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When a feed is paged according to RFC 5023 and someone requests a particular page in the feed, should the ID element and “self” link include the page number?

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Thanks,

Matt.

--Boundary_(ID_jabgQtt1A7iA9DUBWnV2Qw)-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 12 15:31:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Irfw9-0003rl-Tl for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:31:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Irfw6-0003ab-Bv for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:31:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lACKGDLW030914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:16:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lACKGDpT030913; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:16:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id lACKGBoE030906 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:16:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Nov 2007 20:16:09 -0000 Received: from static-87-79-236-202.netcologne.de (EHLO klangraum) [87.79.236.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 12 Nov 2007 21:16:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #163624 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Vqc1RvGiVTewKpiH+6/fHMIcbJe/YHSRg0O5iPl yakhTflHvhZ+ne Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:16:08 +0100 From: "A. Pagaltzis" To: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question Message-ID: <20071112201608.GF20669@klangraum> Mail-Followup-To: atom-syntax@imc.org References: <249DC7180F301445BCA2E01EAAFDF40907B3CF0C@emss04m05.us.lmco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <249DC7180F301445BCA2E01EAAFDF40907B3CF0C@emss04m05.us.lmco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id lACKGDLW030914 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 * Becker, Matthew R [2007-11-12 20:55]: > When a feed is paged according to RFC 5023 and someone requests > a particular page in the feed, should the ID element and "self" > link include the page number? No. Most certainly the `self` link should not, as it=E2=80=99s supposed to be the address that aggregators subscribe to; you=E2=80=99re very unlikely to want aggregators to subscribe to the 10th page of a paged feed. For the feed ID it=E2=80=99s not always quite clear-cut when it should be the same and when it should differ, but in this particular case it is obviously the same feed and hence should have the same ID. (Note well that the feed ID may well be entirely opaque with no way to include arbitrary information, such as a UUID.) Regards, --=20 Aristotle Pagaltzis // From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 12 23:39:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrnYO-0005YN-B6 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:39:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrnYJ-0002xj-N2 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:39:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAD4Qi3Z065593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAD4Qis0065592; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ironclad.net.au ([203.30.247.11]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id lAD4Qg8W065570 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eric.scheid@ironclad.net.au) Received: from [203.30.247.18] ([203.30.247.18] verified) by ironclad.net.au (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.1903742525 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:26:10 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:44:33 +1100 Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question From: Eric Scheid To: Atom Syntax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20071112201608.GF20669@klangraum> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by balder-227.proper.com id lAD4Qi8W065586 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id lAD4Qi3Z065593 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 > For the feed ID it=B9s not always quite clear-cut when it should be > the same and when it should differ, but in this particular case > it is obviously the same feed and hence should have the same ID. > (Note well that the feed ID may well be entirely opaque with no > way to include arbitrary information, such as a UUID.) Note too that the feed ID is the way you know that the page of atom entri= es retrieved from [1] is from the same feed as the page of atom entries retrieved from [2]. e. [1] some opaque URL, details not important [2] some other opaque URL, which apart from and despite being opaque does= n't otherwise suggest any relationship to [1] at all From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 13 05:44:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrtG3-0005Kk-OC for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:44:39 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrtFy-0004tx-Lg for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:44:39 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lADARK4l090390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:27:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lADARKbv090389; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.221]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lADARJop090383 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from peaceable_whale@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-DS2 ([65.55.133.29]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:27:19 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [61.238.43.155] X-Originating-Email: [peaceable_whale@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Franklin Tse" To: "Atom Syntax" In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:27:11 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original X-Unsent: 1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2007 10:27:19.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[C50B0E70:01C825DF] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id lADARK4l090390 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 However, RFC 5005 does not say that the atom:feed/atom:id should be the s= ame=20 in the same set of paged feeds/archived feeds. It only says: A paged feed is a set of linked feed documents that together contain the entries of a logical feed, without any guarantees about the stability of each document's contents. An archived feed is a set of feed documents that can be combined to accurately reconstruct the entries of a logical feed. In section 4.2.6 of RFC 4287: The "atom:id" element conveys a permanent, universally unique identifier for an entry or feed. When an Atom Document is relocated, migrated, syndicated, republished, exported, or imported, the content of its atom:id element MUST NOT change. Put another way, an atom:id element pertains to all instantiations of a particular Atom entry or feed; revisions retain the same content in their atom:id elements. It is suggested that the atom:id element be stored along with the associated resource. The content of an atom:id element MUST be created in a way that assures uniqueness. In section 2 of RFC 4287: This specification describes two kinds of Atom Documents: Atom Feed Documents and Atom Entry Documents. An Atom Feed Document is a representation of an Atom feed, including metadata about the feed, and some or all of the entries associated with it. Its root is the atom:feed element. It looks that each Atom feed document should have its own id in RFC 4287.= .. -Franklin -------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Scheid" Date: Tuesday, 13 November, 2007 09:44 To: "Atom Syntax" Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question > >> For the feed ID it=C2=B9s not always quite clear-cut when it should be >> the same and when it should differ, but in this particular case >> it is obviously the same feed and hence should have the same ID. >> (Note well that the feed ID may well be entirely opaque with no >> way to include arbitrary information, such as a UUID.) > > Note too that the feed ID is the way you know that the page of atom=20 > entries > retrieved from [1] is from the same feed as the page of atom entries > retrieved from [2]. > > e. > > [1] some opaque URL, details not important > [2] some other opaque URL, which apart from and despite being opaque=20 > doesn't > otherwise suggest any relationship to [1] at all > > >=20 From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 13 06:43:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IruB7-0005uM-6n for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:43:37 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IruB3-0006YF-QH for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:43:37 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lADBTQjY095626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lADBTQlG095625; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ironclad.net.au ([203.30.247.11]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id lADBTOZw095550 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eric.scheid@ironclad.net.au) Received: from [203.30.247.18] ([203.30.247.18] verified) by ironclad.net.au (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.1903745323 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:28:51 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:28:53 +1100 Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question From: Eric Scheid To: Atom Syntax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a On 13/11/07 9:27 PM, "Franklin Tse" wrote: > In section 2 of RFC 4287: > >> An Atom Feed Document is a representation of an Atom feed, including >> metadata about the feed, and some or all of the entries associated >> with it. Its root is the atom:feed element. > > It looks that each Atom feed document should have its own id in RFC 4287... hmmm ... no, because atom:id at the feed level would then be data in the feed document, not metadata about the logical feed. The value of atom:id is the id of the feed resource, which then has parts of itself instantiated in atom feed documents. > RFC 5005 > An archived feed is a set of feed documents that can be combined to > accurately reconstruct the entries of a logical feed. > > In section 4.2.6 of RFC 4287: > > The "atom:id" element conveys a permanent, universally unique > identifier for an entry or feed. that refers to the logical entry/feed resource, not various representations and instantiations of that resource, IMHO. e. From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 13 06:47:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IruFG-0002Ol-65 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:47:54 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IruFC-0006gb-J9 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:47:54 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lADBQuR6095228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lADBQumw095227; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id lADBQqDO095213 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Nov 2007 11:26:51 -0000 Received: from static-87-79-236-202.netcologne.de (EHLO klangraum) [87.79.236.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 13 Nov 2007 12:26:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #163624 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+WM8lqVgqWI/T3rtO+YlGjXvE0ESglJ/20qZQciM aA9C62EBp0eHmn Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:26:50 +0100 From: "A. Pagaltzis" To: Atom Syntax Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question Message-ID: <20071113112650.GI20669@klangraum> Mail-Followup-To: Atom Syntax References:

MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by balder-227.proper.com id lADBQtDO095221 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id lADBQuR6095228 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 * Franklin Tse [2007-11-13 11:40]: > It looks that each Atom feed document should have its own id in > RFC 4287... I don=E2=80=99t see how that sort of conclusion can be supported by the very spec section you quoted yourself: When an Atom Document is relocated, migrated, syndicated, republished, exported, or imported, the content of its atom:id element MUST NOT change. Put another way, an atom:id element pertains to all instantiations of a particular Atom entry or feed; revisions retain the same content in their atom:id elements. I think that needs to inform a reading of the section you quoted from RFC=C2=A05005: A paged feed is a set of linked feed documents that together contain the entries of a logical feed, without any guarantees about the stability of each document's contents. An archived feed is a set of feed documents that can be combined to accurately reconstruct the entries of a logical feed. It seems relatively clear to me that =E2=80=9Call instantiations of a particular Atom feed=E2=80=9D in RFC=C2=A04287 and =E2=80=9Ca logical fee= d=E2=80=9D in RFC=C2=A05005 refer to the same concept. And so while the latter may say nothing about feed IDs, it seems to me that an intent pretty strongly implied. The problem is, of course, that this is very much a case of =E2=80=9CI know it when I see it=E2=80=9D: what constitutes a logical feed is not mechanically decidable. A spec can therefore not make any potent mandates about such issues, and is reduced to vague language. But vague language doesn=E2=80=99t imply an absence of intent; it merely means that the intents in question defy precise codification. Of course, at the cost of writing software that does nothing very useful, you can insist on a literal reading of the letter of the spec. Regards, --=20 Aristotle Pagaltzis // From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 13 07:19:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Irujc-00069d-E4 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:19:16 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrujY-0007dO-1f for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:19:16 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lADBvka2098379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lADBvkAI098378; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lADBvkuc098372 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from j4_james@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.152.21]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:57:45 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:57:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 85.211.254.120 by BAY141-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:57:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [85.211.254.120] X-Originating-Email: [j4_james@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j4_james@hotmail.com From: "James Holderness" To: "Atom Syntax" References:

Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:57:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2007 11:57:45.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[677687F0:01C825EC] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 I have to agree with Eric and Aristotle. > The "atom:id" element conveys a permanent, universally unique > identifier for an entry or feed. Note that says "feed", not "feed document". > An Atom Feed Document is a representation of an Atom feed, including > metadata about the feed, and some or all of the entries associated > with it. That tells us that a feed *document* can be a representation of *some* of the feed. From that we can deduce that two feed documents could represent two different parts of the same feed. Since the atom:id is unique to the feed, not the feed document, both such documents should share the same id. Regards James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 13 08:21:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Irvhf-0000pg-Tm for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:21:19 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Irvhb-0001LU-0y for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:21:19 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lADD5DVw003280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lADD5Dok003279; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.235]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lADD5Atl003209 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from peaceable_whale@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-DS3 ([65.55.133.30]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:05:10 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [61.238.43.155] X-Originating-Email: [peaceable_whale@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Franklin Tse" In-Reply-To:

To: "Atom Syntax" References:

Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:05:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2007 13:05:10.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[D203AA90:01C825F5] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Thank all of you for the explanations. I have another question about the Atom self link. In RFC 4287, o atom:feed elements SHOULD contain one atom:link element with a rel attribute value of "self". This is the preferred URI for retrieving Atom Feed Documents representing this Atom feed. So, does this mean that the atom:link with rel="self" should have a href to the first page of a paged feed or the subscription document of an archived feed? -Franklin -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Holderness" Date: Tuesday, 13 November, 2007 19:57 To: "Atom Syntax" Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question > > I have to agree with Eric and Aristotle. > >> The "atom:id" element conveys a permanent, universally unique >> identifier for an entry or feed. > > > Note that says "feed", not "feed document". > >> An Atom Feed Document is a representation of an Atom feed, including >> metadata about the feed, and some or all of the entries associated >> with it. > > That tells us that a feed *document* can be a representation of *some* of > the feed. From that we can deduce that two feed documents could represent > two different parts of the same feed. Since the atom:id is unique to the > feed, not the feed document, both such documents should share the same id. > > Regards > James > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 13 15:30:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Is2P8-000135-8u for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:30:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Is2P4-0003VJ-LY for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:30:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lADIuOUG041069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lADIuOo1041068; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id lADIuMDq041060 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Nov 2007 18:56:21 -0000 Received: from static-87-79-236-202.netcologne.de (EHLO klangraum) [87.79.236.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp039) with SMTP; 13 Nov 2007 19:56:21 +0100 X-Authenticated: #163624 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18wMuNI+J4w4g0GF4qHRjPpLYr5bXcA3xuNWW10W5 tbBU2MZuYw3cc1 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:56:19 +0100 From: "A. Pagaltzis" To: Atom Syntax Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question Message-ID: <20071113185619.GJ20669@klangraum> Mail-Followup-To: Atom Syntax References:

MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id lADIuOUG041069 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d * Franklin Tse [2007-11-13 14:20]: > Does this mean that the atom:link with rel=3D"self" should have > a href to the first page of a paged feed or the subscription > document of an archived feed? By subscription document, do you mean the subscribable, public version of the feed? If so, yes, it=E2=80=99s probably a good idea for the `self` link to that one, not the paged feed. There is no intent here the way there is with feed IDs, though. It=E2=80=99s just a matter of pragmatism. It=E2=80=99s clear that you don=E2=80=99t want aggregators subscribing to= any page of an archive feed, ever. It=E2=80=99s also pretty clear why you don=E2=80=99t want aggregators sub= scribing to the 10th page of a collection feed: they might have to wait a very long time until they see entries that were posted very recently. As for whether aggregators should subscribe to a collection feed or the public feed, note well that collection feeds SHOULD be ordered by app:edited =E2=80=93 so aggregators subscribed to a collection feed might frequently find it changed without any new entries having been posted. It=E2=80=99s even conceivable that the opposite happens =E2=80=93 that editing churn pushes newly posted entries off the first page of the feed in less than a reasonable aggregator polling interval, so that the aggregator misses them completely. So overall, it is best for aggregators to subscribe to the public published feed. You are free to make a different decision on a case-by-case basis though. 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This is the preferred URI for > retrieving Atom Feed Documents representing this Atom feed. > > So, does this mean that the atom:link with rel="self" should have a href to > the first page of a paged feed or the subscription document of an archived > feed? yes. e. From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 14 01:51:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsC5u-00063X-CO for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:51:26 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsC5q-0007Ks-In for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:51:26 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAE6cWc2089684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAE6cWR0089683; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAE6cVdW089677 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:38:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from peaceable_whale@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-DS3 ([65.55.133.30]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:38:31 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [61.238.43.155] X-Originating-Email: [peaceable_whale@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Franklin Tse" In-Reply-To: To: "Atom Syntax" References: Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:38:21 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2007 06:38:31.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8DDC3B0:01C82688] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Since RFC 5005 does not clearly define if atom:feed/atom:id should change and which feed should atom:feed/atom:link[@rel="self"] point to, feed publishers may not know what they should do, and implementations may vary. I think the situation can be improved if the Feed Validator adds some recommendations. Based on the discussions before, the following rules should be added: 1. If first, last, previous, next, prev-archive, next-archive or current is found, issue a notice reminding the publisher that all of the feed documents of a paged feed or an archived feed should share the same feed ID 2. If the href of a "current" link is not equal to the href of the "self" link, issue a warning or a notice However, Sam's archived feed is not following the recommendations above: http://intertwingly.net/blog/archives/index.atom http://intertwingly.net/blog/archives/2007/10/index.atom -Franklin ------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Scheid" Date: Wednesday, 14 November, 2007 04:56 To: "Atom Syntax" Subject: Re: Paged Feeds Question > > On 14/11/07 12:05 AM, "Franklin Tse" wrote: > >> o atom:feed elements SHOULD contain one atom:link element with a rel >> attribute value of "self". This is the preferred URI for >> retrieving Atom Feed Documents representing this Atom feed. >> >> So, does this mean that the atom:link with rel="self" should have a href >> to >> the first page of a paged feed or the subscription document of an >> archived >> feed? > > yes. > > e. > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 14 17:55:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsR8m-0003to-UA for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:55:24 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsR8k-0003ol-3H for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:55:24 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAEMbuvs081017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAEMbuBn081016; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAEMbtSv081010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mnot@mnot.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [59.167.163.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE585D05A6; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:37:53 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: References:

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