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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Dec 1 08:07:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603DE3A690A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:07:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.500, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NRf7TtMs7dGf for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9D73A68A9 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB1FtDUZ012060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB1FtDhY012059; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB1Ft1DZ012036 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Dec 2008 15:55:00 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 01 Dec 2008 16:55:00 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/OrgZdwxXO7vstf6UQ8UtpTEEVY0q/rxTmbWzga/ 9A84/Ym4O3n5bd Message-ID: <493408D3.7000307@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:54:59 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" CC: Atom Syntax , www-tag@w3.org, HTML WG Subject: Feedback on draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03, was: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03 References: <20081201010354.644633A6A7D@core3.amsl.com> <6C2ED61A-5AC5-4483-9D45-244A8A095D04@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <6C2ED61A-5AC5-4483-9D45-244A8A095D04@mnot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Mark, here's some feedback on the latest draft...: > 1. Introduction > > This document defines typed link relations, independent of the > context they occur in. It does so by clarifying the status of the > link relation registry established by Atom, and registering in it the > relations that are defined by HTML. I think it does a bit more than "clarifying", as it establishes a new registry. > Furthermore, an HTTP header-field for conveying typed links was > defined in [RFC2068], but removed from [RFC2616], due to a lack of > implementation experience. Since then, several use cases for doing > so have surfaced. However, because it was removed, the status of the > Link header is unclear, leading some to consider minting new > application-specific HTTP headers instead of reusing it. This > document addresses this by re-specifying the Link header with updated > but backwards-compatible syntax. Would it be useful to note that some UAs already support the Link header for linking to stylesheets (I think Opera and Firefox...)? > 5. The Link Header Field > > Link = "Link" ":" #link-value > link-value = "<" URI-Reference ">" *( ";" link-param ) ) > link-param = ( ( "rel" "=" relation-type ) > | ( "rev" "=" relation-type ) > | ( "type" "=" type-name ) > | ( "title" "=" quoted-string ) > | ( link-extension ) ) > link-extension = token [ "=" ( token | quoted-string ) ] > relation-type = URI-Reference | > <"> URI-Reference *( SP URI-Reference) <"> I note that we lost the "anchor" parameter defined in RFC 2068, Section 19.6.2.4, so we are not strictly speaking backwards-compatible... > The title parameter MAY be used to label the destination of a link > such that it can be used as identification within a human-readable > menu. -> s/MAY be/may be/ or /is/ > 6.2. Link Relation Type Registry > > New relation types can be registered by IETF Review, as outlined in > [RFC5226]. Specifications of new values should use the following > template: As far as I understand RFC5226, Section 4.1, this requires an RFC. Is that the intent? > Appendix A. Notes on Using the Link Header with HTML > > > > > > [...] > > > could be represented as a header like this; > > > Link: ; rel="http://example.com/profile1/foo" Maybe use "bar" instead of one of the "foo"s... Also: is this the proposal how to embed full URIs into HTML4? Or should people just use the full URI in the rel value? Other points: - Comparison rules: I understand we only define link comparison for relations used in the HTTP Link header, and the rule is character-by-character, case-sensitive? - We miss a "I18N Considerations" Section. It probably should mention IRIs in general, and how to I18Nize the title parameter (-> RFC 2231???) - Do we need to talk about migration issues from the old base URI to the new base URI? Should both be treated the same when comparing relation values? Best regards, Julian From mx@1.is Mon Dec 1 09:58:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C653A6B6A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:58:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.851 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.851 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC=4.295, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129, HELO_MISMATCH_BR=2.4, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xw-LqCDNvHl8 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 189-30-251-163.paebv701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (unknown [189.74.203.235]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DE70A28C0E6 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:58:50 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: Order status From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081201175852.DE70A28C0E6@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:58:50 -0800 (PST)

