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I thought that we were going to specify a mandatory to implement congestion control mechanism that could be turned off when administrators know that the traffic on their network will be IP-only and/or when they know that all of the traffic on their network is generated by systems that implement some type of congestion control. Margaret On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to > run this by the transport ADs and advisors? > > PatC > > From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:45 PM > To: capwap > Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control > > Another issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that > congestion control needs to be considered for CAPWAP. > The concern was that in case of congestion in the network, > packets could get discarded and the sources may not be > notified or may not realize it. This could lead to > congestion collapse and fairness issues. > > In reality, almost all data traffic being tunneled over > CAPWAP is IP. Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is > between the WTP and AC only. TCP already has its own congestion > control mechanism between the source and the sink, and > I'd argue that creating another congestion control loop > in the path would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop > and lead to undesirable effects. > > I'd suggest we add a Transport Considerations section > to the CAPWAP spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be > sent over the Internet when using CAPWPAP. > Some proposed text is provided below. > > Thoughts/comments ? > > Thanks, > Abhijit > > -------------PROPOSED TEXT --------------- > > Transport Considerations > > The CAPWAP protocol does not provide a congestion control mechanism. > The underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is > IP. Since it is essentially a tunneling protocol between two > intermediate > points in the path between the wireless client and the end host, it > was felt that having a separate congestion control for CAPWAP would > actually interfere with the congestion control mechanisms already > in place. > > In order to prevent congestion collapse and fairness issues from > happening in the Internet, it is recommended that non-IP traffic > not be tunneled over CAPWAP. > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Oct 03 17:03:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdBNn-00062y-2X for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:03:51 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdBNg-0002dk-66 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:03:51 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1277433259 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6009B4A4033 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3FD32281F1 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0931F32281ED for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted after greylist delay (Sender first seen 8 mons 23 days 06:47:19 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.128.97.133] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.8]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPSA id 2321349; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:03:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619504B31A3F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B16195049BF1FE@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A41047997B8@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619504B31A3F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <143DB600-3CEC-4A62-90B1-3181E32E3037@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:03:06 -0400 To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 20f22c03b5c66958bff5ef54fcda6e48 This would also make sense to me, personally. Margaret On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) wrote: > I am okay with Rohit's suggestion of keeping UDP-Lite as > the mandatory transport over IPv6 for the data channel > and adding the ability to negotiate UDP for the datapath > in case middle-boxes are present. For this to work, we > would need UDP to be mandatory for the control channel. > > > This seems like a fine compromise to me. This retains the > performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most deployments, and > allows us to handle deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, and > V4-V6 > translators. > > In summary, we will have UDP as mandatory for the control channel > for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP will be mandatory for the data channel > for IPv4, and for IPv6, UDP-Lite will be mandatory, and UDP optional. > > Thanks, > Abhijit > > > > > From: Rohit Suri (rsuri) > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM > To: Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap > Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > I agree with Puneet. Abhijit correctly pointed out, > "The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on > performance reasons. Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11 > conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions > the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware > would be expensive.However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol > has serious issues related to traversal of NATs,V4-V6 gateways and > firewalls > when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite" > > I think it does not make sense to sacrifice performance just to > handle the > scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways deployed in the future. > Instead, in such network configurations, we should allow the > protocol to negotiate the use of UDP data transport in IPv6 networks. > The default should remain UDP-Lite as that will give most performance > for common network deployments. > > In order to have support for both UDP and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control > should always use UDP and for CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should be > negotiated. This negotiation can be easily completed as part of CAPWAP > config request/response. > > This solution ensures that performance is not compromised > for the majority of deployments where there is no need to > run CAPWAP over NAT, firewalls or V4-V6 gateways by running CAPWAP > data > over UDP-Lite. At the same time, it incorporates the flexibility > to negotiate UDP for the data path, if NATs, firewalls and V4-V6 > translators > are present. > > Regards > Rohit > > From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM > To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > Hi Abhijit, > > UDPLite for IPv6 is a fine compromise (especially when there are no > firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality without the > checksum computation expense. > Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 mandatory. > > Thanks. > > -Puneet > > From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM > To: capwap > Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting > issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6. Specifically, the > issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls > need some serious consideration. > > The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on > performance reasons. Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11 > conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions > the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware > would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol > has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls > when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite. > > This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for > IPv6. We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation > gateways and firewalls present. > > Thoughts/comments ? > > Abhijit > > p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below. > Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in > the > document. > > > ---------------------- PROPOSED TEXT > ---------------------------------- > 3. CAPWAP Transport > > Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according > to the > standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP > as the > transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6. This section > describes how > the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols. > > 3.1. UDP Transport > > One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside > behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. > Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the > well- > known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical > choice. For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be > set to zero. > > CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the > CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4. The CAPWAP > control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA > assigned]. The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port > selected by the WTP. > > CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the > CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4. The CAPWAP data > port > at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. The > CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Oct 03 17:05:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdBOu-0008T8-7L for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:05:00 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdBOq-0002fX-Ol for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:04:58 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A0843323D for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908B34A4033 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BD53228184 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82ED3228086 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.8] (c-24-128-97-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.128.97.133]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20071003210429m1100n1du8e>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:04:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619504B31A3F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B16195049BF1FE@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A41047997B8@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619504B31A3F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <5E1708DF-4A66-49D2-9C57-50D602AAC14E@lilacglade.org> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:04:27 -0400 To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 20f22c03b5c66958bff5ef54fcda6e48 This would also make sense to me, personally. Margaret On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) wrote: > I am okay with Rohit's suggestion of keeping UDP-Lite as > the mandatory transport over IPv6 for the data channel > and adding the ability to negotiate UDP for the datapath > in case middle-boxes are present. For this to work, we > would need UDP to be mandatory for the control channel. > > > This seems like a fine compromise to me. This retains the > performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most deployments, and > allows us to handle deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, and > V4-V6 > translators. > > In summary, we will have UDP as mandatory for the control channel > for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP will be mandatory for the data channel > for IPv4, and for IPv6, UDP-Lite will be mandatory, and UDP optional. > > Thanks, > Abhijit > > > > > From: Rohit Suri (rsuri) > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM > To: Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap > Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > I agree with Puneet. Abhijit correctly pointed out, > "The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on > performance reasons. Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11 > conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions > the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware > would be expensive.However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol > has serious issues related to traversal of NATs,V4-V6 gateways and > firewalls > when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite" > > I think it does not make sense to sacrifice performance just to > handle the > scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways deployed in the future. > Instead, in such network configurations, we should allow the > protocol to negotiate the use of UDP data transport in IPv6 networks. > The default should remain UDP-Lite as that will give most performance > for common network deployments. > > In order to have support for both UDP and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control > should always use UDP and for CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should be > negotiated. This negotiation can be easily completed as part of CAPWAP > config request/response. > > This solution ensures that performance is not compromised > for the majority of deployments where there is no need to > run CAPWAP over NAT, firewalls or V4-V6 gateways by running CAPWAP > data > over UDP-Lite. At the same time, it incorporates the flexibility > to negotiate UDP for the data path, if NATs, firewalls and V4-V6 > translators > are present. > > Regards > Rohit > > From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM > To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > Hi Abhijit, > > UDPLite for IPv6 is a fine compromise (especially when there are no > firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality without the > checksum computation expense. > Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 mandatory. > > Thanks. > > -Puneet > > From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM > To: capwap > Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting > issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6. Specifically, the > issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls > need some serious consideration. > > The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on > performance reasons. Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11 > conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions > the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware > would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol > has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls > when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite. > > This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for > IPv6. We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation > gateways and firewalls present. > > Thoughts/comments ? > > Abhijit > > p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below. > Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in > the > document. > > > ---------------------- PROPOSED TEXT > ---------------------------------- > 3. CAPWAP Transport > > Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according > to the > standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP > as the > transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6. This section > describes how > the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols. > > 3.1. UDP Transport > > One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside > behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. > Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the > well- > known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical > choice. For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be > set to zero. > > CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the > CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4. The CAPWAP > control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA > assigned]. The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port > selected by the WTP. > > CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the > CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4. The CAPWAP data > port > at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. The > CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Oct 03 17:05:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdBPF-0000oy-Sw for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:05:21 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdBPE-0002gh-I5 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:05:21 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA5343327E for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882F94A4033 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AD9433251 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06198433244 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:04:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.8] (c-24-128-97-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.128.97.133]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20071003210443m1100n1du9e>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:04:43 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2044E8815@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> References: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2044E8815@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:04:41 -0400 To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 Personally, I thought we reached a different conclusion from the discussion in Chicago. I thought that we were going to specify a mandatory to implement congestion control mechanism that could be turned off when administrators know that the traffic on their network will be IP-only and/or when they know that all of the traffic on their network is generated by systems that implement some type of congestion control. Margaret On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to > run this by the transport ADs and advisors? > > PatC > > From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:45 PM > To: capwap > Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control > > Another issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that > congestion control needs to be considered for CAPWAP. > The concern was that in case of congestion in the network, > packets could get discarded and the sources may not be > notified or may not realize it. This could lead to > congestion collapse and fairness issues. > > In reality, almost all data traffic being tunneled over > CAPWAP is IP. Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is > between the WTP and AC only. TCP already has its own congestion > control mechanism between the source and the sink, and > I'd argue that creating another congestion control loop > in the path would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop > and lead to undesirable effects. > > I'd suggest we add a Transport Considerations section > to the CAPWAP spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be > sent over the Internet when using CAPWPAP. > Some proposed text is provided below. > > Thoughts/comments ? > > Thanks, > Abhijit > > -------------PROPOSED TEXT --------------- > > Transport Considerations > > The CAPWAP protocol does not provide a congestion control mechanism. > The underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is > IP. 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Actually, I've been thinking some more about this, and I think that we might want to go with the general approach that Abhijit suggested, but be a bit more specific regarding the situation. For example: "Transport Considerations The CAPWAP WG carefully considered the congestion control requirements of the CAPWAP protocol, both for the CAPWAP control and data channels. CAPWAP specifies a single-threaded command/response protocol to be used on the control channel, and we have specified that an exponential back-off algorithm should be used when commands are retransmitted. When CAPWAP runs in its default mode (Local MAC), the control channel is the only CAPWAP channel. However, CAPWAP can also be run in Split MAC mode, in which case there will be a DTLS-encrypted data channel between each WTP and the AC. The WG discussed various options for providing congestion control on this channel. However, due to performance problems with TCP when it is run over another congestion control mechanism and the fact that the vast majority of traffic run over the CAPWAP data channel is likely to be congestion-controlled IP traffic, the CAPWAP WG felt that specifying a congestion control mechanism for the CAPWAP data channel would be more likely to cause problems than to resolve any. Because there is no congestion control mechanism specified for the CAPWAP data channel, it is recommended that non-congestion-controlled traffic not be tunneled over CAPWAP. When a significant amount of non-congestion-controlled traffic is expected to be present on a WLAN, the CAPWAP connection between the AC and the WTP for that LAN should be configured to remain in Local MAC mode." What do folks think? Dave Borman, could you comment on whether this decision will be acceptable to the Transport ADs? Margaret On Oct 3, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > > > Personally, I thought we reached a different conclusion from the > discussion in Chicago. I thought that we were going to specify a > mandatory to implement congestion control mechanism that could be > turned off when administrators know that the traffic on their network > will be IP-only and/or when they know that all of the traffic on > their network is generated by systems that implement some type of > congestion control. > > Margaret > > > > On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > >> Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to >> run this by the transport ADs and advisors? >> >> PatC >> >> From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:45 PM >> To: capwap >> Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control >> >> Another issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that >> congestion control needs to be considered for CAPWAP. >> The concern was that in case of congestion in the network, >> packets could get discarded and the sources may not be >> notified or may not realize it. This could lead to >> congestion collapse and fairness issues. >> >> In reality, almost all data traffic being tunneled over >> CAPWAP is IP. Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is >> between the WTP and AC only. TCP already has its own congestion >> control mechanism between the source and the sink, and >> I'd argue that creating another congestion control loop >> in the path would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop >> and lead to undesirable effects. >> >> I'd suggest we add a Transport Considerations section >> to the CAPWAP spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be >> sent over the Internet when using CAPWPAP. >> Some proposed text is provided below. >> >> Thoughts/comments ? >> >> Thanks, >> Abhijit >> >> -------------PROPOSED TEXT --------------- >> >> Transport Considerations >> >> The CAPWAP protocol does not provide a congestion control mechanism. >> The underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is >> IP. 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PatC -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:33 AM To: Margaret Wasserman Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control Still commenting as an individual... Actually, I've been thinking some more about this, and I think that we might want to go with the general approach that Abhijit suggested, but be a bit more specific regarding the situation. For example: "Transport Considerations The CAPWAP WG carefully considered the congestion control requirements of the CAPWAP protocol, both for the CAPWAP control and data channels. CAPWAP specifies a single-threaded command/response protocol to be used on the control channel, and we have specified that an exponential back-off algorithm should be used when commands are retransmitted. When CAPWAP runs in its default mode (Local MAC), the control channel is the only CAPWAP channel. However, CAPWAP can also be run in Split MAC mode, in which case there will be a DTLS-encrypted data channel between each WTP and the AC. The WG discussed various options for providing congestion control on this channel. However, due to performance problems with TCP when it is run over another congestion control mechanism and the fact that the vast majority of traffic run over the CAPWAP data channel is likely to be congestion-controlled IP traffic, the CAPWAP WG felt that specifying a congestion control mechanism for the CAPWAP data channel would be more likely to cause problems than to resolve any. Because there is no congestion control mechanism specified for the CAPWAP data channel, it is recommended that non-congestion-controlled traffic not be tunneled over CAPWAP. When a significant amount of non-congestion-controlled traffic is expected to be present on a WLAN, the CAPWAP connection between the AC and the WTP for that LAN should be configured to remain in Local MAC mode." What do folks think? Dave Borman, could you comment on whether this decision will be acceptable to the Transport ADs? Margaret On Oct 3, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > > > Personally, I thought we reached a different conclusion from the > discussion in Chicago. I thought that we were going to specify a > mandatory to implement congestion control mechanism that could be > turned off when administrators know that the traffic on their network > will be IP-only and/or when they know that all of the traffic on their > network is generated by systems that implement some type of congestion > control. > > Margaret > > > > On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > >> Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to >> run this by the transport ADs and advisors? >> >> PatC >> >> From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:45 PM >> To: capwap >> Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control >> >> Another issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that congestion >> control needs to be considered for CAPWAP. >> The concern was that in case of congestion in the network, packets >> could get discarded and the sources may not be notified or may not >> realize it. This could lead to congestion collapse and fairness >> issues. >> >> In reality, almost all data traffic being tunneled over CAPWAP is IP. >> Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is between the WTP and AC only. TCP >> already has its own congestion control mechanism between the source >> and the sink, and I'd argue that creating another congestion control >> loop in the path would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop >> and lead to undesirable effects. >> >> I'd suggest we add a Transport Considerations section to the CAPWAP >> spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be sent over the Internet >> when using CAPWPAP. >> Some proposed text is provided below. >> >> Thoughts/comments ? >> >> Thanks, >> Abhijit >> >> -------------PROPOSED TEXT --------------- >> >> Transport Considerations >> >> The CAPWAP protocol does not provide a congestion control mechanism. >> The underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is >> IP. 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header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 48472a944c87678fcfe8db15ffecdfff Can we call this "rough consensus"? PatC -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:mrw@lilacglade.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:04 PM To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 This would also make sense to me, personally. Margaret On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) wrote: > I am okay with Rohit's suggestion of keeping UDP-Lite as the mandatory > transport over IPv6 for the data channel and adding the ability to > negotiate UDP for the datapath in case middle-boxes are present. For > this to work, we would need UDP to be mandatory for the control > channel. > > > This seems like a fine compromise to me. This retains the performance > benefits of UDP-Lite for most deployments, and allows us to handle > deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, and > V4-V6 > translators. > > In summary, we will have UDP as mandatory for the control channel for > both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP will be mandatory for the data channel for > IPv4, and for IPv6, UDP-Lite will be mandatory, and UDP optional. > > Thanks, > Abhijit > > > > > From: Rohit Suri (rsuri) > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM > To: Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap > Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > I agree with Puneet. Abhijit correctly pointed out, "The choice of > UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on performance reasons. > Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11 conversion and encapsulation in > hardware, and in our discussions the consensus was that requiring > checksum computation in hardware would be expensive.However, it seems > that the CAPWAP protocol has serious issues related to traversal of > NATs,V4-V6 gateways and firewalls when using IPv6 since such boxes > don't typically support UDP-Lite" > > I think it does not make sense to sacrifice performance just to handle > the scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways deployed in the future. > Instead, in such network configurations, we should allow the protocol > to negotiate the use of UDP data transport in IPv6 networks. > The default should remain UDP-Lite as that will give most performance > for common network deployments. > > In order to have support for both UDP and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control > should always use UDP and for CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should be > negotiated. This negotiation can be easily completed as part of CAPWAP > config request/response. > > This solution ensures that performance is not compromised for the > majority of deployments where there is no need to run CAPWAP over NAT, > firewalls or V4-V6 gateways by running CAPWAP data over UDP-Lite. At > the same time, it incorporates the flexibility to negotiate UDP for > the data path, if NATs, firewalls and V4-V6 translators are present. > > Regards > Rohit > > From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM > To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > Hi Abhijit, > > UDPLite for IPv6 is a fine compromise (especially when there are no > firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality without the checksum > computation expense. > Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 mandatory. > > Thanks. > > -Puneet > > From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM > To: capwap > Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting issues > related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6. Specifically, the issues > related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls need some > serious consideration. > > The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on > performance reasons. Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11 conversion > and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions the consensus > was that requiring checksum computation in hardware would be > expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol has serious > issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls when using IPv6 > since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite. > > This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for IPv6. > We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation gateways > and firewalls present. > > Thoughts/comments ? > > Abhijit > > p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below. > Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in > the document. > > > ---------------------- PROPOSED TEXT > ---------------------------------- > 3. CAPWAP Transport > > Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to > the > standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP as > the > transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6. This section describes > how > the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols. > > 3.1. UDP Transport > > One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside > behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. > Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the > well- > known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical > choice. 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This should be made clear in the spec. -Bob Bob O'Hara Cisco Systems - WNBU Phone: +1 408 853 5513 Mobile: +1 408 218 4025 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From dankolumley@www.interactualplayer.com Thu Oct 11 16:35:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig4kw-0007ot-PQ for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:35:42 -0400 Received: from bdsl.66.15.140.143.gte.net ([66.15.140.143]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig4km-0004dO-HX for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:35:38 -0400 Received: from SPA by www.interactualplayer.com with ASMTP id D2A3753D for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:35:53 -0700 Received: from SPA ([164.140.145.128]) by www.interactualplayer.com with ESMTP id F8DBC186A49F for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:35:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c80c46$3c7dcaa0$8f8c0f42@SPA> From: "danko lumley" To: Subject: evoum Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:35:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C80C0B.901EF2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C80C0B.901EF2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello love capwap-archive do you really want to be average all the time? danko lumley http://www.boshedo.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C80C0B.901EF2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Before publishing 01 version of MIB draft prepared by David and me (Shi yang), I would like introduce some major changes of it compared with 00 version.

