to evaluate IPR claims, but I want to point out that this I-D is Informational and does not require any specific implementation. Adrian > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Framework > for > MPLS-TE to GMPLS migration" (draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk) > was > submitted to the IETF Secretariat and has been posted on the "IETF > Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/ipr_list.cgi). The title of the IPR > disclosure is "Tellabs Statement about IPR claimed in > draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-00." > > The IETF Secretariat Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:02:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3c5b01c709a0$93b37ee0$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Draft minutes posted Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:59:18 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Deborah has done an excellent job of compiling a single set of minutes from the great notes collected by Richard, Lyndon, and Don. These are uploaded at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/minutes/ccamp.htm Please check them, comment on missing things or corrections, and start to work on the actions identified. Just a reminder to look at the slides and drafts that fell off the bottom of the agenda and to comment on the list. Thanks, Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:12:18 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Liaison received from MFA Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:09:54 +0100 Message-ID: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB026040B2092@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Thread-Topic: Liaison received from MFA Thread-Index: AccIlMskPZaAR+rFRF21QNTWk3ZckAAED7fA From: "MEURIC Julien RD-CORE-LAN" To: , Hi all. The MFA appears to focus on PSC using GMPLS procedures: I agree we = should wonder whether this as a specific GMPLS profile or a removal of = the Generalized aspect. Anyway, I think the answer we'll give them = should include a pointer to draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk. I'm not sure this is the place for detailled comments, but I had a quick = look on the specification and here are my thoughts. - It seems their terminology is mixing MPLS/MPLS-TE/GMPLS, thus leading = to the misused "GMPLS-TE" acronym. By the way, I don't think we mention = any "GMPLS-TE capable interfaces" (p.6) in IETF. - The section 7.2 named "GMPLS Signaling Channel" only mentions that = "labeled packets share the same access connection as the RSVP-TE = signaling". However, RFC 3945 says: "the control channels [...] exist = independently of the links they manage", thus requiring in case of POS = interface, for instance, to have a specific channel -- like DCC bytes -- = pre-existing to any STS-3/VC-4 (or OC-3n/STM-n) connection. Here again, = I'm not so sure they're really doing *G*MPLS. As a result, I feel they're combining RFC 4208 and 4124, but they're = also turning off the generalized aspects -- which I'm not very fond of: = this is not GMPLS any more. Furthermore, I fear control and data plane = separation is not properly understood in their document. This makes me = think this is more an MPLS issue inspired by some "advanced" mechanisms = from RFC 3473 and others. Regards, Julien -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Hi, CCAMP has received a liaison from the MFA. You can see this at http://www.olddog.co.uk/incoming.htm I'm not quite sure whether this should actually be handled by us or by = the=20 MPLS working group, so I will be discussing it with the MPLS chairs. All comments on this work gratefully received. We are called upon to respond by February. Adrian=20 Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:52:28 +0000 Message-ID: <14e901c70893$004512d0$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: Subject: Liaison received from MFA Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:49:37 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, CCAMP has received a liaison from the MFA. You can see this at http://www.olddog.co.uk/incoming.htm I'm not quite sure whether this should actually be handled by us or by the MPLS working group, so I will be discussing it with the MPLS chairs. All comments on this work gratefully received. We are called upon to respond by February. Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:52:38 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:50:01 -0500 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Database Management Information Base in support of GMPLS Author(s) : T. Nadeau, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt Pages : Date : 2006-11-13 This memo defines the Management Information Base (MIB) objects in order to manage traffic engineering database (TED) information with extension in support of Multi-protocol label switching (MPLS) as well as Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) for use with network management protocols. 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RFC 4736 Title: Reoptimization of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE) Loosely Routed Label Switched Path (LSP) Author: JP. Vasseur, Ed., Y. Ikejiri, R. Zhang Status: Informational Date: November 2006 Mailbox: jpv@cisco.com, y.ikejiri@ntt.com, raymond_zhang@bt.infonet.com Pages: 14 Characters: 28850 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ccamp-loose-path-reopt-02.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4736.txt This document defines a mechanism for the reoptimization of loosely routed MPLS and GMPLS (Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching) Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) signaled with Resource Reservation Protocol Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE). 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Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:50:44 +0000 Message-ID: <060801c704f0$59425510$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , "Bernard Aboba" , "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" , "Ross Callon" , "Bill Fenner" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" , , Subject: Liaison to IEEE 802.1 from IETF CCAMP Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:47:42 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: IEEE 802.1 From: IETF CCAMP Working Group Cc: Dan Romascanu, Bernard Aboba, Bert Wijnen Ross Callon, Bill Fenner, Deborah Brungard Subject: Control plane operation of Ethernet Bridging Status: For Information Dear Tony and Mick, We would like to clarify the previous Liaison from CCAMP with respect to Ethernet bridging behavior. We have received requests to evaluate the use of GMPLS protocols for the control of bridging in Ethernet networks. At this time we have not initiated any work. We recognise IEEE's authority to define and maintain the Ethernet data plane, and fully understand IEEE's concern for other SDOs to adhere to the IEEE's specifications. We would like to assure you that within the IETF's CCAMP working group we have the understanding that any Ethernet work shall only be based on IEEE specified data planes. For your information, we have defined the following rules and process for advancing this work within CCAMP: Rules: A. Data plane (i.e. the data forwarding of established flows) specification is out of scope and must not be discussed within CCAMP. B. CCAMP will not work on the specification of GMPLS except for data planes that are already approved by an SDO with responsibility for the Ethernet data plane. It is expected that the primary SDO in this case is the IEEE. Process steps: 1. Decide upon the data plane behavior to be controlled using GMPLS. 