From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Dec 1 11:03:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D35F3A6B9C for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:03:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IFIY1klGvEIg for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F163A6843 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB1Iu2Au034281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB1Iu2lc034280; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB1ItojN034235 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:56:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pauld@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB1Itn3a032630 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:49 -0500 Received: from imchub2.MITRE.ORG (imchub2.mitre.org [129.83.29.74]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB1ItnOL032625; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:49 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (172.31.3.19) by imchub2.MITRE.ORG (129.83.29.74) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:49 -0500 Message-ID: <4934332A.4000006@mitre.org> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:38 -0500 From: Paul Denning User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" CC: Atom Syntax , "www-tag@w3.org" , HTML WG , Subject: Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03 References: <20081201010354.644633A6A7D@core3.amsl.com> <6C2ED61A-5AC5-4483-9D45-244A8A095D04@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <6C2ED61A-5AC5-4483-9D45-244A8A095D04@mnot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: [1] http://tinyurl.com/5vueqt [1] http://www.opensearch.org/Specifications/OpenSearch/1.1#Autodiscovery_in_HTML.2FXHTML OpenSearch defines a "search" relation name. Should your document include an entry for "search" in section 6.2 for the initial contents of the Link Relation Type Registry? - Relation Name: search - Description: Refers to a search description document - Reference: [2] [2] "this document" i.e., http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-04 (assuming this idea makes it into rev 04). Note that I did not say "OpenSearch" description document because I can envision other content types (besides application/opensearchdescription+xml) that may become applicable to the "search" relation name. One reason for putting "search" in your internet-draft rather than wait to register it after the registry is established is to make it clear that "search" should not be limited to OpenSearch descriptions. When the element appears in HTML/XHTML in accordance with [1], it also provides a @type attribute. Your document also supports "type" as a link-param. So perhaps an additional appendix can be written to essentially say what I said above; the appendix can reference [1] as an example of a search description document, but make it clear that the "search" relation name should not be limited to OpenSearch. This would also provide the benefit of pointing people to the OpenSearch spec, which may encourage people to consider using OpenSearch (a good thing, IMHO). The name "search" is just too generic to limit it to OpenSearch even though I like OpenSearch and would like to see it used more. I think opensearch v4 is looking at some other relation names also, like "suggestions" [3]. [3] http://tinyurl.com/6xnbuy [3] http://groups.google.com/group/opensearch/browse_thread/thread/b92db46be8cdc52d/f00d21f3287b1a91 Perhaps opensearch v4 should say something about autodiscovery using the HTTP Link Header. Paul On 2008-11-30 20:11, Mark Nottingham wrote: > This is a fairly substantial rewrite of the spec, based upon the > observation that the link header really isn't the central concept > here; it's link relations themselves. > ... 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Dec 1 16:20:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721433A697B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:20:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.917, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kN3xrtXs2YOV for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7513A6887 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB20DHlJ047522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB20DHZK047521; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB20D5QD047511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:13:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mnot@mnot.net) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (unknown [118.208.166.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888F423E4A1; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:13:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" , Atom Syntax , www-tag@w3.org, HTML WG Message-Id: <677AC3C7-EA70-43BD-84CC-B56B1D96D948@mnot.net> From: Mark Nottingham To: Alan Ruttenberg In-Reply-To: <29af5e2d0811302155p789fdfc1ia08485d4782be9e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:13:00 +1100 References: <20081201010354.644633A6A7D@core3.amsl.com> <6C2ED61A-5AC5-4483-9D45-244A8A095D04@mnot.net> <29af5e2d0811301919s3159c526x84810b169580f0ae@mail.gmail.com> <29af5e2d0811302155p789fdfc1ia08485d4782be9e@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Yes, that's explicitly allowed. Cheers, On 01/12/2008, at 4:55 PM, Alan Ruttenberg wrote: > > OK. > If in a link header, do you imagine that relative URI for the target > would be acceptable? > -Alan > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Mark Nottingham > wrote: >> That's true, but it's an example, not a specification; furthermore, >> the head >> section is shown complete (i.e., there is a close tag) without a base >> element... >> >> It's important to differentiate between relative references in the >> relation >> type (e..g, rel) and the target URI. The text about not using in- >> document >> base URIs only applies to the relation type, not the target URI. >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> On 01/12/2008, at 2:19 PM, Alan Ruttenberg wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello Mark, >>> >>> One minor comment concerning the conversion the profile to link. In >>> that example, a relative URI is used as the target of the link. >>> Correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't the html document in which >>> the >>> original link was embedded have had an explicit element? >>> Elsewhere you point out that the document elements can't be >>> used to resolve relative URIs in Link headers. Therefore in some >>> cases >>> the example, if copied literally, would lead to errors. >>> >>> -Alan >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Mark Nottingham >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is a fairly substantial rewrite of the spec, based upon the >>>> observation >>>> that the link header really isn't the central concept here; it's >>>> link >>>> relations themselves. >>>> >>>> Changelog: >>>> >>>> o Inverted focus from Link headers to link relations. >>>> o Specified was a link relation type is. >>>> o Based on discussion, re-added 'rev'. >>>> o Changed IESG Approval to IETF Consensus for relation >>>> registrations >>>> (i.e., require a document). >>>> o Updated RFC2434 reference to RFC5226. >>>> o Registered relations SHOULD conform to sgml-name. >>>> o Cautioned against confusing relation types with media types. >>>> >>>> I'm particularly interested in feedback regarding registration >>>> requirements, >>>> as I think that's the biggest remaining sticking point. Note that >>>> it was >>>> previously "IESG Approval"; I've changed it to "IETF Review" (nee >>>> "IETF >>>> Consensus") so that a document is required. Also, I believe this >>>> still >>>> accommodates other standards orgs (like the W3C) using their >>>> processes to >>>> publish documents that register entries, just as with media types. >>>> >>>> Assuming this is acceptable and no serious shortcomings are found >>>> in this >>>> draft, I think this document is ready to progress; i.e., I believe >>>> (speaking >>>> as an individual) there is consensus within the Atom community to >>>> make >>>> the >>>> registry modifications, and the feedback I've heard from the HTML >>>> community >>>> is that it's not necessary to have a tight integration with HTML4 >>>> or >>>> HTML5. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> From: IETF I-D Submission Tool >>>>> Date: 1 December 2008 12:03:54 PM >>>>> To: mnot@mnot.net >>>>> Subject: New Version Notification for >>>>> draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A new version of I-D, draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03.txt >>>>> has been >>>>> successfuly submitted by Mark Nottingham and posted to the IETF >>>>> repository. >>>>> >>>>> Filename: draft-nottingham-http-link-header >>>>> Revision: 03 >>>>> Title: Link Relations and HTTP Header Linking >>>>> Creation_date: 2008-12-01 >>>>> WG ID: Independent Submission >>>>> Number_of_pages: 15 >>>>> >>>>> Abstract: >>>>> This document specifies relation types for Web links, and >>>>> defines a >>>>> registry for them. It also defines how to send such links in HTTP >>>>> headers with the Link header-field. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The IETF Secretariat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ >> >> > -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Dec 1 18:47:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF983A6AB7 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:47:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ufl1GCp2F4Dl for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6043A6859 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB22eEKi053861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB22eEEA053860; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB22e24l053851 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:40:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from teohuiming.work@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1607831ywr.4 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:40:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=BwLy03ChDszC/U5mqA8y6jeYe8LHJXtMxJLZqz4pezA=; b=K/tSRlaMjt4LNN/fj8LP662ZhgDw54KKJgik6XfCsteZrm4yRcJcRAVv5QAySI9sAY zvZph5AZjrAHx54bo2bQqTapIL/3C+V3YYj7IO/+Ia9jmczKDQxndSuiPekbrvuMNRh/ b/vBX8e+w4zlWvqr1dEqSVT11AVhMyjCrj7pc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=qTv2d4sJLELKr5JI172r/Fo30XjM2+ypfnvCSkpGox2zI8Vqf7jIeMf31pEXryeegN oCWCRYdwbrhrCXJpsvvova118wwdp0BL3935FyGoMTj1OGvpDm2sTq2vvk9l+JFF44s0 q/Xqa9ey5Rzh8OvbeT3ZTgaxzMp+E78/LwHJY= Received: by 10.65.233.16 with SMTP id k16mr12367885qbr.40.1228185601791; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.234.19 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:40:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <73ec599d0812011840u4284a210y9f93b10317a4465d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:40:01 +0800 From: "Teo Hui Ming" To: "Mark Nottingham" Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03 Cc: "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" , "Atom Syntax" , www-tag@w3.org, "HTML WG" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081201010354.644633A6A7D@core3.amsl.com> <6C2ED61A-5AC5-4483-9D45-244A8A095D04@mnot.net> <29af5e2d0811301919s3159c526x84810b169580f0ae@mail.gmail.com> Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Mark, In Section 5 "The Link Header Field", "The context of links conveyed in the Link header field is the representation that the header is part of." "the representation that the header is part of" means entity-body in a HTTP response? -- Teo Hui Ming From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Dec 1 23:41:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD6D3A68D2 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:41:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.139 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.139 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.540, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wu2csTTNRi0j for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:41:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FC93A67CC for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB27WNKZ064680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB27WNA3064679; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB27WAGH064667 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Dec 2008 07:32:09 -0000 Received: from p508FD077.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.22]) [80.143.208.119] by mail.gmx.net (mp043) with SMTP; 02 Dec 2008 08:32:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19HQIp7bI1HUKrdvaHYvQ8pySvDTVmNahzEudy6LJ 9M5cn5vN4xkOxf Message-ID: <4934E31D.5040609@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:26:21 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teo Hui Ming CC: Mark Nottingham , "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" , Atom Syntax , www-tag@w3.org, HTML WG Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03 References: <20081201010354.644633A6A7D@core3.amsl.com> <6C2ED61A-5AC5-4483-9D45-244A8A095D04@mnot.net> <29af5e2d0811301919s3159c526x84810b169580f0ae@mail.gmail.com> <73ec599d0812011840u4284a210y9f93b10317a4465d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <73ec599d0812011840u4284a210y9f93b10317a4465d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.66 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Teo Hui Ming wrote: > Hi Mark, > > In Section 5 "The Link Header Field", > "The context of links conveyed in the Link header field is the > representation that the header is part of." > > "the representation that the header is part of" means entity-body in a > HTTP response? Almost: "entity The information transferred as the payload of a request or response. An entity consists of metainformation in the form of entity-header fields and content in the form of an entity-body, as described in Section 7." -- BR, Julian From kohnoa@aiphone.co.jp Tue Dec 2 05:26:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160193A68DB for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:26:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -30.995 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-30.995 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HpPnCJv-Y2as for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from aliafor.com (unknown [89.6.5.85]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5100A3A657C for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:26:43 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: Order status From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081202132644.5100A3A657C@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:26:43 -0800 (PST)

