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Folks,

Most materials can be found at:
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<div>Folks, </div>
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<div>Most materials can be found at: </div>
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FYI, in case you are missing it...

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Dear Friends,

As many may have heard of the sad news, Itojun (Dr. Junichiro Hagino)
known to the IETF community as the Chair of the IPv6 working group,
active IAB Member, and dedicated researcher to the deployment of IPv6
standards, passed away on October 29, 2007.

Itojun has been an important member of the WIDE community, making
numerous worldwide contributions in the field of network computing. We
would like to invite the IETF community to spend time with his friends
and fellow researchers in remembering Itojun.

The WIDE Project will be holding a gathering to commemorate Itojun at
this upcoming 70th IETF meeting in Vancouver. Please drop by the Westin
Bayshore "Chairman" room on the 2nd floor between 17:30pm-21:00pm
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If you could share this information with his friends, appreciated.

We look forward to seeing you there.

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<div>===========================<br><br>Dear Friends,<br><br>As many may have heard of the sad news, Itojun (Dr. Junichiro Hagino)<br>known to the IETF community as the Chair of the IPv6 working group,<br>active IAB Member, and dedicated researcher to the deployment of IPv6
<br>standards, passed away on October 29, 2007.<br><br>Itojun has been an important member of the WIDE community, making<br>numerous worldwide contributions in the field of network computing. We<br>would like to invite the IETF community to spend time with his friends
<br>and fellow researchers in remembering Itojun.<br><br>The WIDE Project will be holding a gathering to commemorate Itojun at<br>this upcoming 70th IETF meeting in Vancouver. Please drop by the Westin<br>Bayshore &quot;Chairman&quot; room on the 2nd floor between 17:30pm-21:00pm
<br>(December 3, 2007)<br><br>If you could share this information with his friends, appreciated.<br><br>We look forward to seeing you there.<br><br>Jun Murai (WIDE Project)</div>

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Hi Mark,

[RFC4541] is sufficient for establishing membership information in the
network-side bridge. However, it is an information RFC and thus we
cannot refer to it as normative text.

Our document intends for standard track and so we need a normative
reference in which IGMP/MLD report is used for building membership =20
information.
Hence, [RFC4605] is necessary to our document even though it is for IP =20=

router.

BR,
Hongseok Jeon
On 2007. 12. 04, at =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 9:14, DOLL, Mark wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm a bit confused by the mixup of IGMP/MLD proxying and snooping in
> draft-ietf-16ng-ip-over-ethernet-over-802.16-03.
>
> IGMP/MLD proxying is a simple form of multicast *routing* between
> links/subnets, working on the in the network/IP layer, whereas IGMP/=20=

> MLD
> snooping limits the inta-link/intra-subnet forwarding of multicast
> frames on the ethernet/MAC layer (by analyzing network layer packets).
>
> Snooping should be sufficient to achieve, what is discussed in the
> draft. If not, what do I miss here?
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which IGMP/MLD report is used for building membership =
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document even though it is for IP router.&nbsp;</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>BR,</div><div>Hongseok =
Jeon &nbsp;<br><div><div>On 2007. 12. 04, at =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 9:14, =
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links/subnets, working on the in the network/IP layer, whereas =
IGMP/MLD<br> snooping limits the inta-link/intra-subnet forwarding of =
multicast<br> frames on the ethernet/MAC layer (by analyzing network =
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NAT mention was added in appendix D as per Mr. OH=A1=AFs request.=20

I am OK with removing it as there is nothing special in IPv4CS for NAT =
handling.

It will be removed in next revision.

=20

-Samita

=20

________________________________

From: gabriel montenegro [mailto:gabriel_montenegro_2000@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:21 AM
To: soohong.park@samsung.com; 16ng@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [16NG] Fwd: RE: RE: comment on draft of IPv4 over IEEE =
802.16

=20

I disagree. I don't think we need to mention NAT, just like no other =
IPv4-over-foo document needs to mention NAT. That may be a reality
and its use common, but it is orthogonal to the business of carrying =
IPv4 packets over a given link layer.=20

Furthermore, I believe the paragraph below is wrong. You don't need NAT =
in the AR. You can tunnel all the way to some other device (as
WiMAX does when Mobile IP modes are enabled). In this case, that other =
device *may* choose to do NAT, or not. But having a NAT in the
AR is most certainly not a generic requirement for IPv4.

-gabriel

----- Original Message ----
From: Daniel Park <soohong.park@samsung.com>
To: 16ng@ietf.org
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:44:05 PM
Subject: [16NG] Fwd: RE: RE: comment on draft of IPv4 over IEEE 802.16

Folks,=20

=20

IPv4 document is newly taking care of NAT issue in Appendix D. I am =
forwarding the relevant threads to the list for further discussion and =
clarification. Do let us know if you have any concerns/questions...

=20

Daniel Park=20



------- Original Message -------
Sender : Samita Chakrabarti <Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com>
Date : 2007-11-19 16:58 (GMT+09:00)
Title : RE: comment on draft of IPv4 over IEEE 802.16



Hello Mr. Oh,

=20

Thanks for the details explanation and need of the text for radio =
engineers.

=20

We added your suggested text with a little modification at the appendix =
section.

=20

Appendix D.  Network Address Translation

=20

   There is not enough IPv4 address available, private IP address domain

   has been used in deployment.  If mobiles are assigned private IP

   addresses from the DHCP server located in the access network, there

   would be a NAT function in the Access router (AR) for address and

   port translation;this is a generic requirement for private IPv4

   address deployment model.

=20

--

Thanks,

-Samita

=20

________________________________

From: jtoh@hansung.ac.kr [mailto:jtoh@hansung.ac.kr]=20
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:31 PM
To: Samita Chakrabarti
Cc: =B9=DA=BC=F6=C8=AB=C3=A5=C0=D3
Subject: Re: comment on draft of IPv4 over IEEE 802.16

=20

Dear Samita

=20

I'm sorry I couldn't catch it.

I added my comment at the end of the sentence.

=20

[SC>]  IMHO, the NAT function you are talking about in Appendix D. is =
generic for any gateway like ASN-GW or AR. We do not need to =
specifically say anything like =A1=B0should=A1=B1. Above, we should =
replace =A1=B0should be NAT=A1=B1 to =A1=B0could be NAT=A1=B1.  Also, we =
should remove =A1=B0In addition,  address filtering=A1=A6 =A1=B0 line as =
this is very implementation specific.

=20

=3D> Jongtaek: We are working for the IP interworking for IEEE 802.16 =
system, not for legacy Internet equipments, which hold common functions =
as we know.