2. Ensure that the data plane to be controlled is approved and documented by an SDO with responsibility for Ethernet (i.e., the IEEE). This may be a null op in the case of existing standards, but might require work in the other SDO for new standards or for profiles of existing standards. 3. Start protocol work in CCAMP with an explicit pointer to the approved data plane. 4. When it is clear that protocol work is progressing, CCAMP will liaise with the other SDO to get their blessing for using a control plane for the nominated data plane and to confirm that that data plane is really approved. In addition, we expect to liaise our status during the development of any control plane extensions. Best regards, Deborah Brungard and Adrian Farrel IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:34:26 +0000 Message-ID: <047301c7044f$214a1860$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" , Cc: "Ross Callon" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Subject: Re: Proposed liaison to IEEE 802.1 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:33:43 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bert, I was being lazy and listing rules and process together. I will split them out. Yes, we are right up to the wire on the liaison. If I send you the update tomorrow (Friday) can you send it straight away? Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: "Adrian Farrel" ; Cc: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" ; "Ross Callon" ; "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: RE: Proposed liaison to IEEE 802.1 > Is there a missing header line before the numbered list. > see my ??? inline > > IEEE 802.1 has its "lisiosn statements" slot on Monday > afternoon 13 November. Timezone is Dallas USA. > > Bert >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 14:10 >> To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org >> Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Ross Callon; Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS >> Subject: Proposed liaison to IEEE 802.1 >> >> >> Hi, >> >> In view of the fact that IEEE 802.1 is meeting very soon, we >> think it may be >> helpful to report to them how we have agreed to work on GMPLS >> control of >> Ethernet. >> >> Below, please find a proposed liaison that is built from the >> process we >> agreed in the CCAMP meeting at IETF-66, and presented on the >> GELS and CCAMP >> mailing lists. >> >> Please comment on the text as soon as possible. >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian and Deborah >> >> === >> >> We would like to clarify the previous Liaison from CCAMP with >> respect to >> Ethernet switching behavior. >> >> We have received requests to evaluate the use of GMPLS >> protocols for the >> control of forwarding in Ethernet networks. At this time we have not >> initiated any work. >> >> We recognise IEEE's authority to define and maintain the >> Ethernet data >> plane, and fully understand IEEE's concern for other SDOs to adhere to >> the IEEE's specifications. We would like to assure you that >> within the >> IETF's CCAMP working group we have the understanding that any >> Ethernet work >> shall only be based on IEEE specified data planes. >> >> For your information, we have defined the following rules and >> process for >> advancing this work within CCAMP: >> >> - Data plane specification is out of scope and must not be discussed >> within CCAMP. >> >> - CCAMP will not work on the specification of GMPLS except for >> data planes that are already approved by an SDO with responsibility >> for the Ethernet data plane. It is expected that the primary SDO >> in this case is IEEE. >> > > ?? > So are the above the "only rules" ? I.e. they are unnumbered? > Are the following also defined rules, but now numbered? Or is > there a missing header line here that expalins what the next > numbered items represent? > Or am I missing something obvious? > ?? > >> 1. Decide upon the data plane behavior to be controlled using GMPLS. >> >> 2. Ensure that the data plane to be controlled is approved >> and documented by an SDO with responsibility for Ethernet >> (i.e., the IEEE). >> This may be a null op in the case of existing standards, but >> might require work in the other SDO for new standards >> for profiles of existing standards. >> >> 3. Start protocol work in CCAMP with an explicit pointer >> to the approved data plane. >> >> 4. When it is clear that protocol work is progressing, >> CCAMP will liaise with the other SDO to get their >> blessing for using a control plane for the nominated data >> plane. >> >> Best regards, >> Deborah Brungard and Adrian Farrel >> CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs >> >> > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:34:17 +0000 Message-ID: <047201c7044f$20867a40$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "Tomohiro Otani" Subject: Renaming the GMPLS TED/OSPF MIB Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:31:59 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tomo, As discussed in San Diego, could you please resubmit draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-01.txt as draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-00.txt This trivial piece of house keeping will keep us honest going forward. Thanks, Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:11:52 +0000 Message-ID: <041e01c7044b$be6532f0$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" , "Ross Callon" , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Subject: Proposed liaison to IEEE 802.1 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:09:30 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, In view of the fact that IEEE 802.1 is meeting very soon, we think it may be helpful to report to them how we have agreed to work on GMPLS control of Ethernet. Below, please find a proposed liaison that is built from the process we agreed in the CCAMP meeting at IETF-66, and presented on the GELS and CCAMP mailing lists. Please comment on the text as soon as possible. Thanks, Adrian and Deborah === We would like to clarify the previous Liaison from CCAMP with respect to Ethernet switching behavior. We have received requests to evaluate the use of GMPLS protocols for the control of forwarding in Ethernet networks. At this time we have not initiated any work. We recognise IEEE's authority to define and maintain the Ethernet data plane, and fully understand IEEE's concern for other SDOs to adhere to the IEEE's specifications. We would like to assure you that within the IETF's CCAMP working group we have the understanding that any Ethernet work shall only be based on IEEE specified data planes. For your information, we have defined the following rules and process for advancing this work within CCAMP: - Data plane specification is out of scope and must not be discussed within CCAMP. - CCAMP will not work on the specification of GMPLS except for data planes that are already approved by an SDO with responsibility for the Ethernet data plane. It is expected that the primary SDO in this case is IEEE. 1. Decide upon the data plane behavior to be controlled using GMPLS. 