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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Dec 3 05:35:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB413A69E0 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:35:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZwnzwpEsnvSN for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967CE3A6968 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB3DOAM0061519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB3DOA3v061518; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.158]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB3DNwoX061506 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:24:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pjkeane@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so2085091yxh.4 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:23:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=PXaXlMjkDYOVyDjFS7dZd7g7jzrOqz+oZmXNZAsFiMM=; b=gOwhopb/DYQh3BCz2hbflvWtGL3M8A5Vvor9yJ4+PRH5NA3Z4zi40rxuvNXuUuFGEa 9Cwau/ZgCRtd1mLCgRMbxe9WT+tOdTObUEMk0gj9ejLO/ALYCNnm6uoc/1+Dljnmn5+O QP6k4zXrNyXrbZD/t+scUa0qoeVqrAXU5bPSw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=rx5g9u5tIp+rqruucwvPAImQzDyJzTpagEgItJQND+7X3HvK/F8hbzHhOMoJhZ1Lv2 YX0md02O/9BySLkq9YOjByyxuRkGDStYczJZCUngLwpergMQF7WTUpMxsHYAdvrGgydw I5ux1xCjUxeEpebeomjmv+VLHcIaDqbCr2a8k= Received: by 10.142.134.17 with SMTP id h17mr3299008wfd.127.1228310637716; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.213.4 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:23:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:23:57 +0000 From: "Peter Keane" To: Atom-Syntax , pkeane@mail.utexas.edu Subject: Relating Atom Resources w/ Category & Link MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4210d44fce94f879 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In an eternal quest to find a simple way to express relationships/hierachies among atom resources (entries), I have come up with the following. My criteria: - simple to manage w/ the RDBMS backend - straightforward to express w/ standard atom constructs - relatively easy to manipulate w/ AtomPub The basic idea is that a link and a category will share the same URI for the link@rel and category@scheme. The parent has the link, the children have the category. The category@term is the atom id of the parent, and the link@href expresses a search over the category scheme, filtered by the parent id. For example, a set of entries in a Art & Art History Collection, one concerning the artist, and two about individual works: tag:example.com/000123 Vincent Van Gogh essay about Van Gogh... tag:example.com/000124 Harvest in Provence Vincent Van Gogh essay about this painting... tag:example.com/000125 The Sower Vincent Van Gogh essay about this painting... I can now use AtomPub to add or remove by simply PUTting the entry with/without proper category. (There'll be some service doc & category doc choreography to make most of this discoverable). I am less concerned about fully functional interop, more concerned with an extensible method to do these sorts of operations w/ standard atom tools. Evil hack? Any other thoughts? --peter keane From koops@activeinfo.nl Wed Dec 3 05:49:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E015C3A6A00 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:49:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -23.839 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-23.839 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gg-dX22Iwwjl for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from athedsl-4371594.home.otenet.gr (athedsl-374284.home.otenet.gr [79.131.14.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 196113A69EA for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:49:23 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: RE: Message From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081203134924.196113A69EA@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:49:23 -0800 (PST)