                    So we should include everything important functions =
which must be included in the WiMAX or WiBro system for the services. =
Otherwise,=20

                    some manufacturer may implement address filtering, =
and the other companies will not. Then service interworking is not =
possible.

                    That is the reason why standardization is necessary. =
Ambiguous assumption is not good approaching method.

=20

                    Addressing filtering and/or address mapping is very =
important functions for IP applications. For WiMAX network, there are =
two kinds of=20

                    different networks are combined, Internet and =
wireless network system. In order to provide versatile Internet =
services, destination IP addresses=20

                    should be managed and can be modified. For example, =
for MBS services, the technologies proposed by Samsung and me need IP =
address=20

                    mapping scheme at AR and/or BS. 16ng WG should see =
the background of the sentences.

=20

                    NAT and address filtering  are very familiar with =
Internet society, but they are not default functions for radio =
engineers. The RFCs relevant to

                    IEEE802.16 could be used for radio engineers also.

=20

                     For the above comment, "should" could be changed =
"could", but the sentence about "address filtering" should be remained. =
It has no harm,=20

                     but it has value more than "informative".

=20

Thank you, Samita.

=20

Jongtaek Oh

	----- Original Message -----=20

From: Samita Chakrabarti <mailto:Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com> =20

To: Jongtaek Oh <mailto:jtoh@hansung.ac.kr> =20

Cc: =B9=DA=BC=F6=C8=AB=C3=A5=C0=D3 <mailto:soohong.park@samsung.com> =20

Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:25 PM

Subject: RE: comment on draft of IPv4 over IEEE 802.16

=20

Hi Mr. Oh:

=20

Sorry my comment was hiding below toward the end of the mail, so you did =
not catch it.

Here it is:

=20

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Samita Chakrabarti <mailto:Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com> =20

To: Syam Madanapalli <mailto:smadanapalli@gmail.com>  ; Jongtaek Oh =
<mailto:jtoh@hansung.ac.kr> =20

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:40 AM

Subject: RE: comment on draft of IPv4 over IEEE 802.16

=20

=20

Hi All,

Appendix D.  Network Address Translation=20

=20

   There is not enough IPv4 address available, private IP address domain =
has been used publicly. When MSs are given private IP address from DHCP =
server, there should be NAT function in AR, which changes public IP =
address into private address, and vise versa. In addition, address =
filtering and/or address mapping to another address could be used.

=20

<Syam> I understand your concern, but I am not sure if this is required, =
But I can include this text in the

draft to get some feedback from the WG.

=20

[SC>]  IMHO, the NAT function you are talking about in Appendix D. is =
generic for any gateway like ASN-GW or AR. We do not need to =
specifically say anything like =A1=B0should=A1=B1. Above, we should =
replace =A1=B0should be NAT=A1=B1 to =A1=B0could be NAT=A1=B1.  Also, we =
should remove =A1=B0In addition,  address filtering=A1=A6 =A1=B0 line as =
this is very implementation specific.

=20

=20

Thanks,

-Samita

=20

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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20, 2007
10:21 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
soohong.park@samsung.com;
16ng@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [16NG] Fwd: =
RE: RE:
comment on draft of IPv4 over IEEE 802.16</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I
disagree. I don't think we need to mention NAT, just like no other
IPv4-over-foo document needs to mention NAT. That may be a reality<br>
and its use common, but it is orthogonal to the business of carrying =
IPv4 packets
over a given link layer. <br>
<br>
Furthermore, I believe the paragraph below is wrong. You don't need NAT =
in the
AR. You can tunnel all the way to some other device (as<br>
WiMAX does when Mobile IP modes are enabled). In this case, that other =
device
*may* choose to do NAT, or not. But having a NAT in the<br>
AR is most certainly not a generic requirement for IPv4.<br>
<br>
-gabriel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>----- Original Message ----<br>
From: Daniel Park &lt;soohong.park@samsung.com&gt;<br>
To: 16ng@ietf.org<br>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:44:05 PM<br>
Subject: [16NG] Fwd: RE: RE: comment on draft of IPv4 over IEEE =
802.16<br>
<br>
Folks, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o=
:p></p>

<p><font size=3D3 face=3DGulim><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>IPv4 =
document is
newly taking care of NAT issue in Appendix D. I am forwarding the =
relevant
threads</span></font><font face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font>to
the list for further discussion and clarification. Do let us know if you =
have
any concerns/questions...<o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o=
:p></p>

<p><font size=3D3 face=3DGulim><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Daniel =
Park</span></font><font
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D1 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
<br>
------- <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Original Message</span></b> =
-------<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sender</span></b> : Samita =
Chakrabarti
&lt;Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com&gt;<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Date</span></b> : 2007-11-19 16:58
(GMT+09:00)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Title</span></b> : RE: comment on =
draft of
IPv4 over IEEE 802.16<br>
<br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>Hello Mr. =
Oh,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>&nbsp;</span><=
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>Thanks for =
the details
explanation and need of the text for radio =
engineers.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>&nbsp;</span><=
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>We added your
suggested text with a little modification at the appendix =
section.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>&nbsp;</span><=
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Appendix D.&nbsp; Network Address =
Translation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; There is not enough IPv4 address
available, private IP address domain</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; has been used in =
deployment.&nbsp; If
mobiles are assigned private IP</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; addresses from the DHCP server =
located
in the access network, there</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; would be a NAT function in the =
Access
router (AR) for address and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; port translation;this is a =
generic
requirement for private IPv4</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; address deployment =
model.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>&nbsp;</span><=
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>--</span></fon=
t><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>Thanks,</span>=
</font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>-Samita</span>=
</font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#003300" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003300'>&nbsp;</span><=
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=3D3
face=3DGulim><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
jtoh@hansung.ac.kr [mailto:jtoh@hansung.ac.kr] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November =
18, 2007
5:31 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Samita =
Chakrabarti<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2><span
lang=3DKO =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=B9=DA=BC=F6=C8=AB=C3=A5=C0=D3</span></font><f=
ont size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: comment on =
draft of
IPv4 over IEEE 802.16</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Dear
Samita</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I'm
sorry I couldn't catch it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I
added my comment at the end of the =
sentence.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><b><i><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>[SC&gt;] &nbsp;IMHO, the NAT =
function you
are talking about in Appendix D. is generic for any gateway like ASN-GW =
or AR.
We do not need to specifically say anything like =A1=B0should=A1=B1. =
Above, we should
replace =A1=B0should be NAT=A1=B1 to =A1=B0could be NAT=A1=B1. =
&nbsp;Also, we should remove =A1=B0In
addition,&nbsp; address filtering=A1=A6 =A1=B0 line as this is very =
implementation
specific.</span></font></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=3D&gt;
Jongtaek: We are working for the IP interworking for IEEE 802.16 system, =
not
for legacy Internet equipments, which hold common functions as we =
know.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><fon=
t
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>So we should include =
everything important
functions which must be included in the WiMAX or WiBro system for the =
services.
Otherwise, </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> some manufacturer may =
implement address
filtering, and the other companies will not. Then service interworking =
is not
possible.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><fon=
t
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>That is the reason why =
standardization is
necessary. Ambiguous assumption is not good approaching =
method.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> Addressing filtering and/or =
address
mapping is very important functions for IP applications. =
For</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>WiMAX network, there are two =
kinds of </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> different networks are =
combined,
Internet and wireless network system. In order to provide versatile =
Internet
services, destination IP addresses </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> should be managed and can be =
modified.
For example, for MBS services, the technologies proposed by Samsung and =
me need
IP address </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> mapping scheme at AR and/or =
BS. 16ng WG
should see the background of the sentences.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> NAT and address =
filtering</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>are very familiar with =
Internet society,
but</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><font =
size=3D2><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>they are</span></font><font size=3D2
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>not default functions for =
radio
engineers. The RFCs relevant to</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> IEEE802.16 could be used for =
radio
engineers also.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></fon=
t><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>For the above comment, =
&quot;should&quot;
could be changed &quot;could&quot;, but the sentence about &quot;address
filtering&quot; should be remained. It has no harm, =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><fon=
t
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> but it has value more than
&quot;informative&quot;.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thank
you, Samita.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Jongtaek
Oh</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid windowtext =
1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;=