The main change of 01 version:

1)      Rename "WTP radio template" with "WTP virtual radio".
An important objective for MIB draft is to reuse IEEE 802.11 MIB and future IEEE 802.11 standards. Otherwise, it will be impossible to make IETF CAPWAP to work
 well with IEEE 802.11 MIB standards. Without reusing, the only thing we could do is to keep modifying CAPWAP and 802.11 binding MIB to support new 802.11 standards.
The problem is current IEEE 802.11 MIB is easy to be used by FAT AP, while it will have trouble for Fit AP. A major reason for this trouble is most tables in IEEE 802.11 MIB are indexed by ifIndex (It could responding to a radio interface). According to CAPWAP idea, user should prepare radio configuration before WTP connect to AC. At the time, there is no any radio info.
In the 00 version, it bring forward a idea of "WTP radio template". Before WTP connect to AC, administrator will create a "WTP radio template" interface, under it, administrator could set parameter for a radio. By this way, this virtual radio interface will establish mapping relationship with PHY radio of a WTP. Through this " ifIndex", CAPWAP will be able to easily reuse current and future 802.11 MIB standards. In another word, CAPWAP MIB will establish a bridge between CAPWAP MIB and IEEE 802.11 MIB.
But in the 00 version, considering the name of "WTP radio template" is not very meaningful, so it will be replaced by new name of "WTP virtual radio" interface. The basic design idea of 00 version is still followed by 01 version.
 
2)      Add an example section
Some guy in the mailing list asked me some issues of 00 version. I found the reason of their doubt is on account of no example to explain how MIB is used.
So an entire example is added for CAPWAP MIB and 802.11 binding MIB. With it, it will explain how interface MIB, CAPWAP MIB, IEEE 802.11 MIB will be used together
Wish it will make it easy to understand by this way.
 
3)  Update some table design
My next mail will discuss it. Kindly refer to it.
 
Regards
 
Richard (Shi yang)
 
 
 
 
------=_Part_24648_15861654.1192198937757-- --===============2005415057== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============2005415057==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 10:28:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgLVH-0003vr-ML for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:28:39 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgLVG-0007AM-1U for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:28:39 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464C2322838E for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A23F4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4C532280B0 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0D322810E for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:28:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (Low); Whitelisted (Reverse DNS hostname ug-out-1314.google.com whitelisted) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so627287ugf for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.5 with SMTP id p5mr3169548ugh.1192199295234; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.21.20 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73f4b8cd0710120728xc9fd4f2q21107e76be527de0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:28:15 +0800 From: "ff richard_fy" To: capwap@frascone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] The design of configurable objects in the CAPWAP MIB drafts X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0623828263==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 42e3ed3f10a1d8bef690f09da16f507a --===============0623828263== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24687_10010430.1192199295228" ------=_Part_24687_10010430.1192199295228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Besides my introduction of 01 MIB draft, here, I hope to discuss issue about "monitoring and configurable objects". As a common way, for most IETF standard MIB, they will usually provide "monitoring objects" (read only objects). Few configurable objects are there. The initial idea for CAPWAP MIB drafts is same. But when I thought CAPWAP is to provide a standard protocol for configuration and management of WTP, some idea come to my mind. The configuration functions are important to protocol, and MIB may also provide some configuration ability. But too many configurable objects in the MIB will also bring too many restriction to wireless vendors' implement. So I think MIB drafts should only provide configurable objects which is exactly required by the way of reusing 802.11 MIB. Besides these configurable objects, no any other configurable objects should be provided by MIB draft. Follow this idea, the MIB draft will provide the following configurable objects (tables) 1) A table to configure the mapping relationship between radio id and "WTP virtual interface" In the CAPWAP protocol, radio id in protocol message is a way to identify a radio on a WTP. As per my last mail, "WTP virtual interface" is way to virtually identify PHY radio, and provide a way to reuse 802.11 MIB. To make CAPWAP and 802.11 standards work together, draft will provide a way (mib table) to configure their relationship. 2) To configure data forward and tunnel mode of a specific WLAN It is an important feature of FIT AP. 3) To configure multiple BSS's relationship with a radio (virtual AP) Current IEEE MIB did not support virtual AP. The MIB table is to provide a way. I wish all vendors could use these MIB table as a standard way, and provide a way to reuse IEEE MIB standard. Other configuration just let vendors do it by their way. If configurable objects are not used, another way is to provide some tables to indicate mapping relationship or configuration in the 1 ) , 2) and 3). The difference is to only provide read only objects. The advantage is to give more space to vendors implement. I thought the disadvantage is: The IEEE MIB already provides lots of configurable objects for configuration function, and it is nature to provide some configurable objects in the CAPWAP MIB drafts to help vendors to reuse IEEE 802.11 MIB in a consistent way. Otherwise, I am afraid it will make compatible become difficult. In summary, there are two alternative way for CAPWAP MIB design 1) To provide some configurable objects, but these objects are only one which will help WG to reuse IEEE 802.11 MIB. 2) Only provide some monitoring object, read only objects. The configurable objects lets vendor decide. I thought it is a important topic for MIB design, Kindly give your comment for this issue. Regards Richard (Shi yang) ------=_Part_24687_10010430.1192199295228 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Besides my introduction of 01 MIB draft, here, I hope to discuss issue about "monitoring and configurable objects".   
As a common way, for most IETF standard MIB, they will usually provide "monitoring objects" (read only objects).
Few configurable objects are there. The initial idea for CAPWAP MIB drafts is same.
But when I thought CAPWAP is to provide a standard protocol for configuration and management of WTP, some idea come to my mind.
The configuration functions are important to protocol, and MIB may also provide some configuration ability.
But too many configurable objects in the MIB will also bring too many restriction to wireless vendors' implement.
So I think MIB drafts should only provide configurable objects which is exactly required by the way of reusing 802.11 MIB.
Besides these configurable objects, no any other configurable objects should be provided by MIB draft.
 
Follow this idea, the MIB draft will provide the following configurable objects (tables)
1)       A table to configure the mapping relationship between radio id and "WTP virtual interface"
In the CAPWAP protocol, radio id in protocol message is a way to identify a radio on a WTP.
As per my last mail, "WTP virtual interface" is way to virtually identify PHY radio, and provide a way to reuse 802.11 MIB.
To make CAPWAP and 802.11 standards work together, draft will provide a way (mib table) to configure their relationship.
2)      To configure data forward and tunnel mode of a specific WLAN
It is an important feature of FIT AP.
3)      To configure multiple BSS's relationship with a radio (virtual AP)
Current IEEE MIB did not support virtual AP. The MIB table is to provide a way.
I wish all vendors could use these MIB table as a standard way, and provide a way to reuse IEEE MIB standard.
Other configuration just let vendors do it by their way.

If configurable objects are not used, another way is to provide some tables to indicate mapping relationship or configuration in the 1 ) , 2) and 3).
The difference is to only provide read only objects. The advantage is to give more space to vendors implement.
I thought the disadvantage is: The IEEE MIB already provides lots of configurable objects for configuration function,
and it is nature to provide some configurable objects in the CAPWAP MIB drafts to help vendors to reuse IEEE 802.11 MIB in a consistent way.
Otherwise, I am afraid it will make compatible become difficult.

In summary, there are two alternative way for CAPWAP MIB design
1)       To provide some configurable objects, but these objects are only one which will help WG to reuse IEEE 802.11 MIB.
2)      Only provide some monitoring object, read only objects. The configurable objects lets vendor decide.
I thought it is a important topic for MIB design, Kindly give your comment for this issue.