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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Dec 3 09:17:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829FF3A68B4 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:17:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MGqsN3QpeG0Q for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D103A6AD6 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB3HAff4076743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:10:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB3HAf8X076742; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:10:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rgminet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB3HATVW076708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:10:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nikunj.mehta@oracle.com) Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3HAqHZ018176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:10:53 GMT Received: from acsmt704.oracle.com (acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3HAUlN029603; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:10:33 GMT Received: from dhcp-4op5-4op6-west-144-25-174-134.usdhcp.oraclecorp.com (/144.25.174.134) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:10:22 -0800 Cc: Atom-Syntax Message-Id: <81FE3F57-4B50-4220-8930-59596432FEDD@oracle.com> From: Nikunj Mehta To: Peter Keane In-Reply-To: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Relating Atom Resources w/ Category & Link Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:00:34 -0800 References: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Source-IP: acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010201.4936BD83.002E:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Some time back, there was a discussion about hierarchy among Atom resources [1]. The approach you describe here will work for relationships but not for hierarchies. A minor issue in this approach is that you can't navigate back to the artist entry having seen a work entry. I would also like to see what kind of discovery mechanisms you are suggesting, although these are mostly only required for interop. When dealing with hierarchies, I posit the following requirements: 1. Hierarchies follow a strict containment model. This means removal of a node in the hierarchy should remove the descendants of that node. 2. Navigation is possible in both directions 3. When manipulating nodes in the hierarchy, URLs are used to provide navigation context. As an example, if I were to create a work for Vincent Van Gogh, the URL where I post must implicitly constrain me to only that artist and no additional data should be required in the 'work' entry being created. For interop, I posit additional requirements: 1. There should be a way to discover whether a collection understands the notion of hierarchies. 2. Relations that are hierarchical in nature must be explicitly identified as so. What does everyone here think about their requirements and those noted here? Nikunj On Dec 3, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Peter Keane wrote: > > In an eternal quest to find a simple way to express > relationships/hierachies among atom resources (entries), I have come > up with the following. My criteria: > > - simple to manage w/ the RDBMS backend > - straightforward to express w/ standard atom constructs > - relatively easy to manipulate w/ AtomPub > > The basic idea is that a link and a category will share the same URI > for the link@rel and category@scheme. The parent has the link, the > children have the category. The category@term is the atom id of the > parent, and the link@href expresses a search over the category scheme, > filtered by the parent id. > > For example, a set of entries in a Art & Art History Collection, one > concerning the artist, and two about individual works: > > > > > tag:example.com/000123 > Vincent Van Gogh > essay about Van Gogh... > href="http://example.com/link/artist_works?term=tag:example.com/000123 > " > type="application/atom+xml" > title="Artist Works: Vincent Van Gogh"/> > > > > > > tag:example.com/000124 > Harvest in Provence > Vincent Van Gogh > essay about this painting... > term="tag:example.com/000123"/> > > > tag:example.com/000125 > The Sower > Vincent Van Gogh > essay about this painting... > term="tag:example.com/000123"/> > > > I can now use AtomPub to add or remove by simply PUTting the entry > with/without proper category. (There'll be some service doc & category > doc choreography to make most of this discoverable). > > I am less concerned about fully functional interop, more concerned > with an extensible method to do these sorts of operations w/ standard > atom tools. > > Evil hack? Any other thoughts? > > --peter keane > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Dec 3 09:18:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B9E3A6B53 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:18:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UoRwRv0l-lyA for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70973A6B37 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB3HAhBi076753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB3HAhUG076751; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rgminet11.oracle.com (rcsinet11.oracle.com [148.87.113.123]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB3HAVY2076715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:10:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nikunj.mehta@oracle.com) Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3HBNLr019871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:11:25 GMT Received: from acsmt704.oracle.com (acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3HAY9e029715; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:10:35 GMT Received: from dhcp-4op5-4op6-west-144-25-174-134.usdhcp.oraclecorp.com (/144.25.174.134) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:10:26 -0800 Cc: Atom-Syntax Message-Id: From: Nikunj Mehta To: Peter Keane In-Reply-To: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Relating Atom Resources w/ Category & Link Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:48 -0800 References: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Source-IP: acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010205.4936BD84.0028:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Some time back, there was a discussion about hierarchy among Atom resources [1]. The approach you describe here will work for relationships but not for hierarchies. A minor issue in this approach is that you can't navigate back to the artist entry having seen a work entry. I would also like to see what kind of discovery mechanisms you are suggesting, although these are mostly only required for interop. When dealing with hierarchies, I posit the following requirements: 1. Hierarchies follow a strict containment model. This means removal of a node in the hierarchy should remove the descendants of that node. 2. Navigation is possible in both directions 3. When manipulating nodes in the hierarchy, URLs are used to provide navigation context. As an example, if I were to create a work for Vincent Van Gogh, the URL where I post must implicitly constrain me to only that artist and no additional data should be required in the 'work' entry being created. For interop, I posit additional requirements: 1. There should be a way to discover whether a collection understands the notion of hierarchies. 2. Relations that are hierarchical in nature must be explicitly identified as so. What does everyone here think about their requirements and those noted here? Nikunj [1] http://www.imc.org/atom-protocol/mail-archive/msg11259.html On Dec 3, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Peter Keane wrote: > > In an eternal quest to find a simple way to express > relationships/hierachies among atom resources (entries), I have come > up with the following. My criteria: > > - simple to manage w/ the RDBMS backend > - straightforward to express w/ standard atom constructs > - relatively easy to manipulate w/ AtomPub > > The basic idea is that a link and a category will share the same URI > for the link@rel and category@scheme. The parent has the link, the > children have the category. The category@term is the atom id of the > parent, and the link@href expresses a search over the category scheme, > filtered by the parent id. > > For example, a set of entries in a Art & Art History Collection, one > concerning the artist, and two about individual works: > > > > > tag:example.com/000123 > Vincent Van Gogh > essay about Van Gogh... > href="http://example.com/link/artist_works?term=tag:example.com/000123 > " > type="application/atom+xml" > title="Artist Works: Vincent Van Gogh"/> > > > > > > tag:example.com/000124 > Harvest in Provence > Vincent Van Gogh > essay about this painting... > term="tag:example.com/000123"/> > > > tag:example.com/000125 > The Sower > Vincent Van Gogh > essay about this painting... > term="tag:example.com/000123"/> > > > I can now use AtomPub to add or remove by simply PUTting the entry > with/without proper category. (There'll be some service doc & category > doc choreography to make most of this discoverable). > > I am less concerned about fully functional interop, more concerned > with an extensible method to do these sorts of operations w/ standard > atom tools. > > Evil hack? Any other thoughts? > > --peter keane > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Dec 3 11:02:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69BD3A67E4 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.677 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.677 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, J_CHICKENPOX_48=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6JAV1ABEnpT6 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74353A67E2 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB3Ir1bP083056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB3Ir1No083055; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB3IqnW8083042 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:53:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pjkeane@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2185192ywr.4 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:52:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=fe0oHtxFZRtBCtWkoCXZ7UJrHZO49sttxGdxTQBZDgI=; b=uI47w/PPr5CUiM1H057ikjrwJV54HvUJLqkmm6EhKkdX4ODwaYdtt2qQhNhgTKO0Wp gLA68nFlTkzYFXHiG5ZVEgZr1i32Cl0V4D2uCwaOxNcuBuWDsZkIp2M+tjEl5op5VYyI m7HfcvC0QNus49UWJb9OWTSCzQPGycXrOCA48= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nFJI1itcaONID5BKgbrW66jIpDB8jGbyIg9EoMryn1RgpyL+cJhUoxYSibfrR59yZX 6WdfBJ/7CsQLuixZ74CU37PQoq9gAZeI+F2JzgNRYs7n38NR7nBVYxSv4Qh6D4n4Hvn7 CGhgAX29V2xy0PKRr7L00osWqHFHeMp48kO80= Received: by 10.103.247.14 with SMTP id z14mr6336025mur.70.1228330368563; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.11.18 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:52:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8158ad750812031052k566240eeqce0f67b8a62db1cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:52:48 -0600 From: "Peter Keane" To: "Nikunj Mehta" Subject: Re: Relating Atom Resources w/ Category & Link Cc: Atom-Syntax , work In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 61c24ed8a4344cad Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Nikunj- On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Nikunj Mehta wrote: > Some time back, there was a discussion about hierarchy among Atom resources > [1]. The approach you describe here will work for relationships but not for > hierarchies. Perhaps I should not use the term hierarchy, but rather "one-to-many" relationships. These relationship are extrinsic to the resources (entries), and may be formed or dissolved with no effect on the resources themselves. >A minor issue in this approach is that you can't navigate back > to the artist entry having seen a work entry. I would also like to see what > kind of discovery mechanisms you are suggesting, although these are mostly > only required for interop. Yes, my plan is definitely optimized for navigating from the parent to the child. It would not be too difficult to generate an "up" link for the child entries, though. I might mention...the system itself has the idea of an entry "type" -- expressed as atom:category@scheme="http://.....item/type". (An entry's "type" can be altered with an AtomPub-style "PUT". ) The system allows for parent-child relationships between these types, a relationshp expressed as the shared URI I mentioned in my example. So if I create an entry and declare it of type "work", I can retrieve a feed of all of the possible parents of that entry. In the case of my example, I create a "work" entry, and when I go back to edit it in a web browser, I can display a pull-down list of artists. Selecting Van Gogh assigns the category (as described in the example) to the work. And following the link from the Van Gogh entry automatically now includes that work. For discovery, I would include in each entry a link@rel=service. Depending on the "type" of the entry, that service document might describe (w/ a categories document) all of the artists I could assign to it (if it is a work entry) OR a collection that I can post to (if it is an artist entry) with a required category with the correct scheme/term. > > When dealing with hierarchies, I posit the following requirements: > > 1. Hierarchies follow a strict containment model. This means removal of a > node in the hierarchy should remove the descendants of that node. For many use cases, I am sure this is important, but it is explicitly not a requirement for my use case(s) -- relationships are superimposed, not intrinsic to the resources. I think this jibes with Atom semantics (or lack thereof!) -- there's no innate notion of hierarchy. > 2. Navigation is possible in both directions > 3. When manipulating nodes in the hierarchy, URLs are used to provide > navigation context. As an example, if I were to create a work for Vincent > Van Gogh, the URL where I post must implicitly constrain me to only that > artist and no additional data should be required in the 'work' entry being > created. Indeed, as described above, the service doc linked from the Van Gogh entry would define an AtomPub collection that would only accept entries w/ the proper atom:category pointing it back to the Artist. In my use case, I will also need to be able to create entries before I know to what artist they are connected (thus the larger collection space -- defined by the "Art & Art History Collection", accepts atom "work" entries that do not assert a relationship w/ an Artist). In many cases, the resources in question will already exist before I denote a relationship to a "parent". > > For interop, I posit additional requirements: > 1. There should be a way to discover whether a collection understands the > notion of hierarchies. > 2. Relations that are hierarchical in nature must be explicitly identified > as so. > I'll need to ponder these a bit.... Certainly my use case is (I think) different enough from the use case underlying the I-D you linked to in the previous post (which I liked quite a lot, in fact) to warrant a different approach. --peter > What does everyone here think about their requirements and those noted here? > > Nikunj > > [1] http://www.imc.org/atom-protocol/mail-archive/msg11259.html > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Peter Keane wrote: > >> >> In an eternal quest to find a simple way to express >> relationships/hierachies among atom resources (entries), I have come >> up with the following. My criteria: >> >> - simple to manage w/ the RDBMS backend >> - straightforward to express w/ standard atom constructs >> - relatively easy to manipulate w/ AtomPub >> >> The basic idea is that a link and a category will share the same URI >> for the link@rel and category@scheme. The parent has the link, the >> children have the category. The category@term is the atom id of the >> parent, and the link@href expresses a search over the category scheme, >> filtered by the parent id. >> >> For example, a set of entries in a Art & Art History Collection, one >> concerning the artist, and two about individual works: >> >> >> >> >> tag:example.com/000123 >> Vincent Van Gogh >> essay about Van Gogh... >> > >> href="http://example.com/link/artist_works?term=tag:example.com/000123" >> type="application/atom+xml" >> title="Artist Works: Vincent Van Gogh"/> >> >> >> >> >> >> tag:example.com/000124 >> Harvest in Provence >> Vincent Van Gogh >> essay about this painting... >> > term="tag:example.com/000123"/> >> >> >> tag:example.com/000125 >> The Sower >> Vincent Van Gogh >> essay about this painting... >> > term="tag:example.com/000123"/> >> >> >> I can now use AtomPub to add or remove by simply PUTting the entry >> with/without proper category. (There'll be some service doc & category >> doc choreography to make most of this discoverable). >> >> I am less concerned about fully functional interop, more concerned >> with an extensible method to do these sorts of operations w/ standard >> atom tools. >> >> Evil hack? Any other thoughts? >> >> --peter keane >> > > From mcharrisnn@af.pentagon.mil Wed Dec 3 13:19:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2B43A6A63 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -23.124 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-23.124 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M0wQXbs6q7st for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4FD60C22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (p4FD60C22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.214.12.34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BD083A67ED for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:19:41 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081203211942.9BD083A67ED@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:19:41 -0800 (PST)