border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color =
black'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>-----
Original Message ----- </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</blockquote>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4;-moz-background-clip: =
-moz-initial;
-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;-moz-background-inline-policy: =
-moz-initial;
background-attachment:scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position=
-y:
50%'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href=3D"mailto:Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com"
ymailto=3D"mailto:Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com">Samita =
Chakrabarti</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href=3D"mailto:jtoh@hansung.ac.kr" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"jtoh@hansung.ac.kr" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:jtoh@hansung.ac.kr">Jongtaek Oh</a> =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href=3D"mailto:soohong.park@samsung.com" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"soohong.park@samsung.com" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:soohong.park@samsung.com"><span
lang=3DKO>=B9=DA=BC=F6=C8=AB=C3=A5=C0=D3</span></a> =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'> Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:25 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=3D2><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> RE: comment on draft of IPv4 over IEEE =
802.16</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Hi Mr. =
Oh:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>&nbsp;</span><=
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Sorry my =
comment was
hiding below toward the end of the mail, so you did not catch =
it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Here it =
is:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#993366" face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>&nbsp;</span><=
/font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DGulim><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original Message ----- =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt;background:#E4E4E4;-moz-background-clip: =
-moz-initial;
-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;-moz-background-inline-policy: =
-moz-initial;
background-attachment:scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position=
-y:
50%'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DGulim><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href=3D"mailto:Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"mailto:Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com&#10;Samita.Chakrabarti@A=
zaireNet.com"
ymailto=3D"mailto:Samita.Chakrabarti@AzaireNet.com">Samita =
Chakrabarti</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DGulim><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> <a href=3D"mailto:smadanapalli@gmail.com"
target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"mailto:smadanapalli@gmail.com&#10;smadanapalli@gmail.com"
ymailto=3D"mailto:smadanapalli@gmail.com">Syam Madanapalli</a> ; <a
href=3D"mailto:jtoh@hansung.ac.kr" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"mailto:jtoh@hansung.ac.kr&#10;jtoh@hansung.ac.kr"
ymailto=3D"mailto:jtoh@hansung.ac.kr">Jongtaek Oh</a> =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DGulim><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> Friday, November 16, 2007 6:40 =
AM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DGulim><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><fo=
nt
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> RE: comment on draft of IPv4 =
over IEEE
802.16</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi =
All,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:12.3pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dred
face=3DBatang><span style=3D'-moz-background-clip: =
-moz-initial;-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;
-moz-background-inline-policy: =
-moz-initial;background-attachment:scroll;
background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:50%'><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Batang;color:red;background:yellow'>Appendix D.&nbsp;
Network Address Translation</span></span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DBatang><span style=3D'-moz-background-clip: =
-moz-initial;-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;
-moz-background-inline-policy: =
-moz-initial;background-attachment:scroll;
background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:50%'><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Batang;color:blue;background:yellow'> =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</span>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:12.3pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dred
face=3DBatang><span style=3D'-moz-background-clip: =
-moz-initial;-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;
-moz-background-inline-policy: =
-moz-initial;background-attachment:scroll;
background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:50%'><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Batang;color:red;background:yellow'>&nbsp;</span></spa=
n></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:12.3pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dred
face=3DBatang><span style=3D'-moz-background-clip: =
-moz-initial;-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;
-moz-background-inline-policy: =
-moz-initial;background-attachment:scroll;
background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:50%'><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Batang;color:red;background:yellow'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dred face=3DBatang><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Batang;
color:red'>There is not enough IPv4 address available, private IP =
address
domain has been used publicly. When MSs are given private IP address =
from DHCP
server, there should be NAT function in AR, which changes public IP =
address
into private address, and vise versa. <u>In addition, address filtering =
and/or
address mapping to another address could be =
used.</u></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DGulim><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&lt;Syam&gt; I understand your concern, but I =
am not
sure if this is required,</span></font><font face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font>But I can =
include
this text in the<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DGulim><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>draft to get some feedback from the =
WG.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><b><i><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>[SC&gt;] &nbsp;IMHO, the NAT =
function you
are talking about in Appendix D. is generic for any gateway like ASN-GW =
or AR.
We do not need to specifically say anything like =A1=B0should=A1=B1. =
Above, we should
replace =A1=B0should be NAT=A1=B1 to =A1=B0could be NAT=A1=B1. =
&nbsp;Also, we should remove =A1=B0In
addition,&nbsp; address filtering=A1=A6 =A1=B0 line as this is very =
implementation
specific.</span></font></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><b><i><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>&nbsp;</span></font></i></b><o:p></o:=
p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><b><i><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>&nbsp;</span></font></i></b><o:p></o:=
p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><b><i><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Thanks,</span></font></i></b><o:p></o=
:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:3.75pt'><b><i><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>-Samita</span></font></i></b><o:p></o=
:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>&nbsp;</span><=
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The current version of the document completely lacks any information
regarding manageability of networks that run IP over IEEE 802.16. At a
minimum I would expect a short discussion about the interfaces model of
an IP over 802.16 or have the definition of such a model as well as of a
standard management interface mentioned as goals in Section 4.4.=20

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Folks,

The meeting minutes can be found at:
http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/16ng.txt

Do let chairs know if you have any changes or clarifications on that no
longer than December 22.

