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(host86-136-52-180.range86-136.btcentralplus.com [86.136.52.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm7466142gve.17.2009.04.04.10.08.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Peter Keane , James Holderness , atom-syntax Message-Id: From: Geoffrey Sneddon To: jpanzer@acm.org In-Reply-To: <30ac519d0903281130g4860a814v7f859d7f61df0b6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: draft-sneddon-atom-export (Was: Exporting a blog using Atom) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:08:49 +0100 References: <1C1D116F-9BB2-4B4D-9C21-2965324C0848@mac.com> <49CB173D.1040800@acm.org> <8210AE04-8234-4C9C-8193-8E8FBAE5B76E@googlemail.com> <8158ad750903261334y28c22cetb5e7d7f684b516d4@mail.gmail.com> <8158ad750903270925h1580530jbeb8d27d9619443c@mail.gmail.com> <8158ad750903281036s1f2e093i628d77335df0224f@mail.gmail.com> <30ac519d0903281130g4860a814v7f859d7f61df0b6@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 28 Mar 2009, at 18:30, John Panzer wrote: > So people can see what we're talking about easily, I exported a =20 > (test) blog > and uploaded the xml here: > > http://www.johnpanzer.com/blogexport.xml > > Unfortunately this one didn't have comments, and only two entries, =20 > so most > of the data is taken up with settings. What led you to actually try and use Atom to represent settings? It =20 would seem far simpler to use some custom namespace for them, with a =20 vocabulary specific to them =97 settings are more-or-less tool specific, = =20 so you gain little by having them in some format such as Atom. > If you view it in a feed reader, you > get something that looks a bit like key-value pairs (where each =20 > entry is a > key with a description and the content is the value). There are =20 > various > drawbacks to the format, I'm not proposing it as a defined standard, =20= > but we > needed something to allow for export and import and it's an (IMHO) > reasonable starting point. It probably is a reasonable starting point, and having spoken to =20 authors of a variety of blogging packages it seems going for something =20= closer to it than what the current I-D has is more favoured (primarily =20= because dealing with tar files in a memory efficient way can become =20 fun, to say the least, in PHP, where there are quite often memory =20 limits (per process) of around 8MB, and the export files could easily =20= exceed that). In some ways I'm tempted to try and come up with something that is =20 compatible with existing Blogger-export-format importers, even if it =20 isn't compatible the other way around (I think the latter would =20 cripple the format from some realistic requirements that some packages =20= have, whereas there is little reason not to do the former). Finally, what are the drawbacks to the format from your point of view: =20= you can probably think of things that I can't, in part simply because =20= you have implementation experience with it. > Looking at it in a reader, it's pretty clear that critical =20 > information isn't > being picked up by the generic reader, but it degrades fairly =20 > gracefully I > think. I think there are one or two ways it could degrade better, but let's =20 ignore this for now: there is no need to get into an endless paint-the-=20= bikeshed discussion. I'll try and get another I-D together, um, =20 sometime, though probably May/June. -- Geoffrey Sneddon From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Apr 4 11:34:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AB83A67F9 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.092 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.092 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.094, BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ETojJILKIlLP for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC7B3A67B0 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n34IBptg079225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:11:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n34IBpEW079224; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:11:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.219]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n34IBe3A079209 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:11:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from j4_james@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.152.14]) by bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:11:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:11:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 87.82.0.252 by BAY141-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:11:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [87.82.0.252] X-Originating-Email: [j4_james@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j4_james@hotmail.com From: "James Holderness" To: "atom-syntax" References: <1C1D116F-9BB2-4B4D-9C21-2965324C0848@mac.com> <49CB173D.1040800@acm.org> <8210AE04-8234-4C9C-8193-8E8FBAE5B76E@googlemail.com> <8158ad750903261334y28c22cetb5e7d7f684b516d4@mail.gmail.com> <8158ad750903270925h1580530jbeb8d27d9619443c@mail.gmail.com> <8158ad750903281036s1f2e093i628d77335df0224f@mail.gmail.com> <30ac519d0903281130g4860a814v7f859d7f61df0b6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: draft-sneddon-atom-export (Was: Exporting a blog using Atom) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 19:13:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2009 18:11:40.