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----32jwvCjxGSaHPAQoU-- From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Thu Jun 2 11:38:00 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27041 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j52FSAAN000310; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j52FSAhU000309; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts43.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.110]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j52FS9Nx000300 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sroberts@uniserve.com) Received: from ensemble.local ([64.229.203.63]) by tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050602152806.RBLC2981.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@ensemble.local> for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:28:06 -0400 Received: by ensemble.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id F307C44D721; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:27:30 -0400 From: Sam Roberts To: Reinhold Kainhofer Cc: "ietf-calendar@imc.org" Subject: Re: Questions regarding recurrence rules Message-ID: <20050602152730.GA520@ensemble.local> References: <200505311559.15124.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200505311559.15124.reinhold@kainhofer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Quoting reinhold@kainhofer.com, on Tue, May 31, 2005 at 03:59:12PM +0200: > Hi Guys, > I have few questions regarding details of recurrence rules of rfc 2445. (Sorry > if I may sound more clueless than I really am. I have my assumptions, but I > don't want to influence any answers by bringing too much of my own arguments > and thoughts). > 1) About the BYDAY rule part: Let's start with some examples > RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=3SU > Okay, that's the third sunday of the year. But what exactly is > RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=5SU;BYMONTH=2 > Is this the fith sunday in the year, if it is also in february? Yes. Each BYDAY value can also be preceded by a positive (+n) or negative (-n) integer. If present, this indicates the nth occurrence of the specific day within the MONTHLY or YEARLY RRULE. For example, within a MONTHLY rule, +1MO (or simply 1MO) represents the first Monday within the month, whereas -1MO represents the last Monday of the month. If an integer modifier is not present, it means all days of this type within the specified frequency. For example, within a MONTHLY rule, MO represents all Mondays within the month. Whether it is an offset within a month or year depends on the FREQ, not on the presence of any other modifiers. This might be a common mistake, Apple's iCal does this wrong, I've found. RFC2445bis should add an example for this since its an area of confusion. > Or is it the fifth sunday in february? And it can be even less clear No. > from rfc 2445. What is > RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=5SU;BYMONTH=2,7 > Is this the fifth sunday of the year, if it's in either February or July? Yes. > Or is it the fifth sunday of both february and July? No. That would be: RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;BYDAY=5SU;BYMONTH=2,7 > Or is it the fifth sunday of febrary and july together (i.e. in feb if the feb > in a leap year has 5 sundays, or the first sunday of july in all other > years)? No way! > If you think it's the latter, think about the following rule: > RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYWEEKNO=4;BYDAY=5SU > Is it the fifth sunday of all sundays that are in week #4? Madness... > Or is it the fifth sunday of the year if it is also in week #4? Yes. > Also, what does this rule mean: > RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=2SU;BYYEARDAY=72 3rd month, and 2nd sunday in the year, and 72nd day in a year --> this won't ever occur, of course. > I suppose it doesn't mean the 72th day of the year, if that's the 2nd sunday > in March. Is there any way to express that recurrence in an RRULE? How about: RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=2SU;BYYEARDAY=72 > Also notice that rfc 2445 says "For example, within > a MONTHLY rule, +1MO (or simply 1MO) represents the first Monday > within the month, whereas -1MO represents the last Monday of the > month. ". So what does > RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;BYYEARDAY=57,64;BYDAY=-1MO Every month, the days that are the 57th&65th of the year (if in that month), and that are on the last monday of the month. > mean? The last monday of each month if it's also day #57 or #64 of the year > (which the quote implies), or the last monday each month in the set of all > days #57 and #64 of the year. In particular, in 2007, would the recurrence > set be Feb 27 (=#57 of the year, and the last monday in february) without any > occurence in march (march 5 is day #64, but it's not the last monday in the > month, since rfc 2445 says -1MO means last monday of the month)? Or would it > be Feb 27 (day #57 of the year, and last monday of all dates that match the > BYYEARDAY in the february interval) and March 4 ( day #64 of the year and > last monday of all dates in March that match the BYYEARDAY). > > > > 2) In Section 4.3.10 RFC 2445 says "The COUNT rule part defines the number of > occurrences at which to range-bound the recurrence. The "DTSTART" property > value, if specified, counts as the first occurrence.". So look at this rrule: > DTSTART;TZID=whatever:20050530T120000 > RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;COUNT=3;BYMONTH=6 I'm sorry, I can't find where it says it right now to quote, but I have the very distinct memory that RFC2445 says that the DTSTART property MUST specify a time that is valid according to the RRULE. So, the above combination of DTSTART and RRULE is invalid, it doesn't mean anything. One of the problem with the way the iCalendar series of RFCs are laid out is they tend to describe each small part in isolation, but the parts have complex interactions, and where these are described is semi-random and hard to find. > 3) About the DTSTART and recurrence rules: Is the DTSTART always taken to > match the rule (even if it doesn't fulfil the BY* parts)? In particular this > is important for EXRULES: Is the DTSTART always the first occurence of the > EXRULE? If that's the case, the DTSTART will always be excluded as soon as at > least one EXRULE is present. > And since exceptions overrule inclusions, there's no way to have an occurence > on the DTSTART in that case... Is this really the intended behaviour? I haven't implemented EXRULE (or ever seen one), but your argument that the DTSTART will always be excluded looks right to me. That sounds like it would be a problem, but section 4.8.5.2 says this: The "EXRULE" property can be used to exclude the value specified in ^^^ "DTSTART". However, in such cases the original "DTSTART" date MUST still be maintained by the calendaring and scheduling system because the original "DTSTART" value has inherent usage dependencies by other properties such as the "RECURRENCE-ID". They say "can", maybe should say "would always" :-) It appears to me that DTSTART is made an exception, then, and must be kept. So, don't make events whose alleged "start" is excluded from the set of events. This actually seems reasonable, why not just start the event when it actually starts? Cheers, Sam From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Thu Jun 2 13:23:12 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08567 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j52HEbto010438; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j52HEbt3010437; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:14:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.99]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j52HEZe3010419 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reinhold@kainhofer.com) Received: from curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at (reinhold@curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.116]) by doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j52HEW9Q001286; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:14:34 +0200 From: Reinhold Kainhofer Organization: FAM, Vienna University of Technology To: Sam Roberts Subject: Re: Questions regarding recurrence rules Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:14:26 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 Cc: "ietf-calendar@imc.org" References: <200505311559.15124.reinhold@kainhofer.com> <20050602152730.GA520@ensemble.local> In-Reply-To: <20050602152730.GA520@ensemble.