From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Dec 4 06:58:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0ED13A6B07 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:58:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X9fvvuSni5tx for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348AF3A6B30 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB4EisEg047320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB4EisGm047319; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id mB4EigMc047305 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:44:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Dec 2008 14:44:41 -0000 Received: from static-87-79-236-202.netcologne.de (EHLO klangraum) [87.79.236.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 04 Dec 2008 15:44:41 +0100 X-Authenticated: #163624 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19yYw59TPlyo3qQLW+HG/r1wlD18fz/vVeMpHV4d7 0X+gVXIitGJT8Q Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:44:39 +0100 From: Aristotle Pagaltzis To: Atom-Syntax Subject: Re: Relating Atom Resources w/ Category & Link Message-ID: <20081204144439.GF19319@klangraum.plasmasturm.org> Mail-Followup-To: Atom-Syntax References: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.71 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Peter, * Peter Keane [2008-12-03 14:35]: > Evil hack? Any other thoughts? hack yes, but not evil, I think. It has some elegance, actually. I canâ€™t think of any problems that would crop up with it in practice, but Iâ€™m not at all sure that Iâ€™m not missing something blindingly obvious, so I donâ€™t want to commit to yay or nay. But if you do go ahead with it, Iâ€™d be interested to hear about how it turns out. Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Dec 4 09:20:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB43B3A6A27 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:20:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hH8stNezmDqZ for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4AF3A68ED for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB4HCxiV059254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB4HCxEL059253; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-qy0-f20.google.com (mail-qy0-f20.google.com [209.85.221.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB4HCmsb059220 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so7124037qyk.10 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:12:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=woLGCkZ/29HP3FzqRQROTMVe1QMKxEsZiX18Ke73TwM=; b=GY/UxMaWUreloSumfkoHa1PfhMGQhKzGAOy2ioru8vBDvQ3frMJQcua12h8LrtnXL2 WzioEwmJgjCMyB0fPxZk49JZVFst0ZYOJsPtoChVCWDHm8NeY9WK+pQ8arHFQh9JtfNg oZHrd/x6D/Jr6Wdu8wDtfIaKuIQPmYoc9tELg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mC6BlPqZJ71qmXVWffFoI5lPwU2Ef1hZTsaeXhLSSd54rgcvs/mFyi5MHYNp94SIqC OUVb4FNUrilkKFYc9+oli0wfYIFadvPE55lAHRf2ecBO3LO8nhmUcipo5KbfcP0k1D+s hsRweKiATPzNdKnSYmTMQ/ja1g/GT/TWCI9Wg= Received: by 10.214.218.8 with SMTP id q8mr15108205qag.301.1228410767985; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.102? (c-98-224-93-96.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.224.93.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm8537727qwj.53.2008.12.04.09.12.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:12:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49380F8E.4010504@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:12:46 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Keane CC: Atom-Syntax Subject: Re: Relating Atom Resources w/ Category & Link References: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8158ad750812030523m1353d988o26b4000630575d68@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: At first glance, this would appear to be a rather good approach. - James Peter Keane wrote: > In an eternal quest to find a simple way to express > relationships/hierachies among atom resources (entries), I have come > up with the following. My criteria: > > - simple to manage w/ the RDBMS backend > - straightforward to express w/ standard atom constructs > - relatively easy to manipulate w/ AtomPub > > The basic idea is that a link and a category will share the same URI > for the link@rel and category@scheme. The parent has the link, the > children have the category. The category@term is the atom id of the > parent, and the link@href expresses a search over the category scheme, > filtered by the parent id. > > For example, a set of entries in a Art & Art History Collection, one > concerning the artist, and two about individual works: > > > > > tag:example.com/000123 > Vincent Van Gogh > essay about Van Gogh... > href="http://example.com/link/artist_works?term=tag:example.com/000123" > type="application/atom+xml" > title="Artist Works: Vincent Van Gogh"/> > > > > > > tag:example.com/000124 > Harvest in Provence > Vincent Van Gogh > essay about this painting... > term="tag:example.com/000123"/> > > > tag:example.com/000125 > The Sower > Vincent Van Gogh > essay about this painting... > term="tag:example.com/000123"/> > > > I can now use AtomPub to add or remove by simply PUTting the entry > with/without proper category. (There'll be some service doc & category > doc choreography to make most of this discoverable). > > I am less concerned about fully functional interop, more concerned > with an extensible method to do these sorts of operations w/ standard > atom tools. > > Evil hack? Any other thoughts? > > --peter keane > > > From jessica@accupoint.com Thu Dec 4 14:04:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723A03A6B73 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:04:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ux-e5gykucS5 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from alusa.cl (unknown [189.83.62.46]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BD173A6A64 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:04:05 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Your order From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081204220406.6BD173A6A64@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:04:05 -0800 (PST)