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD360350:01C9B550] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Peter Keane wrote: > Does the Blogger format (which I was championing) cripple their > functionality? Just curious.... Short answer: yes. John Panzer wrote: > So people can see what we're talking about easily, I exported a > (test) blog and uploaded the xml here: > > http://www.johnpanzer.com/blogexport.xml I hadn't looked at the Blogger format until you posted that link. Once I saw it, though, I realised it was so laughingly bad, I just had to steal the idea for my April Fools' Day blog post (although maybe it wasn't that funny if you thought the format had any merit at all). Having done that, I kind of forgot abut this thread, but I think it's probably best if I stay out of this discussion anyway. My interest in the archive format is somewhat tangential to the problem you're trying to solve. However, I'd be grateful if everyone could try and avoid recommending their worst ideas as "best practices". That just makes my life more difficult. Regards James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Apr 4 11:57:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374DE3A685B for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:57:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.721 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.721 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.256, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MWGtP3-R+Lj9 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01163A67ED for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n34IoQZi080909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n34IoQn1080908; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-gx0-f176.google.com (mail-gx0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n34IoE5A080895 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pjkeane@gmail.com) Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so3370855gxk.10 for ; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:50:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YK35MRWoKIxh1MybhIh7N9pDUah2mucnKuY/FZk49yE=; b=F0KL8OlK2mNzcir3HNS4npOOqVTPTR9MA2f4qeh3UyVIKIZ5fvxPBZ9yzhGX46LZpt 6tKXIgW64WcOdo37c1tKkT0p6VobO/SxkBZdLdZNvFHJToNBcN1jWMDHCgox71VCvCfM 2NEfeoWsopC4uglVpzqEqlbyICClbQlYKFgmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=K7so1lUVq1juEzNtPR/HaOugEMbjxy1KS+Dn5QWqIL9XOzhq9a+u+9D5kAXemiZO1s 7/Zf0/N9vXEu6pkEQv3Oc0IXlcAWCuYmyGyQ6ry9vf+I9ID0HW8hLq/pc7ENQRaBPKkw cCV6wSAdvuYjvcZvSfYlHlOVWieQxWFxcz0M4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.41.21 with SMTP id t21mr4824635ybj.117.1238871014228; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:50:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1C1D116F-9BB2-4B4D-9C21-2965324C0848@mac.com> <49CB173D.1040800@acm.org> <8210AE04-8234-4C9C-8193-8E8FBAE5B76E@googlemail.com> <8158ad750903261334y28c22cetb5e7d7f684b516d4@mail.gmail.com> <8158ad750903270925h1580530jbeb8d27d9619443c@mail.gmail.com> <8158ad750903281036s1f2e093i628d77335df0224f@mail.gmail.com> <30ac519d0903281130g4860a814v7f859d7f61df0b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:50:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 41ca0e47f10fc978 Message-ID: <8158ad750904041150j7f249bala2dec09b1de39e69@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: draft-sneddon-atom-export (Was: Exporting a blog using Atom) From: Peter Keane To: James Holderness Cc: atom-syntax Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM, James Holderness wro= te: > > Peter Keane wrote: >> >> Does the Blogger format (which I was championing) cripple their >> functionality? =C2=A0Just curious.... > > Short answer: yes. > > John Panzer wrote: >> >> So people can see what we're talking about easily, I exported a >> (test) blog and uploaded the xml here: >> >> http://www.johnpanzer.com/blogexport.xml > > I hadn't looked at the Blogger format until you posted that link. Once I = saw > it, though, I realised it was so laughingly bad, I just had to steal the > idea for my April Fools' Day blog post (although maybe it wasn't that fun= ny > if you thought the format had any merit at all). > > Having done that, I kind of forgot abut this thread, but I think it's > probably best if I stay out of this discussion anyway. My interest in the > archive format is somewhat tangential to the problem you're trying to sol= ve. > > However, I'd be grateful if everyone could try and avoid recommending the= ir > worst ideas as "best practices". That just makes my life more difficult. I'd be a lot more useful if you could explain your objections. Meanwhile, I'll modify my statement to say "common" practice (instead of "best" practice -- even though I quite like it -- it's indisputably "common"). I'm all ears & willing to change my tune if there is compelling evidence... --peter > > Regards > James > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Apr 4 12:05:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817813A67B0 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.444 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.444 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, J_CHICKENPOX_48=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6YEOdB-3lCQ2 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A543A6858 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n34J0FTk081387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:00:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n34J0FDL081386; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:00:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-gx0-f176.google.com (mail-gx0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n34J0D3k081380 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pjkeane@gmail.com) Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so3376040gxk.10 for ; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 12:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=w3AR7li+B6S0I+njE42v9Fd+8tQK8y6obVRw4aumFdM=; b=Fupi2kLlqrZMSRjFBXYq9mGM8bGhtiU/xEbeTJp5ESoG+YiVgckd/ueOtFo6WKP+Au efqT5xCvNzGAuSy6N4g2wnK4/Jkh0Vq6al+1C1Bnjd5UnQuoRFpS36dEVGEoOHNBkl9p /4e4uoRkK9DOVKKJBE6vY0OHilglEy7i+ytN8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=aO+jPIl6Jz+J8fzdMXZqaU6DrM5FfupfZw6siDfgiKL5DPn4/V1muyAIguEnRf2SCk oGPH9XXquu9/zKHIhdn1fsst2MJQWzCmFv/FkM+pk/z6Uib2pz/UqUPyLXgVQM8UVQQd Tk6ERHWgTh7Fp3zlh37exKw42Sy+gqT+2vWkE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.133.18 with SMTP id g18mr3456599ybd.181.1238871611618; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 12:00:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8158ad750904041150j7f249bala2dec09b1de39e69@mail.gmail.com> References: <1C1D116F-9BB2-4B4D-9C21-2965324C0848@mac.com> <8210AE04-8234-4C9C-8193-8E8FBAE5B76E@googlemail.com> <8158ad750903261334y28c22cetb5e7d7f684b516d4@mail.gmail.com> <8158ad750903270925h1580530jbeb8d27d9619443c@mail.gmail.com> <8158ad750903281036s1f2e093i628d77335df0224f@mail.gmail.com> <30ac519d0903281130g4860a814v7f859d7f61df0b6@mail.gmail.com> <8158ad750904041150j7f249bala2dec09b1de39e69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:00:11 