Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D403A67DA for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:27:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.649, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kgPUkDrudgR0 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C638C3A6359 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([unknown] [71.171.109.164]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LAQ00LYY1K0MX90@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for earlywarning@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:28:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4CC24860.5050000@netmagic.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:28:48 -0400 From: Tony Rutkowski Organization: NetMagic Associates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101020 Lanikai/3.1.5 MIME-version: 1.0 To: earlywarning@ietf.org References: In-reply-to: Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------080203020307050109040202 Subject: Re: [Atoca] No ITU presentation X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: trutkowski@netmagic.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 02:27:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080203020307050109040202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark, The related work has been occurring in ITU-T SG17. This includes collaboration with the early warning community in international workshops over several years, importation of the CAP specification into Rec. ITU-T Rec. X.1303 and the production of an ASN.1 version. This includes collaboration with the earlywarning community to develop a global OID namespace, and its administration in part via the World Meteorological Organization. See, e.g, http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/ISS/Meetings/WIS-CAP_Geneva2009/DocPlan.html One of the entities significantly involved in this work is Chunfang Wang of the China Meteorological Agency (CMA) which is based in Beijing. Parts of this activity reside within the purview of the Q.4/17 ITU-T rapporteur group for which I'm responsible. I could likely find someone who will be at the Beijing IETF meeting to represent the Group. For the sake of coherent global interoperability among the early warning community, it seems important to collaborate with the existing players and further the work. best, --tony On 10/22/2010 6:19 AM, Mark Wood wrote: > I have decided not to make any presentation about the ITU-T SG2 work, so > this will free up time for more appropriate discussions. --------------080203020307050109040202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark,

The related work has been occurring in ITU-T SG17.
This includes collaboration with the early warning community
in international workshops over several years, importation
of the CAP specification into Rec. ITU-T Rec. X.1303
and the production of an ASN.1 version.

This includes collaboration with the earlywarning
community to develop a global OID namespace,
and its administration in part via the World
Meteorological Organization. See, e.g,
http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/ISS/Meetings/WIS-CAP_Geneva2009/DocPlan.html

One of the entities significantly involved in this work is
Chunfang Wang of the China Meteorological Agency (CMA)
which is based in Beijing.

Parts of this activity reside within the purview of the
Q.4/17 ITU-T rapporteur group for which I'm responsible.
I could likely find someone who will be at the Beijing
IETF meeting to represent the Group.

For the sake of coherent global interoperability among
the early warning community, it seems important to
collaborate with the existing players and further the
work.

best,
--tony

On 10/22/2010 6:19 AM, Mark Wood wrote:

I have decided not to make any presentation about the ITU-T SG2 work, so
this will free up time for more appropriate discussions.

--------------080203020307050109040202-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE983A6891 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 03:17:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.284 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.284 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.285, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AzSw0jRlOIWV for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 03:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0463A68AB for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 03:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FB94F8062 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.drcf.net (ahfbbjcaiaae.dreamhost.com [75.119.208.4]) (Authenticated sender: webmaster@drcf.net) by homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0D9164F805C for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81.86.43.86 (proxying for 81.86.43.86) (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster@drcf.net) by webmail.drcf.net with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:19:19 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:19:19 +0100 From: "Mark Wood" To: "IETF ATOCA" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Atoca] No ITU presentation X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.wood@engineer.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:17:43 -0000 Friends; N=EDn h=E2o :-) I have decided not to make any presentation about the ITU-T SG2 work, so this will free up time for more appropriate discussions. I look forward to meeting everyone in Beijing. Mark Wood, Disaster Relief Communications Foundation (UK). Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199763A68F5 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.445 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.154, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09iQG-WRonV3 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21BB3A68C2 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAAp1vUyrRN+J/2dsb2JhbAChaXGmYpxZhUoEhFU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,351,1283731200"; d="scan'208";a="606464107" Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.223.137]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Oct 2010 17:42:50 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-wxp01.cisco.com (rcdn-jmpolk-8715.cisco.com [10.99.80.22]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9JHgn8h009215; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:42:49 GMT Message-Id: <201010191742.o9JHgn8h009215@sj-core-3.