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1729649.f21ChoJ7gZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200506021914.31551.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --nextPart1729649.f21ChoJ7gZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday 02 June 2005 17:27, Sam Roberts wrote: > Quoting reinhold@kainhofer.com, on Tue, May 31, 2005 at 03:59:12PM +0200: > > Hi Guys, > > 1) About the BYDAY rule part: Let's start with some examples > > RRULE:FREQ=3DYEARLY;BYDAY=3D3SU > > Okay, that's the third sunday of the year. But what exactly is > > RRULE:FREQ=3DYEARLY;BYDAY=3D5SU;BYMONTH=3D2 > > Is this the fith sunday in the year, if it is also in february? > > Yes. > > Each BYDAY value can also be preceded by a positive (+n) or negative > (-n) integer. If present, this indicates the nth occurrence of the > specific day within the MONTHLY or YEARLY RRULE. For example, within > a MONTHLY rule, +1MO (or simply 1MO) represents the first Monday > within the month, whereas -1MO represents the last Monday of the > month. If an integer modifier is not present, it means all days of > this type within the specified frequency. For example, within a > MONTHLY rule, MO represents all Mondays within the month. > > Whether it is an offset within a month or year depends on the FREQ, not on > the presence of any other modifiers.=20 At first I thought so, too. But then, there are two reasons which seem to=20 contradict this: 1) The RFC speaks of "within the MONTLY or YEARLY RRULE" (notice that they= =20 don't say "within the frequency", like they do four lines below). So I=20 wondered if this might be the only place where it's relevant in which order= =20 the BY* parts are evaluated. 2) All VTIMEZONEs (at least those used by Exchange, Apple's iCal, and by=20 libical and so by evolution, korganizer etc.) use=20 RRULE:FREQ=3DYEARLY;BYMONTH=3D10;BYDAY=3D-1SU > RFC2445bis should add an example for this since its an area of confusion. Definitely. > > from rfc 2445. What is > > RRULE:FREQ=3DYEARLY;BYDAY=3D5SU;BYMONTH=3D2,7 > > Is this the fifth sunday of the year, if it's in either February or Jul= y? > > Or is it the fifth sunday of febrary and july together (i.e. in feb if > > the feb in a leap year has 5 sundays, or the first sunday of july in all > > other years)? > > No way! Actually, if the RFC really meant "within the RRULE", when that would be th= e=20 correct interpretation. That's why I ask. > > Also notice that rfc 2445 says "For example, within > > a MONTHLY rule, +1MO (or simply 1MO) represents the first Monday > > within the month, whereas -1MO represents the last Monday of the > > month. ". So what does > > RRULE:FREQ=3DMONTHLY;BYYEARDAY=3D57,64;BYDAY=3D-1MO > > Every month, the days that are the 57th&65th of the year (if in that > month), and that are on the last monday of the month. Depends. If you follow the RFC with the interpretation of "within the RRULE= ",=20 you'll get: In each month, that days that are days 57 or 64 of the year. Within this rr= ule=20 (=3Dwithin these days that match the rule so far), the last monday would be= Feb=20 27, 2007, and March 5, 2007.... > > mean? The last monday of each month if it's also day #57 or #64 of the > > year (which the quote implies), or the last monday each month in the set > > of all days #57 and #64 of the year. In particular, in 2007, would the > > recurrence set be Feb 27 (=3D#57 of the year, and the last monday in > > february) without any occurence in march (march 5 is day #64, but it's > > not the last monday in the month, since rfc 2445 says -1MO means last > > monday of the month)? Or would it be Feb 27 (day #57 of the year, and > > last monday of all dates that match the BYYEARDAY in the february > > interval) and March 4 ( day #64 of the year and last monday of all dates > > in March that match the BYYEARDAY). > > 2) In Section 4.3.10 RFC 2445 says "The COUNT rule part defines the > > number of occurrences at which to range-bound the recurrence. The > > "DTSTART" property value, if specified, counts as the first occurrence.= ". > > So look at this rrule: DTSTART;TZID=3Dwhatever:20050530T120000 > > RRULE:FREQ=3DWEEKLY;COUNT=3D3;BYMONTH=3D6 > > I'm sorry, I can't find where it says it right now to quote, but I have t= he > very distinct memory that RFC2445 says that the DTSTART property MUST > specify a time that is valid according to the RRULE. No, definitely not. E.g. even look at the examples given in RFC 2445. It=20 explicitly gives an example where the DTSTART does NOT match the RRULE: Every other week on Monday, Wednesday and Friday until December 24, 1997, but starting on Tuesday, September 2, 1997: DTSTART;TZID=3DUS-Eastern:19970902T090000 RRULE:FREQ=3DWEEKLY;INTERVAL=3D2;UNTIL=3D19971224T000000Z;WKST=3DSU; BYDAY=3DMO,WE,FR =3D=3D> (1997 9:00 AM EDT)September 2,3,5,15,17,19,29;October 1,3,13,15,17 (1997 9:00 AM EST)October 27,29,31;November 10,12,14,24,26,28; December 8,10,12,22 > > 3) About the DTSTART and recurrence rules: Is the DTSTART always taken = to > > match the rule (even if it doesn't fulfil the BY* parts)? In particular > > this is important for EXRULES: Is the DTSTART always the first occurence > > of the EXRULE? If that's the case, the DTSTART will always be excluded = as > > soon as at least one EXRULE is present. > > And since exceptions overrule inclusions, there's no way to have an > > occurence on the DTSTART in that case... Is this really the intended > > behaviour? > > I haven't implemented EXRULE (or ever seen one), but your argument that t= he > DTSTART will always be excluded looks right to me. > > That sounds like it would be a problem, but section 4.8.5.2 says this: > > The "EXRULE" property can be used to exclude the value specified in > ^^^ > "DTSTART". However, in such cases the original "DTSTART" date MUST > still be maintained by the calendaring and scheduling system because > the original "DTSTART" value has inherent usage dependencies by other > properties such as the "RECURRENCE-ID". > > They say "can", maybe should say "would always" :-) > > It appears to me that DTSTART is made an exception, then, and must be kep= t. Yeah, the "can" is the issue. If I have a daily event that starts on a mond= ay,=20 and add an exrule, which excludes all events on thursdays and fridays (here= =20 the exrule uses the DTSTART, but it doesn't match the BY* parts). So, does= =20 the DTSTART always match the EXRULE by definition (i.e. is the first monday= =20 excluded, and all thursdays and fridays afterward), or does the first monda= y=20 not match the EXRULE, and only all thursdays and fridays are excluded. > So, don't make events whose alleged "start" is excluded from the set of > events. This actually seems reasonable, why not just start the event when > it actually starts? Good question. I haven't thought of this too much, but I haven't yet seen a= =20 case where it would really make a different (if I understand RECURRENCE-ID= =20 correctly, I don't see where this should matter, although RFC 2445 says it= =20 does). Cheers, Reinhold =2D-=20 =2D----------------------------------------------------------------- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: reinhold@kainhofer.com, http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.a= t/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer / KPilot maintainer --nextPart1729649.f21ChoJ7gZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCnz53TqjEwhXvPN0RAhyUAJ9wSG4uAi91NmRI5ubB2dgLEWlF5gCgmdk5 9rsGDKULihBmsQvayG7KvQI= =J/3b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1729649.f21ChoJ7gZ-- From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Thu Jun 2 15:27:55 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20058 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j52JFeEc021126; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j52JFemL021124; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:15:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from royer.com (inet-consulting.com [4.23.9.166]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j52JFcaE021107 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@Royer.com) Received: from [192.168.168.10] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by royer.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j52JFSZu031192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:15:31 -0700 Message-ID: <429F5ACF.9020406@Royer.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:15:27 -0600 From: Doug Royer Reply-To: "ietf-calendar@imc.org" Organization: IntelliCal.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ietf-calendar@imc.org" Subject: Re: Questions regarding recurrence rules References: <200505311559.15124.reinhold@kainhofer.com> <20050602152730.GA520@ensemble.local> <200506021914.31551.reinhold@kainhofer.com> In-Reply-To: <200506021914.31551.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010407020705020400090201" Received-SPF: pass (royer.com: 127.0.0.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact SiteAdmin@INET-Consulting.com for more information X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010407020705020400090201 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010108020106000704040300" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010108020106000704040300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is more documentation supporting my assertion that recurrence rules are not as portable as many claim. I would suggest using RDATE's and no RRULE or EXRULE. They are easy to unwind, only after clearly defined and consistently used. Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > On Thursday 02 June 2005 17:27, Sam Roberts wrote: > >>Quoting reinhold@kainhofer.com, on Tue, May 31, 2005 at 03:59:12PM +0200: >> >>>Hi Guys, >>>1) About the BYDAY rule part: Let's start with some examples >>> RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=3SU >>>Okay, that's the third sunday of the year. But what exactly is >>> RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=5SU;BYMONTH=2 >>>Is this the fith sunday in the year, if it is also in february? >> >>Yes. >> >> Each BYDAY value can also be preceded by a positive (+n) or negative >> (-n) integer. If present, this indicates the nth occurrence of the >> specific day within the MONTHLY or YEARLY RRULE. For example, within >> a MONTHLY rule, +1MO (or simply 1MO) represents the first Monday >> within the month, whereas -1MO represents the last Monday of the >> month. If an integer modifier is not present, it means all days of >> this type within the specified frequency. For example, within a >> MONTHLY rule, MO represents all Mondays within the month. >> >>Whether it is an offset within a month or year depends on the FREQ, not on >>the presence of any other modifiers. > > > At first I thought so, too. But then, there are two reasons which seem to > contradict this: > > 1) The RFC speaks of "within the MONTLY or YEARLY RRULE" (notice that they > don't say "within the frequency", like they do four lines below). So I > wondered if this might be the only place where it's relevant in which order > the BY* parts are evaluated. > > 2) All VTIMEZONEs (at least those used by Exchange, Apple's iCal, and by > libical and so by evolution, korganizer etc.) use > RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU > > > >>RFC2445bis should add an example for this since its an area of confusion. > > > Definitely. > > >>>from rfc 2445. What is >>> RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=5SU;BYMONTH=2,7 >>>Is this the fifth sunday of the year, if it's in either February or July? >>>Or is it the fifth sunday of febrary and july together (i.e. in feb if >>>the feb in a leap year has 5 sundays, or the first sunday of july in all >>>other years)? >> >>No way! > > > Actually, if the RFC really meant "within the RRULE", when that would be the > correct interpretation. That's why I ask. > > >>>Also notice that rfc 2445 says "For example, within >>> a MONTHLY rule, +1MO (or simply 1MO) represents the first Monday >>> within the month, whereas -1MO represents the last Monday of the >>> month. ". So what does >>> RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;BYYEARDAY=57,64;BYDAY=-1MO >> >>Every month, the days that are the 57th&65th of the year (if in that >>month), and that are on the last monday of the month. > > > Depends. If you follow the RFC with the interpretation of "within the RRULE", > you'll get: > In each month, that days that are days 57 or 64 of the year. Within this rrule > (=within these days that match the rule so far), the last monday would be Feb > 27, 2007, and March 5, 2007.... > > >>>mean? The last monday of each month if it's also day #57 or #64 of the >>>year (which the quote implies), or the last monday each month in the set >>>of all days #57 and #64 of the year. In particular, in 2007, would the >>>recurrence set be Feb 27 (=#57 of the year, and the last monday in >>>february) without any occurence in march (march 5 is day #64, but it's >>>not the last monday in the month, since rfc 2445 says -1MO means last >>>monday of the month)? Or would it be Feb 27 (day #57 of the year, and >>>last monday of all dates that match the BYYEARDAY in the february >>>interval) and March 4 ( day #64 of the year and last monday of all dates >>>in March that match the BYYEARDAY). > > > > > >>>2) In Section 4.3.10 RFC 2445 says "The COUNT rule part defines the >>>number of occurrences at which to range-bound the recurrence. The >>>"DTSTART" property value, if specified, counts as the first occurrence.". >>>So look at this rrule: DTSTART;TZID=whatever:20050530T120000 >>>RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;COUNT=3;BYMONTH=6 >> >>I'm sorry, I can't find where it says it right now to quote, but I have the >>very distinct memory that RFC2445 says that the DTSTART property MUST >>specify a time that is valid according to the RRULE. > > > No, definitely not. E.g. even look at the examples given in RFC 2445. It > explicitly gives an example where the DTSTART does NOT match the RRULE: > > Every other week on Monday, Wednesday and Friday until December 24, > 1997, but starting on Tuesday, September 2, 1997: > > DTSTART;TZID=US-Eastern:19970902T090000 > RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;INTERVAL=2;UNTIL=19971224T000000Z;WKST=SU; > BYDAY=MO,WE,FR > ==> (1997 9:00 AM EDT)September 2,3,5,15,17,19,29;October > 1,3,13,15,17 > (1997 9:00 AM EST)October 27,29,31;November 10,12,14,24,26,28; > December 8,10,12,22 > > > >>>3) About the DTSTART and recurrence rules: Is the DTSTART always taken to >>>match the rule (even if it doesn't fulfil the BY* parts)? In particular >>>this is important for EXRULES: Is the DTSTART always the first occurence >>>of the EXRULE? If that's the case, the DTSTART will always be excluded as >>>soon as at least one EXRULE is present. >>>And since exceptions overrule inclusions, there's no way to have an >>>occurence on the DTSTART in that case... Is this really the intended >>>behaviour? >> >>I haven't implemented EXRULE (or ever seen one), but your argument that the >>DTSTART will always be excluded looks right to me. >> >>That sounds like it would be a problem, but section 4.8.5.2 says this: >> >> The "EXRULE" property can be used to exclude the value specified in >> ^^^ >> "DTSTART". However, in such cases the original "DTSTART" date MUST >> still be maintained by the calendaring and scheduling system because >> the original "DTSTART" value has inherent usage dependencies by other >> properties such as the "RECURRENCE-ID". >> >>They say "can", maybe should say "would always" :-) >> >>It appears to me that DTSTART is made an exception, then, and must be kept. > > > Yeah, the "can" is the issue. If I have a daily event that starts on a monday, > and add an exrule, which excludes all events on thursdays and fridays (here > the exrule uses the DTSTART, but it doesn't match the BY* parts). So, does > the DTSTART always match the EXRULE by definition (i.e. is the first monday > excluded, and all thursdays and fridays afterward), or does the first monday > not match the EXRULE, and only all thursdays and fridays are excluded. > > > >>So, don't make events whose alleged "start" is excluded from the set of >>events. This actually seems reasonable, why not just start the event when >>it actually starts? > > > Good question. I haven't thought of this too much, but I haven't yet seen a > case where it would really make a different (if I understand RECURRENCE-ID > correctly, I don't see where this should matter, although RFC 2445 says it > does). > > Cheers, > Reinhold -- Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com -------------------------------|----------------------------- We Do Standards - You Need Standards --------------010108020106000704040300 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="Doug.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Doug.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard fn:Doug Royer n:Royer;Doug org:INET-Consuiting.com adr:;;1795 W. 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owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.99]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j538Opc3043585 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 01:24:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reinhold@kainhofer.com) Received: from heisenberg (chello062178130194.6.13.tuwien.teleweb.at [62.178.130.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j538OnFm004102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:24:50 +0200 From: Reinhold Kainhofer Organization: Vienna University of Technology To: "ietf-calendar@imc.org" Subject: Re: Questions regarding recurrence rules Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 00:41:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505311559.15124.reinhold@kainhofer.com> <200506021914.31551.reinhold@kainhofer.com> <429F5ACF.9020406@Royer.com> In-Reply-To: <429F5ACF.9020406@Royer.com> X-Face: ")c{Au:m/NOF(f35rjhcBt1!6qS-QGbQ@)W]oPwD`8voekiB@|F0@FgDr"S@=?utf-8?q?=5Bim*un0=5D=3A6=0A=09WH1B=24e675u=7CE/oiWJ=26=23=25?=>=M,iFa%U='hgdU@#oEH`JO8QJ6!29O?M+YO'q6'>=?utf-8?q?=26/Sva=7BkUd=0A=09uq9J13?=)"5^;&~-%==D;W']zE[VP/OuP9l(.$"7cDh\0j2}1uNY6HQ:!n)=?utf-8?q?3=5D0j=0A=09drSp?=@(cji7\N Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --nextPart4225827.ZUWxiI19yr Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2005 21:15 schrieb Doug Royer: > This is more documentation supporting my assertion that recurrence > rules are not as portable as many claim. > > I would suggest using RDATE's and no RRULE or EXRULE. They are > easy to unwind, only after clearly defined and consistently used. Using only RDATE means loosing data (namely the actual intent) and the=20 possibility to edit the data later on.=20 If you have a course with the following data (from a student's perspecitive= ): Mar 2, 7, 9, 14, ... Can you be sure that it is really meant as a course that happens every mond= ay=20 and wednesday? No, you'll have to look at your calendar for every date. If= =20 you see that the recurrence is every monday and friday, you don't need to=20 look at your calendar, but sooner or later you'll remember. Also, in KOrganizer we also use iCalendar to store the whole calendar on di= sk,=20 and there we absolutely need a way to store the way in which a date is=20 recurring. Simply discarding all RRULES and using RDATES instead might be a= =20 solution for sending invitations, but it's not a solution for storing on=20 disk, and also not for exchanging events between two calendaring applicatio= ns=20 (i.e. import/export of events).=20 Cheers, Reinhold =2D-=20 =2D----------------------------------------------------------------- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna, Austria email: reinhold@kainhofer.com, http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org/, KOrganizer / KPilot maintain= er --nextPart4225827.ZUWxiI19yr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCn4s+TqjEwhXvPN0RAqVXAJ4qbCgEKLTKhICUqnCDBs5BSbBM0QCgjz1x b7HuEW2P/N14XvrLCsGdkuU= =OMxE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4225827.ZUWxiI19yr-- From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Fri Jun 3 10:57:18 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05600 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j53EktsV056064; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j53Ekt20056063; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:46:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j53EksYV056051 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 07:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lairdnelson@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200506031446.j53EksYV056051@above.proper.com> Received: from superwombat (host78.216.41.45.conversent.net[216.41.45.78]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005060314464801500aisrge>; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:46:48 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Laird Nelson" To: Cc: "'Sam Roberts'" , "'Reinhold Kainhofer'" Subject: RE: Questions regarding recurrence rules Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:46:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcVnltebAaNwGa3gS9ed4SMrk6tmEgArYmXA In-Reply-To: <200506021914.31551.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of > Reinhold Kainhofer > 2) All VTIMEZONEs (at least those used by Exchange, Apple's > iCal, and by libical and so by evolution, korganizer etc.) > use RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU (Mr. Kainhofer is implying that they got it wrong; something with which I agree. Mr. Roberts points out in another email that really, yes, that RRULE should read RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU, with which I also agree.) However, consider this timezone definition excerpt from RFC 2445 (line 3719 in the .txt version): BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:19671029T020000 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=10 ^^^^^^ The RRULE here is identical to the "wrong" way of doing it that Mr. Kainhofer describes above, and probably explains why Microsoft and Apple and the libical folks all got it "wrong" in the same manner (i.e. because the "wrong" way is the one that is given as an example throughout RFC 2445). Apparently this is the way that RFC 2445 encourages you to write RRULEs featuring integer-preceded BYDAY modifiers in conjunction with other modifiers. If this is correct and can be generalized, then it implies that BYDAY modifiers apply to the current set of evaluated occurrences, not to the FREQ. This contradicts what Mr. Roberts was saying earlier. The upshot is that I'm very confused. Perhaps my recurrence rule expansion library will need to be written to operate in one of two different modes? I am assuming from the relative silence on all of these discussions that Mr. Dawson and Mr. Stenerson are no longer on this list and cannot chime in to offer the framers' intent. Best, Laird From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Fri Jun 3 11:35:47 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA08659 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j53FQnqC060445; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:26:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j53FQnAF060444; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:26:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.99]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j53FQm6V060437 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:26:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reinhold@kainhofer.com) Received: from curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at (reinhold@curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.116]) by doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j53FQiUM010481 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:26:47 +0200 From: Reinhold Kainhofer Organization: FAM, Vienna University of Technology To: ietf-calendar@imc.org Subject: Re: Questions regarding recurrence rules Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:26:41 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.1 References: <200506031446.j53Ekof0004783@tuvok.kom.tuwien.ac.at> In-Reply-To: <200506031446.j53Ekof0004783@tuvok.kom.tuwien.ac.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2044280.BZFBn4X8K7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200506031726.43904.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --nextPart2044280.BZFBn4X8K7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday 03 June 2005 16:46, Laird Nelson wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org > > [mailto:owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of > > Reinhold Kainhofer > > 2) All VTIMEZONEs (at least those used by Exchange, Apple's > > iCal, and by libical and so by evolution, korganizer etc.) > > use RRULE:FREQ=3DYEARLY;BYMONTH=3D10;BYDAY=3D-1SU > > (Mr. Kainhofer is implying that they got it wrong;=20 No, I'm not implying that it is wrong. I simply don't know how it's correct= =2E=20 That's why I'm asking here to get some clarification on how the rfc should = be=20 correctly interpreted. Initially, I thought that -1SU always means the last sunday in the frequenc= y.=20 But after reading rfc 2445 over and over again (and after looking in the=20 internet for examples and other comment), I don't think that this is the=20 correct interpretation. Actually, I really think now that the correct=20 behavior is that the n-th day in the the BYDAY rule is really relative to t= he=20 set generated by BYMONTH, BYWEEKNO, BYYEARDAY, BYMONTHDAY and the weekday=20 given in BYDAY. > If this is correct and can be generalized, then it implies that BYDAY > modifiers apply to the current set of evaluated occurrences, not to the > FREQ. =20 Actually, thinking a bit more about this: Such an interpretation (which I n= ow=20 tend to think is the right way) would mean that the +n/-n in the BYDAY is=20 similar to the BYSETPOS values, only that it operates on a date-basis (i.e.= =20 before all times are evaluated, but after all rules for the date have been= =20 processed). To me that sounds as if there was some kind of redundancy=20 involved here... (Okay, there are some things that cannot be done with BYSETPOS alone, like = the=20 second-to-last wednesday and the last friday of the month.) > The upshot is > that I'm very confused. Perhaps my recurrence rule expansion library will > need to be written to operate in one of two different modes? I'm in the process of rewriting our old recurrence class (which was origina= lly=20 written for vCalendar-style recurrences, and so was missing the BYSETPOS=20 altogether, and it was impossible to include it without a complete rewrite)= ,=20 so I'd like to get everything right now rather than having to rewrite it=20 again. BTW, is there an FAQ about such issues with RFC 2445 somewhere? Maybe even = a=20 wiki page where I can add the answers to these questions myself (once we ge= t=20 a definitive answer)? Cheers, Reinhold =2D-=20 =2D----------------------------------------------------------------- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna University of Technology, Austria email: reinhold@kainhofer.com, http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.a= t/ * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org, KOrganizer / KPilot maintainer --nextPart2044280.BZFBn4X8K7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCoHazTqjEwhXvPN0RAowOAKCsxm8Ev9Ly4pgvxXCexELG5FVjugCgv/AH 9rEHFvqGQMKD8mxxz7CTrD8= =XXW5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2044280.BZFBn4X8K7-- From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Fri Jun 3 12:48:26 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13741 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j53GcZbh067466; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j53GcZLC067465; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from royer.com (inet-consulting.com [4.23.9.166]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j53GcXGm067459 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@Royer.com) Received: from [192.168.168.10] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by royer.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j53GcN8e025369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:38:28 -0700 Message-ID: <42A0877F.9050002@Royer.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:38:23 -0600 From: Doug Royer Organization: IntelliCal.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reinhold Kainhofer CC: "ietf-calendar@imc.org" Subject: Re: Questions regarding recurrence rules References: <200505311559.15124.reinhold@kainhofer.com> <200506031747.29687.reinhold@kainhofer.com> In-Reply-To: <200506031747.29687.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030507000001000301070602" Received-SPF: pass (royer.com: 127.0.0.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact SiteAdmin@INET-Consulting.com for more information X-INET-Consulting.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030507000001000301070602 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040504090503060901040700" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040504090503060901040700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The "DTSTART" property value, if Dawson & Stenerson Standards Track [Page 42] RFC 2445 iCalendar November 1998 specified, counts as the first occurrence. > > After re-reading the rfc several times, and reading a thread on the libical > mailing list from July 2002 > (http://www.softwarestudio.org/mail-archives/libical/0680.html, see the > thread following this initial mail for the relvant comments), I don't think > that the DTSTART is meant to be automatically part of the recurrence set > generated by the RRULE (only if it matches the BY* parts). So, basically, > this means that > DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20050603 > RRULE:FREQ=DAILY > EXRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;BYDAY=MO,WE;COUNT=3 > excludes only Mo June 6, We June 8, and Mo June 13 (the count applies only to > the nr of dates that actually match the rule, as explained above; and the > DTSTART is not automatically excluded by the EXRULE, since otherwise the > phrase "can be used to exclude ... DTSTART" doesn't make sense). > > Can anyone confirm this? > > Cheers, > Reinhold > -- Doug Royer | http://INET-Consulting.com -------------------------------|----------------------------- We Do Standards - You Need Standards --------------040504090503060901040700 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="Doug.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Doug.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard fn:Doug Royer n:Royer;Doug org:INET-Consuiting.com adr:;;1795 W. 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owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.99]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j53IOkxU075788 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reinhold@kainhofer.com) Received: from heisenberg (chello062178130194.6.13.tuwien.teleweb.at [62.178.130.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j53IOh9a024588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:44 +0200 From: Reinhold Kainhofer Organization: Vienna University of Technology To: Doug Royer , "ietf-calendar@imc.org" Subject: Re: Questions regarding recurrence rules Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:24:36 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505311559.15124.reinhold@kainhofer.com> <200506031747.29687.reinhold@kainhofer.com> <42A0877F.9050002@Royer.com> In-Reply-To: <42A0877F.9050002@Royer.com> X-Face: ")c{Au:m/NOF(f35rjhcBt1!6qS-QGbQ@)W]oPwD`8voekiB@|F0@FgDr"S@=?utf-8?q?=5Bim*un0=5D=3A6=0A=09WH1B=24e675u=7CE/oiWJ=26=23=25?=>=M,iFa%U='hgdU@#oEH`JO8QJ6!29O?M+YO'q6'>=?utf-8?q?=26/Sva=7BkUd=0A=09uq9J13?=)"5^;&~-%==D;W']zE[VP/OuP9l(.$"7cDh\0j2}1uNY6HQ:!n)=?utf-8?q?3=5D0j=0A=09drSp?