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 26f090375349bd46 Message-ID: <8158ad750904041200j70054c1y676e9120a636f901@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: draft-sneddon-atom-export (Was: Exporting a blog using Atom) From: Peter Keane To: James Holderness Cc: atom-syntax Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Just for clarity, what I am asserting is the usefulness of atom:category to express attributes of a feed or entry that are particularly useful for machine processing and may or may not be useful for human consumption (e.g. visibility: public/private). And that atom:category@label may be useful in distinguishing those which are meant primarily for human consumption. That, if I understand, is a very bad idea in your opnion (it may be universally regarded as a bad idea and I am missing something). Since per the spec it is perfectly reasonable/valid, evidence or explanation would be welcome. --peter On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Peter Keane wrote: > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM, James Holderness w= rote: >> >> Peter Keane wrote: >>> >>> Does the Blogger format (which I was championing) cripple their >>> functionality? =C2=A0Just curious.... >> >> Short answer: yes. >> >> John Panzer wrote: >>> >>> So people can see what we're talking about easily, I exported a >>> (test) blog and uploaded the xml here: >>> >>> http://www.johnpanzer.com/blogexport.xml >> >> I hadn't looked at the Blogger format until you posted that link. Once I= saw >> it, though, I realised it was so laughingly bad, I just had to steal the >> idea for my April Fools' Day blog post (although maybe it wasn't that fu= nny >> if you thought the format had any merit at all). >> >> Having done that, I kind of forgot abut this thread, but I think it's >> probably best if I stay out of this discussion anyway. My interest in th= e >> archive format is somewhat tangential to the problem you're trying to so= lve. >> >> However, I'd be grateful if everyone could try and avoid recommending th= eir >> worst ideas as "best practices". That just makes my life more difficult. > > I'd be a lot more useful if you could explain your objections. > Meanwhile, I'll modify my statement to say "common" practice (instead > of "best" practice -- even though I quite like it -- it's indisputably > "common"). =C2=A0I'm all ears & willing to change my tune if there is > compelling evidence... > > --peter > > >> >> Regards >> James >> >> > From johnh@afpros.com Sat Apr 4 17:08:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C503A689F for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:08:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.291 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.291 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC=4.295, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.383, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c2RQEMag2mFG for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 189-54-194-134-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br (189-54-194-134-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br [189.54.194.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C33343A67E7 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:08:37 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: Transaction cancelled by request From: MensHealth.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090405000838.C33343A67E7@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:08:37 -0700 (PDT)

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Begin forwarded message: > Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org > From: Mark Nottingham > Date: 8 April 2009 9:10:58 AM > To: HTTP Working Group > Cc: Ian Hickson > Subject: [link draft] Changing the model for links > Archived-At: > > > I've been discussing the link draft with Ian Hickson, who points out > that in HTML4, there's a difference between > > > > > and > > > However, it is important for Link to interoperate well with HTML4. > Also, the HTML5 folks plan to use this model for other purposes > (e.g., "up up" to indicate a parent of a parent). > > The practical impact of making this change is that serialisations of > links won't be able to collapse multiple relation types between two > URIs into one link; they'll have to be separate to allow this > interpretation. > > So, for example, if you have link types ['w', 'x', 'y z'] between A > and B, it will have to be serialised as > > Link: ; rel="w" > Link: ; rel="x" > Link: ; rel="y z" > > in HTTP headers, NOT > > Link: ; rel="w x y z" > > because that's ambiguous. > > The alternative is to say that the 'stylesheet alternate' > combination isn't specific to how it's serialised, but is tied to > the occurrence of the links. 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However, this does seem to directly conflict with the HTML4 > language (see link above), so I don't think doing so is viable. > > Comments? > > -- > Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ > > -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 7 20:08:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B2528C15C for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Z1J8my9r-73 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C10128C15E for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n382wKqC044245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n382wKsY044244; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n382wJmR044237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brian@briansmith.org) Received: from T60 (unknown [70.132.140.