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:42:47 -0500 To: "Thomson, Martin" , "earlywarning@ietf.org" , "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" From: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: <8B0A9FCBB9832F43971E38010638454F03F31EA7D0@SISPE7MB1.comms cope.com> References: <201010181728.o9IHS2tI002635@sj-core-5.cisco.com> <8B0A9FCBB9832F43971E38010638454F03F31EA7D0@SISPE7MB1.commscope.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Atoca] ATOCA chairs - IETF process being violated? X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:41:20 -0000 WG chairs are allowed to accept IDs past the deadline, if they communicate that to the Secretariat exactly (by filename) which late submission to post. This would allow you to have the authors of each ID (reqs and cap) resubmit the IDs as individual versions. just an FYI James At 09:31 PM 10/18/2010, Thomson, Martin wrote: >Approving these drafts was a little premature. While we have >milestones for work items in our charter, we hadn't formally had the >discussion about accepting these as working group items. > >For now, let us pretend that these -ietf- versions of the drafts >don't exist. To help us, can we request that the authors of these >drafts submit revisions of the individual drafts? > >We should have a discussion about the status of these items at our >meeting. If it seems like we do want to adopt these drafts, we'll >do a formal 2 week call on the list straight after the meeting. If >not, we'll have to see what we can do to kill off the -ietf- drafts. > >Cheers, >Martin (and Scott), ATOCA Chairs > >-----Original Message----- >From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org >[mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James M. Polk >Sent: Tuesday, 19 October 2010 4:28 AM >To: earlywarning@ietf.org >Subject: [Atoca] ATOCA chairs - IETF process being violated? > >ATOCA chairs > >I'm personally glad this WG formed. > >That said, one WG item was submitted today and I can't seem to find >in the list archives any call for the WG to approve of any WG level documents. > >The WG was announced in this message (from Aug 17th) >http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00358.html > >Martin, as one of two WG chairs, you welcomed all of us to the WG Sept 1st >http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00359.html > >Martin, you're initial non-welcome message (Sept 14th) talked about >Beijing meeting slots >http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00360.html >and said this: > >" >We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts: > > draft-rosen-atoca-cap > draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery > draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements >" > >that meeting agenda thread continued until the first WG item was >submitted (Sept 24th) without the WG ever having a say in whether or >not this ID was good or bad to adopt >http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00377.html > >The very next message to this list (Oct 1st) had a rough agenda >http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00378.html >that didn't even mention draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt > >Now on Oct 18th, draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt is submitted - again >without the proper (or even a mention of) list discussion about >whether this ID is a good thing for the WG to adopt or not. > >Common guys - we can't start the WG by willfully violating IETF WG >process like this! One of the two of you (chairs) is new, so this >isn't really a surprise, but one of you authored one of the core IETF >process documents (RFC 2418), so there's less tolerance here. > >This cannot be tolerated and each of these documents need to be >rescinded (i.e., taken out of the ID repository) until the WG >approves them. I mean, there hasn't even been a face-to-face meeting >to have voices say yes or no (hums one way or the other or ever >thumbs pointed up or down). There's been nothing within this WG to >justify these two IDs being WG items yet. > >There's still time (6.5 hours) to have each resubmitted as individual >IDs and us discuss them properly in Beijing, and maybe even indicate >there that these should be put to the ATOCA list for WG >consideration. Before this happens, these two IDs aren't properly WG items. > >James > >_______________________________________________ >earlywarning mailing list >earlywarning@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning >_______________________________________________ >earlywarning mailing list >earlywarning@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B83C3A67FA for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.893 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.893 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.294, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PfJ7-W4L0St2 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from csmailgw1.commscope.com (csmailgw1.commscope.com [198.135.207.244]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A417E3A6A98 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.86.20.103] ([10.86.20.103]:33917 "EHLO ACDCE7HC2.commscope.com") by csmailgw1.commscope.com with ESMTP id S35751282Ab0JSCcR (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:32:17 -0500 Received: from SISPE7HC1.commscope.com (10.97.4.12) by ACDCE7HC2.commscope.com (10.86.20.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.436.0; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:32:16 -0500 Received: from SISPE7MB1.commscope.com ([fe80::9d82:a492:85e3:a293]) by SISPE7HC1.commscope.com ([fe80::8a9:4724:f6bb:3cdf%10]) with mapi; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:31:58 +0800 From: "Thomson, Martin" To: "earlywarning@ietf.org" , "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:31:56 +0800 Thread-Topic: [Atoca] ATOCA chairs - IETF process being violated? Thread-Index: Actu6gZ3wRTQuVGqSj2TMTrnh0ZlmwASr4cw Message-ID: <8B0A9FCBB9832F43971E38010638454F03F31EA7D0@SISPE7MB1.commscope.com> References: <201010181728.o9IHS2tI002635@sj-core-5.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <201010181728.o9IHS2tI002635@sj-core-5.