Regards

Richard (Shi yang)

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It is not clear what this value represents. Is it in bytes? If so, it is not large enough. Is it in 1024-byte blocks? This should be made clear in the spec. -Bob Bob O'Hara Cisco Systems - WNBU Phone: +1 408 853 5513 Mobile: +1 408 218 4025 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 12:07:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgN3O-0007L4-8H for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:07:58 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgN3M-0003Qh-U4 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:07:58 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CE54318FA for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673D94A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD063228183 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B152B3228158 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,267,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="180669514" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 09:07:46 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CG7kwK013975 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:07:46 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CG7klD006024 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:07:46 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:07:46 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:07:49 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C9081@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Issue 16: MAC Address Length Thread-Index: AcgM6gj2iCevJblORcmYcUt9Pyaudg== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 16:07:46.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[074BFC40:01C80CEA] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue 16: MAC Address Length X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 I have addressed the MAC Address Length field from 9 bits to 8. I am not including the changes here unless someone wants to review my ability to remove two blank spaces ;-) I will therefore close the issue. PatC _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 12:09:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgN4Y-0008Ni-5i for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:09:10 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgN4V-0003Tc-9D for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:09:10 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E41431814 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E5A4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B096243168F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CB04312C5 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:08:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:08:57 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,267,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="235888990" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 09:08:55 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CG8tZi005236 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:08:55 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CG8slD007383 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:08:55 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:08:54 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:08:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C9084@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20418FFDB@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Issue 15: DataChannelKeepAlive Thread-Index: AcfNOwiPhdLj4cKEQO+RklmjiTGGIA/rxzsQ From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 16:08:54.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[30119B80:01C80CEA] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 15: DataChannelKeepAlive X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Given no comment since July, I will assume this item is closed. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:06 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Issue 15: DataChannelKeepAlive The DataChannelKeepAlive timer is not defined in the -07 version of the spec. The following is the proposed text for this issue. X.X DataChannelKeepAlive The DataChannelKeepAlive timer is used by the WTP to determine the next opportunity when it must transmit the Data Channel KeepAlive. Default: 30 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 12:37:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgNWN-0005aG-KT for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:37:55 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgNWG-0004Ur-0U for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:37:55 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED80431B7E for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13FE4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C717B4319E4 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B669430E4C for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:37:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:37:31 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,267,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="534407778" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 09:37:23 -0700 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CGbQTA005309 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:37:26 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CGbCpR001196 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:37:26 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:37:13 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:37:15 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C909E@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Issue 2: Potential Firmware Download Performance Issue Thread-Index: AcgM7iXmzchiTSKqQUyRwHNLFLRS1Q== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 16:37:13.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[245D8E80:01C80CEE] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue 2: Potential Firmware Download Performance Issue X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab As we discussed during the face-to-face meeting, I would like to close this issue by adding specific text to the transport consideration section. The proposed text follows: The lock step nature of the CAPWAP protocol's control channel can cause the firmware download process to take some time, depending upon the RTT. This is not expected to be a problem since the CAPWAP protocol allows firmware to be downloaded while the WTP provides service to wireless clients/devices. Comments? PatC _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 12:53:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgNlq-0007Fx-7v for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:54 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgNlo-00052i-SK for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:54 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7C7431D7D for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D184A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364513228158 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6687432280B0 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [209.86.224.46] (helo=elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IgNle-0003IO-Tt for capwap@frascone.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:42 -0400 Received: from 216.31.249.246 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: <8305735.1192208022700.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:42 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: "Scott G. Kelly" To: capwap Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 5b98cdd91c374dcd776432462e451d7bd15d05d9470ff7107517077feb047094e6f7347d94bc8f81350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Fw: OpenSSL Security Advisory X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Scott G. Kelly" List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 FYI... vulnerability in the openssl DTLS implementation - patch is available. -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Ben Laurie >Sent: Oct 12, 2007 4:05 AM >To: OpenSSL Announce , openssl-users , OpenSSL Dev , Bugtraq , Cryptography , full-disclosure-request@lists.grok.org.uk >Subject: OpenSSL Security Advisory > >OpenSSL Security Advisory [12-Oct-2007] > >OpenSSL Vulnerabilities >----------------------- > >Vulnerability A >--------------- > >Andy Polyakov discovered a flaw in OpenSSL's DTLS implementation which >could lead to the compromise of clients and servers with DTLS enabled. > >DTLS is a datagram variant of TLS specified in RFC 4347 first >supported in OpenSSL version 0.9.8. Note that the vulnerabilities do >not affect SSL and TLS so only clients and servers explicitly using >DTLS are affected. > >We believe this flaw will permit remote code execution. > >This vulnerability is tracked as CVE-2007-4995. > >Versions Affected >----------------- > >All releases of 0.9.8 prior to 0.9.8f. > >Recommendation >-------------- > >Either > >a) Upgrade to the latest version of OpenSSL (0.9.8f) and rebuild all >packages using OpenSSL for DTLS. > >or, > >b) Disable DTLS. > >Vulnerability B >--------------- > >Moritz Jodeit found an off-by-one error in SSL_get_shared_ciphers(), a >function that should normally only be used for logging or debugging. > >The impact of this overflow is unclear. > >This vulnerability is tracked as CVE-2007-5135. > >Versions Affected >----------------- > >All releases of 0.9.8 prior to 0.9.8f. All releases of 0.9.7 prior to >0.9.7m. > >(Note that versions prior to 0.9.8d and 0.9.7l actually had a worse >problem in the same function). > >Recommendation >-------------- > >a) Don't use SSL_get_shared_ciphers(). > >OR > >b) Upgrade to 0.9.8f. > >-- >http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.links.org/ > >"There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he >doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >The Cryptography Mailing List >Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo@metzdowd.com _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 12:54:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgNmW-0008E5-45 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:54:36 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgNmT-00054J-UV for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:54:36 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAE6431C8B for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561604A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A80322810D for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1893228130 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail.wrs.com (mail.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ALA-MAIL03.corp.ad.wrs.com (ala-mail03 [147.11.57.144]) by mail.wrs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l9CGrl5j021143; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ala-mail06.corp.ad.wrs.com ([147.11.57.147]) by ALA-MAIL03.corp.ad.wrs.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:46 -0700 Received: from [192.168.81.2] ([192.168.81.2]) by ala-mail06.corp.ad.wrs.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:53:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2044E8814@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> References: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2044E8814@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <4C7EC94C-610D-4E45-AB96-E0D0F8CA90A3@windriver.com> From: David Borman Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:53:43 -0500 To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 16:53:45.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[741BC340:01C80CF0] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0220381701==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92bf9d0448089f15cee3c3c378c3e25d --===============0220381701== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--847541384 --Apple-Mail-2--847541384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I've been following the mailing list, and to me this seems like a good compromise. There should be some discussion included about the potential issues with middleboxes/NATs/firewalls with using UDP-Lite, so the reader will understand the motivation for having the ability to negotiate UDP for the datapath, to increase robustness if UDP-Lite should not work. -David Borman (representative of the Transport Directorate) On Aug 28, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to > run this by the transport ADs and advisors? > > PatC > > From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:25 PM > To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); Rohit Suri (rsuri); capwap > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > I agree with Abhijit's summary of Rohit's proposal. > > Thanks. > > -Puneet. > > From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:13 PM > To: Rohit Suri (rsuri); Puneet Agarwal; capwap > Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > I am okay with Rohit's suggestion of keeping UDP-Lite as > the mandatory transport over IPv6 for the data channel > and adding the ability to negotiate UDP for the datapath > in case middle-boxes are present. For this to work, we > would need UDP to be mandatory for the control channel. > > > This seems like a fine compromise to me. This retains the > performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most deployments, and > allows us to handle deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, and > V4-V6 > translators. > > In summary, we will have UDP as mandatory for the control channel > for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP will be mandatory for the data channel > for IPv4, and for IPv6, UDP-Lite will be mandatory, and UDP optional. > > Thanks, > Abhijit > > > > > From: Rohit Suri (rsuri) > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM > To: Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap > Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > I agree with Puneet. Abhijit correctly pointed out, > "The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on > performance reasons. Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11 > conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions > the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware > would be expensive.However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol > has serious issues related to traversal of NATs,V4-V6 gateways and > firewalls > when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite" > > I think it does not make sense to sacrifice performance just to > handle the > scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways deployed in the future. > Instead, in such network configurations, we should allow the > protocol to negotiate the use of UDP data transport in IPv6 networks. > The default should remain UDP-Lite as that will give most performance > for common network deployments. > > In order to have support for both UDP and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control > should always use UDP and for CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should be > negotiated. This negotiation can be easily completed as part of CAPWAP > config request/response. > > This solution ensures that performance is not compromised > for the majority of deployments where there is no need to > run CAPWAP over NAT, firewalls or V4-V6 gateways by running CAPWAP > data > over UDP-Lite. At the same time, it incorporates the flexibility > to negotiate UDP for the data path, if NATs, firewalls and V4-V6 > translators > are present. > > Regards > Rohit > > From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM > To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > Hi Abhijit, > > UDPLite for IPv6 is a fine compromise (especially when there are no > firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality without the > checksum computation expense. > Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 mandatory. > > Thanks. > > -Puneet > > From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM > To: capwap > Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6 > > At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting > issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6. Specifically, the > issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls > need some serious consideration. > > The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on > performance reasons. Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11 > conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions > the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware > would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol > has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls > when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite. > > This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for > IPv6. We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation > gateways and firewalls present. > > Thoughts/comments ? > > Abhijit > > p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below. > Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in > the > document. > > > ---------------------- PROPOSED TEXT > ---------------------------------- > 3. CAPWAP Transport > > Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according > to the > standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP > as the > transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6. This section > describes how > the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols. > > 3.1. UDP Transport > > One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside > behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. > Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the > well- > known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical > choice. For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be > set to zero. > > CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the > CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4. The CAPWAP > control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA > assigned]. The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port > selected by the WTP. > > CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the > CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4. The CAPWAP data > port > at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. The > CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --Apple-Mail-2--847541384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've been following the mailing list, and to me this seems like a good = compromise. =A0There should be some discussion included about the = potential issues with middleboxes/NATs/firewalls with using UDP-Lite, so = the reader will understand the motivation for having the ability to = negotiate UDP for the datapath, to increase robustness if UDP-Lite = should not work.