2. Ensure that the data plane to be controlled is approved and documented by an SDO with responsibility for Ethernet (i.e., the IEEE). This may be a null op in the case of existing standards, but might require work in the other SDO for new standards for profiles of existing standards. 3. Start protocol work in CCAMP with an explicit pointer to the approved data plane. 4. When it is clear that protocol work is progressing, CCAMP will liaise with the other SDO to get their blessing for using a control plane for the nominated data plane. Best regards, Deborah Brungard and Adrian Farrel CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:22:35 +0000 To: "Bardalai, Snigdho" Cc: "ccamp" , dpapadimitriou@psg.com, owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org, rabbat@alum.mit.edu Subject: RE: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:19:21 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" hi - see inline "Bardalai, Snigdho" Sent by: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org 07/11/2006 06:56 To: , Dimitri PAPADIMITRIOU/BE/ALCATEL@ALCATEL cc: "ccamp" , Subject: RE: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID Hi Dimitri, Thanks for your responses. Please see in-line for [SCB] Snigdho From: dimitri papadimitriou [mailto:dpapadimitriou@psg.com] Sent: Mon 11/6/2006 6:12 PM To: Bardalai, Snigdho Cc: ccamp; rabbat@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID hi - see inline Bardalai, Snigdho wrote: > Hi Dimitri, > > As mentioned in today's meeting I have the following questions on this > ID: > > 1. The Addressing Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an addressable IP > address i.e. one can ping this address. > > The ID needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON. isn't section 5.1 clear enough concerning this TE Router ID usage ? [SCB] I am a bit confused because as per RFC3630 each router can only advertise one router address top level TLV. In case a router represents "N" TE nodes then there can be multiple TE Router IDs. My question is - which TE Router ID can be set in the router address TLV ? [dp] and this document does also advertize one router_address top level TLV (not multiple per TE LSA), not because there is a TE router ID associated to each Li that multiple router_address TLV are being used within a given TE LSA - note that ASON does not list requirements on TE Router ID itself (since implementation independent) [SCB] OK. > 2. Upward / downward LSA transformation > > When LSAs are exported from one level to another then these LSAs need to be > transformed. The ID does not clearly specify how the transformation takes place. > > The specific scenarios are: > + Upward LSA transformation - what values are used for the adv Router ID, Router Address > and LINK ID ? see below > + Downward LSA transformation - what values are used (for above mentioned fields) ? only case where there is any information processing is in case of reachability such as to aggregate information for the rest everything there is no processing of the opaque LSA information - [SCB] What about downward dissemination of higher level topology elements ? [dp] i don't catch the exact point here - would you clarify concerning the adv.router_id i will add a statement in next revision (without any surprise here) [SCB] OK, and what about the associated TE Router ID for the reachability information ? [dp] do you mean in case you would be aggregating reachability from multiple TE router ID, how the latter would be aggregated - note that the reachability information is part of a separate sub-TLV than the TE router ID sub-TLV - meaning aggregation could be performed on behalf of the advertizing node leaving the answer here quite straightforward > 3. TE Links LSAs > > From reading the ID I can infer that every TE link advertised at a particular level > needs to be a link between 2 routers i.e. Router ID, because the LINK ID MUST > be set to the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630. yes - there is no need to change anything from that perspective > In that case when there is only one router for a set of TE nodes then how will > the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single router. Or is it > expected that these TE link LSAs never get advertised by that single router > (i.e. all TE nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ? ok i see ... there is no advertizement of internal structure of abstract nodes otherwise make use of the logical link case - see RFC 4652 [SCB] So are we saying logical links are limited to cases 1 & 2 ? [dp] logical links case only holds when a configuration like depicted in Fig. 2 of RFC 4652 holds > 4. Upward / downward discovery and selection > > The ID describes a procedure by which routers can automatically discover and select > the upward and downward speaker router. > > It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a router ID larger than > its own and the U or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting LSAs. > > What is not clear is that how does the router with the highest router ID know when to > start importing or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge which is the current > speaker and there is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped importing or exporting > LSAs. > > Could you please explain how this works ? hysteresis mechanisms is expained in section 6.2.1 prevents from disturbing the routing information dissemination process once selection has been performed - so the condition you are describing does not occur if import/export is already in place. [SCB] There are 2 types of information that is being discussed here - 1. regular routing information being flooded in the area 2. upward / downward routing information The rule is that the router with the highest router ID will disseminate the upward / downward information. The router with the highest router ID is identified using the regular routing information being flooded in the area. Now a new router is added which is the highest router ID. This router must NOT disseminate upward/downward routing information even though it has the highest router ID because another router is already selected. How does it figure out that it must NOT disseminate the upward / downward routing information i.e. another router is already selected for the job ? [dp] your question boils down to: how does the highest router_id that pops up know whether there is an already selected router_id already operating - here a couple of lines will be added because the default process was menat to allow manual control of the switchover but i can automate the process by planning a release (by MaxAging previous selection) hope this clarifies - d. > Thanks, > Snigdho > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:46:19 +0000 Message-ID: <4551343A.401@us.fujitsu.