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BCN: Meridius 1000 Version 3.4 on csmailgw1.commscope.com X-BCN-Sender: Martin.Thomson@andrew.com Subject: Re: [Atoca] ATOCA chairs - IETF process being violated? X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." 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Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF0A3A6BF6 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:49:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.269 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.269 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.330, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ruCIUu9EJCvC for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127D53A6BE7 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 89861577E0A; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:51:14 -0400 (EDT) To: earlywarning@ietf.org, jmpolk@cisco.com In-Reply-To: <201010181728.o9IHS2tI002635@sj-core-5.cisco.com> Message-Id: <20101018235114.89861577E0A@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Subject: Re: [Atoca] ATOCA chairs - IETF process being violated? X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:49:46 -0000 sorry about that - running a bit too quick today Scott Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7D43A6EAF for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:41:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.141 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.141 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.108, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NTx-JJ-dgDLv for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail5.alcatel.fr (smail5.alcatel.fr [62.23.212.27]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6E53A6BF6 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.63]) by smail5.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id o9INgsp3006127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:42:55 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.44]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.63]) with mapi; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:42:54 +0200 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "James M. Polk" , "earlywarning@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:42:53 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Atoca] ATOCA chairs - IETF process being violated? Thread-Index: Actu6eLxhUbvz6DJQn6tnR20Uj/tJAANCu/A Message-ID: References: <201010181728.o9IHS2tI002635@sj-core-5.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <201010181728.o9IHS2tI002635@sj-core-5.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 155.132.188.13 Subject: Re: [Atoca] ATOCA chairs - IETF process being violated? X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:41:30 -0000 I also don't remember being asked if the WG wanted to adopt any WG document= s. I suggest you withdraw this one and submit an appropriate consensus call. Keith=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James M. Polk > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:28 PM > To: earlywarning@ietf.org > Subject: [Atoca] ATOCA chairs - IETF process being violated? >=20 > ATOCA chairs >=20 > I'm personally glad this WG formed. >=20 > That said, one WG item was submitted today and I can't seem=20 > to find in the list archives any call for the WG to approve=20 > of any WG level documents. >=20 > The WG was announced in this message (from Aug 17th)=20 > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg0 > 0358.html >=20 > Martin, as one of two WG chairs, you welcomed all of us to=20 > the WG Sept 1st=20 > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg0 > 0359.html >=20 > Martin, you're initial non-welcome message (Sept 14th) talked=20 > about Beijing meeting slots=20 > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg0 > 0360.html > and said this: >=20 > " > We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts: >=20 > draft-rosen-atoca-cap > draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery > draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements > " >=20 > that meeting agenda thread continued until the first WG item=20 > was submitted (Sept 24th) without the WG ever having a say in=20 > whether or not this ID was good or bad to adopt=20 > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg0 > 0377.html >=20 > The very next message to this list (Oct 1st) had a rough=20 > agenda=20 > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg0 > 0378.html > that didn't even mention draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt >=20 > Now on Oct 18th, draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt is submitted -=20 > again without the proper (or even a mention of) list=20 > discussion about whether this ID is a good thing for the WG=20 > to adopt or not. >=20 > Common guys - we can't start the WG by willfully violating=20 > IETF WG process like this! One of the two of you (chairs) is=20 > new, so this isn't really a surprise, but one of you authored=20 > one of the core IETF process documents (RFC 2418), so there's=20 > less tolerance here. >=20 > This cannot be tolerated and each of these documents need to=20 > be rescinded (i.e., taken out of the ID repository) until the=20 > WG approves them. I mean, there hasn't even been a=20 > face-to-face meeting to have voices say yes or no (hums one=20 > way or the other or ever thumbs pointed up or down). There's=20 > been nothing within this WG to justify these two IDs being WG=20 > items yet. >=20 > There's still time (6.5 hours) to have each resubmitted as=20 > individual IDs and us discuss them properly in Beijing, and=20 > maybe even indicate there that these should be put to the=20 > ATOCA list for WG consideration. Before this happens, these=20 > two IDs aren't properly WG items. >=20 > James=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > earlywarning mailing list > earlywarning@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning > = Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AA63A69AD for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:48:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.296, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MtgAm6TO5iQa for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from csmailgw1.commscope.com (csmailgw1.commscope.com [198.135.207.244]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90943A6AB6 