Thanks Jihoon for taking our meeting notes.

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<div>Folks,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The meeting minutes can be found at:</div>
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<div>Do let chairs know if you have any changes or clarifications on that no longer than December 22.</div>
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<div>Thanks Jihoon for taking our meeting notes.</div>
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Junghoon,

This is another IEEE 802.16 expert review.

Thanks much Erik Colban...

Daniel Park
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*From:* Erik Colban
*Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2007 11:30 AM
*To:* 'Johnston, DJ'
*Subject:* 16ng review



Hi DJ,



I haven't noticed any emails related to the 16ng ad-hoc. I have compiled the
following comments:



1)       The document is focused on the problem of configuring an IP subnet
over the 802.16 link. However, despite mentioning work done in NWG, the
draft does not address the case where IP packets are tunneled to and from a
Home Agent in the home or visited CSN. Problems that the draft focuses on
are not relevant in this case. The document should be clearer on which
deployment scenarios it is or is not addressing, or put into context the
scenario where the SS's IP address is assigned by a home network.

2)       The document mentions problems with PPP because there is no
Convergence Sublayer for PPP. However, GPCS was introduced in 802.16g to
avoid having to keep changing the 802.16 standard to introduce CS layers for
yet other protocols. In the early days of 16ng I was trying to push the
group to take GPCS into consideration and was then met with the argument
that 16g was not yet published. However, now that 16g has been approved by
the IEEE-SA Standards Board for publication (which happened on 9/27), 16ng
should reconsider the use of GPCS. When 16g actually becomes published, the
reference section should be updated to include a reference to the
802.16gamendment. GPCS is not only useful for the PPP link model, but
also when
classification at the BS is done based on the data path identifier (e.g.,
GRE key) used to tunnel packets between the BS and the ASN-GW.

3)       Section 4. "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2004 MAC layer" states

"Each node in the network possesses a 48-bit MAC address (though in the Base
Station this 48-bit unique identifier is called "BSId")."

This statement is not correct. The BSId is not the BS MAC Address. The BS
may have a MAC Address different from the BSId to communicate with other
nodes on the backhaul. Unless the Ethernet CS is used, the BS MAC Address is
not known to the SS. Furthermore the section title should be changed to
"Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer", and the section should include
reference to 16e, and if possible, more generically to the latest published
version of the 802.16 standard including all published amendments.

Do you plan to set up another conference call, or should I just go ahead and
send my comments?



Erik

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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Junghoon,&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is another IEEE 802.16 expert review. </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks much Erik Colban...</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Daniel Park&nbsp;</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Erik Colban 
<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 15, 2007 11:30 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> &#39;Johnston, DJ&#39;<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b>
 16ng review</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi DJ,</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I haven't noticed any emails related to the 16ng ad-hoc. I have compiled the following comments:</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span>1)<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span></span></font>
<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The document is focused on the problem of configuring an IP subnet over the 802.16 link. However, despite mentioning work done in NWG, the draft does not address the case where IP packets are tunneled to and from a Home Agent in the home or visited CSN. Problems that the draft focuses on are not relevant in this case. The document should be clearer on which deployment scenarios it is or is not addressing, or put into context the scenario where the SS's IP address is assigned by a home network.
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span>2)<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span></span></font>
<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The document mentions problems with PPP because there is no Convergence Sublayer for PPP. However, GPCS was introduced in 802.16g to avoid having to keep changing the 
802.16 standard to introduce CS layers for yet other protocols. In the early days of 16ng I was trying to push the group to take GPCS into consideration and was then met with the argument that 16g was not yet published. However, now that 16g has been approved by the IEEE-SA Standards Board for publication (which happened on 9/27), 16ng should reconsider the use of GPCS. When 16g actually becomes published, the reference section should be updated to include a reference to the 
802.16g amendment. GPCS is not only useful for the PPP link model, but also when classification at the BS is done based on the data path identifier (e.g., GRE key) used to tunnel packets between the BS and the ASN-GW.</span>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span>3)<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span></span></font>
<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Section 4. "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2004 MAC layer" states </span></font></p>
<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75in"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"Each node in the network possesses a 48-bit MAC address (though in the Base Station this 48-bit unique identifier is called &quot;BSId&quot;)."
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This statement is not correct. The BSId is not the BS MAC Address. The BS may have a MAC Address different from the BSId to communicate with other nodes on the backhaul. Unless the Ethernet CS is used, the BS MAC Address is not known to the SS. Furthermore the section title should be changed to "Overview of the IEEE 
802.16 MAC layer", and the section should include reference to 16e, and if possible, more generically to the latest published version of the 802.16 standard including all published amendments. </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do you plan to set up another conference call, or should I just go ahead and send my comments?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Erik</span></font></p></div></div>

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Dan,

Sorry for the loooong delay.

That's an interesting issue. As a part of goal of 16ng, it seems to be
valuable work. First, let me double check what's going on in IEEE
802.16 and WiMAX forum in terms of management method, then get back to
you with further clarification.

I think network management method can be addressed in a separated
draft if necessary later. Now, just adding a simple sentence into PS
and Goal document is doable to move it forward...

For example:

Goal # X: Clarification the network management method of IP over IEEE
802.16 for IP and/or Ethernet CS.

What do you think ?

Daniel Park
Co-chair, 16NG Working Group


On 12/11/07, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <dromasca@avaya.com> wrote:
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> The current version of the document completely lacks any information
> regarding manageability of networks that run IP over IEEE 802.16. At a
> minimum I would expect a short discussion about the interfaces model of
> an IP over 802.16 or have the definition of such a model as well as of a
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Dear Daniel,

I have a few qyeries -=20

1. It is mentioned in the introduction that Broadband Wireless Access
networks addresses the inadequacies of low Bandwidth wireless
communication. It mentions "Wide coverage" as a requirement (which is
true).However, Wide coverage is not due to broadband wireless
properties.=20

2. I do agree that Network Management and Policy Management (and
possibly Device Management) should be handled separately. Network
management does not only talk of MIBs, but a larger architecture and
requirements. This apart, there are important policy and device
management requirements that need to be covered. Thus, a separate draft
is useful. However, as you have mentioned, a single line in the current
draft would be helpful

3. In introduction and later, it talks of point-to-point links (802.16d)
only. Are we not considering 802.16e (and later standards)?