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:34:50 -0800 From: Richard Rabbat User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp CC: Snigdho Bardalai , lidan 37133 , Huub van Helvoort , Diego Caviglia , "julien.meuric" , jingrq@ctbri.com.cn, gjhhit@huawei.com Subject: further clarification about time-slot interchange Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, W/r to time-slot interchange vs. time-slot allocation, here is the reference to TSI not being allowed in G.841 (10/98) on page 49 item 10: 10) Ring utilization criteria - Time-slot interchange will allow better utilization of bandwidth of the ring. If Time-Slot Interchange (TSI) is allowed, the traffic having a time-slot interchange through the failed location may or may not be restored. It is for further study whether TSI shall be allowed, and if allowed, whether traffic having time-slot interchange through the failed location will be restored. Basically, even though TSI would be desirable, at this time, there is no solution that uses TSI and can restore traffic hence if restoration is required then TSI is not allowed as per the current definition of the MS-SPRing standards. Hence, the need for TSA. We hope this helps clarify the issue. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:13:10 +0000 Message-ID: <069f01c70298$169470e0$9015a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: OIF Communication Uploaded Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:10:57 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, As promised at the meeting yesterday, I have uploaded the latest communications from the OIF at http://www.olddog.co.uk/incoming.htm Sorry about the proprietary format of this information. I have run the zip file through my virus scanner, but I make no guarantees. Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 05:58:47 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C70231.81A1A0AB" Subject: RE: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:56:45 -0600 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID Thread-Index: AccCAUj/gl1SayniTX2VOl1CYR9MFQAFxayZ From: "Bardalai, Snigdho" To: , Cc: "ccamp" , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70231.81A1A0AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dimitri, =20 Thanks for your responses. Please see in-line for [SCB] =20 Snigdho =20 =20 ________________________________ From: dimitri papadimitriou [mailto:dpapadimitriou@psg.com] Sent: Mon 11/6/2006 6:12 PM To: Bardalai, Snigdho Cc: ccamp; rabbat@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID hi - see inline Bardalai, Snigdho wrote: > Hi Dimitri, >=20 > As mentioned in today's meeting I have the following questions on this > ID: >=20 > 1. The Addressing Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an = addressable IP > address i.e. one can ping this address. >=20 > The ID needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON. isn't section 5.1 clear enough concerning this TE Router ID usage ? [SCB] I am a bit confused because as per RFC3630 each router can only advertise one router address top level TLV. In case a router represents "N" TE nodes then there can be multiple TE Router = IDs. My question is - which TE Router ID can be set in the router = address TLV ? note that ASON does not list requirements on TE Router ID itself (since implementation independent) [SCB] OK. > 2. Upward / downward LSA transformation >=20 > When LSAs are exported from one level to another then these LSAs = need to be > transformed. The ID does not clearly specify how the = transformation takes place. >=20 > The specific scenarios are: > + Upward LSA transformation - what values are used for the adv = Router ID, Router Address > and LINK ID ? see below > + Downward LSA transformation - what values are used (for above = mentioned fields) ? only case where there is any information processing is in case of reachability such as to aggregate information for the rest everything there is no processing of the opaque LSA information - [SCB] What about downward dissemination of higher level topology = elements ?=20 concerning the adv.router_id i will add a statement in next revision (without any surprise here) [SCB] OK, and what about the associated TE Router ID for the = reachability information ? > 3. TE Links LSAs >=20 > From reading the ID I can infer that every TE link advertised at a = particular level > needs to be a link between 2 routers i.e. Router ID, because the = LINK ID MUST > be set to the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630. yes - there is no need to change anything from that perspective > In that case when there is only one router for a set of TE nodes = then how will > the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single = router. Or is it > expected that these TE link LSAs never get advertised by that = single router > (i.e. all TE nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ? ok i see ... there is no advertizement of internal structure of abstract nodes otherwise make use of the logical link case - see RFC 4652 =20 [SCB] So are we saying logical links are limited to cases 1 & 2 ? > 4. Upward / downward discovery and selection >=20 > The ID describes a procedure by which routers can automatically = discover and select > the upward and downward speaker router. >=20 > It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with = a router ID larger than > its own and the U or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting = LSAs. >=20 > What is not clear is that how does the router with the highest = router ID know when to > start importing or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge = which is the current > speaker and there is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped = importing or exporting > LSAs. >=20 > Could you please explain how this works ? hysteresis mechanisms is expained in section 6.2.1 prevents from disturbing the routing information dissemination process once selection has been performed - so the condition you are describing does not occur if import/export is already in place. =20 [SCB] There are 2 types of information that is being discussed here - 1. regular routing information being flooded in the area 2. upward / downward routing information =20 The rule is that the router with the highest router ID will = disseminate the upward / downward information. The router with the = highest router ID is identified using the regular routing information being = flooded in the area. =20 Now a new router is added which is the highest router ID. = This router must NOT disseminate upward/downward routing information even = though it has the highest router ID because another router is already = selected. How does it figure out that it must NOT disseminate the upward / = downward routing information i.e. another router is already selected for the job ? hope this clarifies - d. > Thanks, > Snigdho > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70231.81A1A0AB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID=0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A=
Hi = Dimitri,
=0A=
 