-David Borman = (representative of the Transport = Directorate)

On Aug 28, 2007, at 7:00 PM, = Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote:

Any objections before I go = ahead and change the spec? Do we want to run this by the transport ADs = and advisors?
=A0
PatC

=
From: = Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] =
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:25 PM
To: Abhijit = Choudhury (achoudhu); Rohit Suri (rsuri); capwap
Subject: Re: = [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6

I agree with Abhijit's = summary of Rohit's proposal.
=A0
Thanks.
=A0
-Puneet.

=
From: = Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:13 PM
To: Rohit = Suri (rsuri); Puneet Agarwal; capwap
Subject: RE: [Capwap] = CAPWAP transport for IPv6

I = am okay with=A0Rohit's suggestion of=A0keeping UDP-Lite as
the mandatory transport = over IPv6 for the data channel =
and adding the ability to negotiate = UDP for the = datapath
in case middle-boxes are = present.=A0 For this to work, = we
would need UDP to be mandatory for the = control channel.
=A0
=
=A0
=
This seems = like a fine compromise to me.=A0 This = retains the
performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most = deployments, and
allows us to handle = deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, = and V4-V6
translators.
=A0=
In summary, we will have UDP as mandatory = for the control channel
=
for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP will be = mandatory for the data = channel
for IPv4, and for IPv6, UDP-Lite will be = mandatory, and UDP optional. =
=A0=
Thanks,
Abhijit
=A0
=A0
=A0

=
From: Rohit = Suri (rsuri)
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 = PM
To: Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); = capwap
Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for = IPv6

I agree with Puneet. = Abhijit correctly = pointed=A0out,
=
"The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for = IPv6 was based on
performance reasons.=A0 = Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, = and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in = hardware
would be = expensive.However,=A0it seems that = the CAPWAP protocol
has serious issues related to traversal of = NATs,V4-V6 gateways and firewalls =
when= using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite"
=
=A0
=
I think it does not make sense to = sacrifice performance=A0just = to handle=A0the=
scenario = where there may be V4-V6 gateways deployed in the = future.
Instead, in such network = configurations,=A0we should allow the =
protocol to negotiate=A0the=A0use of UDP = =A0data transport in IPv6 networks.
The = default should remain UDP-Lite as = that will give = most performance
for common network = deployments.
=A0
=
In order to have support for both UDP and = UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control=A0
should = always use=A0UDP and for=A0CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should be =
negotiated. = This=A0negotiation can be=A0easily = completed as part of CAPWAP
config request/response.
=
=A0
This=A0solution=A0ensures that performance is not = compromised
=
for=A0the majority of=A0deployments where = there is no need to =
run = CAPWAP over=A0NAT, = firewalls=A0or V4-V6 gateways=A0by running CAPWAP data =
over=A0UDP-Lite.=A0 At the same time, it incorporates the = flexibility
to = negotiate UDP for the data path, if NATs, firewalls=A0and V4-V6 = translators
are = present.
=A0
=
Regards
Rohit

=
From: = Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] =
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM
To: Abhijit = Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP = transport for IPv6

Hi Abhijit,
=A0
UDPLite=A0for IPv6 is=A0a = fine compromise (especially when there are no firewalls between WTP and = AC) for functionality without the checksum computation = expense.
Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 = mandatory.
=A0
Thanks.
=A0
-Puneet

=

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM
To: = capwap
Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for = IPv6