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To: Atom Syntax Message-id: <76A63B02-FCEE-4AAA-8811-4D244243ECAD@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Content-type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Is there a best practice for this? I.e., where entries in a feed are tagged somehow with a geographic location. -Tim From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Dec 7 11:32:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15013A691C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:32:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hPUMPijlKbcI for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9D23A689C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB7JPtkY007891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB7JPtir007890; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail1.webfaction.com (mail1.webfaction.com [67.15.2.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB7JPier007876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sh@defuze.org) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail1.webfaction.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mB7JPehF023367 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:25:43 -0600 Message-ID: <493C2331.2010400@defuze.org> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:25:37 +0100 From: Sylvain Hellegouarch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Atom Syntax Subject: Re: Geotagging Atom feeds? References: <76A63B02-FCEE-4AAA-8811-4D244243ECAD@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <76A63B02-FCEE-4AAA-8811-4D244243ECAD@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Tim, Tim Bray a écrit : > > Is there a best practice for this? I.e., where entries in a feed are > tagged somehow with a geographic location. -Tim I tend to put a point using the georss namespace. It seems to be rather widespread. http://georss.org/ - Sylvain From krissieqq@advlearn.com Sun Dec 7 12:36:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5713A6942 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:36:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -18.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-18.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_60=1, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3PzdaEvWLNlh for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-221-91-104-200.cm.vtr.net (pc-221-91-104-200.cm.vtr.net [200.104.91.221]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C0883A6851 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081207203604.4C0883A6851@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:36:03 -0800 (PST)