Best Regards,
Rana=20
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From: Daniel Park [mailto:soohongp@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:27 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
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Subject: Re: [16NG] RE: Last Call: draft-ietf-16ng-ps-goals (IP over
802.16Problem Statement and Goals) to Informational RFC

Dan,

Sorry for the loooong delay.

That's an interesting issue. As a part of goal of 16ng, it seems to be
valuable work. First, let me double check what's going on in IEEE
802.16 and WiMAX forum in terms of management method, then get back to
you with further clarification.

I think network management method can be addressed in a separated
draft if necessary later. Now, just adding a simple sentence into PS
and Goal document is doable to move it forward...

For example:

Goal # X: Clarification the network management method of IP over IEEE
802.16 for IP and/or Ethernet CS.

What do you think ?

Daniel Park
Co-chair, 16NG Working Group


On 12/11/07, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <dromasca@avaya.com> wrote:
>
> The current version of the document completely lacks any information
> regarding manageability of networks that run IP over IEEE 802.16. At a
> minimum I would expect a short discussion about the interfaces model
of
> an IP over 802.16 or have the definition of such a model as well as of
a
> standard management interface mentioned as goals in Section 4.4.
>
> Dan
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 5:41 PM
> > To: IETF-Announce
> > Cc: 16ng@ietf.org
> > Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-16ng-ps-goals (IP over 802.16
> > Problem Statement and Goals) to Informational RFC
> >
> > The IESG has received a request from the IP over IEEE 802.16
> > Networks WG
> > (16ng) to consider the following document:
> >
> > - 'IP over 802.16 Problem Statement and Goals '
> >    <draft-ietf-16ng-ps-goals-03.txt> as an Informational RFC
> >
> > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and
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> >
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Folks, 

<chair hat on>

At the last IETF, I got a rough consensus for pulling out ARP and NAT
section from IPv4CS document. AFIAC, the most concerns on those parts are
implementation specific, not part of RFC standard. 

This is an initial straw poll for 16ng folks consensus. 

What do you think ?

<chair hat off>

Personally, those parts can be included in the 16ng deployment scenario
document if removed. That's my personal opinion on this subject.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IP over IEEE 802.16 Networks Working Group of the IETF.


	Title           : IP over 802.16 Problem Statement and Goals
	Author(s)       : J. Jee, et al.
	Filename        : draft-ietf-16ng-ps-goals-04.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2007-12-20

This document specifies problems in running the IETF IP protocols
over IEEE 802.16 networks by identifying specific gaps in the 802.16
MAC for IPv4 and IPv6 support.  This document also provides an
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sublayers.  Common terminology used for the base guideline while
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With revision -04, we are close to approving this draft in the IESG.
Here are the current RFC Editor notes that we'd need to resolve
remaining Comments and Discusses. The only substantive change is adding
a manageability goal that Dan Romascanu asked for in his Discuss. Let me
know in the next day or two if there's anything alarming in these changes.

----

  In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to
  "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence
  of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".

  Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"
  to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".

  In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to
  "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".

  In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle 
  [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode 
  [IEEE802.16e]".

  In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the 
  sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs 
  which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".

  In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:

    Goal #6. Define management requirements and specifically the
    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
    over 802.16.

  In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".

  In Section 7, please change as follows:

  OLD:
    the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"
  NEW:
    the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"




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One more changes here is:

There are two "IETF IP protocols" in this document. Obviously, IP
stands for Internet Protocol. It seems to be a weird expression.
Suggestion is "IETF protocols or IETF IP"...but I don't have a strong
opinion on that if IETF folks are ok for this expression as usual.


Daniel Park


On Dec 21, 2007 5:53 PM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:
>
> With revision -04, we are close to approving this draft in the IESG.
> Here are the current RFC Editor notes that we'd need to resolve
> remaining Comments and Discusses. The only substantive change is adding
> a manageability goal that Dan Romascanu asked for in his Discuss. Let me
> know in the next day or two if there's anything alarming in these changes.
>
> ----
>
>  In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to
>  "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence
>  of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".
>
>  Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"
>  to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".
>
>  In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to
>  "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".
>
>  In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle
>  [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode
>  [IEEE802.16e]".
>
>  In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the
>  sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs
>  which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".
>
>  In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:
>
>    Goal #6. Define management requirements and specifically the
>    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
>    over 802.16.
>
>  In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".
>
>  In Section 7, please change as follows:
>
>  OLD:
>    the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"
>  NEW:
>    the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"
>
>
>
>
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Thanks. I found one of these expressions in the abstract, changed as
follows:

  In the Abstract, please change "running the IETF IP protocols
  over IEEE 802.16" to "running IP over 802.16".

Was there more to change?

Jari

Daniel Park kirjoitti:
> One more changes here is:
>
> There are two "IETF IP protocols" in this document. Obviously, IP
> stands for Internet Protocol. It seems to be a weird expression.
> Suggestion is "IETF protocols or IETF IP"...but I don't have a strong
> opinion on that if IETF folks are ok for this expression as usual.
>
>
> Daniel Park
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2007 5:53 PM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:
>   
>> With revision -04, we are close to approving this draft in the IESG.
>> Here are the current RFC Editor notes that we'd need to resolve
>> remaining Comments and Discusses. The only substantive change is adding
>> a manageability goal that Dan Romascanu asked for in his Discuss. Let me
>> know in the next day or two if there's anything alarming in these changes.
>>
>> ----
>>
>>  In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to
>>  "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence
>>  of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".
>>
>>  Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"
>>  to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".
>>
>>  In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to
>>  "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".
>>
>>  In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle
>>  [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode
>>  [IEEE802.16e]".
>>
>>  In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the
>>  sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs
>>  which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".
>>
>>  In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:
>>
>>    Goal #6. Define management requirements and specifically the
>>    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
>>    over 802.16.
>>
>>  In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".
>>
>>  In Section 7, please change as follows:
>>
>>  OLD:
>>    the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"
>>  NEW:
>>    the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I did change the section 3 title before ver 4 came out, so this editor note is not needed:

  In Section 7, please change as follows:

  OLD:
    the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"
  NEW:
    the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"


Also, there seems to be some confusion regarding section numbers (7, 4, 3) in the
above editor note. Suggest deleting it as it's already taken care of:

    http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-16ng-ps-goals-04#section-3

As for the MIB, I have a couple of observations. There is already plenty of MIB work going on in 802.16.
My suggestion is to liaise with 802.16 in order to have 16ng review and comment on those (bringing in 
the proper MIB doctor support). Upon rechartering, we can decide if the work can continue to live in 802.16.
After all, the IETF has lately pushed MIB work to the owners of underlying technologies, so some MIBs have
gone back to IEEE. 