=0A=
Thanks for = your responses. =0A= Please see in-line for [SCB]
=0A=
 
=0A=
Snigdho
=0A=
 
=0A=
 
=0A=

=0A=
=0A= From: dimitri papadimitriou =0A= [mailto:dpapadimitriou@psg.com]
Sent: Mon 11/6/2006 6:12 =0A= PM
To: Bardalai, Snigdho
Cc: ccamp; =0A= rabbat@alum.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON = OSPF-TE =0A= ID

=0A=
=0A=

hi - see inline

Bardalai, Snigdho = wrote:

> Hi =0A= Dimitri,

> As mentioned in today's meeting I have = the =0A= following questions on this
> ID:

> 1. The = Addressing =0A= Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an addressable =0A= IP
>     address i.e. one can ping this =0A= address.

>     The ID needs to = clearly =0A= state what is the requirement for ASON.

isn't section 5.1 clear = enough =0A= concerning this TE Router ID usage ?

=0A=
[SCB] I am a bit confused because as per RFC3630 = each router =0A= can only
=0A=
           =0A= advertise one router address top level TLV. In case a = router
=0A=
          &nbs= p;represents =0A= "N" TE nodes then there can be multiple TE Router IDs.
=0A=
           =0A= My question is - which TE Router ID can be set in the router =0A= address
=0A=
           =0A= TLV ?

note that ASON does not list requirements on TE Router ID = itself =0A= (since
implementation independent)
=0A=

[SCB] OK.

> 2. Upward / downward LSA =0A= transformation

>     When LSAs = are =0A= exported from one level to another then these LSAs need to =0A= be
>     transformed. The ID does not clearly = specify =0A= how the transformation takes =0A= place.

>     The specific = scenarios =0A= are:
>     + Upward LSA transformation - what = values =0A= are used for the adv Router ID, Router =0A= Address
>        and LINK ID =0A= ?

see below

>     + Downward LSA =0A= transformation - what values are used (for above mentioned fields) = ?

only =0A= case where there is any information processing is in case = of
reachability =0A= such as to aggregate information

for the rest everything there is = no =0A= processing of the opaque LSA
information -

=0A=

[SCB] What about downward dissemination of higher = level topology =0A= elements ?

=0A=

concerning the adv.router_id i will add a statement in = next =0A= revision
(without any surprise here)

=0A=

[SCB] OK, and what about the associated TE Router = ID for =0A= the reachability information ?

> 3. TE Links =0A= LSAs

>     From reading the ID I = can =0A= infer that every TE link advertised at a particular =0A= level
>     needs to be a link between 2 = routers i.e. =0A= Router ID, because the LINK ID MUST
>     be = set to =0A= the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630.

yes - there = is no =0A= need to change anything from that =0A= perspective

>     In that case when there = is only =0A= one router for a set of TE nodes then how = will
>     =0A= the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single = router. Or is =0A= it
>     expected that these TE link LSAs = never get =0A= advertised by that single router
>     (i.e. = all TE =0A= nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ?

ok i see ... = there is =0A= no advertizement of internal structure of abstract
nodes otherwise = make use =0A= of the logical link case - see RFC 4652

=0A=
 
=0A=
[SCB] So are we saying logical links are limited to cases = 1 & =0A= 2 ?
=0A=

> 4. Upward / downward discovery and =0A= selection

>    The ID describes a = procedure =0A= by which routers can automatically discover and = select
>    =0A= the upward and downward speaker = router.