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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Dec 7 15:15:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B135C3A69EE for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:15:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k620A6PA26zG for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D34D3A67C1 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB7N2bm7019349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB7N2bEX019348; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.frii.com (phobos01.frii.com [216.17.128.161]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB7N2Pel019338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sgillies@frii.com) Received: from [192.168.118.104] (dsl-228-50.dynamic-dsl.frii.net [216.17.228.50]) by mail.frii.com (FRII) with ESMTP id 2840D679A8 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:02:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <493C55FA.9050407@frii.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:02:18 -0700 From: Sean Gillies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Atom Syntax Subject: Re: Geotagging Atom feeds? References: <76A63B02-FCEE-4AAA-8811-4D244243ECAD@sun.com> <493C2331.2010400@defuze.org> In-Reply-To: <493C2331.2010400@defuze.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Sylvain Hellegouarch wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > Tim Bray a écrit : >> >> Is there a best practice for this? I.e., where entries in a feed are >> tagged somehow with a geographic location. -Tim > > I tend to put a point using the georss namespace. It seems to be rather > widespread. > > http://georss.org/ > > - Sylvain > > I'm curious which one of the simple or GML forms of GeoRSS will appeal more to the Atom community. To me, the latter often feels too verbose, akin to expressing dates with a hierarchy of year, month, day elements. The former omits the georss:where element, which dovetails with Atom's time elements. FWIW, I've made a patch to feedparser.py that parses either: http://code.google.com/p/feedparser/issues/detail?id=62 Sean From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Dec 7 16:56:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41923A67FF for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:56:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JdGqLOB7ggtq for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDF43A67A4 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB80iL2e024490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB80iLbJ024489; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB80iAnl024476 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from j4_james@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.152.19]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:44:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:44:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 87.82.14.202 by BAY141-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:44:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [87.82.14.202] X-Originating-Email: [j4_james@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j4_james@hotmail.com From: "James Holderness" To: "Atom Syntax" References: <76A63B02-FCEE-4AAA-8811-4D244243ECAD@sun.com> Subject: Re: Geotagging Atom feeds? Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:44:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2008 00:44:10.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[156AD540:01C958CE] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Tim Bray wrote: > Is there a best practice for this? I.e., where entries in a feed are > tagged somehow with a geographic location. -Tim FWIW, flickr uses both a simple georss[1] point element as well as the W3C basic geo[2] lat and long elements (not enclosed in a Point). Regards James [1] http://georss.org/ [2] http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/ From mail@acagliari.com Sun Dec 7 18:16:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2DD3A69B3 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:16:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -32.223 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-32.223 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_60=1, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RX1om8YvM6Nz for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from athedsl-165398.home.otenet.gr (athedsl-165398.home.otenet.gr [85.75.189.180]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D93EF3A6A1C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:15:50 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081208021551.D93EF3A6A1C@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:15:50 -0800 (PST)