Because of this, I'd reword the management goal as:

    Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the
    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
    over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.

Below, I include some extracts from the table of contents in a recent (Mar 2007) 802.16 revision draft.

-gabriel

9.3 Management information base............................................................................................... 1062
9.3.1 Simple network management protocol ...................................................................... 1063
9.3.2 Relationship with interface MIB................................................................................ 1063
9.3.2.1 MIB-2 integration ...................................................................................... 1063
9.3.2.2 Usage of MIB-II tables .............................................................................. 1063
9.3.2.3 Events and traps ......................................................................................... 1065
9.3.3 wmanDevMib MIB Subtree....................................................................................... 1065


13. IEEE 802.16 MIB structure for SNMP.......................................................................................... 1267
13.1 wmanIfMib ............................................................................................................................ 1267
13.1.1 wmanIfBsObjects....................................................................................................... 1267
13.1.1.1 wmanIfBsPacketCs.................................................................................... 1267
13.1.1.2 wmanIfBsCps............................................................................................. 1268
13.1.1.3 wmanIfBsPkmObjects ............................................................................... 1270
13.1.1.4 wmanIfBsNotification ............................................................................... 1270
13.1.1.5 wmanIfBsPhy............................................................................................. 1271
13.1.2 wmanIfSsObjects ....................................................................................................... 1273
13.1.2.1 wmanIfSsCps............................................................................................. 1273
13.1.2.2 wmanIfSsPkmObjects................................................................................ 1273
13.1.2.3 wmanIfSsNotification................................................................................ 1274
13.1.2.4 wmanIfSsPhy ............................................................................................. 1274
13.1.3 wmanIfCommonObjects............................................................................................ 1275
13.1.3.1 wmanIfCmnPacketCs ................................................................................ 1275
13.1.3.2 wmanIfCmnCps......................................................................................... 1276
13.1.3.3 wmanIfCmnPkmObjects............................................................................ 1276
13.2 wmanDevMib ........................................................................................................................ 1277
13.2.1 wmanDevBsObjects................................................................................................... 1277
13.2.1.1 wmanDevBsSoftwareUpgradeTable ......................................................... 1277
13.2.1.2 wmanDevBsNotification ........................................................................... 1277
13.2.2 wmanDevSsObjects ................................................................................................... 1277
13.2.2.1 wmanDevSsConfigFileEncodingTable ..................................................... 1277
13.2.2.2 wmanDevSsNotification............................................................................ 1278
13.2.3 wmanDevCommonObjects........................................................................................ 1278
13.2.3.1 wmanDevCmnEventLog ........................................................................... 1278
13.2.3.2 wmanDevCmnSnmpAgent ........................................................................ 1279
13.2.3.3 wmanDevCmnDeviceConfig..................................................................... 1279
13.3 ASN.1 Definitions of 802.16 MIB for SNMP....................................................................... 1279
13.3.1 wmanIfMib ................................................................................................................ 1279
13.3.2 wmanDevMib ............................................................................................................ 1479


----- Original Message ----
From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
To: Daniel Park <soohongp@gmail.com>
Cc: 16ng@ietf.org
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: [16NG] approving the ps-goals document


Thanks. I found one of these expressions in the abstract, changed as
follows:

  In the Abstract, please change "running the IETF IP protocols
  over IEEE 802.16" to "running IP over 802.16".

Was there more to change?

Jari

Daniel Park kirjoitti:
> One more changes here is:
>
> There are two "IETF IP protocols" in this document. Obviously, IP
> stands for Internet Protocol. It seems to be a weird expression.
> Suggestion is "IETF protocols or IETF IP"...but I don't have a strong
> opinion on that if IETF folks are ok for this expression as usual.
>
>
> Daniel Park
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2007 5:53 PM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:
>   
>> With revision -04, we are close to approving this draft in the IESG.
>> Here are the current RFC Editor notes that we'd need to resolve
>> remaining Comments and Discusses. The only substantive change is
 adding
>> a manageability goal that Dan Romascanu asked for in his Discuss.
 Let me
>> know in the next day or two if there's anything alarming in these
 changes.
>>
>> ----
>>
>>  In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to
>>  "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence
>>  of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".
>>
>>  Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"
>>  to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".
>>
>>  In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to
>>  "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".
>>
>>  In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle
>>  [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode
>>  [IEEE802.16e]".
>>
>>  In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the
>>  sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs
>>  which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".
>>
>>  In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:
>>
>>    Goal #6. Define management requirements and specifically the
>>    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
>>    over 802.16.
>>
>>  In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".
>>
>>  In Section 7, please change as follows:
>>
>>  OLD:
>>    the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"
>>  NEW:
>>    the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 16NG mailing list
>> 16NG@ietf.org
>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/16ng
>>
>>     
>
>
>   