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6EEED05AF for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Smith" To: "'Atom-Syntax Syntax'" Subject: FW: [link draft] Changing the model for links Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:58:21 -0500 Message-ID: <00bb01c9b7f5$e15b0900$a4111b00$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acm32Bpeqz2dxJkjQ36TPPkNO3lDaQAG63TAAACA6lA= Content-Language: en-us Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Mark Nottingham wrote: > FYI; this would affect the interpretation of in Atom as well... How would it affect Atom? Are you suggesting that some RFC update RFC 4287 to change the syntax of links in Atom? > > The alternative is to say that the 'stylesheet alternate' > > combination isn't specific to how it's serialised, but is tied to > > the occurrence of the links. I.e., when both relations are present > > in links between the same resources, these special semantics take > > affect. However, this does seem to directly conflict with the HTML4 > > language (see link above), so I don't think doing so is viable. Atom cannot express "stylesheet alternate" without defining a new, explicitly-named link relation, since atom:link/@rel cannot contain any spaces. I don't see how that limitation of Atom can removed without breaking many existing Atom processors. This was one of the issues I brought up when arguing against one of the early Link header drafts. Although HTML, Atom, HTTP, and other languages have very similar linking syntax and semantics, there are many important differences that make it impractical to unify them. - Brian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 7 20:47:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E635A3A6E37 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:47:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.426, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5mtjrsIWZe1x for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A303A6DE9 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n383frVt046276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:41:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n383frnq046275; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:41:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n383fpTj046268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mnot@mnot.net) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (unknown [209.131.62.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91554D05A0; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Cc: "'Atom-Syntax Syntax'" Message-Id: <8E67C035-628F-4F31-905D-3C14943FBF19@mnot.net> From: Mark Nottingham To: Brian Smith In-Reply-To: <00b801c9b7f5$bff62560$3fe27020$@mobi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: [link draft] Changing the model for links Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:41:47 +1000 References: <15FB7EB3-6A30-4300-8F99-63FD8084A708@mnot.net> <00b801c9b7f5$bff62560$3fe27020$@mobi> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 08/04/2009, at 12:57 PM, Brian Smith wrote: > Mark Nottingham wrote: >> FYI; this would affect the interpretation of in Atom as >> well... > > How would it affect Atom? 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From: Ian Mayo To: Atom Syntax , atom-protocol@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi all, there seems to be a mismatch between the Atom Syndication Format and the Atom Publication Protocol. Maybe there are lots, but I've stumbled across this one. ASF (4.2.2) says: The "atom:category" element conveys information about a category associated with an entry or feed. Categories the are available for an entry are specified in a categories element in the parent collection/feed. Thus, if a category is available for association with a feed, it's categories descriptor should be specified in the parent element, a workspace in this case. But, APP (8.3.6) says: The "app:categories" element provides a list of the categories that can be applied to the members of a Collection. I'd appreciate clarification on whether I'm interpreting the documents correctly, cheers, Ian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 15 01:02:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE6D3A6874 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:02:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.938 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.938 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.273, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_48=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eYeB2RPaAPx0 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A783A67AA for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3F7tG2s090241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3F7tG5O090239; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail1.webfaction.com (mail1.webfaction.com [67.15.2.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3F7t4jQ090218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sh@defuze.org) Received: from mail1.webfaction.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.webfaction.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n3F7t3fl004008; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:55:03 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by mail1.webfaction.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id n3F7t3MA004006; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:55:03 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: mail1.webfaction.com: apache set sender to sh@defuze.org using -f Received: from 193.253.216.132 (SquirrelMail authenticated user platom_sylvain) by mail1.webfaction.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:55:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <54825.193.253.216.132.1239782103.squirrel@mail1.webfaction.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:55:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Should AtomPub allow app:categories in workspace? From: "Sylvain Hellegouarch" To: "Ian Mayo" Cc: "Atom Syntax" , atom-protocol@imc.org Reply-To: sh@defuze.