=@(cji7\N Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --nextPart4626893.8lntLJgmG2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Doug, Am Freitag, 3. Juni 2005 18:38 schrieben Sie: > The "DTSTART" property value, if > specified, counts as the first occurrence. Yes, and? I was discussing exactly this sentence. Did you read what I wrote= in=20 the paragraph before the one that you quote? On Friday, 3. Juni 2005 17:47 I wrote: > I thought about this issue some more, and I tend to think that the phrase > "if specified" in the RFC 2445 is actually meant to mean "if the DTSTART > matches the recurrence rule" (not if the DTSTART is present in the VEVENT > at all). The issue here is what "if specified" means.=20 It can't mean "if a DTSTART property is available", because if there is no= =20 DTSTART (implied or explicit), then an RRULE doesn't make sense at all. So= =20 what else can it mean? It's definitely there for a reason, so the only explanation I found was tha= t=20 "specified" in that context was meant to be "if the first recurrence of the= =20 RRULE matches the DTSTART, it counts towards the COUNT".=20 This might not seem relevant (or rather, it might seem pretty obvious), but= if=20 you look at the larger picture it serves as clarification:=20 The whole recurrence set is generated by DTSTART plus the recurrences=20 generated by the RRULEs and the RDATEs, minus the EXRULES and EXDATEs.=20 Also, rfc 2445 says "Duplicate instances are ignored". The phrase you quote= =20 simply means that although the the dtstart will be ignored in the RRULE=20 (because it's already in the recurrence set due to its being DTSTART), it=20 still counts towards count. Also notice the wording: it speaks of the property value, not of the proper= ty=20 itself. The property needs to be specified (which implies that a value for= =20 DTSTART is specified in the VEVENT), so the question here is specified *by= =20 what* ? In the event? (No, I already negated this and brought arguments for= =20 this) By the recurrence rule?=20 At least that's the explanation I found for that exact phrase in the RFC. I= =20 may be wrong, but I haven't yet heard a better explanation to what "if=20 specified" really means there. Please correct me, if I'm wrong! Cheers, Reinhold > > > After re-reading the rfc several times, and reading a thread on the > > libical mailing list from July 2002 > > (http://www.softwarestudio.org/mail-archives/libical/0680.html, see the > > thread following this initial mail for the relvant comments), I don't > > think that the DTSTART is meant to be automatically part of the > > recurrence set generated by the RRULE (only if it matches the BY* parts= ). > > So, basically, this means that > > DTSTART;VALUE=3DDATE:20050603 > > RRULE:FREQ=3DDAILY > > EXRULE:FREQ=3DWEEKLY;BYDAY=3DMO,WE;COUNT=3D3 > > excludes only Mo June 6, We June 8, and Mo June 13 (the count applies > > only to the nr of dates that actually match the rule, as explained abov= e; > > and the DTSTART is not automatically excluded by the EXRULE, since > > otherwise the phrase "can be used to exclude ... DTSTART" doesn't make > > sense). > > > > Can anyone confirm this? > > > > Cheers, > > Reinhold =2D-=20 =2D----------------------------------------------------------------- Reinhold Kainhofer, Vienna, Austria email: reinhold@kainhofer.com, http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial and Actuarial Mathematics, TU Wien, http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at * K Desktop Environment, http://www.kde.org/, KOrganizer / KPilot maintain= er --nextPart4626893.8lntLJgmG2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCoKBlTqjEwhXvPN0RAlDyAKDA2Vk8GqYPckWtX2NeY0xfmLwosACfcAlc fzOShW+WACakk/0skT4UUAo= =9JkB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4626893.8lntLJgmG2-- From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Fri Jun 3 16:20:39 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08849 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j53FlZfe062760; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:47:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j53FlZUa062759; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.99]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j53FlY6L062749 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:47:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reinhold@kainhofer.com) Received: from curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at (reinhold@curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.116]) by doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j53FlUoc011202 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:47:32 +0200 From: Reinhold Kainhofer Organization: FAM, Vienna University of Technology To: "ietf-calendar@imc.org" Subject: Re: Questions regarding recurrence rules Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:47:29 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.1 References: <200505311559.15124.reinhold@kainhofer.com> In-Reply-To: <200505311559.15124.reinhold@kainhofer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1564412.N6PQJJTH6z"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200506031747.29687.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --nextPart1564412.N6PQJJTH6z Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello guys, I did some more digging in various mailing list archives, re-read rfc 2445 = a=20 few times and throught a little more on the issues. On Tuesday 31 May 2005 15:59, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > 2) In Section 4.3.10 RFC 2445 says "The COUNT rule part defines the number > of occurrences at which to range-bound the recurrence. The "DTSTART" > property value, if specified, counts as the first occurrence.".=20 [...] > Now if the DTSTART is not specified the quote from above would imply that > the start doesn't count as a recurrence, so looking at > DTEND;TZID=3Dwhatever:20050530T150000 > DURATION:PT3H > RRULE:FREQ=3DWEEKLY;COUNT=3D3;BYMONTH=3D6 > would give the following resulting recurrence dates? > 1) 20050530 (DTSTART is always the first occurence, ) > 2) 20050630 > 3) 20060630 > 4) 20070630 (DTSTART doesn't count towards COUNT) I thought about this issue some more, and I tend to think that the phrase "= if=20 specified" in the RFC 2445 is actually meant to mean "if the DTSTART matche= s=20 the recurrence rule" (not if the DTSTART is present in the VEVENT at all). = In=20 particular this would mean that DTSTART;VALUE=3DDATE:20050603 RRULE:FREQ=3DWEEKLY;BYDAY=3DMO,WE;COUNT=3D3 gives the recurrence set June 3 (DTSTART), June 6, 8, and 13 (the first thr= ee=20 occurences defined by the RRULE). Also, in the rule DTSTART;VALUE=3DDATE:20050603 RRULE:FREQ=3DWEEKLY;BYDAY=3DWE,FR;COUNT=3D3 the recurrence set is generated by the DTSTART plus the first three occuren= ces=20 of the RRULE (June 3, 8 and 10). As a result the recurrence set would only = be=20 June 3, 8, and 10 (June 3 is duplicate from the DTSTART and the RRULE, but= =20 rfc 2445 says that means it only appears once). > 3) About the DTSTART and recurrence rules: Is the DTSTART always taken to > match the rule (even if it doesn't fulfil the BY* parts)? In particular > this is important for EXRULES: Is the DTSTART always the first occurence = of > the EXRULE? If that's the case, the DTSTART will always be excluded as so= on > as at least one EXRULE is present. > And since exceptions overrule inclusions, there's no way to have an > occurence on the DTSTART in that case... Is this really the intended > behaviour? After re-reading the rfc several times, and reading a thread on the libical= =20 mailing list from July 2002=20 (http://www.softwarestudio.org/mail-archives/libical/0680.html, see the=20 thread following this initial mail for the relvant comments), I don't think= =20 that the DTSTART is meant to be automatically part of the recurrence set=20 generated by the RRULE (only if it matches the BY* parts). So, basically,=20 this means that=20 DTSTART;VALUE=3DDATE:20050603 RRULE:FREQ=3DDAILY EXRULE:FREQ=3DWEEKLY;BYDAY=3DMO,WE;COUNT=3D3 excludes only Mo June 6, We June 8, and Mo June 13 (the count applies only = to=20 the nr of dates that actually match the rule, as explained above; and the=20 DTSTART is not automatically excluded by the EXRULE, since otherwise the=20 phrase "can be used to exclude ... DTSTART" doesn't make sense). Can anyone confirm this? 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----1k6dxTzw3xGec4zC4x7-- From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Tue Jun 7 11:37:36 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03846 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j57FSEmV004081; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j57FSE7n004080; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:28:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j57FSDhw004068 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:28:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lairdnelson@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200506071528.j57FSDhw004068@above.proper.com> Received: from superwombat (host78.216.41.45.conversent.net[216.41.45.78]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005060715280701300h2f4ce>; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:28:07 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Laird Nelson" To: Subject: INTERVAL, DTSTART and BYxxx modifiers Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:28:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVrdYDcfWDqFK+MTI2ca/bDgupv5w== Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope this is a meaningful question; please point me in the right direction if not. Consider the following arbitrary RRULE, significant mainly for its INTERVAL rule part: DTSTART;TZID=US-Eastern:19970105T083000 RRULE:FREQ=DAILY;INTERVAL=5;BYMONTH=1 Now suppose that I want my recurrence engine to return me the next instance relative to today's date (June 7, 2005). If the INTERVAL were 1 (or, equivalently, not specified), then it would be clear that the next instance would be January 1, 2006 08:30:00 EST. Would the same be true when the INTERVAL is 5 (as it is in my example)? Or must I first compute the total set of *unmodified* occurrences (e.g. every fifth day, period, end of story) and then eliminate all such instances that are not "contained" by the BYMONTH modifier? Another way to tput this is, sitting here, I'm not sure offhand what day in January 2006 you'll "land on" if you iterate over every fifth day, starting from January 1, 1997, so I'm not sure offhand which day in January 2006 matches the rule. Must I perform this calculation before applying my BYxxx rule parts? RFC 2445 says: If multiple BYxxx rule parts are specified, then after evaluating the specified FREQ and INTERVAL rule parts, the BYxxx rule parts are applied to the current set of evaluated occurrences in the following order: BYMONTH, BYWEEKNO, BYYEARDAY, BYMONTHDAY, BYDAY, BYHOUR, BYMINUTE, BYSECOND and BYSETPOS; then COUNT and UNTIL are evaluated. This leads me to believe that I must actually compute the entire set of occurrences (when INTERVAL > 1) even if all I want to do is just find the occurrence immediately after some reference date. Is that the intention? Thanks, Laird From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Tue Jun 7 12:19:47 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07197 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j57GCYS7007765; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j57GCY4O007764; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.99]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j57GCVCL007750 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:12:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reinhold@kainhofer.com) Received: from curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at (reinhold@curie.fam.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.51.116]) by doob.fam.tuwien.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j57GCRw5018697 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:12:29 +0200 From: Reinhold Kainhofer Organization: FAM, Vienna University of Technology To: ietf-calendar@imc.org Subject: Re: INTERVAL, DTSTART and BYxxx modifiers Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:12:23 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.1 References: <200506071528.j57FSDhw004068@above.proper.com> In-Reply-To: <200506071528.j57FSDhw004068@above.proper.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2532171.HLQYlNQGcM"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200506071812.26633.reinhold@kainhofer.com> Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --nextPart2532171.HLQYlNQGcM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 07 June 2005 17:28, Laird Nelson wrote: > Consider the following arbitrary RRULE, significant mainly for its INTERV= AL > rule part: > > DTSTART;TZID=3DUS-Eastern:19970105T083000 > RRULE:FREQ=3DDAILY;INTERVAL=3D5;BYMONTH=3D1 [...] > must I first compute the total set of *unmodified* occurrences (e.g. every > fifth day, period, end of story) and then eliminate all such instances th= at > are not "contained" by the BYMONTH modifier? Another way to put this is,= =20 > sitting here, I'm not sure offhand what day in January 2006 you'll "land > on" if you iterate over every fifth day, starting from January 1, 1997, so > I'm not sure offhand which day in January 2006 matches the rule. Must I > perform this calculation before applying my BYxxx rule parts? Yes, exactly. Actually, there's no need to actually step through all 5-day steps sine Jan= 5=20 1997. Just calculate the days that have elapsed since Jan 5 1997, and get t= he=20 next multiple of the frequency. That's the next valid interval on or after= =20 the date. This works just fine for seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks,=20 months and years. E.g. Days from Jan 5, 1997, until June 7, 2005: 3075 So, June 7, 2005, is a valid recurrence interval. Check all BY* parts to se= e=20 if there are any occurences in this interval. Since there are not, increase= =20 the date by 5 days. =46or June 9, you'll have 3077 days since DTSTART, so you'll have to add 3 = days=20 to get to a multiple of 5. Check all BY* to see if there's a recurrence on= =20 June 12. If not, add 5 days and start over with checking the BY*. Do this,= =20 until you have an occurence, or you are outside a date/time range that is o= f=20 interest (or the loop count exceeds a certain threshold so you can assume t= he=20 rule is contradictory, but you haven't detected this before). Of course, you might think of optimizing this by analyzing the BY* parts, a= nd=20 seeing that only occurences in Jan are allowed, so you can skip all months= =20 until Jan 1, 2006. This is 3283 days after the DTSTART, so Jan 3, 2006 woul= d=20 be the next allowed interval. 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----5B3TRbZ5IbeARIbQ-- From owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Mon Jun 13 14:57:36 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09544 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5DIkShk073876; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:46:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j5DIkStj073875; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:46:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp837.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp837.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.171.24]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j5DIkQu5073869 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org) Received: (qmail 67376 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2005 18:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (dave.thewlis@sbcglobal.net@69.107.112.17 with plain) by smtp837.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2005 18:46:26 -0000 Message-ID: <42ADD47F.6040109@calconnect.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:46:23 -0700 From: Dave Thewlis Reply-To: Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org Organization: The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-calendar list Subject: Reminder -- Questionnaire on Implementation of Timezones -- Calconnect and Calsify Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-calendar@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Dear Folks,