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.86.20.102] ([10.86.20.102]:53360 "EHLO ACDCE7HC1.commscope.com") by csmailgw1.commscope.com with ESMTP id S35740952Ab0JRVty (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:49:54 -0500 Received: from SISPE7HC2.commscope.com (10.97.4.13) by ACDCE7HC1.commscope.com (10.86.20.102) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.436.0; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:49:53 -0500 Received: from SISPE7MB1.commscope.com ([fe80::9d82:a492:85e3:a293]) by SISPE7HC2.commscope.com ([fe80::58c3:2447:f977:57c3%10]) with mapi; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 05:49:51 +0800 From: "Thomson, Martin" To: Art Botterell , "earlywarning@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 05:49:49 +0800 Thread-Topic: [Atoca] I-D Action:draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt Thread-Index: Actuz3r7fx6LvwfCTAC7araQRLXALQAPlwPA Message-ID: <8B0A9FCBB9832F43971E38010638454F03F31EA75C@SISPE7MB1.commscope.com> References: <20101018123003.D1D0A3A6ADC@core3.amsl.com> <37FBCC74-36A9-4B5A-9F65-13EC903A24FF@incident.com> In-Reply-To: <37FBCC74-36A9-4B5A-9F65-13EC903A24FF@incident.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BCN: Meridius 1000 Version 3.4 on csmailgw1.commscope.com X-BCN-Sender: Martin.Thomson@andrew.com Subject: Re: [Atoca] I-D Action:draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." 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18 Oct 2010 17:28:03 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-wxp01.cisco.com (rcdn-jmpolk-8715.cisco.com [10.99.80.22]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9IHS2tI002635; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:28:03 GMT Message-Id: <201010181728.o9IHS2tI002635@sj-core-5.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:28:01 -0500 To: earlywarning@ietf.org From: "James M. Polk" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Atoca] ATOCA chairs - IETF process being violated? X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:26:35 -0000 ATOCA chairs I'm personally glad this WG formed. That said, one WG item was submitted today and I can't seem to find in the list archives any call for the WG to approve of any WG level documents. The WG was announced in this message (from Aug 17th) http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00358.html Martin, as one of two WG chairs, you welcomed all of us to the WG Sept 1st http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00359.html Martin, you're initial non-welcome message (Sept 14th) talked about Beijing meeting slots http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00360.html and said this: " We're expecting to spend some time on the following drafts: draft-rosen-atoca-cap draft-rosen-atoca-server-discovery draft-schulzrinne-atoca-requirements " that meeting agenda thread continued until the first WG item was submitted (Sept 24th) without the WG ever having a say in whether or not this ID was good or bad to adopt http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00377.html The very next message to this list (Oct 1st) had a rough agenda http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/earlywarning/current/msg00378.html that didn't even mention draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt Now on Oct 18th, draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt is submitted - again without the proper (or even a mention of) list discussion about whether this ID is a good thing for the WG to adopt or not. Common guys - we can't start the WG by willfully violating IETF WG process like this! One of the two of you (chairs) is new, so this isn't really a surprise, but one of you authored one of the core IETF process documents (RFC 2418), so there's less tolerance here. This cannot be tolerated and each of these documents need to be rescinded (i.e., taken out of the ID repository) until the WG approves them. I mean, there hasn't even been a face-to-face meeting to have voices say yes or no (hums one way or the other or ever thumbs pointed up or down). There's been nothing within this WG to justify these two IDs being WG items yet. There's still time (6.5 hours) to have each resubmitted as individual IDs and us discuss them properly in Beijing, and maybe even indicate there that these should be put to the ATOCA list for WG consideration. Before this happens, these two IDs aren't properly WG items. James Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B843A6AE1 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:17:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.638 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.638 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bcTA9ZsmB83I for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 555F43A6CB9 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2010 14:19:13 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.193] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2010 14:19:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2010 14:19:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 358770.8403.bm@omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 88962 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2010 14:19:13 -0000 Received: from postfix.incident.com (acb@99.182.125.96 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2010 07:19:12 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: c09pd_2swBAlwYa9BknTHpHNRHUh4Oco4AeV8DAru96p X-YMail-OSG: lIpSx1AVM1n.7mcIpqVAV.KRVx7fLew6dtPc1iP20T9lchr CCAVsgLj_25Cq.JWA0Mp7Ek4mzpTBc9pdnawaMvXGKsvJ8fhWhf5sPc.Sp7n NIzRmwVuBrd0f3svhFy3ShvR3c65m_kwYCMLBUm6_JXpO6Rbqa.zB0ebLSdA EsgFnQBCJTfheAz8qzmHuF3PNLyRJjYKhxDTYU4cwkl965stDInaPWEiYupr XmryvNY5SRI.RFUy22j6aB39hIQYgVYLtUZ2y7E474qbbNxKcF4ivu0zdF9Q Ceg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.incident.