>    =0A= It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a = router ID =0A= larger than
>    its own and the U or D bit set it = will =0A= stop importing or exporting = LSAs.

>    What =0A= is not clear is that how does the router with the highest router ID know = when =0A= to
>    start importing or exporting LSAs, because = it has =0A= no knowledge which is the current
>    speaker and = there is =0A= no clear way to figure out when it has stopped importing or =0A= exporting
>    =0A= LSAs.

>    Could you please explain = how this =0A= works ?

hysteresis mechanisms is expained in section 6.2.1 = prevents =0A= from
disturbing the routing information dissemination process once =0A= selection
has been performed - so the condition you are describing = does not =0A= occur
if import/export is already in place.
=0A=
 
=0A=
[SCB] There are 2 types of information that is being discussed here = -
=0A=
            = 1. =0A= regular routing information being flooded in the area
=0A=
            = 2. =0A= upward / downward routing information
=0A=
 
=0A=
           Th= e rule =0A= is that the router with the highest router ID will disseminate
=0A=
           the = upward / =0A= downward information. The router with the highest router ID
=0A=
           is = identified =0A= using the regular routing information being flooded in the area.
=0A=
 
=0A=
           Now a = new =0A= router is added which is the highest router ID. This router
=0A=
           mu= st NOT =0A= disseminate upward/downward routing information even though it
=0A=
           has = the =0A= highest router ID because another router is already selected. How = does
=0A=
           it = figure out =0A= that it must NOT disseminate the upward / downward routing = information
=0A=
           i.e. = another =0A= router is already selected for the job ?
=0A=

hope this clarifies
- d.



> Thanks,
> =0A= Snigdho
>
=0A= =0A= =0A= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70231.81A1A0AB-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:48:13 +0000 Message-ID: <454FF3D8.3070107@psg.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:47:52 +0100 From: dimitri papadimitriou Reply-To: dpapadimitriou@psg.com, dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Farrel CC: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Drafts not discussed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit adrian > PS We have decided that we need more time at the next IETF meeting does it mean wg is going to ask for two slots for next meeting to the iesg ? thanks, - d. Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry that we didn't get to discuss some of your drafts in the meeting > today. > > Please read the slides on line and discuss on the mailing list. > > A > > PS We have decided that we need more time at the next IETF meeting > > > > . > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:13:46 +0000 Message-ID: <454FCF57.2030707@psg.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:12:07 +0100 From: dimitri papadimitriou Reply-To: dpapadimitriou@psg.com, dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bardalai, Snigdho" CC: ccamp , rabbat@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi - see inline Bardalai, Snigdho wrote: > Hi Dimitri, > > As mentioned in today's meeting I have the following questions on this > ID: > > 1. The Addressing Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an addressable IP > address i.e. one can ping this address. > > The ID needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON. isn't section 5.1 clear enough concerning this TE Router ID usage ? note that ASON does not list requirements on TE Router ID itself (since implementation independent) > 2. Upward / downward LSA transformation > > When LSAs are exported from one level to another then these LSAs need to be > transformed. The ID does not clearly specify how the transformation takes place. > > The specific scenarios are: > + Upward LSA transformation - what values are used for the adv Router ID, Router Address > and LINK ID ? see below > + Downward LSA transformation - what values are used (for above mentioned fields) ? only case where there is any information processing is in case of reachability such as to aggregate information for the rest everything there is no processing of the opaque LSA information - concerning the adv.router_id i will add a statement in next revision (without any surprise here) > 3. TE Links LSAs > > From reading the ID I can infer that every TE link advertised at a particular level > needs to be a link between 2 routers i.e. Router ID, because the LINK ID MUST > be set to the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630. yes - there is no need to change anything from that perspective > In that case when there is only one router for a set of TE nodes then how will > the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single router. Or is it > expected that these TE link LSAs never get advertised by that single router > (i.e. all TE nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ? ok i see ... there is no advertizement of internal structure of abstract nodes otherwise make use of the logical link case - see RFC 4652 > 4. Upward / downward discovery and selection > > The ID describes a procedure by which routers can automatically discover and select > the upward and downward speaker router. > > It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a router ID larger than > its own and the U or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting LSAs. > > What is not clear is that how does the router with the highest router ID know when to > start importing or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge which is the current > speaker and there is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped importing or exporting > LSAs. > > Could you please explain how this works ? hysteresis mechanisms is expained in section 6.2.1 prevents from disturbing the routing information dissemination process once selection has been performed - so the condition you are describing does not occur if import/export is already in place hope this clarifies - d. > Thanks, > Snigdho > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:10:17 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C701F8.AC48050D" Subject: RE: Some questions on LMP Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:09:55 -0600 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Some questions on LMP Thread-Index: AccB99T91rrPVVo5ROmiqwKkz4oHKw== From: "Bardalai, Snigdho" To: "Bardalai, Snigdho" , "ccamp" Cc: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F8.AC48050D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All: CC: Jonathan P. Lang =20 I had sent these questions on LMP some time back. I have'nt heard any response since. I am anxious to get some response. =20 Thanks, Snigdho ________________________________ From: Bardalai, Snigdho Sent: Tue 10/24/2006 7:17 PM To: ccamp Cc: jplang@ieee.org Subject: Some questions on LMP Hi, I have a few questions on LMP. Would like to hear back some opinions on these. First question - Section 9 on "Addressing" mentions that a Config message over a non-point-to-point link (which could mean an ethernet link), must be sent with the destination IP set to the unicast IP address of the neighboring node. Considering a scenario where there are 2 nodes that has mutliple control-channels 1) an out-of-fiber one over a non-point-to-point link 2) an in-fiber one over a point-to-point link Since there is no guarantee that the Config message with the unicast destination IP address meant for control-channel 1) will not get routed out on the point-to-point link what measures should the neighboring node take to properly map the Config message to the correct instance of the control-channel ? Next question - Does RFC4204 consider network reconfiguration scenarios ? For example, if graceful restart is enabled control-channel re-establishment is done using the unicast IP address of the neighboring node in the Config message that was recovered from, say, the non-volatile storage database. At what point in time will the Config message destination IP address switch to the multicast IP address (assuming the control-channel is over a point-to-point link) ? Last question - Graceful restart requires the following (extracted from Section 8): If, however, the node was not capable of retaining the LMP link information across a restart, the node MUST accept the data link parameters of the received LinkSummary message and respond with a LinkSummaryAck message. Should a node not capable of retaining any information across a restart respond with a LinkSummaryAck in case link verification is enabled ? The issue is the information that is being accepted may not be correct. Thanks, Snigdho ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F8.AC48050D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Some questions on LMP=0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A=
All:
=0A=
CC: Jonathan P. = Lang
=0A=
 