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-6.el3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > > Hi all, > there seems to be a mismatch between the Atom Syndication Format and > the Atom Publication Protocol. > > Maybe there are lots, but I've stumbled across this one. > > ASF (4.2.2) says: > The "atom:category" element conveys information about a category > associated with an entry or feed. > > Categories the are available for an entry are specified in a > categories element in the parent collection/feed. Thus, if a category > is available for association with a feed, it's categories descriptor > should be specified in the parent element, a workspace in this case. > > But, APP (8.3.6) says: > The "app:categories" element provides a list of the categories that > can be applied to the members of a Collection. > > I'd appreciate clarification on whether I'm interpreting the documents > correctly, > I believe atom:category elements at the feed level are simply undefined from the AtomPub spec. Meaning they don't relate to anything from the service document. - Sylvain -- Sylvain Hellegouarch http://www.defuze.org From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Apr 16 03:32:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD863A6A6E for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:32:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_48=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M4DDMoQ1Nta5 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CE73A6B89 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3GAPbAR005657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3GAPbNY005655; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from spaceymail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3GAPQDM005641 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:25:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eric.scheid@ironclad.net.au) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (eth5126.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net [150.101.116.5]) by spaceymail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAECB16150F for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:25:25 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:25:24 +1000 Subject: Re: Should AtomPub allow app:categories in workspace? From: Eric Scheid To: Atom Syntax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 15/4/09 6:37 AM, "Ian Mayo" wrote: > there seems to be a mismatch between the Atom Syndication Format and > the Atom Publication Protocol. > > Maybe there are lots, but I've stumbled across this one. > > ASF (4.2.2) says: > The "atom:category" element conveys information about a category > associated with an entry or feed. > > Categories the are available for an entry are specified in a > categories element in the parent collection/feed. Thus, if a category > is available for association with a feed, it's categories descriptor > should be specified in the parent element, a workspace in this case. > > But, APP (8.3.6) says: > The "app:categories" element provides a list of the categories that > can be applied to the members of a Collection. > > I'd appreciate clarification on whether I'm interpreting the documents > correctly, The Atom Publication Protocol assumes the existence of a feed/collection as is, and provides no means of interacting with the collection object as an object in it's own right. It's only concerned with adding/editing/deleting *members* of the collections. The fact that the feed, as published and syndicated via ASF, could also have categories is besides the point. You can put things into the bucket, you can take things out of the bucket, but whether the bucket is plastic or steel, or whether it has little duckies painted on the side ... these are besides the point. (That said, some are facilitating creation/editing/etc of feed/collection objects by treating them as _members_ of a larger or meta collection, in which case the feed level atom:category element is simply data in the payload. A perfectly reasonable approach, btw.) (Also, it has been a while so my recollection may be fuzzed) e. 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Apr 30 22:07:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3293A6C05 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.639 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.639 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.640, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KBMGFjQs-jvP for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CA93A68A5 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n414wBex091397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n414wBAK091396; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n414w0hd091386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mnot@mnot.net) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [118.208.158.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 95B64D0501; Fri, 1 May 2009 00:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Mark Nottingham To: cmis-comment@lists.oasis-open.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: Atom-Syntax Syntax Subject: Comments on CMIS link relations Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:57:56 +1000 Cc: Atom-Syntax Syntax X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: [ CC:ing atom-syntax FYI ] CMIS specifies a large number of new link relations for use in Atom. A few comments and questions follow: 1. Each one of the link relations specifies a type of document that it references (with "Mime/Type", although I note that the proper term is media type, and the values given are prose descriptions, not media types). Is the intent here to limit these relations to those types? If so, this is conflating the job of a link relation with a media type. Link relation types should not be specific to any single format. 2. Some of the proposed registrations seem to overlap with existing relation types (e.g., "parents" whereas "up" has already been registered; "repository" where "service" would probably do.). 3. Other proposed registrations seem to be very specific to your use case (e.g., "streams", "allowableactions"). These cases may be better served by using extension relations (i.e., URIs). 4. Of the remaining ones, it does seem like there are some useful things to register (e.g., "child", "latestversion"), but the language shouldn't be specific to your use case; they need to be generic. 5. In case you're not aware, there's a proposal circulating to revise the link relation registration process, as well as provide a framework for them; see . Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/