This is a followup reminder to my e-mail of May 24th requesting assistance in responding to a Calconnect questionnaire on Timezones.  Our original target date for responses was June 10th. We're received several responses but hope that with a little more time others will be able to help us.  If you've not responded but have a calendaring implementation, we would appreciate it very much if you could take a few minutes to respond to our questionnaire.

We've extended the target date another week to Monday, June 20th -- and so you don't have to rummage around and find my previous e-mail, the questionniare (which is in e-mail format so you can fill it out and e-mail it back) is included below.

Thank you very much for your help.

Dave Thewlis
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Questionnaire on Timezones in iCalendar

Introduction:

This questionnaire is being used to determine support for iCalendar
(RFC2445) timezone support. The specific sections in RFC2445 that
are being queried are:

4.6.5       Time Zone Component
4.8.2.4     Date/Time Start
4.8.3       Time Zone Component Properties
     ( and sub-sections )
4.8.5.3     Recurrence Date/Times
4.8.5.4     Recurrence Rule
4.8.7.3     Last Modified
4.8.8.1     Non-standard Properties

These may involve reference to other sections.

How to answer:

Please copy the text from the '-------' divider below to the end of
this message into a new message and address it to:

    <mailto:questionnaire@calconnect.org>

To fill it out:

For 'y/n/o':

    'y' means yes
    'n' means no
    'o' means other or not applicable

    Delete two letters to leave the one for your answer.
    If you have specific comments you can add about your answers,
    please do so at the end and reference the question number to which
    the comment applies.
    
For _____________________: enter text for the answer.



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Product Details:

P1:		Product/Implementation Name:
        
        _____________________


Components supported:

                                   Consume         Produce
Q1:     VTIMEZONE                   y/n/o           y/n/o
Q1.1:   STANDARD                    y/n/o           y/n/o
Q1.2:   DAYLIGHT                    y/n/o           y/n/o


Properties supported:
                                
        In VTIMEZONE
                                   Consume         Produce
Q2.1:   TZID                        y/n/o           y/n/o
Q2.2:   LAST-MODIFIED               y/n/o           y/n/o
Q2.3:   TZURL                       y/n/o           y/n/o
Q2.4:   XPROP                       y/n/o           y/n/o


        In STANDARD
                                   Consume         Produce
Q3.1:   DTSTART                     y/n/o           y/n/o
Q3.2:   TZOFFSETTO                  y/n/o           y/n/o
Q3.3:   TZOFFSETFROM                y/n/o           y/n/o
Q3.4:   COMMENT                     y/n/o           y/n/o
Q3.5:   RDATE                       y/n/o           y/n/o
Q3.6:   RRULE                       y/n/o           y/n/o
Q3.7:   TZNAME                      y/n/o           y/n/o
Q3.8:   XPROP                       y/n/o           y/n/o


        In DAYLIGHT
                                   Consume         Produce
Q4.1:   DTSTART                     y/n/o           y/n/o
Q4.2:   TZOFFSETTO                  y/n/o           y/n/o
Q4.3:   TZOFFSETFROM                y/n/o           y/n/o
Q4.4:   COMMENT                     y/n/o           y/n/o
Q4.5:   RDATE                       y/n/o           y/n/o
Q4.6:   RRULE                       y/n/o           y/n/o
Q4.7:   TZNAME                      y/n/o           y/n/o
Q4.8:   XPROP                       y/n/o           y/n/o


General:
    
Q5:  Do you always send DATE-TIME
     values with a timezone?         y/n/o

Q6:  Do you always send DATE-TIME
     values in UTC or floating?      y/n/o

Q7:  Do you provide a standard
     set of timezones built-in
     to your product?                y/n/o

     if yes to Q7, then
     {
Q8:     Where did you get your
        timezone definitions?
        
        _____________________
        
Q9:     How many timezone
        definitions do you have?
        
        _____________________
        
Q10:    Do you have a special
        naming scheme for TZIDs,
        and if so what is it?
        
        _____________________
        
Q11:    Do you provide a mechanism
        for updating built-in
        timezones?                  y/n/o
        
        if yes to Q11, then
        {
Q12:        Do you adjust future
            times to account for
            timezone definition
            changes?                y/n/o
        }

     }
    
Q13: Do you accept and use
     timezone definitions from
     imported iCalendar data?       y/n/o

     if yes to Q13, then
     {   
Q14:    Do you attempt to merge
        timezone definitions with the
        same TZID when importing
        iCalendar data?             y/n/o
     }
    
Q15: When exporting timezones in
     iCalendar data (either to a file
     or via iTIP) do you send the entire
     timezone definition or just the
     set of dates needed for coverage
     of the event?

     _____________________
    
Q16: Would you use timezone
     definitions from a standard
     timezone registry if one
     were created?                   y/n/o
    
Q17: What problems would be
     involved in changing a
     timezone definition if DST
     was changed at some point
     in the future?
    
     _____________________


C1:  Comments on specific answers (include Q number for cross-reference
     to original question):

     _____________________

C2:  Comments on the format and ease of use of this questionnaire:

     _____________________

C3:  Are there any additional questions we should be asking, and if
     so what are they?

     _____________________


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