=0A=
I had sent these questions on LMP some time back. I = have'nt =0A= heard
=0A=
any response since. I am anxious to get some = response.
=0A=
 
=0A=
Thanks,
=0A=
Snigdho
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
From: Bardalai, =0A= Snigdho
Sent: Tue 10/24/2006 7:17 PM
To: = ccamp
Cc: =0A= jplang@ieee.org
Subject: Some questions on = LMP

=0A=
=0A=

Hi,

I have a few questions on LMP. Would like = to hear =0A= back some opinions on
these.

First question -

Section 9 = on =0A= "Addressing" mentions that a Config message over = a
non-point-to-point
link =0A= (which could mean an ethernet link), must be sent with = the
destination IP set =0A= to
the unicast IP address of the neighboring node.

Considering = a =0A= scenario where there are 2 nodes that has = mutliple
control-channels
1) an =0A= out-of-fiber one over a non-point-to-point link
2) an in-fiber one = over a =0A= point-to-point link

Since there is no guarantee that the Config = message =0A= with the unicast
destination IP address
meant for control-channel = 1) will =0A= not get routed out on the
point-to-point link what
measures should = the =0A= neighboring node take to properly map the Config
message to = the
correct =0A= instance of the control-channel ?

Next question -

Does = RFC4204 =0A= consider network reconfiguration scenarios ? For example,
if =0A= graceful
restart is enabled control-channel re-establishment is done = using =0A= the
unicast IP address
of the neighboring node in the Config = message that =0A= was recovered from,
say, the non-volatile
storage database. At = what point =0A= in time will the Config message
destination IP address
switch to = the =0A= multicast IP address (assuming the control-channel is over
a =0A= point-to-point
link) ?

Last question -

Graceful restart =0A= requires the following (extracted from Section 8):

   = If, =0A= however, the node was not capable of retaining
   the LMP = link =0A= information across a restart, the node MUST accept the
   = data link =0A= parameters of the received LinkSummary message and = respond
   with =0A= a LinkSummaryAck message.

Should a node not capable of retaining = any =0A= information across a restart
respond with a LinkSummaryAck in case = link =0A= verification is enabled ?
The issue is the information that is being = accepted =0A= may not be =0A= correct.