At = the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some = interesting
issues = related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6.=A0 Specifically, = the
issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 = gateways, and firewalls
need some serious = consideration.
=A0
=
The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for = IPv6 was based on
performance reasons.=A0 = Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, = and in our discussions
the = consensus was that requiring checksum computation in = hardware
would = be expensive. However,=A0it seems that the CAPWAP protocol
=
has serious issues related to traversal = of NATs = and firewalls
when = using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite.
=A0
This means that we should make UDP the mandatory = transport for
IPv6.=A0= We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are = translation
gateways and = firewalls present.
=A0
Thoughts/comments = ?
=A0
Abhijit
=A0
p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 = is provided below.
Other minor = changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in = the
document.
=
=A0
=A0
----------------------=A0 PROPOSED TEXT = ----------------------------------
3.=A0 CAPWAP = Transport
=A0
=
=A0=A0 = Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to = the
=A0=A0 standard UDP client/server model.=A0 The CAPWAP protocol = uses UDP as=A0the
=
=A0=A0=A0transport = protocol for both=A0IPv4=A0and IPv6.=A0 This section describes = how
=A0=A0 = the CAPWAP protocol is carried over=A0IP and UDP = protocols.
=A0
3.1.=A0 UDP Transport
=
=A0
=A0=A0=A0One of the CAPWAP protocol = requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
=A0=A0 behind a firewall = and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
=A0=A0 Since a = CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
=A0=A0 = known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
=A0=A0 = choice.=A0=A0For IPv4, the UDP = checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be
=A0=A0=A0set = to=A0zero.
=
=A0
=A0=A0 CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to = the AC use the
=A0=A0 CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section = 1.4.=A0 The CAPWAP
=A0=A0 control port at the AC is the well known = UDP port [to be IANA
=A0=A0 assigned].=A0 The CAPWAP control port at = the WTP can be any port
=A0=A0 selected by the WTP.
=
=A0
=A0=A0 CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the = AC use the
=A0=A0 CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.=A0 = The CAPWAP data port
=A0=A0 at the AC is the well known UDP port [to = be IANA assigned].=A0 The
=A0=A0 CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be = any port selected by the WTP.
<DELETE Section = 3.2>
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= --Apple-Mail-2--847541384-- --===============0220381701== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============0220381701==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 13:52:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgOgY-0002IO-HU for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:52:30 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgOgK-0006uW-1t for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:52:25 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EA14321E3 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298FD4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55A34320CF for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B30F4320AE for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mms1.broadcom.com (mms1.broadcom.com [216.31.210.17]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.64.154] by mms1.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.3.1)); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:43 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 6B5CFB92-F616-4477-B110-55F967A57302 Received: by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix, from userid 47) id 0AD962B0; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (mail-irva-8 [10.10.64.221]) by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083A22B2; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com [10.16.128.215]) by mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id FUG29477; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com (nt-sjca-0751 [10.16.192.221]) by mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5671F20562; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:22:05 -0700 Message-ID: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A410511FA77@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control Thread-Index: AcgGnAb7ecS7zCbFTm2N/lhz4NoykgGV7etw From: "Puneet Agarwal" To: "Margaret Wasserman" , "Margaret Wasserman" X-WSS-ID: 6B116BA43K419385576-04-01 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 20f22c03b5c66958bff5ef54fcda6e48 Hi Margaret, The local MAC mode does allow tunneling 802.3 packets between WTP and AC. Hence I would like to suggest a slight addendum to your comment: "Because there is no congestion control mechanism specified for the CAPWAP data channel, it is recommended that non-congestion-controlled traffic not be tunneled over CAPWAP. When a significant amount of non-congestion-controlled traffic is expected to be present on a WLAN, the CAPWAP connection between the AC and the WTP for that LAN should be configured to remain in Local MAC mode" with Distribution function at the WTP. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:33 AM To: Margaret Wasserman Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control Still commenting as an individual... Actually, I've been thinking some more about this, and I think that we might want to go with the general approach that Abhijit suggested, but be a bit more specific regarding the situation. For example: "Transport Considerations The CAPWAP WG carefully considered the congestion control requirements of the CAPWAP protocol, both for the CAPWAP control and data channels. CAPWAP specifies a single-threaded command/response protocol to be used on the control channel, and we have specified that an exponential back-off algorithm should be used when commands are retransmitted. When CAPWAP runs in its default mode (Local MAC), the control channel is the only CAPWAP channel. However, CAPWAP can also be run in Split MAC mode, in which case there will be a DTLS-encrypted data channel between each WTP and the AC. The WG discussed various options for providing congestion control on this channel. However, due to performance problems with TCP when it is run over another congestion control mechanism and the fact that the vast majority of traffic run over the CAPWAP data channel is likely to be congestion-controlled IP traffic, the CAPWAP WG felt that specifying a congestion control mechanism for the CAPWAP data channel would be more likely to cause problems than to resolve any. Because there is no congestion control mechanism specified for the CAPWAP data channel, it is recommended that non-congestion-controlled traffic not be tunneled over CAPWAP. When a significant amount of non-congestion-controlled traffic is expected to be present on a WLAN, the CAPWAP connection between the AC and the WTP for that LAN should be configured to remain in Local MAC mode." What do folks think? Dave Borman, could you comment on whether this decision will be acceptable to the Transport ADs? Margaret On Oct 3, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > > > Personally, I thought we reached a different conclusion from the > discussion in Chicago. I thought that we were going to specify a > mandatory to implement congestion control mechanism that could be > turned off when administrators know that the traffic on their network > will be IP-only and/or when they know that all of the traffic on their > network is generated by systems that implement some type of congestion > control. > > Margaret > > > > On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > >> Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to >> run this by the transport ADs and advisors? >> >> PatC >> >> From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:45 PM >> To: capwap >> Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control >> >> Another issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that congestion >> control needs to be considered for CAPWAP. >> The concern was that in case of congestion in the network, packets >> could get discarded and the sources may not be notified or may not >> realize it. This could lead to congestion collapse and fairness >> issues. >> >> In reality, almost all data traffic being tunneled over CAPWAP is IP. >> Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is between the WTP and AC only. TCP >> already has its own congestion control mechanism between the source >> and the sink, and I'd argue that creating another congestion control >> loop in the path would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop >> and lead to undesirable effects. >> >> I'd suggest we add a Transport Considerations section to the CAPWAP >> spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be sent over the Internet >> when using CAPWPAP. >> Some proposed text is provided below. >> >> Thoughts/comments ? >> >> Thanks, >> Abhijit >> >> -------------PROPOSED TEXT --------------- >> >> Transport Considerations >> >> The CAPWAP protocol does not provide a congestion control mechanism. >> The underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is >> IP. Since it is essentially a tunneling protocol between two >> intermediate points in the path between the wireless client and the >> end host, it was felt that having a separate congestion control for >> CAPWAP would actually interfere with the congestion control >> mechanisms already in place. >> >> In order to prevent congestion collapse and fairness issues from >> happening in the Internet, it is recommended that non-IP traffic not >> be tunneled over CAPWAP. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 14:32:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPJN-0006hH-6H for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:32:37 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPJG-000831-Lq for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:32:37 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4E03228495 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE4B4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75085322810D for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5DE32280E4 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:31:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,267,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="406009971" Received: from sj-dkim-7.cisco.com ([171.68.10.88]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 11:31:47 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-7.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CIVlVr021044 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:31:47 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CIVklF012215 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:31:47 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:31:46 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:31:49 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C916F@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Issue 5: Proposed text for Benefits of Using UDP-Lite? Thread-Index: AcgM/iajvo6pMyQKSr2dCX/rO1yQiw== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 18:31:46.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[255D30F0:01C80CFE] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-7; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim7002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue 5: Proposed text for Benefits of Using UDP-Lite? X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 926f893f9bbbfa169f045f85f0cdb955 All, Please find the proposed text for the IPv6/UDP-Lite issue below. 3. CAPWAP Transport Communication between a WTP and an AC is established using the standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol supports both UDP and UDP-Lite [11] transport protocols. When run over IPv4, UDP is used for the CAPWAP control and data channels. When run over IPv6, the CAPWAP control channel always uses UDP, while the CAPWAP data channel may use either UDP or UDP-Lite. UDP-Lite is the default transport protocol for the CAPWAP data channel. However, if a middlebox or IPv4 to IPv6 gateway has been discovered, UDP is used for the CAPWAP data channel. This section describes how the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP/UDP-Lite transport protocols. The CAPWAP Transport Protocol message element Section 4.6.12 describes the rules to use in determing which transport protocol is to be used. 3.1. UDP Transport One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside behind a middlebox, firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical choice. The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to zero. CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4. The CAPWAP control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4. The CAPWAP data port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. The CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP. 3.2. UDP-Lite Transport When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, UDP-Lite is the default transport protocol, which reduces the checksum processing required for each packet (compared to the use of UDP over IPv6 [13]). When UDP-Lite is used, the checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 [11]. UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments as UDP. [...] 4.6. CAPWAP Protocol Message Elements [...] CAPWAP Message Element Type Value [...] CAPWAP Transport Protocol TBD CAPWAP Local IPV4 Address TBD CAPWAP Local IPV6 Address TBD [...] 4.6.12. CAPWAP Transport Protocol When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite or UDP transports MAY be used (see Section 3). The CAPWAP IPv6 Transport Protocol message element is used by either the WTP or the AC to signal which transport protocol is to be used for the CAPWAP data channel. Upon receiving the Join Request, the AC MAY set the CAPWAP Transport Protocol to UDP-Lite in the Configuration Status Request or Image Data Request message if the CAPWAP message was received over IPv6, and the CAPWAP Local IPv6 Address message element (see Section 4.6.14) is present and the address matches the packet's source IP address. Upon receiving the Configuration Status Request or Image Data Request message, the WTP MAY set the CAPWAP Transport Protocol to UDP-Lite in the Configuration Status Response or Image Data Response message if the message was received over IPv6, and the CAPWAP Local IPv6 Address message element (see Section 4.6.14) is present and the address matches the packet's source IP address. For any other condition, the CAPWAP Transport Protocol MUST be set to UDP. 0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Transport | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: TBD for CAPWAP Transport Protocol Length: 1 Transport: The transport to use for the CAPWAP data channel. 1 - UDP-Lite The UDP-Lite transport protocol is to be used for the CAPWAP data channel. Note that this option is illegal is either the WTP or the AC uses IPv4. 2 - UDP The UDP transport protocol is to be used for the CAPWAP data channel. 4.6.13. CAPWAP Local IPv4 Address The CAPWAP Local IPv4 Address message element is sent by either the WTP or the AC in the Join Request, Configuration Status Request or Image Data Request message in order to communicate the IP Address of the transmitter. The receiver uses this to determine whether a middlebox exists between the two peers, by comparing the source IP address of the packet against the value of the message element. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: TBD for CAPWAP Local IPv4 Address Length: 4 IP Address: The IP Address of the sender. 4.6.14. CAPWAP Local IPv6 Address The CAPWAP Local IPv6 Address message element is sent by either the WTP or the AC in the Discovery Response or Join Request in order to communicate the IP Address of the transmitter. The receiver uses this to determine whether a middlebox exists between the two peers, by comparing the source IP address of the packet against the value of the message element. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: TBD for CAPWAP Local IPv6 Address Length: 16 IP Address: The IP Address of the sender. [...] 