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D35396B20B for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Art Botterell In-Reply-To: <20101018123003.D1D0A3A6ADC@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:19:10 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <37FBCC74-36A9-4B5A-9F65-13EC903A24FF@incident.com> References: <20101018123003.D1D0A3A6ADC@core3.amsl.com> To: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: Re: [Atoca] I-D Action:draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:17:49 -0000 Looks good. Maybe I should point out, for whatever it may be worth, that CAP is not = only an XML specification. There is also an ASN.1 serialization = specified in versions 1.1 and 1.2 as part of the harmonization effort by = which the ITU-T co-designated it as x.1303. A detail, but thought I'd = mention it for precision's sake. Also, I'd suggest that a subscription filter might be added for alert = source (). In addition to restricting sourcing to = identified authoritative sources, which some consumers will wish to do, = that might facilitate some sorts of proxy arrangements. - Art On Oct 18, 2010, at 10/18/10 5:30 AM, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Authority-to-Citizen Alert Working = Group of the IETF. >=20 >=20 > Title : Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Event = Package for the Common Alerting Protocol (CAP) > Author(s) : B. Rosen, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt > Pages : 22 > Date : 2010-10-18 >=20 > The Common Alerting Protocol (CAP) is an XML document format for > exchanging emergency alerts and public warnings. This document > allows CAP documents to be distributed via the event notification > mechanism available with the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP). >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > _______________________________________________ > earlywarning mailing list > earlywarning@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@ietf.org Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id D1D0A3A6ADC; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20101018123003.D1D0A3A6ADC@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: earlywarning@ietf.org Subject: [Atoca] I-D Action:draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:30:04 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Authority-to-Citizen Alert Working Group of the IETF. Title : Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Event Package for the Common Alerting Protocol (CAP) Author(s) : B. Rosen, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2010-10-18 The Common Alerting Protocol (CAP) is an XML document format for exchanging emergency alerts and public warnings. This document allows CAP documents to be distributed via the event notification mechanism available with the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-atoca-cap-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-10-18051534.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BCD3A68AE for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 06:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.130, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GBbOlls7x7xJ for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 06:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B671E3A689E for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 06:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o98D8wlY009148; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:09:00 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:08:36 +0300 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.6]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:08:36 +0300 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-06.mgdnok.nokia.com ([94.245.81.109]) by nok-am1mhub-02.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.6]) with mapi; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:08:28 +0200 From: To: , , Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:08:26 +0200 Thread-Topic: Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 Thread-Index: ActlbRyBxnlFpowYR0uSZmm7rWeDBwBfK3dg Message-ID: <5BAF85033CB5F3439C4DE153165522B10B7CC0D1E5@NOK-EUMSG-06.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <5BAF85033CB5F3439C4DE153165522B10B7CB248C7@NOK-EUMSG-06.mgdnok.nokia.com> <20101006154218.59313527CF8@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> In-Reply-To: <20101006154218.59313527CF8@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2010 13:08:36.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAA36120:01CB66E9] X-Nokia-AV: Unscannable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 08:21:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Atoca] Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:08:04 -0000 No problem, I moved my flight to Saturday :-) BR, Hannu Hietalahti 3GPP TSG CT Chairman tel: +358 40 5021724 =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: ext Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]=20 >Sent: 06 October, 2010 18:42 >To: earlywarning@ietf.org; Hietalahti Hannu (Nokia-CIC/Oulu);=20 >Martin.Thomson@andrew.com; sob@harvard.edu >Subject: RE: Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 > >the atoca session has been moved to the afternoon > >Scott >= Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B763A6F8F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:41:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.336 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.336 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.596, BAYES_20=-0.74, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yLx0uar8GLIF for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872883A6F68 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 59313527CF8; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:42:18 -0400 (EDT) To: earlywarning@ietf.org, hannu.hietalahti@nokia.com, Martin.Thomson@andrew.com, sob@harvard.edu In-Reply-To: <5BAF85033CB5F3439C4DE153165522B10B7CB248C7@NOK-EUMSG-06.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-Id: <20101006154218.59313527CF8@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:42:18 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Subject: Re: [Atoca] Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:41:24 -0000 the atoca session has been moved to the afternoon Scott Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4979D3A6F84 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:16:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.927 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.927 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.072, BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TA-xh7+f4lEv for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postalmail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbhh.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7704D3A6F66 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.drcf.net (ahfbbjcaiaae.dreamhost.com [75.119.208.4]) by postalmail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8244B111D93; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81.86.43.86 (proxying for 81.86.43.86) (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster@drcf.net) by webmail.drcf.net with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:17:25 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:17:25 +0100 From: "Mark Wood" To: "Thomson, Martin" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "earlywarning@ietf.org" , "hannu.hietalahti@nokia.com" Subject: Re: [Atoca] Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.wood@engineer.com List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:16:31 -0000 Thanks, I am pleased to say that my letter of invitation has come through now, so I will start my Visa application. Pending the success of that, I intend to attend the whole week, but I would like to make an early getaway if possible beccause the ITU will be meeting on the following monday, so I need to get back to Geneva asap. I will prepare a short overwiew of the ITU and its lisason on multicast address space for civic purposes. However I am not "representing" ITU in this forum, as ITU have no agenda to infuence IETF process in this regard, neither am I authorised to iether promote or defend any ITU positions on the matter. I look forward to meeting everyone and will enjoy learning from you. Warm regards Mark Wood, Disaster Relief Communications Foundation. Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1153A6F66 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:08:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.145, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QOD1daWlx+VK for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFF83A6F84 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 04:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o94B8IbE032718; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:08:44 -0500 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:08:21 +0300 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:08:16 +0300 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-06.mgdnok.nokia.com ([94.245.81.109]) by nok-am1mhub-03.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) with mapi; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:08:15 +0200 From: To: , , Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:08:14 +0200 Thread-Topic: Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 Thread-Index: Actjs15DUfwN7esTR4iSq79P60Yl+gAAQF5Q Message-ID: <5BAF85033CB5F3439C4DE153165522B10B7CB248C7@NOK-EUMSG-06.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <5BAF85033CB5F3439C4DE153165522B10B7CAB93A2@NOK-EUMSG-06.mgdnok.nokia.com> <20101004105953.00BD94F803A@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> In-Reply-To: <20101004105953.00BD94F803A@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2010 11:08:16.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[719F75D0:01CB63B4] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:57:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Atoca] Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:08:12 -0000 Thanks, yes, I just noticed this on the agenda and have already started to make my = travel arrangements accordingly. BR, Hannu Hietalahti 3GPP TSG CT Chairman tel: +358 40 5021724 =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: ext Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]=20 >Sent: 04 October, 2010 14:00 >To: earlywarning@ietf.org; Hietalahti Hannu (Nokia-CIC/Oulu);=20 >Martin.Thomson@andrew.com >Cc: sob@harvard.edu >Subject: RE: Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 > >> Which day is ATOCA session in the meeting week?=20 > >the atoca session is currently scheduled for friday morning=20 >from 0900-1130 > >Scott >= Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD66D3A6E65 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 03:58:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.350, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x+f-UxYTDCJ9 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 03:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A413A6E5F for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 03:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 00BD94F803A; Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:59:53 -0400 (EDT) To: earlywarning@ietf.org, hannu.hietalahti@nokia.com, Martin.Thomson@andrew.com In-Reply-To: <5BAF85033CB5F3439C4DE153165522B10B7CAB93A2@NOK-EUMSG-06.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-Id: <20101004105953.00BD94F803A@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 06:59:52 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Subject: Re: [Atoca] Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:58:59 -0000 > Which day is ATOCA session in the meeting week? the atoca session is currently scheduled for friday morning from 0900-1130 Scott Return-Path: X-Original-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: earlywarning@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8194D3A6DC5 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 03:41:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.369, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dPHWpJi9N9ua for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 03:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB49E3A6BDD for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 03:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id EEAC54EB4D1; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 06:42:21 -0400 (EDT) To: earlywarning@ietf.org, hannu.hietalahti@nokia.com, Martin.Thomson@andrew.com In-Reply-To: <5BAF85033CB5F3439C4DE153165522B10B7CAB93A2@NOK-EUMSG-06.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-Id: <20101001104221.EEAC54EB4D1@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 06:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Subject: Re: [Atoca] Draft ATOCA agenda for IETF79 X-BeenThere: earlywarning@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for the IETF Authority-to-Citizen Alert \(atoca\) working group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:41:35 -0000 the first cut at the meeting agenda should be posted soon we will not know until then when we have been scheduled Scott