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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:14pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;">I did change the section 3 title before ver 4 came out, so this editor note is not needed:<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">&nbsp; In Section 7, please change as follows:<br><br>&nbsp; OLD:<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"<br>&nbsp; NEW:<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"<br></div><br>Also, there seems to be some confusion regarding section numbers (7, 4, 3) in the<br>above editor note. Suggest deleting it as it's already taken care of:<br><br><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a target="_blank"
 href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-16ng-ps-goals-04#section-3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-16ng-ps-goals-04#section-3</a></span><br><br>As for the MIB, I have a couple of observations. There is already plenty of MIB work going on in 802.16.<br>My suggestion is to liaise with 802.16 in order to have 16ng review and comment on those (bringing in <br>the proper MIB doctor support). Upon rechartering, we can decide if the work can continue to live in 802.16.<br>After all, the IETF has lately pushed MIB work to the owners of underlying technologies, so some MIBs have<br>gone back to IEEE. <br><br>Because of this, I'd reword the management goal as:<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.<br><br>Below, I include some extracts from the table of contents in a recent
 (Mar 2007) 802.16 revision draft.<br><br>-gabriel<br><br>9.3 Management information base............................................................................................... 1062<br>9.3.1 Simple network management protocol ...................................................................... 1063<br>9.3.2 Relationship with interface MIB................................................................................ 1063<br>9.3.2.1 MIB-2 integration ...................................................................................... 1063<br>9.3.2.2 Usage of MIB-II tables .............................................................................. 1063<br>9.3.2.3 Events and traps ......................................................................................... 1065<br>9.3.3 wmanDevMib MIB Subtree....................................................................................... 1065<br><br><br>13. IEEE 802.16 MIB structure for
 SNMP.......................................................................................... 1267<br>13.1 wmanIfMib ............................................................................................................................ 1267<br>13.1.1 wmanIfBsObjects....................................................................................................... 1267<br>13.1.1.1 wmanIfBsPacketCs.................................................................................... 1267<br>13.1.1.2 wmanIfBsCps............................................................................................. 1268<br>13.1.1.3 wmanIfBsPkmObjects ............................................................................... 1270<br>13.1.1.4 wmanIfBsNotification ............................................................................... 1270<br>13.1.1.5
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 1479<br><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Jari Arkko &lt;jari.arkko@piuha.net&gt;<br>To: Daniel Park &lt;soohongp@gmail.com&gt;<br>Cc: 16ng@ietf.org<br>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:18:41 AM<br>Subject: Re: [16NG] approving the ps-goals document<br><br>
Thanks. I found one of these expressions in the abstract, changed as<br>follows:<br><br>&nbsp; In the Abstract, please change "running the IETF IP protocols<br>&nbsp; over IEEE 802.16" to "running IP over 802.16".<br><br>Was there more to change?<br><br>Jari<br><br>Daniel Park kirjoitti:<br>&gt; One more changes here is:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; There are two "IETF IP protocols" in this document. Obviously, IP<br>&gt; stands for Internet Protocol. It seems to be a weird expression.<br>&gt; Suggestion is "IETF protocols or IETF IP"...but I don't have a strong<br>&gt; opinion on that if IETF folks are ok for this expression as usual.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Daniel Park<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Dec 21, 2007 5:53 PM, Jari Arkko &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&nbsp;  <br>&gt;&gt; With revision -04, we are close to approving this draft in the IESG.<br>&gt;&gt; Here are the
 current RFC Editor notes that we'd need to resolve<br>&gt;&gt; remaining Comments and Discusses. The only substantive change is
 adding<br>&gt;&gt; a manageability goal that Dan Romascanu asked for in his Discuss.
 Let me<br>&gt;&gt; know in the next day or two if there's anything alarming in these
 changes.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; ----<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; [IEEE802.16e]".<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; which
 are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; Goal #6. Define management requirements and specifically the<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; over 802.16.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; In Section 7, please change as follows:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; OLD:<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; NEW:<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt;&gt; 16NG mailing list<br>&gt;&gt; <a ymailto="mailto:16NG@ietf.org"
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gabriel montenegro kirjoitti:
> I did change the section 3 title before ver 4 came out, so this editor
> note is not needed:

Ah. But the note is about changing the ack for Dave's work on the
overview section. However, you've already changed it... but as I look at
-04, there's still an incorrect section pointer in the ack. It should
say Section 3, not Section 4.

> As for the MIB, I have a couple of observations. There is already
> plenty of MIB work going on in 802.16.
> My suggestion is to liaise with 802.16 in order to have 16ng review
> and comment on those (bringing in
> the proper MIB doctor support). Upon rechartering, we can decide if
> the work can continue to live in 802.16.
> After all, the IETF has lately pushed MIB work to the owners of
> underlying technologies, so some MIBs have
> gone back to IEEE.
>
> Because of this, I'd reword the management goal as:
>
>     Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the
>     interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
>     over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.
Right. Thanks for this observation.

Here's the updated RFC Editor notes:

  In the Abstract, please change "running the IETF IP protocols
  over IEEE 802.16" to "running IP over 802.16".

  In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to
  "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence
  of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".

  Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"
  to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".

  In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to
  "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".

  In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle
  [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode
  [IEEE802.16e]".

  In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the
  sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs
  which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".

  In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:

    Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the
    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
    over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.

  In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".

  In Section 8, please change as follows:

  OLD:
    section 4
  NEW:
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Looks good.

----- Original Message ----
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Cc: Daniel Park <soohongp@gmail.com>; 16ng@ietf.org; "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>
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gabriel montenegro kirjoitti:
> I did change the section 3 title before ver 4 came out, so this
 editor
> note is not needed:

Ah. But the note is about changing the ack for Dave's work on the
overview section. However, you've already changed it... but as I look
 at
-04, there's still an incorrect section pointer in the ack. It should
say Section 3, not Section 4.

> As for the MIB, I have a couple of observations. There is already
> plenty of MIB work going on in 802.16.
> My suggestion is to liaise with 802.16 in order to have 16ng review
> and comment on those (bringing in
> the proper MIB doctor support). Upon rechartering, we can decide if
> the work can continue to live in 802.16.
> After all, the IETF has lately pushed MIB work to the owners of
> underlying technologies, so some MIBs have
> gone back to IEEE.
>
> Because of this, I'd reword the management goal as:
>
>     Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the
>     interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
>     over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.
Right. Thanks for this observation.

Here's the updated RFC Editor notes:

  In the Abstract, please change "running the IETF IP protocols
  over IEEE 802.16" to "running IP over 802.16".

  In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to
  "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence
  of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".

  Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"
  to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".

  In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to
  "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".

  In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle
  [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode
  [IEEE802.16e]".

  In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the
  sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs
  which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".

  In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:

    Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the
    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
    over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.

  In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".