11. NAT Considerations There are three specific situations in which a NAT deployment may be used in conjunction with a CAPWAP-enabled deployment. The first consists of a configuration in which a single WTP is behind a NAT system. Since all communication is initiated by the WTP, and all communication is performed over IP using two UDP ports, the protocol easily traverses NAT systems in this configuration. In the second case, two or more WTPs are deployed behind the same NAT system. Here, the AC would receive multiple connection requests from the same IP address, and cannot differentiate the originating WTP of the connection requests. The CAPWAP Data Check state, which establishes the data plane connection and communicates the Data Keepalive, includes the Session Identifier message element, which is used to bind the control and data plane. Use of the Session Identifier message element enables the AC to match the control and data plane flows from multiple WTPs behind the same NAT system (multiple WTPs sharing the same IP address). In the third configuration, the AC is deployed behind a NAT. Two issues exist in this situation. First, an AC communicates its interfaces and corresponding WTP load using the CAPWAP Control IPv4 Address and CAPWAP Control IPv6 Address message elements. This message element is mandatory, but contains invalid information if a middlebox is present between the AC and WTP. The WTP MUST NOT utilize the information in these message elements if it detects a NAT (as described in the CAPWAP Transport Protocol message element). Note this would disable the load balancing capabilities of the CAPWAP protocol. Alternatively, the AC could have a configured NAT'ed address, which it would include in either of the two control address message elements. The CAPWAP protocol allows for all of the AC identities supporting a group of WTPs to be communicated through the AC List message element. This feature MUST be ignored by the WTP when it detects the AC is behind a middlebox. The CAPWAP protocol allows an AC to configure a static IP address on a WTP using the WTP Static IP Address Information message element. This message element SHOULD NOT be used in NAT'ed environments, unless the administrator is familiar with the internal IP addressing scheme within the WTP's private network, and does not rely on the public address seen by the AC. When a WTP detects the duplicate address condition, it generates a message to the AC, which includes the Duplicate IP Address message element. The IP Address embedded within this message element is different from the public IP address seen by the AC. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 14:37:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPNw-0004xa-Ph for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:37:20 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPNv-0008EA-FP for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:37:20 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B7B32281F9 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0664A4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8296632281B0 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A133228130 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,267,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="11933845" Received: from sj-dkim-6.cisco.com ([171.68.10.81]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 11:36:56 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-6.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CIauKP021858 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:36:56 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CIaWlj017496 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:36:56 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:36:54 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:36:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C917C@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Issue 4: Potential Middlebox Issues Thread-Index: AcgM/t6mg9hivQCISDitl/j1ajLNaQ== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 18:36:54.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD05F200:01C80CFE] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-6; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim6002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue 4: Potential Middlebox Issues X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 I believe this issue is already addressed through the resolution of issue 5. I would therefore propose that it be marked as closed if folks agree that the middlebox issue is related to the use of UDP-Lite, and that we have now provided a negotiable mechanism to use UDP when a middlebox is present. PatC _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 14:41:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPRq-0001Zk-Bo for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:41:22 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPRp-0008Mc-1R for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:41:22 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9635832281DC for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187CC4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0BE43129A for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730AD430C7D for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:41:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:41:01 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,267,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="23028631" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 11:40:56 -0700 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CIeuAv019582 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:40:56 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CIebaP005482 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:40:56 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:40:54 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:40:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C9185@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Issue 3: MTU Discovery Requirement Thread-Index: AcgM/21+uWA9LjhnRjm4r4N2keAwOg== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 18:40:54.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BC89380:01C80CFF] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue 3: MTU Discovery Requirement X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de This issue argues that CAPWAP needs to adopt an MTU discovery mechanism, similar to that described in RFC 4821. Is it not acceptable to include text that simply states that MTU discovery must be performed using ICMP? PatC _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 14:47:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPXS-0006GA-CK for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:47:10 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPXQ-000050-UA for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:47:10 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090AD32281DA for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7DA4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E5432281A0 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324D332280D3 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:46:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:46:37 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,267,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="11934490" Received: from sj-dkim-6.cisco.com ([171.68.10.81]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 11:46:37 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-6.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CIkbTD028071; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:46:37 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CIkSlT028832; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:46:37 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:46:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C918F@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A410511FA77@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control Thread-Index: AcgGnAb7ecS7zCbFTm2N/lhz4NoykgGV7etwAAMcFTA= From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Puneet Agarwal" , "Margaret Wasserman" , "Margaret Wasserman" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 18:46:33.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[35C170D0:01C80D00] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-6; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim6002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ded6070f7eed56e10c4f4d0d5043d9c7 Issue 18 is created to track this, and I am ok with the proposed changes. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:22 AM To: Margaret Wasserman; Margaret Wasserman Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control Hi Margaret, The local MAC mode does allow tunneling 802.3 packets between WTP and AC. Hence I would like to suggest a slight addendum to your comment: "Because there is no congestion control mechanism specified for the CAPWAP data channel, it is recommended that non-congestion-controlled traffic not be tunneled over CAPWAP. When a significant amount of non-congestion-controlled traffic is expected to be present on a WLAN, the CAPWAP connection between the AC and the WTP for that LAN should be configured to remain in Local MAC mode" with Distribution function at the WTP. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:33 AM To: Margaret Wasserman Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control Still commenting as an individual... Actually, I've been thinking some more about this, and I think that we might want to go with the general approach that Abhijit suggested, but be a bit more specific regarding the situation. For example: "Transport Considerations The CAPWAP WG carefully considered the congestion control requirements of the CAPWAP protocol, both for the CAPWAP control and data channels. CAPWAP specifies a single-threaded command/response protocol to be used on the control channel, and we have specified that an exponential back-off algorithm should be used when commands are retransmitted. When CAPWAP runs in its default mode (Local MAC), the control channel is the only CAPWAP channel. However, CAPWAP can also be run in Split MAC mode, in which case there will be a DTLS-encrypted data channel between each WTP and the AC. The WG discussed various options for providing congestion control on this channel. However, due to performance problems with TCP when it is run over another congestion control mechanism and the fact that the vast majority of traffic run over the CAPWAP data channel is likely to be congestion-controlled IP traffic, the CAPWAP WG felt that specifying a congestion control mechanism for the CAPWAP data channel would be more likely to cause problems than to resolve any. Because there is no congestion control mechanism specified for the CAPWAP data channel, it is recommended that non-congestion-controlled traffic not be tunneled over CAPWAP. When a significant amount of non-congestion-controlled traffic is expected to be present on a WLAN, the CAPWAP connection between the AC and the WTP for that LAN should be configured to remain in Local MAC mode." What do folks think? Dave Borman, could you comment on whether this decision will be acceptable to the Transport ADs? Margaret On Oct 3, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > > > Personally, I thought we reached a different conclusion from the > discussion in Chicago. I thought that we were going to specify a > mandatory to implement congestion control mechanism that could be > turned off when administrators know that the traffic on their network > will be IP-only and/or when they know that all of the traffic on their > network is generated by systems that implement some type of congestion > control. > > Margaret > > > > On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > >> Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to >> run this by the transport ADs and advisors? >> >> PatC >> >> From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:45 PM >> To: capwap >> Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control >> >> Another issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that congestion >> control needs to be considered for CAPWAP. >> The concern was that in case of congestion in the network, packets >> could get discarded and the sources may not be notified or may not >> realize it. This could lead to congestion collapse and fairness >> issues. >> >> In reality, almost all data traffic being tunneled over CAPWAP is IP. >> Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is between the WTP and AC only. TCP >> already has its own congestion control mechanism between the source >> and the sink, and I'd argue that creating another congestion control >> loop in the path would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop >> and lead to undesirable effects. >> >> I'd suggest we add a Transport Considerations section to the CAPWAP >> spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be sent over the Internet >> when using CAPWPAP. >> Some proposed text is provided below. >> >> Thoughts/comments ? >> >> Thanks, >> Abhijit >> >> -------------PROPOSED TEXT --------------- >> >> Transport Considerations >> >> The CAPWAP protocol does not provide a congestion control mechanism. >> The underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is >> IP. Since it is essentially a tunneling protocol between two >> intermediate points in the path between the wireless client and the >> end host, it was felt that having a separate congestion control for >> CAPWAP would actually interfere with the congestion control >> mechanisms already in place. >> >> In order to prevent congestion collapse and fairness issues from >> happening in the Internet, it is recommended that non-IP traffic not >> be tunneled over CAPWAP. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 14:48:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPYK-0007IK-1U for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:48:04 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgPYI-000061-Kn for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:48:04 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE5F32281F9 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D1A4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D703228130 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78A932280D3 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:47:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted after greylist delay (Sender first seen 9 mons 1 day 04:31:56 ago / dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.128.97.133] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.6]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPSA id 2333855; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:47:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A410511FA77@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A410511FA77@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:47:41 -0400 To: Puneet Agarwal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2bf730a014b318fd3efd65b39b48818c Makes sense to me. Margaret On Oct 12, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Puneet Agarwal wrote: > Hi Margaret, > > The local MAC mode does allow tunneling 802.3 packets between WTP and > AC. Hence I would like to suggest a slight addendum to your comment: > > "Because there is no congestion control mechanism specified for the > CAPWAP data channel, it is recommended that non-congestion-controlled > traffic not be tunneled over CAPWAP. When a significant amount of > non-congestion-controlled traffic is expected to be present on a WLAN, > the CAPWAP connection between the AC and the WTP for that LAN > should be > configured to remain in Local MAC mode" > with Distribution function at the WTP. added > text end> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:33 AM > To: Margaret Wasserman > Cc: capwap > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control > > > > > Still commenting as an individual... > > Actually, I've been thinking some more about this, and I think that we > might want to go with the general approach that Abhijit suggested, but > be a bit more specific regarding the situation. > > For example: > > "Transport Considerations > > The CAPWAP WG carefully considered the congestion control requirements > of the CAPWAP protocol, both for the CAPWAP control and data channels. > > CAPWAP specifies a single-threaded command/response protocol to be > used > on the control channel, and we have specified that an exponential > back-off algorithm should be used when commands are retransmitted. > When > CAPWAP runs in its default mode (Local MAC), the control channel is > the > only CAPWAP channel. > > However, CAPWAP can also be run in Split MAC mode, in which case there > will be a DTLS-encrypted data channel between each WTP and the AC. > The > WG discussed various options for providing congestion control on this > channel. However, due to performance problems with TCP when it is run > over another congestion control mechanism and the fact that the vast > majority of traffic run over the CAPWAP data channel is likely to be > congestion-controlled IP traffic, the CAPWAP WG felt that specifying a > congestion control mechanism for the CAPWAP data channel would be more > likely to cause problems than to resolve any. > > Because there is no congestion control mechanism specified for the > CAPWAP data channel, it is recommended that non-congestion-controlled > traffic not be tunneled over CAPWAP. When a significant amount of > non-congestion-controlled traffic is expected to be present on a WLAN, > the CAPWAP connection between the AC and the WTP for that LAN > should be > configured to remain in Local MAC mode." > > What do folks think? > > Dave Borman, could you comment on whether this decision will be > acceptable to the Transport ADs? > > Margaret > > > > > On Oct 3, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > >> >> >> >> Personally, I thought we reached a different conclusion from the >> discussion in Chicago. I thought that we were going to specify a >> mandatory to implement congestion control mechanism that could be >> turned off when administrators know that the traffic on their network >> will be IP-only and/or when they know that all of the traffic on >> their > >> network is generated by systems that implement some type of >> congestion > >> control. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> >> On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: >> >>> Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to >>> run this by the transport ADs and advisors? >>> >>> PatC >>> >>> From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:45 PM >>> To: capwap >>> Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control >>> >>> Another issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that congestion >>> control needs to be considered for CAPWAP. >>> The concern was that in case of congestion in the network, packets >>> could get discarded and the sources may not be notified or may not >>> realize it. This could lead to congestion collapse and fairness >>> issues. >>> >>> In reality, almost all data traffic being tunneled over CAPWAP is >>> IP. > >>> Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is between the WTP and AC only. TCP >>> already has its own congestion control mechanism between the source >>> and the sink, and I'd argue that creating another congestion control >>> loop in the path would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop >>> and lead to undesirable effects. >>> >>> I'd suggest we add a Transport Considerations section to the CAPWAP >>> spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be sent over the Internet >>> when using CAPWPAP. >>> Some proposed text is provided below. >>> >>> Thoughts/comments ? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Abhijit >>> >>> -------------PROPOSED TEXT --------------- >>> >>> Transport Considerations >>> >>> The CAPWAP protocol does not provide a congestion control mechanism. >>> The underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is >>> IP. Since it is essentially a tunneling protocol between two >>> intermediate points in the path between the wireless client and the >>> end host, it was felt that having a separate congestion control for >>> CAPWAP would actually interfere with the congestion control >>> mechanisms already in place. >>> >>> In order to prevent congestion collapse and fairness issues from >>> happening in the Internet, it is recommended that non-IP traffic not >>> be tunneled over CAPWAP. >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >>> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 15:54:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgQaJ-00088i-32 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; 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Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:28 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,268,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="23054286" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 12:53:21 -0700 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CJrLIZ029894 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:21 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CJr8mX019862 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:53:21 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:19 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:22 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C91E6@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C9074@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Image file size ambiguity Thread-Index: AcgGARBp2Pjfr5NhSTq1Lza5rJvr9gAxINPQAV/BAoAAKSiOsAAIECyA From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Bob O'Hara (boohara)" , "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 19:53:19.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[89AF4150:01C80D09] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] Image file size ambiguity X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Proposed text below: 4.6.29. Image Information The Image Information message element is present in the Image Data Response message sent by the AC to the WTP and contains the following fields. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | File Size | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Hash | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Hash | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Hash | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Hash | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 26 for Image Information Length: 18 File Size: A 32-bit value containing the size of the file, in bytes, that will be transfered by the AC to the WTP. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:02 AM To: Bob O'Hara (boohara); capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] Image file size ambiguity Issue 17 created PatC -----Original Message----- From: Bob O'Hara (boohara) Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:25 PM To: capwap Cc: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Subject: Image file size ambiguity In 4.6.26 of draft-07, there is a File Size field that is 16 bits in length. It is not clear what this value represents. Is it in bytes? If so, it is not large enough. Is it in 1024-byte blocks? This should be made clear in the spec. -Bob Bob O'Hara Cisco Systems - WNBU Phone: +1 408 853 5513 Mobile: +1 408 218 4025 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 16:30:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgR9R-0002iZ-RC for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:30:29 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgR9L-0003r3-HS for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:30:29 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CCD432F48 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE764A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708323228207 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B804132281DB for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:29:53 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,268,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="406055094" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 13:29:53 -0700 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CKTrxo031365 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:29:53 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CKTrmB022837 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:29:53 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:29:50 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:29:53 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C921F@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Issue with Image Data to Reset Thread-Index: AcgNDqV87JkfECKhQRGyMuUj41fa7w== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 20:29:51.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3F9A7D0:01C80D0E] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue with Image Data to Reset X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 All, The current text states that the AC can transition from the Image Data to Reset, but this is a problem since the last image data response sent by the AC may not have been received by the WTP, and therefore the Image Data Request may need to be retransmitted. There are really only two alternatives to this situation: 1. Let the WTP reset, but require that the AC set the NeighborDead timer and wait for expiration before the WTP is marked dead, or 2. Create a uni-directional message from the WTP to the AC to indicate that the download is complete, at which time the AC would set the WTP to dead. This is not very reliable, because the message would not be retransmitted, and therefore a timer would be necessary anyhow. My preference is to go with option 1. Any objections? Issue 19 created to track this issue. PatC _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 16:32:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgRBN-0006hy-2I for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:32:29 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgRB7-00042Q-SF for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:32:28 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C344327C9 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA694A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332EE322816D for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B344032280B0 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,268,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="406055922" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 13:32:04 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CKW4Ol002256 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:32:04 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CKVtxH010004 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:32:04 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:31:55 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:31:58 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C9221@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Use of NeighborDead timer with Echo Thread-Index: AcgNDu+on3+kyT6OQCekRGbayOG4Dg== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 20:31:55.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE0AAF40:01C80D0E] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Use of NeighborDead timer with Echo X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 All, The current text reads that when an Echo request is transmitted, the NeighborDead timer is set. This doesn't seem to make sense, since the Echo Request would be retransmitted just as any other control message. So it seems like we should rely on the existing retransmission mechanisms built into the control protocol and not require another timer. Objections? Issue 20 created to track. PatC _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 16:39:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgRIO-0006zL-HC for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:39:44 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgRII-0004Lh-5O for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:39:44 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A760C3228453 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D66D4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E931A322816D for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hgblob.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5348032281C5 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,268,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="534522866" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 13:39:15 -0700 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CKdEQv013257 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:39:14 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CKdEsZ026426 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:39:14 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:39:14 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:39:17 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C922B@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: CAPWAP Session Establishment Overview is incomplete Thread-Index: AcgND/WLf6EwS7zOTDer/VrKRED7VQ== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 20:39:14.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3C69F10:01C80D0F] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hgblob X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP Session Establishment Overview is incomplete X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e All, The message example provided in section 2.2 is incomplete as it does not include the Change State Event Request/Response. I have created issue 21. 2.2. 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header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue 6: Handling of multiple priority streams over DTLS in datapath X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c I believe this issue is marked as a bug by error. If memory serves, we had decided that this issue would not be addressed in the first version of the spec, but we would instead look into it again once we gained additional operational experience. I would propose we mark this bug as a feature. Thoughts? PatC _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Oct 12 17:18:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgRuI-00019r-PX for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:18:54 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgRuB-0005MX-BD for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:18:54 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06F843319A for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10CE4A4032 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70C3433127 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1F343315E for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 1 (Low); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:18:31 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,268,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="534543509" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 14:18:28 -0700 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9CLIRpT000998 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:18:27 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l9CLIImF010601 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:18:27 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:18:20 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:18:23 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2048C9279@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Inconsistent state tracking on AC prior to DTLS Establishment Thread-Index: AcgNFWuhFGJCpLuhRr2lP8QQKakIfQ== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 21:18:20.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[69EEA160:01C80D15] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Inconsistent state tracking on AC prior to DTLS Establishment X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 All, In order to avoid exposing the AC to DoS attacks, the CAPWAP specific states that the AC may maintain state prior to the establishment of the DTLS session. See text below: Discovery to DTLS Setup (f): This transition occurs to establish a secure DTLS session with the peer. [...] AC: The AC initiates this transition by invoking the DTLSListen command (see Section 2.3.2.1), which informs the DTLS stack that it is willing to listen for an incoming session. The AC MAY have maintained state information when it received the Discovery Request message to provide optional qualifiers in the DTLSListen command to only accept session requests from a specific WTP. Note that maintaining state information based on an unsecured Discovery Request message MAY lead to a Denial of Service attack. Therefore the AC SHOULD ensure that the state information is freed after a period, which is implementation specific. This means that implementations may not maintain any state until the secure channel is setup. However, there are three state transitions, namely Idle to Sulking, DTLS Setup to Idle and Sulking to Sulking that include specific guidance on AC behavior that necessitates that state be maintained at this point. This inconsistency needs to be resolve, so I would propose that for the three state transitions, text along the lines of "If WTP state is being maintained at this point on the AC, ..." (where ... is replaced with the appropriate action to take. Thoughts? 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In September, a judge order= ed Spears, 25, to submit to random drug tests after finding she engaged i= n "habitual, frequent, and continuous use of controlled substances and al= cohol."

Former prime minister Yulia= Tymoshenko (left) has received support from Ukranian President Yushchenk= o

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