Thanks,
Snigdho



=0A= =0A= =0A= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F8.AC48050D-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:00:55 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C701F7.4EC80365" Subject: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:00:09 -0600 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Questions on GMPLS ASON OSPF-TE ID Thread-Index: AccB1vgdtPWOM003QyOIi+qPTPXa6A== From: "Bardalai, Snigdho" To: "ccamp" Cc: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F7.4EC80365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dimitri, =20 As mentioned in today's meeting I have the following questions on this ID: =20 1. The Addressing Draft requires that the TERouterID to be an = addressable IP address i.e. one can ping this address. =20 The ID needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON. =20 2. Upward / downward LSA transformation =20 When LSAs are exported from one level to another then these LSAs = need to be transformed. The ID does not clearly specify how the transformation = takes place. =20 The specific scenarios are: + Upward LSA transformation - what values are used for the adv = Router ID, Router Address and LINK ID ? + Downward LSA transformation - what values are used (for above = mentioned fields) ? =20 3. TE Links LSAs =20 From reading the ID I can infer that every TE link advertised at a = particular level needs to be a link between 2 routers i.e. Router ID, because the = LINK ID MUST be set to the neighboring router's Router ID as per RFC 3630. =20 In that case when there is only one router for a set of TE nodes = then how will the TE link LSAs look like when they get advertised by that single = router. Or is it expected that these TE link LSAs never get advertised by that single = router (i.e. all TE nodes must get represented as an abstract node) ? =20 4. Upward / downward discovery and selection =20 The ID describes a procedure by which routers can automatically = discover and select the upward and downward speaker router. =20 It is quite clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a = router ID larger than its own and the U or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting = LSAs.=20 =20 What is not clear is that how does the router with the highest router = ID know when to start importing or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge which = is the current speaker and there is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped = importing or exporting LSAs. =20 Could you please explain how this works ? =20 Thanks, Snigdho ------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F7.4EC80365 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=
Hi Dimitri,
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As mentioned in today's meeting I have = the =0A= following questions on this
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ID:
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1. The Addressing Draft requires = that the TERouterID =0A= to be an addressable IP
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    address i.e. =0A= one can ping this address.
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    The ID =0A= needs to clearly state what is the requirement for ASON.
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2. Upward / downward LSA =0A= transformation
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    When LSAs are = exported from one =0A= level to another then these LSAs need to be
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    transformed. The ID = does not =0A= clearly specify how the transformation takes place.
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    The specific = scenarios =0A= are:
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    + Upward LSA = transformation =0A= - what values are used for the adv Router ID, Router =0A= Address
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       = and LINK ID =0A= ?
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    + Downward LSA = transformation - what =0A= values are used (for above mentioned fields) ?
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3. TE Links LSAs
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    From reading the ID = I can infer =0A= that every TE link advertised at a particular level
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    needs to be a link = between 2 =0A= routers i.e. Router ID, because the LINK ID MUST
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    be set to the = neighboring =0A= router's Router ID as per RFC 3630.
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    In that case when = there is only =0A= one router for a set of TE nodes then how will
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    the TE link LSAs = look like when =0A= they get advertised by that single router. Or is it
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    expected that these = TE link LSAs never get advertised by that single =0A= router
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    (i.e. all TE nodes = must =0A= get represented as = an abstract =0A= node) ?
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4. Upward / downward discovery and =0A= selection
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   The ID describes a = procedure by which =0A= routers can automatically discover and select
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   the upward and downward = speaker =0A= router.
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   It is quite =0A= clear that when the current speaker sees a router with a router ID = larger =0A= than
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   its own and the U =0A= or D bit set it will stop importing or exporting =0A= LSAs. 
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   What is not clear =0A= is that how does the router with the highest router ID know when =0A= to
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   start importing =0A= or exporting LSAs, because it has no knowledge which is the = current
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   speaker and there =0A= is no clear way to figure out when it has stopped importing or =0A= exporting
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   =0A= LSAs.
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   Could you please =0A= explain how this works ?
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Thanks,
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Snigdho
------_=_NextPart_001_01C701F7.4EC80365-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:10:48 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TNLIp+ZMLP3Ci53S3YiuHlmhzZ2ibTp6LNbuJpQv7bKiI6kBfNZFphklTX++6RBosehyInVu9ml3PTQcXgFRRqdbUvAtZ/bUInenOjPsfxCrssWppZ81bX9Cn6Z4sPGpSO2X1lUqy09mHs9sc/cQfIe4LmPH1A+srwyVx5dHz20= Message-ID: <406e32c00611061409k400e1676y3b0fb004350c8794@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:09:53 -0500 From: "Peng He" To: "Adrian Farrel" Subject: Re: Drafts not discussed Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I just went to the l2vpn meeting, it was finished within an hour but with a reservation of 2 hours. On 11/6/06, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry that we didn't get to discuss some of your drafts in the meeting > today. > > Please read the slides on line and discuss on the mailing list. > > A > > PS We have decided that we need more time at the next IETF meeting > > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:58:58 +0000 Message-ID: <04a901c701e5$fa99caf0$9015a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Drafts not discussed Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:55:16 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Sorry that we didn't get to discuss some of your drafts in the meeting today. Please read the slides on line and discuss on the mailing list. A PS We have decided that we need more time at the next IETF meeting