  In Section 8, please change as follows:

  OLD:
    section 4
  NEW:
    section 3






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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:14pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;">Looks good.<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Jari Arkko &lt;jari.arkko@piuha.net&gt;<br>To: gabriel montenegro &lt;gabriel_montenegro_2000@yahoo.com&gt;<br>Cc: Daniel Park &lt;soohongp@gmail.com&gt;; 16ng@ietf.org; "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" &lt;dromasca@avaya.com&gt;<br>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:46:19 AM<br>Subject: Re: [16NG] approving the ps-goals document<br><br>
gabriel montenegro kirjoitti:<br>&gt; I did change the section 3 title before ver 4 came out, so this
 editor<br>&gt; note is not needed:<br><br>Ah. But the note is about changing the ack for Dave's work on the<br>overview section. However, you've already changed it... but as I look
 at<br>-04, there's still an incorrect section pointer in the ack. It should<br>say Section 3, not Section 4.<br><br>&gt; As for the MIB, I have a couple of observations. There is already<br>&gt; plenty of MIB work going on in 802.16.<br>&gt; My suggestion is to liaise with 802.16 in order to have 16ng review<br>&gt; and comment on those (bringing in<br>&gt; the proper MIB doctor support). Upon rechartering, we can decide if<br>&gt; the work can continue to live in 802.16.<br>&gt; After all, the IETF has lately pushed MIB work to the owners of<br>&gt; underlying technologies, so some MIBs have<br>&gt; gone back to IEEE.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Because of this, I'd reword the management goal as:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.<br>Right. Thanks for this
 observation.<br><br>Here's the updated RFC Editor notes:<br><br>&nbsp; In the Abstract, please change "running the IETF IP protocols<br>&nbsp; over IEEE 802.16" to "running IP over 802.16".<br><br>&nbsp; In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to<br>&nbsp; "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence<br>&nbsp; of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".<br><br>&nbsp; Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"<br>&nbsp; to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".<br><br>&nbsp; In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to<br>&nbsp; "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".<br><br>&nbsp; In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle<br>&nbsp; [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode<br>&nbsp; [IEEE802.16e]".<br><br>&nbsp; In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the<br>&nbsp; sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up
 SSs<br>&nbsp; which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".<br><br>&nbsp; In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.<br><br>&nbsp; In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".<br><br>&nbsp; In Section 8, please change as follows:<br><br>&nbsp; OLD:<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; section 4<br>&nbsp; NEW:<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; section 3<br><br><br></div><br></div></div></body></html>
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One more change in Introduction

  "This document provides the feasible IP Subnet model for each IP CS
   and Ethernet CS and specifies the problems in running IP protocols
   for each case."

CHANGE TO:

  "This document provides the feasible IP Subnet model for each IP CS
   and Ethernet CS and specifies the problems in running IP for each case."


Daniel Park


On Dec 21, 2007 8:18 PM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:
> Thanks. I found one of these expressions in the abstract, changed as
> follows:
>
>  In the Abstract, please change "running the IETF IP protocols
>  over IEEE 802.16" to "running IP over 802.16".
>
> Was there more to change?
>
> Jari
>
> Daniel Park kirjoitti:
>
> > One more changes here is:
> >
> > There are two "IETF IP protocols" in this document. Obviously, IP
> > stands for Internet Protocol. It seems to be a weird expression.
> > Suggestion is "IETF protocols or IETF IP"...but I don't have a strong
> > opinion on that if IETF folks are ok for this expression as usual.
> >
> >
> > Daniel Park
> >
> >
> > On Dec 21, 2007 5:53 PM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:
> >
> >> With revision -04, we are close to approving this draft in the IESG.
> >> Here are the current RFC Editor notes that we'd need to resolve
> >> remaining Comments and Discusses. The only substantive change is adding
> >> a manageability goal that Dan Romascanu asked for in his Discuss. Let me
> >> know in the next day or two if there's anything alarming in these changes.
> >>
> >> ----
> >>
> >>  In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to
> >>  "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence
> >>  of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".
> >>
> >>  Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"
> >>  to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".
> >>
> >>  In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to
> >>  "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".
> >>
> >>  In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle
> >>  [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode
> >>  [IEEE802.16e]".
> >>
> >>  In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the
> >>  sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs
> >>  which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".
> >>
> >>  In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:
> >>
> >>    Goal #6. Define management requirements and specifically the
> >>    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
> >>    over 802.16.
> >>
> >>  In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".
> >>
> >>  In Section 7, please change as follows:
> >>
> >>  OLD:
> >>    the section 4, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16-2006 MAC layer"
> >>  NEW:
> >>    the section 3, "Overview of the IEEE 802.16 MAC layer"
> >>
> >>
> >>
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My suggestion was "clarify" instead of "define". I am still prefer
"clarify" to "review". But the change is also ok for me.

Daniel Park

On Dec 22, 2007 4:50 AM, gabriel montenegro
<gabriel_montenegro_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Looks good.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
> To: gabriel montenegro <gabriel_montenegro_2000@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Daniel Park <soohongp@gmail.com>; 16ng@ietf.org; "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)"
> <dromasca@avaya.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:46:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [16NG] approving the ps-goals document
>
>
> gabriel montenegro kirjoitti:
> > I did change the section 3 title before ver 4 came out, so this editor
> > note is not needed:
>
> Ah. But the note is about changing the ack for Dave's work on the
> overview section. However, you've already changed it... but as I look at
> -04, there's still an incorrect section pointer in the ack. It should
> say Section 3, not Section 4.
>
> > As for the MIB, I have a couple of observations. There is already
> > plenty of MIB work going on in 802.16.
> > My suggestion is to liaise with 802.16 in order to have 16ng review
> > and comment on those (bringing in
> > the proper MIB doctor support). Upon rechartering, we can decide if
> > the work can continue to live in 802.16.
> > After all, the IETF has lately pushed MIB work to the owners of
> > underlying technologies, so some MIBs have
> > gone back to IEEE.
> >
> > Because of this, I'd reword the management goal as:
> >
> >    Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the
> >    interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
> >    over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.
> Right. Thanks for this observation.
>
> Here's the updated RFC Editor notes:
>
>   In the Abstract, please change "running the IETF IP protocols
>   over IEEE 802.16" to "running IP over 802.16".
>
>   In Section 1, please change the first occurrence of "BS" to
>   "Base Station (BS)". Similarly, change the first occurrence
>   of "SS" to "Subscriber Station (SS)".
>
>   Also in Section 1, please change "within the current 16ng WG scope"
>   to "within the current scope of IETF efforts".
>
>   In Section 4,1, please change "within the scope of 16ng" to
>   "within the scope of ongoing IETF work".
>
>   In Section 4.1, please change "not to wake up sleep/idle
>   [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "SSs which are in the sleep/idle mode
>   [IEEE802.16e]".
>
>   In Section 4.3, please change "the problem of waking up the
>   sleep/idle [IEEE802.16e] SSs" to "the problem of waking up SSs
>   which are in sleep/idle mode [IEEE802.16e]".
>
>   In Section 4.4, please add the following to the end:
>
>     Goal #6. Review management requirements and specifically the
>     interfaces and specific management model (objects) for IP
>     over 802.16 in collaboration with IEEE 802.16.
>
>   In Section 7, please change "16ng WG" to "IETF 16ng Working Group".
>
>   In Section 8, please change as follows:
>
>   OLD:
>     section 4
>   NEW:
>     section 3
>
>
>
>


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