From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Dec 7 20:30:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7D63A635F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:30:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.376 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.376 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_48=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k+IWYXXUGFiI for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3DE3A67FD for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB84I5lG036955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:18:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB84I5Zq036954; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:18:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB84Hq3e036937 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:18:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pjkeane@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so994207wfc.28 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:17:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=6ha5Yjyl9UEWmsKASfHG3ulrovs7ZWwAR5DHJbTPtJ0=; b=rP2z0JlzlDW/zNgfbhYR4Hl2957krZzMntcmWn7U3HNeg2yp6COKJ9CYezZHGp76Qj DeNSoL9FjalhS5SVgBaTywWG25yB+U/m0jdp5MgGXY32LwQAfW1CRozPbUhTybJbefW3 +pO0FGixqTuyM6YGQaPCLdy5RodXPLVf8Hlk8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=ssiEP5gm2mExJFpw4cRzYZs2BCGw/pYEa18Gxx7B37VOd+WGGiztFzWS8lkhJnNZ+s XI862pPS0m/EWE1MNQ5i4O7hg1u5jRwJUvrULMTmJeLO3K8MWqlOpCx1uxMoQOWMd8R4 EwPO65NP00P8JFa65lDgy7nQyzuIYi79fk2TY= Received: by 10.142.134.17 with SMTP id h17mr1280559wfd.228.1228709871897; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.148.8 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:17:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8158ad750812072017h3468a4d9i73f7f9aa452cde60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:17:51 +0000 From: "Peter Keane" To: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: text in atom:category? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_61346_15342282.1228709871913" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e426d2bfff892f4 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: ------=_Part_61346_15342282.1228709871913 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am getting an error from the feedvalidator for text in the atom:category element: siberian husky But the spec says it "assigns no meaning to the content" and the RNC seems to allow it. I'd like to use atom:category here instead of: siberian husky which DOES validate. BTW, the example comes from Alex Milowski's paper [1] from Baliasge, which makes extensive use of text w/in atom:category (and it's quite handy). --peter keane [1] http://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/html/2008/Milowski01/Balisage2008-Milowski01.html ------=_Part_61346_15342282.1228709871913 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am getting an error from the feedvalidator for text in the atom:category element:

<category term='breed'>siberian husky</category>

But the spec says it "assigns no meaning to the content" and the 

RNC seems to allow it.  I'd like to use atom:category here instead of:

<x:breed>siberian husky</breed> 

which DOES validate.

BTW, the example comes from Alex Milowski's paper [1] from Baliasge, 

which makes extensive use of text w/in atom:category (and it's quite handy).

--peter keane 

[1] http://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/html/2008/Milowski01/Balisage2008-Milowski01.html

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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Dec 7 22:32:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56B03A69D5 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:32:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_48=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hS0jqWDwKSOs for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504BB3A6853 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB86L2gj042629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id mB86L2V2042628; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from spaceymail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB86KpEJ042617 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eric.scheid@ironclad.net.au) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (eth5126.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net [150.101.116.5]) by spaceymail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AF7CA800 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:20:51 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:20:52 +1100 Subject: Re: text in atom:category? From: Eric Scheid To: Atom Syntax Message-ID: