From nobody Thu Jul 2 09:30:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54813A0A88; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 09:30:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ScWOpecuToai; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-alcoop-nitro2.cisco.com (unknown [173.38.117.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF4A33A0963; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF Chair Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BF5F54DB-4A28-4F93-8C88-A0A49F553B3B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.5\)) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:30:01 -0400 To: ietf , 108attendees@ietf.org, IETF-Announce X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.5) Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] IETF 108 planning updates X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:30:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BF5F54DB-4A28-4F93-8C88-A0A49F553B3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, The IESG wanted to share some details about IETF 108 with you. As = you=E2=80=99ve seen from the preliminary agenda, we received over 100 = session requests for IETF 108. It will be a busy week for sure. =3D=3D Interim meetings =3D=3D There will be no interim meetings scheduled via the datatracker the week = prior to IETF 108 (July 20-24) or during the IETF 108 meeting week (July = 27-31). This will allow attendees time to read drafts and prepare for = the meeting, and it will also help prevent back-to-back weeks of = meetings that could be difficult from a time zone perspective for some = individuals. If chairs request an interim during either of these weeks = they will be asked to amend their request for a later date.=20 =3D=3D Side meetings =3D=3D We will provide a wiki page where individuals can post details about = side meetings they may be organizing during IETF 108. Since there are = many freely available conferencing services, we will not be providing = conferencing support for side meetings. Feel free to reach out to = ietf108planning@ietf.org (which = reaches the IESG, IRTF Chair, LLC, and secretariat) if this setup = presents any difficulties for you. =3D=3D Blue sheets =3D=3D Blue sheets will be automatically generated from the MeetEcho roster and = populated with participant name and affiliation information from the = meeting registration database. They will be automatically loaded into = the datatracker so there is nothing participants or chairs will need to = do with respect to blue sheets. Best, Alissa Cooper on behalf of the IESG= --Apple-Mail=_BF5F54DB-4A28-4F93-8C88-A0A49F553B3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = all,

The IESG wanted to share some details = about IETF 108 with you. As you=E2=80=99ve seen from the preliminary = agenda, we received over 100 session requests for IETF 108. It will be a = busy week for sure.

=3D=3D Interim meetings = =3D=3D

There will be no interim meetings = scheduled via the datatracker the week prior to IETF 108 (July 20-24) or = during the IETF 108 meeting week (July 27-31). This will allow attendees = time to read drafts and prepare for the meeting, and it will also help = prevent back-to-back weeks of meetings that could be difficult from a = time zone perspective for some individuals. If chairs request an interim = during either of these weeks they will be asked to amend their request = for a later date. 

=3D=3D Side = meetings =3D=3D

We will provide a wiki page = where individuals can post details about side meetings they may be = organizing during IETF 108. Since there are many freely available = conferencing services, we will not be providing conferencing support for = side meetings. Feel free to reach out to ietf108planning@ietf.org (which reaches the IESG, = IRTF Chair, LLC, and secretariat) if this setup presents any = difficulties for you.

=3D=3D Blue sheets = =3D=3D

Blue sheets will be automatically = generated from the MeetEcho roster and populated with participant name = and affiliation information from the meeting registration database. They = will be automatically loaded into the datatracker so there is nothing = participants or chairs will need to do with respect to blue sheets.

Best,
Alissa Cooper on behalf of = the IESG= --Apple-Mail=_BF5F54DB-4A28-4F93-8C88-A0A49F553B3B-- From nobody Tue Jul 7 05:39:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBA63A0C3D; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 05:39:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g8vnpcGATLeM; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2d.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 533DB3A0C3F; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2d.google.com with SMTP id ed14so8214611qvb.2; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nF+CfnJT/wNkkEkZNLEOoWpZZe1k937fUue1w729kMc=; b=F7zxFmjKYc99KHh+EC/tQ+oOBqqU5zddDFMOMFeTXqfYyWby9zvKc6gaKlRk3igdax G3jGW4UEEiQy4dpfLYDff4GQrhOUaJBnbnlU8eb7OFGxjeBPHANj+idNPXMz7I96v3P3 WwLiLGw/a7kzQwTRRlh1RZkXOiDEYo9ONCHKwlwt5a6iYEZ1+Rhmpyyf8vNSOBIJ/K62 Jo9/voBs+IcDu7XWqRNlElppu7MhqKN9UFfpaPurm8lO6SjRqyVY+ekDxW+oLGHRwTht 34amFe77UiMDzPrBFgMd7iFI+yB/8mlQBfkV/Ie9j+aag3QNY3OxXpTgv8lp1iKUePDX 2YnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nF+CfnJT/wNkkEkZNLEOoWpZZe1k937fUue1w729kMc=; b=GTIS0s8ZhK4A3u0xvfbRtBDp+RaSZ0eDjKOGuRO9UJ9wGKcQpKNoH0aAGtxfMneAxV a7m1G7rTeQJ4yghyhawSYTru5rI8iz9A+CD80CUlgH3H7gMvEkY8sw7dJFsoMFVMUegd 3o1oa0nc21yderuAu8cYBvGuWHUINqts1j7zqToYnIVVf9fKhTXR2jN0O0QkqLsgMJVY rAXu7DYocmXMJiNYe3oak3Zuxypsl+csThdsICRF6iPMb2MYyXZis6L5/dBR+yMcuxc7 CV3Sw3kYpklM+m2LBkq47wSkLaglWz9e1awHPZEN2OVvDoAtIqFNj7KK7SSZyKFCqP5M gqXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532e6ZIR1MSoEm5c0wrRMAyaVPk4mnlTaK8j/UliDLc6S6VeqJHW qoTHljGV/0NiMWasN2Ns7FTEq7L1U1g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwLUkS1Yc1hRmRF+SMmilxdue4BwMLurH2xJAsZyfud3pL3ncbvIVgCP7+wDNksTdqyywLpog== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:bd88:: with SMTP id n8mr53144663qvg.194.1594125539797; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 05:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.19.113.216] ([2601:18f:702:c870:c83d:517c:bb37:7294]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s8sm26225164qtc.17.2020.07.07.05.38.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jul 2020 05:38:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Aaron Falk" To: 108attendees@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org, ietf Cc: iesg@ietf.org, "IAB IAB" Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 08:38:57 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_178BE972-3ABF-4148-AB51-E144F804FC4F_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] Virtual HotRFC lightning talks for IETF-108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:39:03 -0000 --=_MailMate_178BE972-3ABF-4148-AB51-E144F804FC4F_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit *Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that IETFers should hear about?* *Do you want to propose IETF work but aren’t sure if your idea is ready or who will be interested?* Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request for Conversation (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will submit a 4 minute video to make their case for collaboration. Interested folks can continue the discussion online. Goals include encouraging brainstorming conversations, helping new work proposals find collaborators, raising awareness of relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs. We’re going to try to preserve the value of this session while adapting it to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this is an experiment and feedback is welcome to improve it should we be in this situation again. With that as prologue, here is how we’ll do it this time: * To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@ietf.org that includes the following * Talk title * Presenter, Affiliation * Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in some way) * Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant meetings * All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video * To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to hotrfc@ietf.org no later than 2400 UTC July 21, 2020 * VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer videos will be rejected) * We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube playlist on the [IETF YouTube channel](https://www.youtube.com/user/ietf) * We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate discussion. * Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than dedicated email lists and supports asynchronous messaging with history. (Recall I said this was an experiment. :) * Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up around July 22. I’ll send a note to the IETF & 108attendees when they are ready. Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standards work, updates on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF work, potentially relevant research, and industry advances that could affect IETF participants. With strict time limits, concise talks will give viewers a sense of whether they’d like to know more and, importantly, coordinates on how to do so. I hope you’ll tune in. --aaron --=_MailMate_178BE972-3ABF-4148-AB51-E144F804FC4F_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that = IETFers should hear about?
Do you want to propose IETF work but aren=E2=80=99t sure if your idea= is ready or who will be interested?

Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request fo= r Conversation (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will submit a = 4 minute video to make their case for collaboration. Interested folks can= continue the discussion online. Goals include encouraging brainstorming = conversations, helping new work proposals find collaborators, raising awa= reness of relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs.

We=E2=80=99re going to try to preserve the value of this = session while adapting it to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this i= s an experiment and feedback is welcome to improve it should we be in thi= s situation again. With that as prologue, here is how we=E2=80=99ll do i= t this time:

  • To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@ietf.org that includes the= following
    • Talk title
    • Presenter, Affiliation
    • Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in some way)
    • =
    • Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant = meetings
  • All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video
    • To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to hotrfc@ietf.org no later th= an 2400 UTC July 21, 2020
    • VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer videos will be= rejected)
    • We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube playlist= on the IETF YouTube channel
  • We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate discussio= n.
    • Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than dedicated e= mail lists and supports asynchronous messaging with history. (Recall I s= aid this was an experiment. :)
    • Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up around Ju= ly 22. I=E2=80=99ll send a note to the IETF & 108attendees when they= are ready.

Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standa= rds work, updates on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF= work, potentially relevant research, and industry advances that could af= fect IETF participants. With strict time limits, concise talks will give = viewers a sense of whether they=E2=80=99d like to know more and, importan= tly, coordinates on how to do so.

I hope you=E2=80=99ll tune in.

--aaron

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A software model model that shows the output for given numbers of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE]. Working Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are invi= ted to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimately requires confirmation on the email list. The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows: - A chair begins the hum in meetecho - Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or not all - At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing scale: niente, pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo. As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consensus on a different set of requirements in the future, and update or replace this document. The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability concerns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature changes might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical concerns are best left for long-term consideration by SHMOO. Regards, Martin Duke On behalf of the IESG [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ [I-D.duke] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/ [PARTICIPANTS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/ [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/ [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/ --000000000000322c5205aa060239 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable




The IESG a= nd IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the capability to con= duct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80=9D in fully remote meetings. A software mo= del model that shows the output for given numbers of people humming is avai= lable for experimentation [TEST_SITE].


Working Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense = of the room=E2=80=9D are invited to use this tool to help obtain it. As alw= ays, consensus ultimately requires confirmation on the email list.

The current implemen= tation is based on a specification the IESG developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, = the workflow is as follows:

  • A chair begins the hum in meetecho

    <= /li>
  • Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, = or not all

  • At the conclusion of the hum, = Meetecho will report the approximate loudness of the hum, on the following = increasing scale: niente, pianissimo= , piano, forte, fortissimo.


As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums h= ave specific flaws, the current specification seeks to reproduce the offlin= e version as faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might = reach consensus on a different set of requirements in the future, and updat= e or replace this document.


The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool= at participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions= beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In= particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability conc= erns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature ch= anges might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical= concerns are best left for long-term consideration by SHMOO.

Regards,

Martin Duke

On behalf of the IESG


=

= [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-gui= de/

[I-D.duk= e] https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/

[PARTICIPANTS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide= /

[SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/docu= ments/

[TEST= _SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/<= /span>


--000000000000322c5205aa060239-- From nobody Thu Jul 9 12:02:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240BE3A0DD5; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ksJjDMio62PB; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sobco.sobco.com (unknown [136.248.127.164]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4FD3A0E96; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261B53B24CDD; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:02:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sobco.com Received: from sobco.sobco.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sobco.sobco.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QwiyA9RoBxOR; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golem.sobco.com (golem.sobco.com [136.248.127.162]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B4303B24CCB; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: "Scott O. Bradner" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:02:10 -0400 Cc: ietf , 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Martin Duke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:02:39 -0000 cute! Scott > On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Martin Duke = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Martin Duke > Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM > Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool > To: >=20 >=20 > The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the = capability to conduct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80=9D in fully remote = meetings. A software model model that shows the output for given numbers = of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE]. >=20 > Working Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are = invited to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus = ultimately requires confirmation on the email list. >=20 > The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG = developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows: > =E2=80=A2 A chair begins the hum in meetecho > =E2=80=A2 Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or = not all > =E2=80=A2 At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the = approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing scale: = niente, pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo. >=20 > As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, = the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as = faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach = consensus on a different set of requirements in the future, and update = or replace this document. >=20 > The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at = participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions = beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. = In particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability = concerns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for = feature changes might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious = philosophical concerns are best left for long-term consideration by = SHMOO. >=20 > Regards, > Martin Duke > On behalf of the IESG >=20 > [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ > [I-D.duke] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/ > [PARTICIPANTS] = https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/ > [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/ > [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/ >=20 From nobody Thu Jul 9 12:03:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BD53A0E88; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.086 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.086 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJFPTOE9DRJC; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg1-x529.google.com (mail-pg1-x529.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::529]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 917323A0E47; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x529.google.com with SMTP id p3so1380240pgh.3; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 12:02:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=wm6zzvo6qFcAjYNdcGb7TzWiYNpJ9h4f8T5bApzg9R8=; b=NRC9gefssL7lCB9MOdV0vwfpCla8/ioGpu2JrBJ3S+VTXJLzHfVst3uqNMHBefAZP2 PlZglpHK3baKPuSINvQvTwktjnmkcHiqDQhVGzlGUdHi+KPCmvSWwk0/sYoFONa6Z0l0 1hYA/tZGuNvk+2+gzCr3fvTLih/atBIu2/JGObS/SGfgSFjQbPT68+3+nKL8gxFlFyeq PamaA0a411tgZnBXtQ1jQPv7xarayTU0kx5s2rm65pFoqUZjYfblkGdI/8YyZ4G4a0IW 9j1RbYS6iju8OZ/unIY625YwQJdiu0aZ2Zq992G6wUcgwIF7dKL4iHtew/GdwMZCQVWL aNzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=wm6zzvo6qFcAjYNdcGb7TzWiYNpJ9h4f8T5bApzg9R8=; b=ucqsZUuyj9BNL8RQCtMC8K/FnHdT9Toz9jzqk/oscTbVKrsUFqWiELoHekWbFlPSvF zZL8pyzQlC3FeBK5740+l34h0ID70C5Yixr4jw2sY9jO9xdyphms70b6WbnkepLk6Pr/ p9WXcQc0vwV5wfOFvIlO2O6nxpBs/ChKzMCHg3fifRLWg1PmxjgcwMascos2iYGj9x5Y U3qIQeiDBcpEA3obygQhz0gxj+ZKvmk/ZFixqqPp4L0tlGb6eDhAuo4I2NId5stsQDqy Xu2RsOdD56DE4yxYn2SKatlF5XUxY1E5Ae7gBYnz9JHuS1D9ZeibHRLiRWVmt/02Q+Zn 8kZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530FpXau36c7RAtglKTwaBAnwkkHINAAaBfxGBv/fGY34UJirsRj yMiOUoWkwsHByN6tg9sbVh4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw999AxEJfkvSyp59NBf9Ejb4S9sSMkzCktZF9HB8gW69vCN7/Mpe4dE6b7/c0gtHJo5TTjcg== X-Received: by 2002:a63:125a:: with SMTP id 26mr56769541pgs.340.1594321362025; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 12:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:8802:5800:652::183f? ([2600:8802:5800:652::183f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p9sm3547012pja.4.2020.07.09.12.02.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jul 2020 12:02:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker X-Google-Original-From: Fred Baker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-587DF18F-D9C3-422A-BD19-A0775C7EB66E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:02:40 -0700 Message-Id: <309FB907-A47D-4E36-8045-156B4C91C414@gmail.com> References: Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 108attendees@ietf.org, David Olive In-Reply-To: To: Martin Duke X-Mailer: iPad Mail (17G5059c) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:03:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail-587DF18F-D9C3-422A-BD19-A0775C7EB66E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for this note. Let me put on my =E2=80=9Cco-chair RSSAC=E2=80=9D hat a= nd get your opinion? ICANN has been going through the same issues with virtual meetings that IETF= has. ICANN 67, 68, and 69 - at least - are virtual, and even after that we e= xpect an increased amount of ICANN attendance to be remote. Historically, th= at has been listen-only, and we are thinking we may have to rethink our remo= te access tools. I copy David Olive as he and his group are important in tha= t discussion. ICANN has been using zoom and its =E2=80=9Chand raise=E2=80=9D feature. What= that has meant is that the chair of a discussion, or his/her deputy, watche= s the =E2=80=9Cparticipants=E2=80=9D pane, and invites remote commentary fro= m folks who =E2=80=9Craise their hand=E2=80=9D. It can also be used as a vot= ing tool - =E2=80=9Ceveryone who , raise your hand=E2= =80=9D - allowing the deputy to count. That is a little different than the IETF =E2=80=9Chum=E2=80=9D, which is int= entionally inexact - a =E2=80=9Csense of the room=E2=80=9D. Who in the IETF w= ould you recommend that I encourage David to discuss requirements and tools w= ith? Sent from my iPad > On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Martin Duke wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Martin Duke > Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM > Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool > To: >=20 >=20 > The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the capabi= lity to conduct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80=9D in fully remote meetings. A s= oftware model model that shows the output for given numbers of people hummin= g is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE]. >=20 > Working Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are inv= ited to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimately req= uires confirmation on the email list. >=20 > The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG developed [= I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows: > A chair begins the hum in meetecho > Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or not all > At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the approximate loudnes= s of the hum, on the following increasing scale: niente, pianissimo, piano, f= orte, fortissimo. >=20 > As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, the c= urrent specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as faithfully as= possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consensus on a differ= ent set of requirements in the future, and update or replace this document. >=20 > The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at participant= [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions beginning 15 Ju= ly. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In particular, prac= tical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability concerns, security wea= knesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature changes might be acti= onable prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical concerns are best l= eft for long-term consideration by SHMOO. >=20 > Regards, > Martin Duke > On behalf of the IESG >=20 > [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ > [I-D.duke] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/ > [PARTICIPANTS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide= / > [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/ > [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-587DF18F-D9C3-422A-BD19-A0775C7EB66E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for this note. Let me put on my =E2=80= =9Cco-chair RSSAC=E2=80=9D hat and get your opinion?

ICAN= N has been going through the same issues with virtual meetings that IETF has= . ICANN 67, 68, and 69 - at least - are virtual, and even after that we expe= ct an increased amount of ICANN attendance to be remote. Historically, that h= as been listen-only, and we are thinking we may have to rethink our remote a= ccess tools. I copy David Olive as he and his group are important in that di= scussion.

ICANN has been using zoom and its =E2=80=9C= hand raise=E2=80=9D feature. What that has meant is that the chair of a disc= ussion, or his/her deputy, watches the =E2=80=9Cparticipants=E2=80=9D pane, a= nd invites remote commentary from folks who =E2=80=9Craise their hand=E2=80=9D= . It can also be used as a voting tool - =E2=80=9Ceveryone who <takes a s= tated position>, raise your hand=E2=80=9D - allowing the deputy to count.=

That is a little different than the IETF =E2=80=9C= hum=E2=80=9D, which is intentionally inexact - a =E2=80=9Csense of the room=E2= =80=9D. Who in the IETF would you recommend that I encourage David to discus= s requirements and tools with?

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:01 AM= , Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

=
-------= --- Forwarded message ---------
From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, J= ul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM
Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool<= br>To: <manycouches@ietf.org>


The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Mee= techo team to add the capability to conduct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80=9D i= n fully remote meetings. A software model model that shows the output for gi= ven numbers of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE].<= /span>


Working Group ch= airs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are invited to use this t= ool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimately requires confirmation= on the email list.


The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG develope= d [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows:

  • A chair begins the hum in meete= cho

  • Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, s= oftly, or not all

  • At the conclusion of the hum, M= eetecho will report the approximate loudness of the hum, on the following in= creasing scale: niente, pianissimo, pia= no, forte, fortissimo.


As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specif= ic flaws, the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version a= s faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consen= sus on a different set of requirements in the future, and update or replace t= his document.


Th= e community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at participant [PA= RTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions beginning 15 July. = Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In particular, practica= l operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability concerns, security weaknes= ses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature changes might be actionab= le prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical concerns are best left f= or long-term consideration by SHMOO.


Regards,

Martin Duke

On behalf of the IESG


[CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/m= eetings/108/session-chair-guide/

[I-D.duke] htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/

[PARTICIPANTS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-particip= ant-guide/

[SHMO= O] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/docu= ments/

[TEST_SIT= E] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/


= --Apple-Mail-587DF18F-D9C3-422A-BD19-A0775C7EB66E-- From nobody Thu Jul 9 12:35:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AED3A0E5D; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:35:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LZtTlXxN-vNm; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sobco.sobco.com (unknown [136.248.127.164]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B3A3A0E5C; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70A33B25763; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:35:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sobco.com Received: from sobco.sobco.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sobco.sobco.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xN2oXnV4tz-O; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golem.sobco.com (golem.sobco.com [136.248.127.162]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ADC223B2574C; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: "Scott O. Bradner" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:35:27 -0400 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <360CAAFC-CAB5-436E-A553-8AE6BD33B999@sobco.com> References: To: Martin Duke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:35:37 -0000 btw - I assume that this, like a hum, is is anonymous - all you get is = aggregate volume and not, as Fred asks, vote totals or have any=20 way to find out who hummed and who did not - I also assume that if = 1/10th of the people on the call (for lack of a better word)=20 hummed loudly and no one else hummed at all the result would be very low = volume (i.e. the volume is based on the total # of people that could hum rather than on just those that did) Scott > On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Martin Duke = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Martin Duke > Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM > Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool > To: >=20 >=20 > The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the = capability to conduct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80=9D in fully remote = meetings. A software model model that shows the output for given numbers = of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE]. >=20 > Working Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are = invited to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus = ultimately requires confirmation on the email list. >=20 > The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG = developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows: > =E2=80=A2 A chair begins the hum in meetecho > =E2=80=A2 Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or = not all > =E2=80=A2 At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the = approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing scale: = niente, pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo. >=20 > As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, = the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as = faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach = consensus on a different set of requirements in the future, and update = or replace this document. >=20 > The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at = participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions = beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. = In particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability = concerns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for = feature changes might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious = philosophical concerns are best left for long-term consideration by = SHMOO. >=20 > Regards, > Martin Duke > On behalf of the IESG >=20 > [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ > [I-D.duke] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/ > [PARTICIPANTS] = https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/ > [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/ > [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/ >=20 From nobody Thu Jul 9 18:23:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DA63A0AF1; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:23:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KLRktTBwva6Z; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:2a03:6000:1004:1::68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C8533A0AF5; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2wKb0lbWz14Z; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 03:23:31 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1594344211; bh=chpXm+DDQxOxC2Y6SciLTB5iX49QIkpTf9sUDr6xNLc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=UjMVJm9YkoIYFoszYTRsXkeJ0n/+aIPmUbJipWxZPw83NcJJpIgO/u36FUch87wtA 3gEFP2uRcUpNFLs5sr3sPGfv+OiINx2t+l/NDVxHobw6KZmT2CCSnTYvGfB4IzN6tK 9Gbjr8E7DHuYK3HuePi4T7vI5qtzW3OpHN73zlhQ= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RvUQ8r7zwqOQ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 03:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (bofh.nohats.ca [76.10.157.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 03:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8D47E6029A37; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E04384C6; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:23:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: "Scott O. Bradner" cc: Martin Duke , ietf@ietf.org, 108attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <360CAAFC-CAB5-436E-A553-8AE6BD33B999@sobco.com> Message-ID: References: <360CAAFC-CAB5-436E-A553-8AE6BD33B999@sobco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:23:39 -0000 On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, Scott O. Bradner wrote: > btw - I assume that this, like a hum, is is anonymous - all you get is aggregate volume and not, as Fred asks, vote totals or have any > way to find out who hummed and who did not - I also assume that if 1/10th of the people on the call (for lack of a better word) > hummed loudly and no one else hummed at all the result would be very low volume (i.e. the volume is based on the total > # of people that could hum rather than on just those that did) I find humming at times have been wildely differently interpreted than what I heard. In physical meetings we dont have easy tools to vote anonymously. But when we are meeting virtually, I would have expected us to improve the humming system - not implement its real flaws, in this case potentially literally amplified and send looping back. Why not a flag or button to set, with the results anonymized and rounded up/down based on the size of the meeting. So we get answers like "25% of the room" or "just a few people" or "the vast majority". Seeing as a lot of the times, the humming questions are confusing, a place for the WG chair to write down the question and possible answers would also have added clarification to our current virtualized emulated humming system. Paul From nobody Thu Jul 9 18:49:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D1D3A0B5B; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:49:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ixX4wcqIFVVo; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd32.google.com (mail-io1-xd32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E67FA3A0B55; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd32.google.com with SMTP id c16so4410274ioi.9; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:49:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=S/jNmaCnUcs1gbve76bREYEhcxGdRS2SrNTDAv4jcKM=; b=aaTRU+FzANxdCVVw5Rk33X/CRT1szuXP1SxUj7ttsTZxUNji9k6EqR1wps9r/A60JI bzB8bUnzeNkdu3pJsMUUFC78bSGZ8vwEQzIxXVC2ozmDi1/vTKPgzRQ8qlsr179dSkaK HA1QLKL1U+9fe4jsOD2KTRvzaBgJ7SLdPNj+tYaohrbG3q80RSgLPcgPcmaboFXRH3hT rua9B2qa1JUa3Qh1HXe6Jd3REdwhpe5zHL2edKKCM8UseAgRYWTijv+ToW0E7YgmBYH1 b7evBzC9fKZXdPWjGhxVD4RnNnOXs8+aC4CPOP1AP4w1W5YIBdUsYOqtLm+aAdl1/0Jy Oy/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=S/jNmaCnUcs1gbve76bREYEhcxGdRS2SrNTDAv4jcKM=; b=R77GHfGYG5HsNJf4CvQfnrIQQ6r4IT3bc6dBaTCVFKym8adKzAP0JgyN5n3Ux8v5S4 RgzqLI6a4VHSj6CQP/2crn++fh8o27hSxrtY7fV6Gx0vxX2iMZHlTlsCR1ED73ujL5zv uC0AqyxXkAxtDPhz0n2QXQEIcLl0/VaFXWX2MDWM51vqbdjRqvBfBC/mQKbK5cYbVpmB SusQXHa+j+5/K3dwhLFA2oKct1hQ7MI0UqA8splSCDSEFRKowCyZsv/srfuQmedscn/V syhyfY6fmIRA47hqZfb0pwwXhRaObl+ulrxMGGNTOVH5AvSj22QpJJWzrVf5othrYieU bgow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5313TP9RI1rQkv6dIDjlFqJkWbMoatpHMnjtc66Ohjn0Ewdsu39V qRfMLJktUGNp5bdZJHfl/dDbee6RRuCRmq3jZrU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJylbIjaQC6AZQ2Tzqniys8kQeCrBKf1zL88f42WW2A2Eqytmi3KCMHGn0+XJjXKOH5hjIRNx14qisSoiWd19uY= X-Received: by 2002:a02:6381:: with SMTP id j123mr37456246jac.103.1594345793252; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:49:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <360CAAFC-CAB5-436E-A553-8AE6BD33B999@sobco.com> In-Reply-To: From: Martin Duke Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:49:41 -0700 Message-ID: To: Paul Wouters Cc: "Scott O. Bradner" , ietf@ietf.org, 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a7f0e505aa0c8e4a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:49:55 -0000 --000000000000a7f0e505aa0c8e4a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Paul, I believe my original email answers your questions. On Thu, Jul 9, 2020, 18:23 Paul Wouters wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jul 2020, Scott O. Bradner wrote: > > > btw - I assume that this, like a hum, is is anonymous - all you get is > aggregate volume and not, as Fred asks, vote totals or have any > > way to find out who hummed and who did not - I also assume that if > 1/10th of the people on the call (for lack of a better word) > > hummed loudly and no one else hummed at all the result would be very low > volume (i.e. the volume is based on the total > > # of people that could hum rather than on just those that did) > > I find humming at times have been wildely differently interpreted than > what I heard. In physical meetings we dont have easy tools to vote > anonymously. But when we are meeting virtually, I would have expected > us to improve the humming system - not implement its real flaws, in this > case potentially literally amplified and send looping back. > > Why not a flag or button to set, with the results anonymized and rounded > up/down based on the size of the meeting. So we get answers like "25% of > the room" or "just a few people" or "the vast majority". > > Seeing as a lot of the times, the humming questions are confusing, a > place for the WG chair to write down the question and possible answers > would also have added clarification to our current virtualized emulated > humming system. > > Paul > --000000000000a7f0e505aa0c8e4a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul, I believe my original email answers your questions.=

On= Thu, 9 Jul 2020, Scott O. Bradner wrote:

> btw - I assume that this, like a hum, is is anonymous - all you get is= aggregate volume and not, as Fred asks, vote totals or have any
> way to find out who hummed and who did not=C2=A0 - I also assume that = if 1/10th of the people on the call (for lack of a better word)
> hummed loudly and no one else hummed at all the result would be very l= ow volume (i.e. the volume is based on the total
> # of people that could hum rather than on just those that did)

I find humming at times have been wildely differently interpreted than
what I heard. In physical meetings we dont have easy tools to vote
anonymously. But when we are meeting virtually, I would have expected
us to improve the humming system - not implement its real flaws, in this case potentially literally amplified and send looping back.

Why not a flag or button to set, with the results anonymized and rounded up/down based on the size of the meeting. So we get answers like "25% = of
the room" or "just a few people" or "the vast majority&= quot;.

Seeing as a lot of the times, the humming questions are confusing, a
place for the WG chair to write down the question and possible answers
would also have added clarification to our current virtualized emulated
humming system.

Paul
--000000000000a7f0e505aa0c8e4a-- From nobody Fri Jul 10 03:08:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744B83A07C5; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 03:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jAO_F0lTgwDO; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 03:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9D73A07C6; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 03:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stubbs.int.chopps.org (047-050-069-038.biz.spectrum.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5433060F1F; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 10:08:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Hopps Message-Id: <81D8FC9C-241F-4CF7-AA02-02343931D409@chopps.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DDD8B724-45C8-4080-823E-A1D6872AC016"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 06:08:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: Christian Hopps , ietf@ietf.org, 108attendees@ietf.org To: Martin Duke References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 10:08:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DDD8B724-45C8-4080-823E-A1D6872AC016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Will there be a function that captures a non-anonymous raising of hands = (like the email list or the in-person meeting)? Not all WGs use hums. Thanks, Chris. > On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Martin Duke = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Martin Duke > Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM > Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool > To: >=20 >=20 > The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the = capability to conduct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80=9D in fully remote = meetings. A software model model that shows the output for given numbers = of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE]. >=20 > Working Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are = invited to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus = ultimately requires confirmation on the email list. >=20 > The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG = developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows: > =E2=80=A2 A chair begins the hum in meetecho > =E2=80=A2 Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or = not all > =E2=80=A2 At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the = approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing scale: = niente, pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo. >=20 > As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, = the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as = faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach = consensus on a different set of requirements in the future, and update = or replace this document. >=20 > The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at = participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions = beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. = In particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability = concerns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for = feature changes might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious = philosophical concerns are best left for long-term consideration by = SHMOO. >=20 > Regards, > Martin Duke > On behalf of the IESG >=20 > [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ > [I-D.duke] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/ > [PARTICIPANTS] = https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/ > [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/ > [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/ >=20 --Apple-Mail=_DDD8B724-45C8-4080-823E-A1D6872AC016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEm56yH/NF+m1FHa6lLh2DDte4MCUFAl8IPi8ACgkQLh2DDte4 MCXdlg//coondh+tO4odZrZenudCAUKCWwL5MbklNgowJXxIo/GKyS9WXgH7rI/E WRZ6X/hSPJrZevbVgOU8jBPhGGz+PUrtEZ1bOZ57i6kkj/sObbfdFv+3lBcMfwTx TjDhvP6TBPNwLRgTwYXxn7p8BlELukeOwojWnkIaoKrC5ko4ZGh426cV6GPHkf8i nH5pvb5r1g9MFRPdKWcyEIVAdBCO/prWtlwbzeE5+D+i5RH0lpqXA7Xo99M9XE2x c7sej8L50Z7zhRdTAAu4KKH7yXx2CDC+XZFU8HxqlL1wO/Pucso9wg3IYy0Hm8dO KeTDGRk/R/5z47cEKChy5gX/FsXvy7MfUo77naIiTOtBAQCHVgTfIn+7H/mDir3t ZnxN9p3KDNVIGgDD0C+bKaCm11UBgQC8NkqlGeRRgNNuCtP0iaJQa3uYzRTcObMN /AQWnyOwIIjKPI1MbS8OarqX1ZtYnqM75+qHv80Dao+hyOupWYQzfWb2Hd9IF5sW LqyMhR7VAfkIB0gKn7Wo0I0+wtWfxoTdRn20okq9/edGL6hB/gp5EJsdRv8paCP6 sZpUxjc3fiEcvbn6mqtaBqYvyF2QouRVDHILvgfEArGdnW3CCccQIlKkrA2I93E1 uyW19TQr9uPFk+TywlUxxVQHzCbZD+3HiVRWBEDL3ljVhiDw5Mc= =XAD5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_DDD8B724-45C8-4080-823E-A1D6872AC016-- From nobody Fri Jul 10 06:48:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7653A0CF9; 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Fri, 10 Jul 2020 06:48:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <81D8FC9C-241F-4CF7-AA02-02343931D409@chopps.org> In-Reply-To: <81D8FC9C-241F-4CF7-AA02-02343931D409@chopps.org> From: Martin Duke Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 06:48:01 -0700 Message-ID: To: Christian Hopps Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006e6d7405aa169715" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:48:13 -0000 --0000000000006e6d7405aa169715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IIUC the best way to do this is via jabber. On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 3:08 AM Christian Hopps wrote: > Will there be a function that captures a non-anonymous raising of hands > (like the email list or the in-person meeting)? Not all WGs use hums. > > Thanks, > Chris. > > > On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Martin Duke wrote= : > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: Martin Duke > > Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM > > Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool > > To: > > > > > > The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the > capability to conduct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80=9D in fully remote meet= ings. A software > model model that shows the output for given numbers of people humming is > available for experimentation [TEST_SITE]. > > > > Working Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are = invited to use > this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimately requires > confirmation on the email list. > > > > The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG > developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows: > > =E2=80=A2 A chair begins the hum in meetecho > > =E2=80=A2 Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or = not all > > =E2=80=A2 At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the > approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing scale: nient= e, > pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo. > > > > As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, th= e > current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as faithfull= y > as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consensus on a > different set of requirements in the future, and update or replace this > document. > > > > The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at > participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions > beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. I= n > particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability > concerns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for > feature changes might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious > philosophical concerns are best left for long-term consideration by SHMOO= . > > > > Regards, > > Martin Duke > > On behalf of the IESG > > > > [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ > > [I-D.duke] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/ > > [PARTICIPANTS] > https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/ > > [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/ > > [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/ > > > > --0000000000006e6d7405aa169715 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IIUC the best way to do this is via jabber.

On Fri, Jul 10,= 2020 at 3:08 AM Christian Hopps <c= hopps@chopps.org> wrote:
Will there be a function that captures a non-anonymous rais= ing of hands (like the email list or the in-person meeting)? Not all WGs us= e hums.

Thanks,
Chris.

> On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> wrote: >
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM
> Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool
> To: <many= couches@ietf.org>
>
>
> The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the ca= pability to conduct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80=9D in fully remote meetings= . A software model model that shows the output for given numbers of people = humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE].
>
> Working Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are= invited to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimatel= y requires confirmation on the email list.
>
> The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG develo= ped [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 A chair begins the hum in meetecho=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Participants have 20 seconds to hu= m loudly, softly, or not all
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 At the conclusion of the hum, Meet= echo will report the approximate loudness of the hum, on the following incr= easing scale: niente, pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo.
>
> As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, t= he current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as faithful= ly as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consensus on a = different set of requirements in the future, and update or replace this doc= ument.
>
> The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at partici= pant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions beginning = 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In particular= , practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability concerns, secur= ity weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature changes might= be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical concerns a= re best left for long-term consideration by SHMOO.
>
> Regards,
> Martin Duke
> On behalf of the IESG
>
> [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/10= 8/session-chair-guide/
> [I-D.duke] https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/
> [PARTICIPANTS] https://ietf.org/how= /meetings/108/session-participant-guide/
> [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/d= ocuments/
> [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/<= /a>
>

--0000000000006e6d7405aa169715-- From nobody Fri Jul 10 07:30:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE773A0D86; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:30:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mDsRYp3g3ezf; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3744E3A0D70; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3FnQ05HMz6GFP4; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:30:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1594391418; bh=1rWN1AU2hBxhKUzX7pDTbfmdbpFiY4Gjm0l0IN+DziY=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=MHLDP3r+OB8r53KnWvuN+dcJTPds12wi+xiulwu8dv3dWXszs3ZAP8GOEl8UJ0Tce ag13aeBwW69unuKOObv6sNILD116R0yIkvZJ91EfLTFACVMUjgTIN2Y2/CMdSkfOtM DGiOwgxJXKyrlyqfeRP3y/eo0cpOcV5XkRatT+sg= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at a2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B3FnP1VY8z6GD3B; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:30:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Christian Hopps , Martin Duke Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 108attendees@ietf.org References: <81D8FC9C-241F-4CF7-AA02-02343931D409@chopps.org> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 10:30:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <81D8FC9C-241F-4CF7-AA02-02343931D409@chopps.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:30:31 -0000 My first reaction is that a recordable list of hands is useful for a different problem that WGs also have. When the chairs asks "who commits to reviewing and contributing to this" it is useful to be easily able to note the hands. If a WG does not want to use humms, it is free not to. Different process pieces. (In terms of judging support rather than active work for a draft, I don't see much value in taking names at the virtual meeting, since it still needs to be confirmed on the list. I may be missing the case you are considering Chris.) Yours, Joel On 7/10/2020 6:08 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: > Will there be a function that captures a non-anonymous raising of hands (like the email list or the in-person meeting)? Not all WGs use hums. > > Thanks, > Chris. > >> On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Martin Duke wrote: >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Martin Duke >> Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM >> Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool >> To: >> >> >> The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the capability to conduct “virtual hums” in fully remote meetings. A software model model that shows the output for given numbers of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE]. >> >> Working Group chairs seeking “a sense of the room” are invited to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimately requires confirmation on the email list. >> >> The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows: >> • A chair begins the hum in meetecho >> • Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or not all >> • At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing scale: niente, pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo. >> >> As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consensus on a different set of requirements in the future, and update or replace this document. >> >> The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability concerns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature changes might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical concerns are best left for long-term consideration by SHMOO. >> >> Regards, >> Martin Duke >> On behalf of the IESG >> >> [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ >> [I-D.duke] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/ >> [PARTICIPANTS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/ >> [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/ >> [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/ >> > From nobody Fri Jul 10 08:03:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82533A0D4A; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 08:03:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, 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(EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Paul Wouters , 108attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <360CAAFC-CAB5-436E-A553-8AE6BD33B999@sobco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:32:44 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Paul Wouters wrote: > Seeing as a lot of the times, the humming questions are confusing, a > place for the WG chair to write down the question and possible answers > would also have added clarification to our current virtualized emulated > humming system. Most of the problems with hums (physical or virtual) are the lack of clearly articulated questions, and lack of understanding of rfc7282 section 4: Humming should be the start of a conversation, not the end So while I think that: > So we get answers like "25% of > the room" or "just a few people" or "the vast majority". is perhaps a useful improvement, it doesn't address that many questions are not clearly YES/NO. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl8IpjYACgkQgItw+93Q 3WW/YAgAwMQAYe5kb0G7T3gRdQFQ4xNK1r9DHuGzqcZXqLxskIksdH4YwaoM5fXZ xo5R5WnRb6VYLFlbS/WZ4yjo3+Wd6tn/Z5LY4wEknNYr9vmNptOqxlMftgnQftLu FTtCsmKz8rD9wl5d/tO94FnMey4DfDBmwUXMsGS4stXruQy6ARmK9Z9EnTSSnEei J6nQvOOchGkxMLsbnMNA3dVuVTEvZ11QxvgpZj1VjvhV0XRw5/epvMa4xWXoV8Zd Dh9wyfLyB7k3FsuY9mON3s7MYuKAkRFr/85Ee3EzcpExydage5Jm8YFdPipEn+kV hjyv6kVdyageSJ3G006IY1+FWg1ogQ== =xzYX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Sun Jul 12 17:20:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B653A0AD3; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AunT2UlpWbaB; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf1-x430.google.com (mail-pf1-x430.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::430]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A5F63A0AD9; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x430.google.com with SMTP id x72so5209251pfc.6; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:20:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:thread-index :content-language; bh=oDPbodLJWEkdL9tedxuVAv/gGIslBTA5TEbLhKcvekk=; b=SlnpeIq7B0T9RzNvfmrxasTNIu8WuF73tuSWZmi2DZVBk4VyrXpjX2ZWbQ0I+uR4WR 0yXWOdY9B3GP0Io4wvtrnpL5Aa2Uk2V3z/Z/FfybK8K38Q0lQA6Ni9k4P1JGk5r06XS8 XOddNywF/EMyYgXEkp2FiDnNfYyl0JgLzXW6iOFWnbqT4yDppO42Q/JlPIHMySP4MeAc oz1ai3seKXRYOPNY0r80qrHiE+n0uUXvWg+EzT8JKHUmZc1MSs7JHRFprrX14O37NlWJ olJK292tIptl3qdoMfrQDF/7aPcGkY+TgSXXXE5Uf7CbxdZzq7yMsuD+OHy0q5YlLFLN uVgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=oDPbodLJWEkdL9tedxuVAv/gGIslBTA5TEbLhKcvekk=; b=gBHNM4AvloVZ5yFYplfiA8FIX4OjoGLOCJjnPHySGmiWwaTvjIoO+w9jeAy4U2guz4 HRH757xRhrdQKqoVtSMZxdHppT4Sz8WTcfCaVBohWMdB6tI7NZi6KfoyCV2Xwj/i6de0 mhsEBWuPvrx/zM4DFcFGTMUp235vFtOSjQnI6KggG9wyCmpPQBF+xYa2FQhaOZTQ3q4j TN4okbRJjrxTqlsgohynq50rp7JSJF7AmQ+Do5umcGWQkdJKMKMh8ONyXEWXiHjJvwdZ 3PIq60tjG61CydoJqr3sOvsVXwasfx82zM2KB8WNoEDZn2xAU/nJFcUdZmjiyullxOTl z2zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530uAe/GjFy5eRYtXR3fH0hCwhDQiFQEhn9CWai6IaikB44MtLfC Q+brULxwBLbrBqktpg4hUwKAcaOn42g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJznXjj51o+rAXMYEew0cKHFxcA7Ys0cMpL2oP9ItankKgxFh+f6p6geE1VdmkLmjtEgtSDXeQ== X-Received: by 2002:a63:4a0e:: with SMTP id x14mr70017788pga.271.1594599638267; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TVPC (c-67-169-101-78.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. 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Perhaps for some groups a GUI with buttons are better, but having it = integrated into chat avoids shifting attention. =20 One of the most useful simple features of zakim is when you want to = speak, you can say why =20 * q+ to ask refute John=E2=80=99s claims =20 Every floor management system has its own idiosyncrasies, but using a = chatbot makes more sense than a separate gui in this context and easier = to integrate. -- https://LarryMasinter.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0261_01D65870.C2532A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

https://www.w3.org= /2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html is a chat bot used by W3C to integrate = queue management with chat.

Perhaps = for some groups a GUI with buttons are better, but having it integrated = into chat avoids shifting attention.

 

One of the = most useful simple features of zakim is when you want to speak, you can = say why

 

  • q+ to ask refute = John=E2=80=99s claims

 

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Presenters will submit a 4 minute video = to > make their case for collaboration. Interested folks can continue the > discussion online. Goals include encouraging brainstorming conversations, > helping new work proposals find collaborators, raising awareness of > relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs. > > We=E2=80=99re going to try to preserve the value of this session while ad= apting it > to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this is an experiment and feedbac= k > is welcome to improve it should we be in this situation again. With that = as > prologue, here is how we=E2=80=99ll do it this time: > > - To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@ietf.org that > includes the following > - Talk title > - Presenter, Affiliation > - Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in some way) > - Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant > meetings > - All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video > - To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to > hotrfc@ietf.org no later than 2400 UTC July 21, 2020 > - VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer videos > will be rejected) > - We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube > playlist on the IETF YouTube channel > > - We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate > discussion. > - Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than > dedicated email lists and supports asynchronous messaging with hist= ory. > (Recall I said this was an experiment. :) > - Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up > around July 22. I=E2=80=99ll send a note to the IETF & 108attendees= when they are > ready. > > Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standards work, update= s > on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF work, potentially > relevant research, and industry advances that could affect IETF > participants. With strict time limits, concise talks will give viewers a > sense of whether they=E2=80=99d like to know more and, importantly, coord= inates on > how to do so. > > I hope you=E2=80=99ll tune in. > > --aaron > --000000000000b4cc5e05aa675550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Reminder: the submission deadline for Hot= RFC is one week from today.=C2=A0 --aaron

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:38 AM Aar= on Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:
=

Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that IE= TFers should hear about?
Do you want to propose IETF work but aren=E2=80=99t sure if your idea i= s ready or who will be interested?

Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request for = Conversation (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will submit a 4 mi= nute video to make their case for collaboration. Interested folks can conti= nue the discussion online. Goals include encouraging brainstorming conversa= tions, helping new work proposals find collaborators, raising awareness of = relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs.

We=E2=80=99re going to try to preserve the value of this se= ssion while adapting it to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this is an= experiment and feedback is welcome to improve it should we be in this situ= ation again. With that as prologue, here is how we=E2=80=99ll do it this t= ime:

  • To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@ietf.org= that includes the following
    • Talk title
    • Presenter, Affiliation
    • Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in some way)
    • Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant me= etings
  • All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video
    • To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to hotrfc@ie= tf.org no later than 2400 UTC July 21, 2020
    • VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer videos will be r= ejected)
    • We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube playlist o= n the IETF YouTube channel
  • We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate discussion.
    • Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than dedicated ema= il lists and supports asynchronous messaging with history. (Recall I said = this was an experiment. :)
    • Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up around July= 22. I=E2=80=99ll send a note to the IETF & 108attendees when they are= ready.

Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standard= s work, updates on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF wor= k, potentially relevant research, and industry advances that could affect I= ETF participants. With strict time limits, concise talks will give viewers = a sense of whether they=E2=80=99d like to know more and, importantly, coord= inates on how to do so.

I hope you=E2=80=99ll tune in.

--aaron

--000000000000b4cc5e05aa675550-- From nobody Fri Jul 17 07:46:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71983A0C17; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:46:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.118 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.118 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i24DN1Sgkx2Z; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EA153A0C0A; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7A8548068; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 54ACC440043; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:46:16 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Aaron Falk Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org, ietf , IAB IAB , The IESG Message-ID: <20200717144616.GA28530@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Virtual HotRFC lightning talks for IETF-108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:46:25 -0000 Hi Aaron, So.. i am wondering if the HotRFC logistics written down below is complete, or if there is going to be an actual time slot when the videos will be shown. If its ONLY whats written down and there is no dedicated slot, it would still be highly valuable to have an entry in the IETF agenda for it so folks will find i easier. Cheers toerless Given how it looks as if the videos are expected to be accessible from Jul 22nd, it sounds as if there might be no dedicated one-hour slot ?? Is there a target time slot for HotRFC ? On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:07:48AM -0400, Aaron Falk wrote: > Reminder: the submission deadline for HotRFC is one week from today. > --aaron > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:38 AM Aaron Falk wrote: > > > *Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that IETFers should hear > > about?* > > *Do you want to propose IETF work but aren???t sure if your idea is ready or > > who will be interested?* > > > > Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request for Conversation > > (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will submit a 4 minute video to > > make their case for collaboration. Interested folks can continue the > > discussion online. Goals include encouraging brainstorming conversations, > > helping new work proposals find collaborators, raising awareness of > > relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs. > > > > We???re going to try to preserve the value of this session while adapting it > > to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this is an experiment and feedback > > is welcome to improve it should we be in this situation again. With that as > > prologue, here is how we???ll do it this time: > > > > - To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@ietf.org that > > includes the following > > - Talk title > > - Presenter, Affiliation > > - Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in some way) > > - Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant > > meetings > > - All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video > > - To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to > > hotrfc@ietf.org no later than 2400 UTC July 21, 2020 > > - VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer videos > > will be rejected) > > - We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube > > playlist on the IETF YouTube channel > > > > - We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate > > discussion. > > - Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than > > dedicated email lists and supports asynchronous messaging with history. > > (Recall I said this was an experiment. :) > > - Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up > > around July 22. I???ll send a note to the IETF & 108attendees when they are > > ready. > > > > Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standards work, updates > > on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF work, potentially > > relevant research, and industry advances that could affect IETF > > participants. With strict time limits, concise talks will give viewers a > > sense of whether they???d like to know more and, importantly, coordinates on > > how to do so. > > > > I hope you???ll tune in. > > > > --aaron > > > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Fri Jul 17 07:50:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79FC3A0C1B; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:50:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z5BXldgioT4V; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FB1D3A0C1D; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com with SMTP id t7so4331716qvl.8; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:50:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F7Z+RKPjya1X8atEWLXTv/CKa4Bg3q/pZEKJt2qtdBo=; b=EJqpyCAmnZJeM++OyH1Nuj8B1+2nMcHC1bOZ8KTGEj77gjcd5KbY7KYocBSpY2OXZW aNZrh4gNQnUOChW1ivJfmajsEyY0QTugEACpkbUQQTeO+CToH/a8LVLOfg13QC+DN8Cj g7jmOn3kAKRV5YVAErR/6HugZyJd8mmU64e6qqtzAfCFHkxp4ewVEFs0XoLbQlBYRHs+ 0cBKVGarV4rX66bx2/FwbCEgGHneVX6M2xnowk1AIpxy6owWPDT0xnAho5f6v1inqmAo cV6xBVRseZSKNwfltGfcf8hKEoxXR8YAGX7Hnt+9DaD1zv8U4qLooL10auuGbp7snC1r g2Bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F7Z+RKPjya1X8atEWLXTv/CKa4Bg3q/pZEKJt2qtdBo=; b=RTjCQsdnrbFo/E913AYTGz9er6CdOFPoPQ96rOQKpLOtDCjBNgjqyLRlG3zdUTxtY2 RFyxDvUd+5hDtTTJapT1Gqp9zbu9QCPCtfdXdqSygUbmgrlB2Hzv7tGqODxZraX8Axlv Rdq2jon2OYiOlqxjToBTCcC30EqpNg+MdaX/HiNc96RC1NwQc0cutntqhM3XUOHgeg+E hAzg+t8p26xfOwJhPDBVrMmh0hMju71fa//IFmDLObhY/XFUG1R2T0VI00Z4hFfYoVJ+ q4hBq022X6vt8NqNRLnblDwsYGRXz/vkwg+cQ4WMYmjGNkfAyciRVAODMtWLbEaXsMRR VHag== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532AP4jioCZiwOCqPpPFzSvDI8vK34k+1blMlqXVhGTrJF5UAS+V Snri+F2atKXRWkPlzKmSqwXQkO3xauc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxMEfpJA9tN2sQmr7Qy01PJVNbOzoEtAHkJDsGRYJxIMdR2ZylC9ylGDLt/THIVK8jWtOGtqA== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:f991:: with SMTP id t17mr9572323qvn.50.1594997408034; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [169.254.1.29] ([2601:18f:702:c870:1180:4c78:34ab:8200]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i26sm10901815qkh.14.2020.07.17.07.50.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Aaron Falk" To: "Toerless Eckert" Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org, ietf , "IAB IAB" , "The IESG" Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:50:06 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: <63FC870A-1D9E-43B4-BE9F-12A7D848F757@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20200717144616.GA28530@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20200717144616.GA28530@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_0BA2991F-533D-4CE1-9C48-A8E4E1B550C6_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Virtual HotRFC lightning talks for IETF-108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:50:12 -0000 --=_MailMate_0BA2991F-533D-4CE1-9C48-A8E4E1B550C6_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Toerless, The idea is to have a fully asynchronous session. Once the videos are posted, discussion can happen on Slack at any time. I agree it would be helpful to have something in the agenda as I’m compiling abstracts and I think folks may find them useful to consult in advance. I’ll ask the secretariat if they can support an agenda entry that doesn’t include a time. --aaron ps. I’ve received only two slot requests. I hope others are thinking about submitting. On 17 Jul 2020, at 10:46, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Hi Aaron, > > So.. i am wondering if the HotRFC logistics written down below is > complete, or if there is going to be an actual time slot when the > videos will be shown. > > If its ONLY whats written down and there is no dedicated slot, it > would still > be highly valuable to have an entry in the IETF agenda for it so folks > will > find i easier. > > Cheers > toerless > > Given how it looks as if the videos are expected to be accessible from > Jul 22nd, > it sounds as if there might be no dedicated one-hour slot ?? > > Is there a target time slot for HotRFC ? > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:07:48AM -0400, Aaron Falk wrote: >> Reminder: the submission deadline for HotRFC is one week from today. >> --aaron >> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:38 AM Aaron Falk >> wrote: >> >>> *Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that IETFers should >>> hear >>> about?* >>> *Do you want to propose IETF work but aren???t sure if your idea is >>> ready or >>> who will be interested?* >>> >>> Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request for >>> Conversation >>> (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will submit a 4 minute >>> video to >>> make their case for collaboration. Interested folks can continue the >>> discussion online. Goals include encouraging brainstorming >>> conversations, >>> helping new work proposals find collaborators, raising awareness of >>> relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs. >>> >>> We???re going to try to preserve the value of this session while >>> adapting it >>> to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this is an experiment and >>> feedback >>> is welcome to improve it should we be in this situation again. With >>> that as >>> prologue, here is how we???ll do it this time: >>> >>> - To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@ietf.org >>> that >>> includes the following >>> - Talk title >>> - Presenter, Affiliation >>> - Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in some >>> way) >>> - Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or >>> relevant >>> meetings >>> - All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video >>> - To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to >>> hotrfc@ietf.org no later than 2400 UTC July 21, 2020 >>> - VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer >>> videos >>> will be rejected) >>> - We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube >>> playlist on the IETF YouTube channel >>> >>> - We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate >>> discussion. >>> - Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than >>> dedicated email lists and supports asynchronous messaging with >>> history. >>> (Recall I said this was an experiment. :) >>> - Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up >>> around July 22. I???ll send a note to the IETF & 108attendees >>> when they are >>> ready. >>> >>> Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standards work, >>> updates >>> on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF work, >>> potentially >>> relevant research, and industry advances that could affect IETF >>> participants. With strict time limits, concise talks will give >>> viewers a >>> sense of whether they???d like to know more and, importantly, >>> coordinates on >>> how to do so. >>> >>> I hope you???ll tune in. >>> >>> --aaron >>> > >> -- >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de --=_MailMate_0BA2991F-533D-4CE1-9C48-A8E4E1B550C6_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= p dir=3D"auto">Hi Toerless,

The idea is to have a fully asynchronous session. Once t= he videos are posted, discussion can happen on Slack at any time. I agre= e it would be helpful to have something in the agenda as I=E2=80=99m comp= iling abstracts and I think folks may find them useful to consult in adva= nce. I=E2=80=99ll ask the secretariat if they can support an agenda entr= y that doesn=E2=80=99t include a time.

--aaron

ps. I=E2=80=99ve received only two slot requests. I hop= e others are thinking about submitting.

On 17 Jul 2020, at 10:46, Toerless Eckert wrote:

Hi Aaron,

So.. i am wondering if the HotRFC logistics written down below is
complete, or if there is going to be an actual time slot when the
videos will be shown.

If its ONLY whats written down and there is no dedicated slot, it would s= till
be highly valuable to have an entry in the IETF agenda for it so folks wi= ll
find i easier.

Cheers
toerless

Given how it looks as if the videos are expected to be accessible from Ju= l 22nd,
it sounds as if there might be no dedicated one-hour slot ??

Is there a target time slot for HotRFC ?

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:07:48AM -0400, Aaron Falk wrote:

Reminder: t= he submission deadline for HotRFC is one week from today.
--aaron

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:38 AM Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wr= ote:

*Do you hav= e an idea, problem space, or proposal that IETFers should hear
about?*
*Do you want to propose IETF work but aren???t sure if your idea is ready= or
who will be interested?*

Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request for Conversation (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will submit a 4 minute video = to
make their case for collaboration. Interested folks can continue the
discussion online. Goals include encouraging brainstorming conversations,=
helping new work proposals find collaborators, raising awareness of
relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs.

We???re going to try to preserve the value of this session while adapting= it
to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this is an experiment and feedbac= k
is welcome to improve it should we be in this situation again. With that = as
prologue, here is how we???ll do it this time:

- To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@ietf.org that includes the following
- Talk title
- Presenter, Affiliation
- Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in some way)<= br> - Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relev= ant
meetings
- All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video
- To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to
hotrfc@ietf.org no later than 2400 UTC July 21, 2020
- VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer videos
= will be rejected)
- We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube
playlist on the IETF YouTube channel
<https://www.youtube.com/user/ietf>
- We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate
discussion.
- Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than
dedicated email lists and supports asynchronous messaging with hist= ory.
(Recall I said this was an experiment. :)
- Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up
around July 22. I???ll send a note to the IETF & 108attendees w= hen they are
ready.

Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standards work, update= s
on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF work, potentially=
relevant research, and industry advances that could affect IETF
participants. With strict time limits, concise talks will give viewers a<= br> sense of whether they???d like to know more and, importantly, coordinates= on
how to do so.

I hope you???ll tune in.

--aaron

<= p dir=3D"auto">--
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108attendees@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees

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--=_MailMate_0BA2991F-533D-4CE1-9C48-A8E4E1B550C6_=-- From nobody Fri Jul 17 08:40:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA323A0789; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:40:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.118 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.118 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E1-1f0QRLnJz; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2629D3A0788; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDC9548068; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:40:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id CC1D0440043; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:40:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:40:06 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Aaron Falk Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org, ietf , IAB IAB , The IESG Message-ID: <20200717154006.GA5525@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20200717144616.GA28530@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <63FC870A-1D9E-43B4-BE9F-12A7D848F757@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <63FC870A-1D9E-43B4-BE9F-12A7D848F757@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Virtual HotRFC lightning talks for IETF-108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:40:15 -0000 On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:50:06AM -0400, Aaron Falk wrote: > Hi Toerless, > > The idea is to have a fully asynchronous session. Once the videos are > posted, discussion can happen on Slack at any time. I agree it would be > helpful to have something in the agenda as I???m compiling abstracts and I > think folks may find them useful to consult in advance. I???ll ask the > secretariat if they can support an agenda entry that doesn???t include a > time. Thanks. Good to know, as we want to make a submission, but will probably not be available at the usual sunday slot. Cheers Toerless > --aaron > > ps. I???ve received only two slot requests. I hope others are thinking > about submitting. > > On 17 Jul 2020, at 10:46, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > Hi Aaron, > > > > So.. i am wondering if the HotRFC logistics written down below is > > complete, or if there is going to be an actual time slot when the > > videos will be shown. > > > > If its ONLY whats written down and there is no dedicated slot, it would > > still > > be highly valuable to have an entry in the IETF agenda for it so folks > > will > > find i easier. > > > > Cheers > > toerless > > > > Given how it looks as if the videos are expected to be accessible from > > Jul 22nd, > > it sounds as if there might be no dedicated one-hour slot ?? > > > > Is there a target time slot for HotRFC ? > > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:07:48AM -0400, Aaron Falk wrote: > > > Reminder: the submission deadline for HotRFC is one week from today. > > > --aaron > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:38 AM Aaron Falk > > > wrote: > > > > > > > *Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that IETFers > > > > should hear > > > > about?* > > > > *Do you want to propose IETF work but aren???t sure if your idea > > > > is ready or > > > > who will be interested?* > > > > > > > > Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request for > > > > Conversation > > > > (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will submit a 4 > > > > minute video to > > > > make their case for collaboration. Interested folks can continue the > > > > discussion online. Goals include encouraging brainstorming > > > > conversations, > > > > helping new work proposals find collaborators, raising awareness of > > > > relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs. > > > > > > > > We???re going to try to preserve the value of this session while > > > > adapting it > > > > to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this is an experiment > > > > and feedback > > > > is welcome to improve it should we be in this situation again. > > > > With that as > > > > prologue, here is how we???ll do it this time: > > > > > > > > - To request a slot, submit a short abstract to > > > > hotrfc@ietf.org that > > > > includes the following > > > > - Talk title > > > > - Presenter, Affiliation > > > > - Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in > > > > some way) > > > > - Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or > > > > relevant > > > > meetings > > > > - All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video > > > > - To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to > > > > hotrfc@ietf.org no later than 2400 UTC July 21, 2020 > > > > - VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer > > > > videos > > > > will be rejected) > > > > - We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube > > > > playlist on the IETF YouTube channel > > > > > > > > - We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate > > > > discussion. > > > > - Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than > > > > dedicated email lists and supports asynchronous messaging > > > > with history. > > > > (Recall I said this was an experiment. :) > > > > - Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up > > > > around July 22. I???ll send a note to the IETF & > > > > 108attendees when they are > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standards > > > > work, updates > > > > on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF work, > > > > potentially > > > > relevant research, and industry advances that could affect IETF > > > > participants. 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On 7 Jul 2020, at 8:38, Aaron Falk wrote: > *Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that IETFers should > hear about?* > *Do you want to propose IETF work but aren’t sure if your idea is > ready or who will be interested?* > > Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request for > Conversation (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will submit a > 4 minute video to make their case for collaboration. Interested folks > can continue the discussion online. Goals include encouraging > brainstorming conversations, helping new work proposals find > collaborators, raising awareness of relevant work going on elsewhere, > and promoting BarBoFs. > > We’re going to try to preserve the value of this session while > adapting it to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this is an > experiment and feedback is welcome to improve it should we be in this > situation again. With that as prologue, here is how we’ll do it > this time: > > * To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@ietf.org that > includes the following > * Talk title > * Presenter, Affiliation > * Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in some way) > * Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant > meetings > * All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video > * To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to hotrfc@ietf.org > no later than 2400 UTC July 21, 2020 > * VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer videos will > be rejected) > * We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube > playlist on the [IETF YouTube > channel](https://www.youtube.com/user/ietf) > * We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate > discussion. > * Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than dedicated > email lists and supports asynchronous messaging with history. (Recall > I said this was an experiment. :) > * Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up around > July 22. I’ll send a note to the IETF & 108attendees when they are > ready. > > Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standards work, > updates on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF work, > potentially relevant research, and industry advances that could affect > IETF participants. With strict time limits, concise talks will give > viewers a sense of whether they’d like to know more and, > importantly, coordinates on how to do so. > > I hope you’ll tune in. > > --aaron --=_MailMate_5B47FCF5-6809-48E2-8184-B4E4F013E832_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Reminder: cutoff for HotRFC submissions is tomorrow: 2400= UTC July 21, 2020.

On 7 Jul 2020, at 8:38, Aaron Falk wrote:

Do you have an idea, problem space, or proposal that = IETFers should hear about?
Do you want to propose IETF work but aren=E2=80=99t sure if your idea= is ready or who will be interested?

Agenda requests are now being accepted for the Request fo= r Conversation (HotRFC) lightning talk session. Presenters will submit a = 4 minute video to make their case for collaboration. Interested folks can= continue the discussion online. Goals include encouraging brainstorming = conversations, helping new work proposals find collaborators, raising awa= reness of relevant work going on elsewhere, and promoting BarBoFs.

We=E2=80=99re going to try to preserve the value of this = session while adapting it to a fully online meeting. Keep in mind this i= s an experiment and feedback is welcome to improve it should we be in thi= s situation again. With that as prologue, here is how we=E2=80=99ll do i= t this time:

  • To request a slot, submit a short abstract to hotrfc@ietf.org that includes the fo= llowing
    • Talk title
    • Presenter, Affiliation
    • Short topic abstract (topics should be IETF-related in some way)
    • =
    • Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant = meetings
  • All talks will be presented via pre-recorded video
    • To submit a talk, send a link to a YouTube video to hotrfc@ietf.org no later than = 2400 UTC July 21, 2020
    • VIDEO MUST BE NO MORE THAN 4 MINUTES IN LENGTH (longer videos will be= rejected)
    • We will aggregate the videos into an IETF-108 HotRFC YouTube playlist= on the IETF YouTube channel
  • We will provide a Slack channel for each talk to facilitate discussio= n.
    • Slack has been selected because it is lighter-weight than dedicated e= mail lists and supports asynchronous messaging with history. (Recall I s= aid this was an experiment. :)
    • Assuming no hiccups, the playlist and channels should be up around Ju= ly 22. I=E2=80=99ll send a note to the IETF & 108attendees when they= are ready.

Past HotRFC topics have included proposals for new standa= rds work, updates on relevant technologies, highlights of cross-area IETF= work, potentially relevant research, and industry advances that could af= fect IETF participants. With strict time limits, concise talks will give = viewers a sense of whether they=E2=80=99d like to know more and, importan= tly, coordinates on how to do so.

I hope you=E2=80=99ll tune in.

--aaron

--=_MailMate_5B47FCF5-6809-48E2-8184-B4E4F013E832_=-- From nobody Mon Jul 20 17:23:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185733A1210 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21FYi0a-A6ed for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hardakers.net (mail.hardakers.net [168.150.192.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08A593A120F for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5516720EA6 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: 108attendees@ietf.org Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:22:58 -0700 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] (virtual) IETF Guides request -- please consider signing up X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 00:23:01 -0000 Hi folks, Two topics: Guides and Quick Connections GUIDES: As mentioned previously, we are going to try to run the IETF Guides program virtually for IETF 108. We have a good number of registered participants that we're hoping to match with guides soon. A number of you have registered to be guides or updated your profiles accordingly, and we greatly appreciate that. If you haven't registered and are willing to help introduce new attendees into the ways of the IETF, please sign up here (if you've registered before it should be as easy as updating your "arrival" date to something near this IETF, say 2020/07/26). https://guides.ietf.org/guides/become_guide QUICK CONNECTIONS: We'll be hosting a virtual quick connections too using the gather.town website this Thursday at 3pm UTC. If you're able to participate in this round-robin discussion in a virtual forum, please sign up here: https://forms.gle/z2N21SwshAduoTyh9 Thanks very much for your help in keeping these two programs being successful. They've been highly appreciated by new IETF participants attending physical conferences, and we're confident that they'll be helpful virtually as well. 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Find an abstract you are interested in below 2. Watch linked video 3. Discuss in slack channel or suggested forum --- ##1. How to measure Network Performances with user devices Mauro Cociglio (mauro.cociglio@telecomitalia.it) Massimo Nilo (massimo.nilo@telecomitalia.it) Fabio Bulgarella (fabio.bulgarella@guest.telecomitalia.it) Abstract After Spin bit introduction, and now with packet loss measurement proposals, the Explicit Performance Monitoring on client-server protocols (e.g. QUIC) becomes an interesting topic for Telco. Explicit Performance Monitoring enables a passive Observer to measure delay and packet loss only watching the marking (a few bits) of production traffic packets. We propose that the first place where to put the Explicit Performance Observer is on the user device (e.g. mobile phones, PCs). Two main reasons of this choice. 1. Scalability. On the user device there are few connections to monitor. 2. User device and network probes coordination. It=E2=80=99s possible to set alarm thresholds on the user device (and to signal to network probes to monitor only the sessions with impairments, in order to segment the performance measurements and to locate the faults). In this case network probes, also embedded into network nodes, need to monitor only a limited number of connections (the ones that have problems). Coordinates Explicit packet loss measurements draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cfb-ippm-spinbit-measurements-02 Presentation: IETF 108 IPPM WG meeting, 14:10-15:50, Friday Session III, Room 8 Hackathon IETF 108 =E2=80=93 QUIC Measurement Project. Opening Monday, July 20, 14:00-15:00 Closing Friday, July 24. 14:00-15:00 Video: https://youtu.be/YYTPVNGpUog Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017GSPSG13 ---- ##2. Segment Routing Multicast Huaimo Chen, Futurewei Abstract: Seven years ago, a number of drafts about Segment Routing (SR) were presented in IETF. SR eliminates the states in the core of a network for any point-to-point (P2P) path or tunnel, which is used to transport the traffic across the network. This improves the network scalability greatly. SR is widely deployed now. However, there is no solution for SR Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) path/tree or SR Multicast, which transports the traffic from the ingress of the path/tree to the multiple egresses/leaves of the path/tree in a SR domain and no state stored in the core of the network for any SR P2MP path. We proposed a solution for it and submitted a new draft in PIM working group to be presented in details there in IETF 108. In our solution, there is no state stored in the core of the network for any SR P2MP path like any SR P2P path. We will present the solution in a high level in HotRFC and would like to get your feedback from architecture to some technical details. Video: https://youtu.be/X8Wwyok6xzg Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017GSR1V9T ---- ##3. lisp-nexagon Sharon Barkai, Nexar Abstract: Peer to Peer mobility networks have been standardized in the past but require augmentation in the form of multi-point to multi-point geo-spatial IP channels. Mp2Mp is realized using high-function hair-pinned aggregation between senders and receivers. They are needed for the following reasons: 1) vision: its an extra mobility sensor becoming pervasive but when reporting goes beyond what cars sense, its hard for peers to compile a world view of for example a junction out of the multiple perspectives of the other peers. Its much easier for an aggregation that maintains the observed location state through time 2) global: multiple applications require current state snap-shot of whats happening in the streets not just immediate peers. Curb parking, blockages, construction are some examples, but more importantly AV-OSS. AV fleets require remote operation supports capacity for catching =E2=80=9Cconfusing=E2=80=9D dynamic situation= s. When = these arise it is important to steer AVs clear of these locations not to max-out AV-OSS through shared global tile state. 3) platoon pub-sub: AV operations is expected to make extensive use of platooning. Remote operated =E2=80=9Clocomotive=E2=80=9D cars pi= ckup AV = cars as they go based on where they are and where they are going. Mp2Mp geo-spatial IP channels is a good base layer to convey both location and destination as well as enough information for AVs to be able to lock-on on their own. The draft-lisp-nexagon rfc itself is a relatively simple informational which specifies how to use lisp overlay logical IPv6 addresses (EID) as geo-spatial functional hair-pins (convert H3 res9 tile IDs to EIDs). EIDs are also used as ephemeral pub-sub credentials through diameter allocation along with XTR anchoring coordinate. It specifies how to use lisp signal free mcast (s,g) channel registration to receive updates based on location and theme of interest. Source and Group are also lisp EIDs. The channel structure enables brokering of legacy BSM messages but In addition it specifies a 64bit where 64bit what format for vision information. Vision enumerations are 64bit and tied to H3 res15 64 bit tile IDs based on Berkeley Deep Drive consortium specifications. Finally it has reserved enumeration flags for platooning, for example lock-on via 1 byte flag 7byte license plate enum for autonomous visual lock. Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant meetings: lispwg Video: https://youtu.be/dK2II3oFzqE Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017QDRSJ3W ---- ##4. LOOPS BOF @ IETF108 Carsten Bormann, TZI Abstract: Local Optimizations on Path Segments: IETF 108 Working-group forming BOF We briefly discuss the objectives for LOOPS, in-network recovery for = lost packets, and the Working-Group forming BOF on Friday, 2020-07-31, = 1100Z. Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant = meetings: https://github.com/loops-wg/charter https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/Loops Video: https://youtu.be/AM0KdyqMYOA Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01883MPHLY ---- ##5. ASDF BOF @ IETF108 Carsten Bormann, TZI Abstract: A Semantic Definition Format (SDF) for Data and Interactions of Things IETF 108 Non-working-group-forming BOF We briefly discuss the objectives for ASDF, a common data modeling = language for kinds of IoT devices, and the Non-Working-Group forming BOF = on Tuesday, 2020-07-31, 1100Z. Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant = meetings: https://onedm.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ASDF https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108 Video: https://youtu.be/mGPma1wAM4U Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017GSTUHN1 ---- ##6. JSONPath standardization @ IETF108 Carsten Bormann, TZI Abstract: JSONPath has been around since 2007 for selecting positions in and subtrees of a JSON document. It has never been formally standardized. Now is about the time, and we have a slot at the DISPATCH WG meeting to discuss how. * Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant = meetings: https://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/ https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath-00.html Video: https://youtu.be/Ujch6Wukjc0 Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017J8D4ZEW ---- ##7. Move beyond the ossified Forwarding Plane Toerless Eckert, Futurewei USA Alexander Clemm, Stewart Bryant, Uma Chunduri, Futurewei USA Abstract: Motivation and explanations to establish forums and research group activity to look beyond the current ossified forwarding plane. (network layerr & friends). Slides: = https://github.com/network2030/meetings/blob/master/v108-hotrfc/hotrfc-sl= ides-ppt.ppt?raw=3Dtrue Contacts/see-also: authors in first slide, references, side-meeting in last slide Video: https://youtu.be/jmNICFsqcUc Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017QDVQ736 --=_MailMate_942D5DF6-C972-4CAE-8803-880035574A6A_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

HotRFC Abstracts & Links

HOWTO:
1. Find an abstract you are interested in below
2. Watch linked video
3. Discuss in slack channel or suggested forum


1. How to measure Network Performances with= user devices

Mauro Cociglio (mauro.cociglio@telecomitalia.it) Massimo Nilo (massimo.nilo@telecomitalia.it)
Fabio Bulgarella (fabio.bulgarella@guest.telecomitalia.it)<= /p>

Abstract

After Spin bit introduction, and now with packet loss mea= surement
proposals, the Explicit Performance Monitoring on client-server
protocols (e.g. QUIC) becomes an interesting topic for Telco.
Explicit Performance Monitoring enables a passive Observer to measure
= delay and packet loss only watching the marking (a few bits) of
production traffic packets. We propose that the first place where to
= put the Explicit Performance Observer is on the user device
(e.g. mobile phones, PCs). Two main reasons of this choice.

  1. Scalability. On the user device there are few connections= to monitor.
  2. User device and network probes coordination.

It=E2=80=99s possible to set alarm thresholds on the user= device (and to
signal to network probes to monitor only the sessions with
impairments, in order to segment the performance measurements and to
locate the faults). In this case network probes, also embedded into
network nodes, need to monitor only a limited number of connections
(the ones that have problems).

Coordinates
Explicit packet loss measurements draft:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cfb-ippm-= spinbit-measurements-02

Presentation:
IETF 108 IPPM WG meeting, 14:10-15:50, Friday Session III, Room 8

Hackathon IETF 108 =E2=80=93 QUIC Measurement Project. Opening Monday, July 20, 14:00-15:00
Closing Friday, July 24. 14:00-15:00

Video: https://youtu.be/YYTPVNGpUog

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01= 7GSPSG13


2. Segment Routing Multicast

Huaimo Chen, Futurewei

Abstract:
Seven years ago, a number of drafts about Segment Routing (SR) were
presented in IETF. SR eliminates the states in the core of a network
for any point-to-point (P2P) path or tunnel, which is used to
transport the traffic across the network. This improves the network
scalability greatly. SR is widely deployed now. However, there is no
solution for SR Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) path/tree or SR Multicast,
= which transports the traffic from the ingress of the path/tree to the
= multiple egresses/leaves of the path/tree in a SR domain and no state
= stored in the core of the network for any SR P2MP path. We proposed a
= solution for it and submitted a new draft in PIM working group to be
presented in details there in IETF 108. In our solution, there is no
= state stored in the core of the network for any SR P2MP path like any
= SR P2P path. We will present the solution in a high level in HotRFC
and would like to get your feedback from architecture to some
technical details.

Video: https://youtu.be/X8Wwyok6xzg

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01= 7GSR1V9T


3. lisp-nexagon

Sharon Barkai, Nexar

Abstract:

Peer to Peer mobility networks have been standardized in = the past but
require augmentation in the form of multi-point to multi-point
geo-spatial IP channels. Mp2Mp is realized using high-function
hair-pinned aggregation between senders and receivers. They are needed for the following reasons:

1) vision: its an extra mobility sensor becoming pervasiv= e but when
reporting goes beyond what cars sense, its hard for peers to
compile a world view of for example a junction out of the
multiple perspectives of the other peers. Its much easier for an
= aggregation that maintains the observed location state through
time

2) global: multiple applications require current state sn= ap-shot of
whats happening in the streets not just immediate peers. Curb
parking, blockages, construction are some examples, but more
importantly AV-OSS. AV fleets require remote operation supports
capacity for catching =E2=80=9Cconfusing=E2=80=9D dynamic situations= =2E When these
arise it is important to steer AVs clear of these locations not
to max-out AV-OSS through shared global tile state.

3) platoon pub-sub: AV operations is expected to make ext= ensive use
of platooning. Remote operated =E2=80=9Clocomotive=E2=80=9D cars pic= kup AV cars
as they go based on where they are and where they are
going. Mp2Mp geo-spatial IP channels is a good base layer to
convey both location and destination as well as enough
information for AVs to be able to lock-on on their own.

The draft-lisp-nexagon rfc itself is a relatively simple = informational
which specifies how to use lisp overlay logical IPv6 addresses (EID)
as geo-spatial functional hair-pins (convert H3 res9 tile IDs to
EIDs). EIDs are also used as ephemeral pub-sub credentials through
diameter allocation along with XTR anchoring coordinate. It specifies
= how to use lisp signal free mcast (s,g) channel registration to
receive updates based on location and theme of interest. Source and
Group are also lisp EIDs.

The channel structure enables brokering of legacy BSM mes= sages but In
addition it specifies a 64bit where 64bit what format for vision
information. Vision enumerations are 64bit and tied to H3 res15 64 bit tile IDs based on Berkeley Deep Drive consortium
specifications. Finally it has reserved enumeration flags for
platooning, for example lock-on via 1 byte flag 7byte license plate
enum for autonomous visual lock.

Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/= or relevant
meetings: lispwg

Video: https://youtu.be/dK2II3oFzqE

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01= 7QDRSJ3W


4. LOOPS BOF @ IETF108

Carsten Bormann, TZI

Abstract:
Local Optimizations on Path Segments: IETF 108 Working-group forming BOF<= /p>

We briefly discuss the objectives for LOOPS, in-network r= ecovery for lost packets, and the Working-Group forming BOF on Friday, 20= 20-07-31, 1100Z.

Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/= or relevant meetings:

https://github.com/loops-wg/charter
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/Loops

Video: https://youtu.be/AM0KdyqMYOA

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01= 883MPHLY


5. ASDF BOF @ IETF108

Carsten Bormann, TZI

Abstract:

A Semantic Definition Format (SDF) for Data and Interacti= ons of Things
IETF 108 Non-working-group-forming BOF

We briefly discuss the objectives for ASDF, a common data= modeling language for kinds of IoT devices, and the Non-Working-Group fo= rming BOF on Tuesday, 2020-07-31, 1100Z.

Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/= or relevant meetings:

htt= ps://onedm.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ASDF
https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108

Video: https://youtu.be/mGPma1wAM4U

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01= 7GSTUHN1


6. JSONPath standardization @ IETF108

Carsten Bormann, TZI

Abstract:

JSONPath has been around since 2007 for selecting positio= ns in and
subtrees of a JSON document. It has never been formally standardized. Now is about the time, and we have a slot at the DISPATCH WG meeting
to discuss how.

  • Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant = meetings:

https://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-goessner-dispat= ch-jsonpath-00.html

Video: https://youtu.be/Ujch6Wukjc0

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01= 7J8D4ZEW


7. Move beyond the ossified Forwarding Plan= e

Toerless Eckert, Futurewei USA
Alexander Clemm, Stewart Bryant, Uma Chunduri, Futurewei USA

Abstract:

Motivation and explanations to establish forums and resea= rch group
activity to look beyond the current ossified forwarding plane.
(network layerr & friends).

Slides: https://github.com/network2030/meetings/blob/master/v108-hotrf= c/hotrfc-slides-ppt.ppt?raw=3Dtrue

Contacts/see-also: authors in first slide, references, si= de-meeting in
last slide

Video: https://youtu.be/jmNICFsqcUc

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01= 7QDVQ736

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Find an abstract you are interested in below > 2. Watch linked video > 3. Discuss in slack channel or suggested forum > > --- > > ##1. How to measure Network Performances with user devices > > Mauro Cociglio (mauro.cociglio@telecomitalia.it) > Massimo Nilo (massimo.nilo@telecomitalia.it) > Fabio Bulgarella (fabio.bulgarella@guest.telecomitalia.it) > > Abstract > > After Spin bit introduction, and now with packet loss measurement > proposals, the Explicit Performance Monitoring on client-server > protocols (e.g. QUIC) becomes an interesting topic for Telco. > Explicit Performance Monitoring enables a passive Observer to measure > delay and packet loss only watching the marking (a few bits) of > production traffic packets. We propose that the first place where to > put the Explicit Performance Observer is on the user device > (e.g. mobile phones, PCs). Two main reasons of this choice. > > 1. Scalability. On the user device there are few connections to > monitor. > 2. User device and network probes coordination. > > It=E2=80=99s possible to set alarm thresholds on the user device (and t= o > signal to network probes to monitor only the sessions with > impairments, in order to segment the performance measurements and to > locate the faults). In this case network probes, also embedded into > network nodes, need to monitor only a limited number of connections > (the ones that have problems). > > Coordinates > Explicit packet loss measurements draft: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cfb-ippm-spinbit-measurements-02 > > Presentation: > IETF 108 IPPM WG meeting, 14:10-15:50, Friday Session III, Room 8 > > Hackathon IETF 108 =E2=80=93 QUIC Measurement Project. > Opening Monday, July 20, 14:00-15:00 > Closing Friday, July 24. 14:00-15:00 > > Video: https://youtu.be/YYTPVNGpUog > > Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017GSPSG13 > > ---- > > ##2. Segment Routing Multicast > > Huaimo Chen, Futurewei > > Abstract: > Seven years ago, a number of drafts about Segment Routing (SR) were > presented in IETF. SR eliminates the states in the core of a network > for any point-to-point (P2P) path or tunnel, which is used to > transport the traffic across the network. This improves the network > scalability greatly. SR is widely deployed now. However, there is no > solution for SR Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) path/tree or SR Multicast, > which transports the traffic from the ingress of the path/tree to the > multiple egresses/leaves of the path/tree in a SR domain and no state > stored in the core of the network for any SR P2MP path. We proposed a > solution for it and submitted a new draft in PIM working group to be > presented in details there in IETF 108. In our solution, there is no > state stored in the core of the network for any SR P2MP path like any > SR P2P path. We will present the solution in a high level in HotRFC > and would like to get your feedback from architecture to some > technical details. > > Video: https://youtu.be/X8Wwyok6xzg > > Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017GSR1V9T > > ---- > > ##3. lisp-nexagon > > Sharon Barkai, Nexar > > Abstract: > > Peer to Peer mobility networks have been standardized in the past but > require augmentation in the form of multi-point to multi-point > geo-spatial IP channels. Mp2Mp is realized using high-function > hair-pinned aggregation between senders and receivers. They are needed > for the following reasons: > > 1) vision: its an extra mobility sensor becoming pervasive but when > reporting goes beyond what cars sense, its hard for peers to > compile a world view of for example a junction out of the > multiple perspectives of the other peers. Its much easier for an > aggregation that maintains the observed location state through > time > > 2) global: multiple applications require current state snap-shot of > whats happening in the streets not just immediate peers. Curb > parking, blockages, construction are some examples, but more > importantly AV-OSS. AV fleets require remote operation supports > capacity for catching =E2=80=9Cconfusing=E2=80=9D dynamic situatio= ns. When = > these > arise it is important to steer AVs clear of these locations not > to max-out AV-OSS through shared global tile state. > > 3) platoon pub-sub: AV operations is expected to make extensive use > of platooning. Remote operated =E2=80=9Clocomotive=E2=80=9D cars p= ickup AV = > cars > as they go based on where they are and where they are > going. Mp2Mp geo-spatial IP channels is a good base layer to > convey both location and destination as well as enough > information for AVs to be able to lock-on on their own. > > The draft-lisp-nexagon rfc itself is a relatively simple informational > which specifies how to use lisp overlay logical IPv6 addresses (EID) > as geo-spatial functional hair-pins (convert H3 res9 tile IDs to > EIDs). EIDs are also used as ephemeral pub-sub credentials through > diameter allocation along with XTR anchoring coordinate. It specifies > how to use lisp signal free mcast (s,g) channel registration to > receive updates based on location and theme of interest. Source and > Group are also lisp EIDs. > > The channel structure enables brokering of legacy BSM messages but In > addition it specifies a 64bit where 64bit what format for vision > information. Vision enumerations are 64bit and tied to H3 res15 64 bit > tile IDs based on Berkeley Deep Drive consortium > specifications. Finally it has reserved enumeration flags for > platooning, for example lock-on via 1 byte flag 7byte license plate > enum for autonomous visual lock. > > Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant > meetings: lispwg > > Video: https://youtu.be/dK2II3oFzqE > > Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017QDRSJ3W > > ---- > > ##4. LOOPS BOF @ IETF108 > > Carsten Bormann, TZI > > Abstract: > Local Optimizations on Path Segments: IETF 108 Working-group forming = > BOF > > We briefly discuss the objectives for LOOPS, in-network recovery for = > lost packets, and the Working-Group forming BOF on Friday, 2020-07-31, = > 1100Z. > > Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant = > meetings: > > https://github.com/loops-wg/charter > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/Loops > > Video: https://youtu.be/AM0KdyqMYOA > > Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01883MPHLY > > ---- > > ##5. ASDF BOF @ IETF108 > > Carsten Bormann, TZI > > Abstract: > > A Semantic Definition Format (SDF) for Data and Interactions of Things > IETF 108 Non-working-group-forming BOF > > We briefly discuss the objectives for ASDF, a common data modeling = > language for kinds of IoT devices, and the Non-Working-Group forming = > BOF on Tuesday, 2020-07-31, 1100Z. > > Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant = > meetings: > > https://onedm.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ASDF > https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108 > > Video: https://youtu.be/mGPma1wAM4U > > Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017GSTUHN1 > > ---- > > ##6. JSONPath standardization @ IETF108 > > Carsten Bormann, TZI > > Abstract: > > JSONPath has been around since 2007 for selecting positions in and > subtrees of a JSON document. 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On 22 Jul 2020, at 9:21, Aaron Falk wrote:

HotRFC Abstracts & Links

HOWTO:
1. Find an abstract you are interested in below
2. Watch linked video
3. Discuss in slack channel or suggested forum


1. How to measure Network Performances with= user devices

Mauro Cociglio (mauro.cociglio@telecomitalia.it)
Massimo Nilo (massimo.nilo@telecomitalia.it)
Fabio Bulgarella (fabio.bulgarella@guest.telecomitalia.it)

=

Abstract

After Spin bit introduction, and now with packet loss mea= surement
proposals, the Explicit Performance Monitoring on client-server
protocols (e.g. QUIC) becomes an interesting topic for Telco.
Explicit Performance Monitoring enables a passive Observer to measure
= delay and packet loss only watching the marking (a few bits) of
production traffic packets. We propose that the first place where to
= put the Explicit Performance Observer is on the user device
(e.g. mobile phones, PCs). Two main reasons of this choice.

  1. Scalability. On the user device there are few connections= to monitor.
  2. User device and network probes coordination.

It=E2=80=99s possible to set alarm thresholds on the user= device (and to
signal to network probes to monitor only the sessions with
impairments, in order to segment the performance measurements and to
locate the faults). In this case network probes, also embedded into
network nodes, need to monitor only a limited number of connections
(the ones that have problems).

Coordinates
Explicit packet loss measurements draft:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cfb-ippm-spi= nbit-measurements-02

Presentation:
IETF 108 IPPM WG meeting, 14:10-15:50, Friday Session III, Room 8

Hackathon IETF 108 =E2=80=93 QUIC Measurement Project. Opening Monday, July 20, 14:00-15:00
Closing Friday, July 24. 14:00-15:00

Video: https://youtu.be/YYTPVNGpUog

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017GS= PSG13


2. Segment Routing Multicast

Huaimo Chen, Futurewei

Abstract:
Seven years ago, a number of drafts about Segment Routing (SR) were
presented in IETF. SR eliminates the states in the core of a network
for any point-to-point (P2P) path or tunnel, which is used to
transport the traffic across the network. This improves the network
scalability greatly. SR is widely deployed now. However, there is no
solution for SR Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) path/tree or SR Multicast,
= which transports the traffic from the ingress of the path/tree to the
= multiple egresses/leaves of the path/tree in a SR domain and no state
= stored in the core of the network for any SR P2MP path. We proposed a
= solution for it and submitted a new draft in PIM working group to be
presented in details there in IETF 108. In our solution, there is no
= state stored in the core of the network for any SR P2MP path like any
= SR P2P path. We will present the solution in a high level in HotRFC
and would like to get your feedback from architecture to some
technical details.

Video: https://youtu.be/X8Wwyok6xzg

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017GS= R1V9T


3. lisp-nexagon

Sharon Barkai, Nexar

Abstract:

Peer to Peer mobility networks have been standardized in = the past but
require augmentation in the form of multi-point to multi-point
geo-spatial IP channels. Mp2Mp is realized using high-function
hair-pinned aggregation between senders and receivers. They are needed for the following reasons:

1) vision: its an extra mobility sensor becoming pervasiv= e but when
reporting goes beyond what cars sense, its hard for peers to
compile a world view of for example a junction out of the
multiple perspectives of the other peers. Its much easier for an
= aggregation that maintains the observed location state through
time

2) global: multiple applications require current state sn= ap-shot of
whats happening in the streets not just immediate peers. Curb
parking, blockages, construction are some examples, but more
importantly AV-OSS. AV fleets require remote operation supports
capacity for catching =E2=80=9Cconfusing=E2=80=9D dynamic situations= =2E When these
arise it is important to steer AVs clear of these locations not
to max-out AV-OSS through shared global tile state.

3) platoon pub-sub: AV operations is expected to make ext= ensive use
of platooning. Remote operated =E2=80=9Clocomotive=E2=80=9D cars pic= kup AV cars
as they go based on where they are and where they are
going. Mp2Mp geo-spatial IP channels is a good base layer to
convey both location and destination as well as enough
information for AVs to be able to lock-on on their own.

The draft-lisp-nexagon rfc itself is a relatively simple = informational
which specifies how to use lisp overlay logical IPv6 addresses (EID)
as geo-spatial functional hair-pins (convert H3 res9 tile IDs to
EIDs). EIDs are also used as ephemeral pub-sub credentials through
diameter allocation along with XTR anchoring coordinate. It specifies
= how to use lisp signal free mcast (s,g) channel registration to
receive updates based on location and theme of interest. Source and
Group are also lisp EIDs.

The channel structure enables brokering of legacy BSM mes= sages but In
addition it specifies a 64bit where 64bit what format for vision
information. Vision enumerations are 64bit and tied to H3 res15 64 bit tile IDs based on Berkeley Deep Drive consortium
specifications. Finally it has reserved enumeration flags for
platooning, for example lock-on via 1 byte flag 7byte license plate
enum for autonomous visual lock.

Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/= or relevant
meetings: lispwg

Video: https://youtu.be/dK2II3oFzqE

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017QD= RSJ3W


4. LOOPS BOF @ IETF108

Carsten Bormann, TZI

Abstract:
Local Optimizations on Path Segments: IETF 108 Working-group forming BOF<= /p>

We briefly discuss the objectives for LOOPS, in-network r= ecovery for lost packets, and the Working-Group forming BOF on Friday, 20= 20-07-31, 1100Z.

Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/= or relevant meetings:

https://github.com/loops-wg/charter
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/Loops

Video: https://youtu.be/AM0KdyqMYOA

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C01883= MPHLY


5. ASDF BOF @ IETF108

Carsten Bormann, TZI

Abstract:

A Semantic Definition Format (SDF) for Data and Interacti= ons of Things
IETF 108 Non-working-group-forming BOF

We briefly discuss the objectives for ASDF, a common data= modeling language for kinds of IoT devices, and the Non-Working-Group fo= rming BOF on Tuesday, 2020-07-31, 1100Z.

Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/= or relevant meetings:

https:= //onedm.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ASDF
https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108

Video: https://youtu.be/mGPma1wAM4U

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017GS= TUHN1


6. JSONPath standardization @ IETF108

Carsten Bormann, TZI

Abstract:

JSONPath has been around since 2007 for selecting positio= ns in and
subtrees of a JSON document. It has never been formally standardized. Now is about the time, and we have a slot at the DISPATCH WG meeting
to discuss how.

  • Coordinates to learn more, contact those involved, &/or relevant = meetings:

https://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-goessner-dispatch-= jsonpath-00.html

Video: https://youtu.be/Ujch6Wukjc0

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017J8= D4ZEW


7. Move beyond the ossified Forwarding Plan= e

Toerless Eckert, Futurewei USA
Alexander Clemm, Stewart Bryant, Uma Chunduri, Futurewei USA

Abstract:

Motivation and explanations to establish forums and resea= rch group
activity to look beyond the current ossified forwarding plane.
(network layerr & friends).

Slides: https://github.com/network2030/meetings/blob/master/v108-hotrfc/h= otrfc-slides-ppt.ppt?raw=3Dtrue

Contacts/see-also: authors in first slide, references, si= de-meeting in
last slide

Video: https://youtu.be/jmNICFsqcUc

Slack channel: https://ietf.slack.com/archives/C017QD= VQ736

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Everyone understands how the Domain Name System (DNS) works, but everyone is wrong! During this Technical Deep Dive on the DNS you will learn *just how wrong you are*.... More information can be found at: https://www.ietf.org/live/ietf108-tdd-dns/ Links, etc are in the agenda - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/ This session is open to all - having a Datatracker account will make it easier to participate, but the session will also be streamed - https://youtu.be/DV0q9s94RL8 W -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Wed Jul 22 18:41:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0353A0B02 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AwXBm6jfFXQF for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hardakers.net (mail.hardakers.net [168.150.192.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28D9C3A0AFF for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 130AF21795 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: 108attendees@ietf.org Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:40:59 -0700 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] (virtual) IETF Guides request -- please consider signing up X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 01:41:02 -0000 Hi folks, We could use some additional guides for the IETF guides program. If you are able to participate but haven't updated your "virtual" arrival time on the guides.ietf.org site, we'd love to have you join us for this virtual adventure. Detailed announcement from the previous message: GUIDES: As mentioned previously, we are going to try to run the IETF Guides program virtually for IETF 108. We have a good number of registered participants that we're hoping to match with guides soon. A number of you have registered to be guides or updated your profiles accordingly, and we greatly appreciate that. 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Colin > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Colin Perkins > Subject: Applied Networking Research Prize (ANRP) awards for IETF 108 > Date: 15 June 2020 at 22:16:37 BST > To: irtf-announce@irtf.org > Cc: IETF Mailing List , 108attendees@ietf.org >=20 > I=E2=80=99m pleased to announce that the Applied Networking Research = Prize (ANRP) awardees for IETF 108 are as follows: >=20 > Shehar Bano for her work to develop a taxonomy of Internet host = liveness: > Shehar Bano, Philipp Richter, Mobin Javed, Srikanth Sundaresan, Zakir = Durumeric, Steven J. Murdoch, Richard Mortier, and Vern Paxson, = "Scanning the Internet for Liveness", ACM Computer Communication Review, = April 2018. https://doi.org/10.1145/3213232.3213234 = > Chaoyi Lu for his work on measuring DNS-over-encryption: > Chaoyi Lu, Baojun Liu, Zhou Li, Shuang Hao, Haixin Duan, Mingming = Zhang, Chunying Leng, Ying Liu, Zaifeng Zhang and Jian-ping Wu, "An = End-to-End, Large-Scale Measurement of DNS-over-Encryption: How Far Have = We Come?=E2=80=9D, Proceedings of the ACM Internet Measurement = Conference, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, October 2019. = https://doi.org/10.1145/3355369.3355580 = =20 >=20 > Ingmar Poese for his work on traffic engineering: > Enric Pujol, Ingmar Poese, Johannes Zerwas, Georgios Smaragdakis, and = Anja Feldmann, "Steering Hyper-Giants' Traffic at Scale=E2=80=9D, = Proceedings of ACM CoNEXT 2019, Orlando, FL, USA, December 2019. = https://doi.org/10.1145/3359989.3365430 = >=20 > Congratulations to all! The award talks will be given as part of the = IRTF Open Meeting during IETF 108, to be held online in the week of = 27-31 July 2020. >=20 > The ANRP awardees for 2020 also include Debopam Bhattacherjee, Georgia = Fragkouli, and Ranysha Ware, who will receive their awards during the = IETF 109 meeting in November. >=20 > More information about the ANRP can be found at https://irtf.org/anrp/ = . The ANRP is supported by the Internet Society = and the IRTF, and sponsored by Comcast and NBC Universal. >=20 > Colin Perkins > IRTF Chair --Apple-Mail=_BE300943-1949-4267-91DA-316C807F3DBE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 A = reminder that the Applied Networking Research Prize talks will be given = during the IRTF Open Meeting at IETF 108, starting at 11:00 UTC on = Tuesday 28 July - details below.

Colin



Begin forwarded message:

From: = Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org>
Subject: = Applied = Networking Research Prize (ANRP) awards for IETF 108
Date: = 15 June 2020 at 22:16:37 BST
Cc: IETF Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>, 108attendees@ietf.org

I=E2=80=99m pleased to announce that the Applied = Networking Research Prize (ANRP) awardees for IETF 108 are as = follows:

Shehar = Bano for her work to develop a taxonomy of Internet host liveness:
  • Shehar Bano, Philipp Richter, Mobin = Javed, Srikanth Sundaresan, Zakir Durumeric, Steven J. Murdoch, = Richard Mortier, and Vern Paxson, "Scanning the Internet = for Liveness", ACM Computer Communication Review, April = 2018. https://doi.org/10.1145/3213232.3213234

Chaoyi Lu for his work on measuring DNS-over-encryption:
  • Chaoyi Lu, Baojun Liu, Zhou Li, Shuang = Hao, Haixin Duan, Mingming Zhang, Chunying Leng, Ying Liu, Zaifeng = Zhang and Jian-ping Wu, "An End-to-End, Large-Scale Measurement of = DNS-over-Encryption: How Far Have We Come?=E2=80=9D, Proceedings of = the ACM Internet Measurement Conference, Amsterdam, The = Netherlands, October 2019. https://doi.org/10.1145/3355369.3355580  

Ingmar Poese for his work on traffic = engineering:
  • Enric Pujol, Ingmar = Poese, Johannes Zerwas, Georgios Smaragdakis, and = Anja Feldmann, "Steering Hyper-Giants' Traffic at Scale=E2=80=9D, = Proceedings of ACM CoNEXT 2019, Orlando, FL, USA, December = 2019. https://doi.org/10.1145/3359989.3365430

Congratulations = to all! The award talks will be given as part of the IRTF Open Meeting = during IETF 108, to be held online in the week of 27-31 July = 2020.

The ANRP = awardees for 2020 also include Debopam Bhattacherjee, Georgia = Fragkouli, and Ranysha Ware, who will receive their awards during = the IETF 109 meeting in November.

More information = about the ANRP can be found at https://irtf.org/anrp/. The ANRP is supported by the = Internet Society and the IRTF, and sponsored by Comcast and NBC = Universal.

Colin Perkins
IRTF = Chair


= --Apple-Mail=_BE300943-1949-4267-91DA-316C807F3DBE-- From nobody Sun Jul 26 15:58:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517F93A1506 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:58:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dZN0nb8F27ky for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A072D3A14E8 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853B438A5C for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id heX46keNu7VQ for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B914138A58 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D794CC for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:58:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] bar reconfiguration X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 22:58:10 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain It seems that the Bar got reconfigure while I was AFK. 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(Over Webex; I think we were too late to get a spot in gather.town for it.) If that's a bad time for you, please reach out and we can figure something out. -Ben From nobody Mon Jul 27 05:49:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C7F3A19D7 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:49:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.889 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ch986-OfPnYI for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE2EC3A19B9 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1CE62422 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:49:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id i8UrYr012RK9 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E7F362415 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:49:31 -0400 (EDT) To: 108attendees@ietf.org References: <7871640A-BB64-4341-A5FF-591EF867F7AB@ietf.org> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:48:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7871640A-BB64-4341-A5FF-591EF867F7AB@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------95CC306C701E472ED56DFCE2" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] [108all] Welcome to IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:49:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------95CC306C701E472ED56DFCE2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gather guidelines pdf not found.  :( On 7/26/20 9:10 PM, IETF Executive Director wrote: > Welcome to IETF 108, hosted by Ericsson. We have over 1,000 registered > participants for this online IETF meeting ! > In addition to Ericsson, there are quite a few sponsors who have > stepped up to make IETF 108 a reality. Thank you to our Silver > Sponsor, Akamai, and to ICANN for sponsoring the first IETF Online > Hackathon. Thanks to Google, Fastly and Futurewei who have supported > our fee waiver program, making it possible for anyone to participate > in IETF 108. Thanks also to Google Cloud Developer Relations for > sponsoring our cloud services, and our equipment sponsors Cisco and > Juniper. > > To help you get the most from this meeting, you will find below a > table of useful reference information. > > This 108all list is used for administrative announcements by the IETF > Chair, the Secretariat, the NOC, and myself, the IETF Executive > Director.  It will be used sparingly. > > Again, welcome and have a productive meeting. > > -- > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > Follow the IETF on Twitter:  @IETF > > GENERAL MEETING  INFORMATION > > Reporting Issues > > Technical Issues > > > > tickets@meeting.ietf.org > > * > > View of active tickets > > > > https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/report/1 > > General Issues > > > > mtd@ietf.org > > * > > View of active tickets > > > > https://www.ietf.org/ticketviewer/ > > Meeting Communication > > Discussion among attendees: > > * > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe > > > > 108attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > > Using Meetecho > > Meetecho is the platform for all IETF 108 sessions, including the > Plenary. In order to join a session via Meetecho, you need to be > registered for the meeting [1] and you must have a datatracker account. > > Meetecho Guidelines > > > > Working Group Chair: > https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ > > Participant: > https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/ > > > Meetecho Video Tutorial > > > > https://youtu.be/cniAxuMczEk > > Meeting Agenda > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/ > > Meeting Materials > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/materials/ > > IETF “Hallway” in Gather.town > > The IETF 108 Online Gather space is intended to provide an online > simulation of the IETF meeting hallway experience, i.e. it is a space > for IETF participants to socialize or collaborate in small groups. > Gather is a WebRTC platform that uses peer-to-peer connection. > Participation in Gather is voluntary and absolutely not required in > order to successfully participate in the IETF 108 Online meeting. This > is a new tool, still under development, and its use is experimental. > > Please note that the global chat will be archived and published in the > same way the hallway jabber logs have been published, while group chat > will remain private and the logs will be deleted after the event. > > IETF 108 Gather.town > > > > https://ietf.gather.town/z6N2SDxHebMdDAfo/IETF-108 > > Guidelines for using Gather (PDF) > > > > https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/108-gather-participant-guidelines.pdf > > “Office Hours” > > The NOC, Secretariat, RFC Production Center, and IANA teams will all > be holding office hours in the IETF 108 Gather space. 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Moskowitz References: <7871640A-BB64-4341-A5FF-591EF867F7AB@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] [108all] Welcome to IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:11:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6069240F-51A3-4DC0-A759-3DE9B5B0B5ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Bob, The guidelines were being updated and so were briefly unavailable. We = are posting the updated guidelines now. Best, Alexa > On Jul 27, 2020, at 5:48 AM, Robert Moskowitz = wrote: >=20 > Gather guidelines pdf not found. :( >=20 > On 7/26/20 9:10 PM, IETF Executive Director wrote: >> Welcome to IETF 108, hosted by Ericsson. We have over 1,000 = registered participants for this online IETF meeting ! >>=20 >> In addition to Ericsson, there are quite a few sponsors who have = stepped up to make IETF 108 a reality. Thank you to our Silver Sponsor, = Akamai, and to ICANN for sponsoring the first IETF Online Hackathon. = Thanks to Google, Fastly and Futurewei who have supported our fee waiver = program, making it possible for anyone to participate in IETF 108. = Thanks also to Google Cloud Developer Relations for sponsoring our cloud = services, and our equipment sponsors Cisco and Juniper. >>=20 >> To help you get the most from this meeting, you will find below a = table of useful reference information. >>=20 >> This 108all list is used for administrative announcements by the IETF = Chair, the Secretariat, the NOC, and myself, the IETF Executive = Director. It will be used sparingly. >>=20 >> Again, welcome and have a productive meeting. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> Follow the IETF on Twitter: @IETF >>=20 >> =20 >> GENERAL MEETING INFORMATION >>=20 >> Reporting Issues >>=20 >> Technical Issues >>=20 >> tickets@meeting.ietf.org >> View of active tickets >>=20 >> https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/report/1 = >> General Issues >>=20 >> mtd@ietf.org >> View of active tickets >>=20 >> https://www.ietf.org/ticketviewer/ = >> Meeting Communication >>=20 >> Discussion among attendees: >>=20 >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe >>=20 >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees = >> Using Meetecho=20 >>=20 >> Meetecho is the platform for all IETF 108 sessions, including the = Plenary. In order to join a session via Meetecho, you need to be = registered for the meeting [1] and you must have a datatracker account.=20= >>=20 >> Meetecho Guidelines >>=20 >> Working Group Chair: = https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ = >> Participant: = https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/ = >> Meetecho Video Tutorial >>=20 >> https://youtu.be/cniAxuMczEk >> Meeting Agenda >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/ = >> Meeting Materials >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/materials/ = >> IETF =E2=80=9CHallway=E2=80=9D in Gather.town >>=20 >> The IETF 108 Online Gather space is intended to provide an online = simulation of the IETF meeting hallway experience, i.e. it is a space = for IETF participants to socialize or collaborate in small groups. = Gather is a WebRTC platform that uses peer-to-peer connection. = Participation in Gather is voluntary and absolutely not required in = order to successfully participate in the IETF 108 Online meeting. This = is a new tool, still under development, and its use is experimental.=20 >>=20 >> Please note that the global chat will be archived and published in = the same way the hallway jabber logs have been published, while group = chat will remain private and the logs will be deleted after the event. >>=20 >> IETF 108 Gather.town >>=20 >> https://ietf.gather.town/z6N2SDxHebMdDAfo/IETF-108 = >> Guidelines for using Gather (PDF) >>=20 >> = https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/108-gather-participant-guidelines.pdf= = >> =E2=80=9COffice Hours=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> The NOC, Secretariat, RFC Production Center, and IANA teams will all = be holding office hours in the IETF 108 Gather space. Please see the = meeting agenda for times, and a link to join.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> [1] https://registration.ietf.org/108/ = >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> jay@ietf.org >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> jay@ietf.org >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > --=20 > Robert Moskowitz > Owner > HTT Consulting > C: 248-219-2059 > F: 248-968-2824 > E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >=20 > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who = gets the credit > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --Apple-Mail=_6069240F-51A3-4DC0-A759-3DE9B5B0B5ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Bob,

The guidelines = were being updated and so were briefly unavailable. We are posting the = updated guidelines now.

Best,
Alexa

On Jul = 27, 2020, at 5:48 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:

=20 =20
Gather guidelines pdf not found.  :(

On 7/26/20 9:10 PM, IETF Executive Director wrote:
=
Welcome to = IETF 108, hosted by Ericsson. We have over 1,000 registered = participants for this online IETF meeting !
In addition = to Ericsson, there are quite a few sponsors who have stepped up to make = IETF 108 a reality. Thank you to our Silver Sponsor, Akamai, and to = ICANN for sponsoring the first IETF Online Hackathon. Thanks to Google, Fastly and Futurewei who have supported our = fee waiver program, making it possible for anyone to participate in IETF = 108. Thanks also to Google Cloud Developer Relations for sponsoring our = cloud services, and our equipment sponsors Cisco and = Juniper.

To help you = get the most from this meeting, you will find below a table of useful = reference information.

This 108all = list is used for administrative announcements by the IETF Chair, the = Secretariat, the NOC, and myself, the IETF Executive Director.  It = will be used sparingly.

Again, = welcome and have a productive meeting.

-- 
Jay = Daley
IETF = Executive Director
Follow the = IETF on Twitter:  @IETF

 

GENERAL = MEETING  INFORMATION

Reporting = Issues

Technical = Issues

tickets@meeting.ietf.org

  • View of active tickets

https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org/report/1

General = Issues

mtd@ietf.org

  • View of active tickets

https://www.ietf.org/ticketviewer/

=

Meeting = Communication

Discussion = among attendees:

  • Subscribe/Unsubscribe

108attendees@ietf.org

https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees

Using = Meetecho 

Meetecho is = the platform for all IETF 108 sessions, including the Plenary. In order = to join a session via Meetecho, you need to be registered for the = meeting [1] and you must have a datatracker account. 

Meetecho = Guidelines

Working = Group Chair: https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/

Participant: = https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide= /


Meetecho = Video Tutorial

https://youtu.be/cniAxuMczEk

Meeting = Agenda

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/

=

Meeting = Materials

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/materials/

IETF = =E2=80=9CHallway=E2=80=9D in Gather.town

The IETF = 108 Online Gather space is intended to provide an online simulation of = the IETF meeting hallway experience, i.e. it is a space for IETF = participants to socialize or collaborate in small groups. Gather is a = WebRTC platform that uses peer-to-peer connection. Participation in = Gather is voluntary and absolutely not required in order to successfully = participate in the IETF 108 Online meeting. This is a new tool, still = under development, and its use is experimental. 

Please note = that the global chat will be archived and published in the same way the = hallway jabber logs have been published, while group chat will remain = private and the logs will be deleted after the event.

IETF 108 = Gather.town

https://ietf.gather.town/z6N2SDxHebMdDAfo/IETF-108

Guidelines = for using Gather (PDF)

https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/108-gather-participant-gui= delines.pdf

=E2=80=9COffi= ce Hours=E2=80=9D

The NOC, = Secretariat, RFC Production Center, and IANA teams will all be holding = office hours in the IETF 108 Gather space. Please see the meeting agenda = for times, and a link to join. 


[1] = https://registration.ietf.org/108/




-- 
Jay Daley
IETF Executive Director
jay@ietf.org



-- 
Jay Daley
IETF Executive Director
jay@ietf.org



--
Standard Robert = Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:      248-219-2059
F:      248-968-2824
E:      rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit
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= --Apple-Mail=_6069240F-51A3-4DC0-A759-3DE9B5B0B5ED-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 06:32:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744E93A1992 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l1sYrHdnQ14H for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8C593A198C for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7887362422 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:32:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id YB499gjfULO3 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86A7862415 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:32:30 -0400 (EDT) To: 108attendees@ietf.org From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:32:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:32:42 -0000 Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? Seems only a few people are showing. From nobody Mon Jul 27 06:35:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A533A1620 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lec6fCicsxaF; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jays-mbp.localdomain (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D9E9E3A0DF1; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Daley Message-Id: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FDB4793A-758E-4D76-8175-0E437BD809A6" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:35:12 +1200 In-Reply-To: Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org To: Robert Moskowitz References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:35:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FDB4793A-758E-4D76-8175-0E437BD809A6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii gravatar > On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz = wrote: >=20 > Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >=20 > Seems only a few people are showing. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >=20 --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_FDB4793A-758E-4D76-8175-0E437BD809A6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii gravatar

On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, = Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:

Where = is Meetecho getting its few participant pics?

Seems only a few people are showing.


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([2601:86:101:74d0:9987:993b:724e:3197]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 62sm14196797qte.19.2020.07.27.06.37.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:37:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Lennox Message-Id: <9FFDCE12-F513-4849-9DCF-1DBCAA717A38@8x8.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_98B042A9-EE9B-4E12-AABB-FAA2BE981236" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:37:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> Cc: Robert Moskowitz , 108attendees@ietf.org To: Jay Daley References: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:37:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_98B042A9-EE9B-4E12-AABB-FAA2BE981236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Is it possible to see what e-mail address Meetecho is using to look up = my gravatar? I have a gravatar associated with this e-mail address, but = it=E2=80=99s not showing up in Meetecho. > On Jul 27, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >=20 > gravatar >=20 >> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz > wrote: >>=20 >> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >>=20 >> Seems only a few people are showing. >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>=20 >=20 > --=20 > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > jay@ietf.org >=20 > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --Apple-Mail=_98B042A9-EE9B-4E12-AABB-FAA2BE981236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Is = it possible to see what e-mail address Meetecho is using to look up my = gravatar?  I have a gravatar associated with this e-mail address, = but it=E2=80=99s not showing up in Meetecho.

On Jul = 27, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:

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On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz = <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:

Where = is Meetecho getting its few participant pics?

Seems only a few people are showing.


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Halpern" Message-ID: <945b0793-9f72-e151-90f1-51d2c012e3eb@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:37:28 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:37:40 -0000 They come from a public avatar site. It is mentioned in the meetecho instructions. I did not choose to registerr there. 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charset=utf-8 https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/Documentation-Meetecho-IETF.pdf Name and roleYour name and role in the session (e.g. Participant or = Chair) will appear in the upperleft hand corner of the Meetecho window. = Note that your profile picture is takenfrom the =E2=80=8BGravatar=E2=80=8B= service based on the email used during the login process (ifavailable) = and not images from the IETF Datatracker. http://www.gravatar.com/ > On Jul 27, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >=20 >=20 > [External Email. 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Name and roleYour name and role in the session (e.g. Participant or C= hair) will appear in the upperleft hand corner of the Meetecho window. Note that yo= ur profile picture is takenfrom the =E2=80=8BGravatar=E2=80=8B service based on the email used during= the login process (ifavailable) and not images from the IETF Datatracker.

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On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>= ; wrote:

Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics?

Seems only a few people are showing.


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= --Apple-Mail=_EA2EFBF0-4AA6-4F2C-8083-6BDB5A92BD36-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 06:39:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214D63A198C; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:39:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wMAa9japzyyZ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail4.sttlwa01.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail4.sttlwa01.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:110::40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F7F63A1620; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bench.sobornost.net (sobornost.connected.by.freedominter.net [45.155.156.99]) by mail4.sttlwa01.us.to.gin.ntt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBA2B220120; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (bench.sobornost.net [local]) by bench.sobornost.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 0ffd4a8a; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:39:06 +0000 From: Job Snijders To: Jay Daley Cc: Robert Moskowitz , 108attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20200727133906.GL11482@bench.sobornost.net> References: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:39:12 -0000 On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 01:35:12AM +1200, Jay Daley wrote: > gravatar > > > On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > > > Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? > > > > Seems only a few people are showing. To add a bit more detail, specifically: https://en.gravatar.com/ The idea of this gravatar website is that you upload an 'avatar' image there, and it is used across *multiple* web properties (Meetecho, Github, etc). This is not an IETF-specific service. Kind regards, Job From nobody Mon Jul 27 07:05:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9E83A19AB for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:05:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rqRh2Njlt_i4 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppa5.dc.icann.org (ppa5.dc.icann.org [192.0.46.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CCAE3A19AE for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MBX112-W2-CO-1.pexch112.icann.org (out.mail.icann.org [64.78.33.5]) by ppa5.dc.icann.org (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with ESMTPS id 06RE5iJ9013504 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:05:44 GMT Received: from MBX112-W2-CO-1.pexch112.icann.org (10.226.41.128) by MBX112-W2-CO-2.pexch112.icann.org (10.226.41.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.2.595.3; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:05:43 -0700 Received: from MBX112-W2-CO-1.pexch112.icann.org ([10.226.41.128]) by MBX112-W2-CO-1.pexch112.icann.org ([10.226.41.128]) with mapi id 15.02.0595.003; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:05:43 -0700 From: Michelle Cotton To: "108attendees@ietf.org" <108attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: IANA Office Hours - IETF-108 Thread-Index: AQHWZB8EMaQESLP7a0OLdyWnZcPFTQ== Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:05:43 +0000 Message-ID: <8378F984-6903-4057-AA36-40FD71626726@iana.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.36.20041300 x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] x-source-routing-agent: Processed Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha256; boundary="B_3678678342_830159821" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.235, 18.0.687 definitions=2020-07-27_08:2020-07-27, 2020-07-27 signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] IANA Office Hours - IETF-108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:05:48 -0000 --B_3678678342_830159821 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3678678342_2037095448" --B_3678678342_2037095448 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello IETF-108 attendees, Just a reminder that we are having IANA office hours in Gather.town. Monday 11:30-19:00 Tuesday 11:30-19:00 Wednesday 11:30-14:00 Thursday 11:30-19:00 https://ietf.gather.town/z6N2SDxHebMdDAfo/IETF-108 Please come virtually visit or you can always send email to iana@iana.org if there is anything we can assist you with. Thank you! --Michelle Michelle Cotton Protocol Parameters Engagement Sr. Manager IANA Services --B_3678678342_2037095448 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hello IETF-108 a= ttendees,

 

Just a reminder t= hat we are having  IANA o= ffice hours in Gather.town.

 

Monday 11:30-19:00=

Tuesday 11:30-19:00

Wednesday 11:30-14:00

Thursday 11:30-19:00

 

https://ietf.gather.town/z6N2SDxHebMdDAfo/IETF-108=

 

Please come vir= tually visit or you can always send email to ia= na@iana.org if ther= e is anything we can assist you with.

 =

Thank you!

 

 = ;--Michelle

 

Michelle Cotton=

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IANA Services

 

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Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:12:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------58DAD4D4905310317B431BE8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is Gravatar? On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: > gravatar > >> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz > > wrote: >> >> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >> >> Seems only a few people are showing. >> >> >> -- >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >> > > -- > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > jay@ietf.org > > -- Standard Robert Moskowitz Owner HTT Consulting C:248-219-2059 F:248-968-2824 E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit --------------58DAD4D4905310317B431BE8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What is Gravatar?

On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote:
gravatar

On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:

Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics?

Seems only a few people are showing.


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There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit
--------------58DAD4D4905310317B431BE8-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 07:15:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854883A1A36 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:15:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1LdJNFJu6bzq; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jays-mbp.localdomain (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D2DE3A1A25; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:15:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Daley Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_03D00B85-2994-4140-8A7E-75B20AB0EB18" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 02:15:17 +1200 In-Reply-To: <28ce6bd1-33f7-fc8a-a099-e65a714d583f@labs.htt-consult.com> Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org To: Robert Moskowitz References: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> <28ce6bd1-33f7-fc8a-a099-e65a714d583f@labs.htt-consult.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:15:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_03D00B85-2994-4140-8A7E-75B20AB0EB18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On 28/07/2020, at 2:12 AM, Robert Moskowitz = wrote: >=20 > What is Gravatar? Sorry, I assumed it was well known. As explained by Job: > To add a bit more detail, specifically: https://en.gravatar.com/ = >=20 > The idea of this gravatar website is that you upload an 'avatar' image > there, and it is used across *multiple* web properties (Meetecho, > Github, etc). >=20 > This is not an IETF-specific service. Jay --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_03D00B85-2994-4140-8A7E-75B20AB0EB18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On 28/07/2020, at 2:12 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:

=20 =20
What is Gravatar?

Sorry, I assumed it was well known.  As = explained by Job:

To add a bit more detail, specifically: https://en.gravatar.com/

The = idea of this gravatar website is that you upload an 'avatar' image
there, and it is used across *multiple* web properties = (Meetecho,
Github, etc).

This = is not an IETF-specific service.

Jay

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= --Apple-Mail=_03D00B85-2994-4140-8A7E-75B20AB0EB18-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 07:17:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEA73A19B0 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:17:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BEmVedw4pgMS for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prometheus.amsuess.com (alt.prometheus.amsuess.com [IPv6:2a01:4f8:190:3064::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D26A3A1A0C for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:a800:ff:fede:b1bd]) by prometheus.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2ECF406E7; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (hermes.amsuess.com [10.13.13.254]) by poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04776AB; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hephaistos.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:2d1f:d4d4:cdce:61c]) by poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 92AE644; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 2156752 invoked by uid 1000); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:17:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:17:13 +0200 From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ams=FCss?= To: Robert Moskowitz Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20200727141713.GA2152913@hephaistos.amsuess.com> References: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> <28ce6bd1-33f7-fc8a-a099-e65a714d583f@labs.htt-consult.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <28ce6bd1-33f7-fc8a-a099-e65a714d583f@labs.htt-consult.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:17:47 -0000 --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:12:37AM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > What is Gravatar? It's a company that has become the de facto provider for this kind of avatar pictures, created by registering there and uploading them. A more general approach exists[1], but seems not be in use here. 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Martinez CTO - Gerente de Tecnología LACNIC On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > What is Gravatar? > > On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >> gravatar >> >>> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >>> >>> Seems only a few people are showing. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 108attendees mailing list >>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>> >> >> -- >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> jay@ietf.org >> >> > > -- > Standard Robert Moskowitz > Owner > HTT Consulting > C:248-219-2059 > F:248-968-2824 > E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who > gets the credit > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --=_MailMate_723EC3BF-397E-4BE3-A191-9587A2AA15C2_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote:
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Where is Meetecho getting its few participant= pics?

Seems only a few people are showing.


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There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit

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--=_MailMate_723EC3BF-397E-4BE3-A191-9587A2AA15C2_=-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 07:25:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31623A1B5E; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:25:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jKjOkjyKEt5Y; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BCFF3A19D5; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C39622B9; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:24:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id E3DrFdKV1V1A; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 426E162415; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:24:09 -0400 (EDT) To: "Carlos M. Martinez" Cc: Jay Daley , 108attendees@ietf.org References: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> <28ce6bd1-33f7-fc8a-a099-e65a714d583f@labs.htt-consult.com> <523B4938-7E44-4B11-91A7-32FDEA944FDE@lacnic.net> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:24:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <523B4938-7E44-4B11-91A7-32FDEA944FDE@lacnic.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5975E83BCA1C15D36ABC4F10" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:25:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5975E83BCA1C15D36ABC4F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit An Avatar for IETF, fine.  But globally?  No thank you. And for Wordpress?  Not there. I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin). On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > > It’s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/ > > First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that > you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar > picture. > > I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here. > > /Carlos > > Carlos M. Martinez > CTO - Gerente de Tecnología > LACNIC > > On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > What is Gravatar? > > On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >> gravatar >> >>> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >>> >>> Seems only a few people are showing. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 108attendees mailing list >>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>> >> >> -- >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> jay@ietf.org >> >> > > -- > Standard Robert Moskowitz > Owner > HTT Consulting > C:248-219-2059 > F:248-968-2824 > E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter > who gets the credit > > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > > -- Standard Robert Moskowitz Owner HTT Consulting C:248-219-2059 F:248-968-2824 E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit --------------5975E83BCA1C15D36ABC4F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit An Avatar for IETF, fine.  But globally?  No thank you.

And for Wordpress?  Not there.

I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin).

On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:

It’s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/

First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar picture.

I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here.

/Carlos

Carlos M. Martinez
CTO - Gerente de Tecnología
LACNIC

On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

What is Gravatar?

On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote:
gravatar

On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:

Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics?

Seems only a few people are showing.


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Standard Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:      248-219-2059
F:      248-968-2824
E:      rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit


--
Standard Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:      248-219-2059
F:      248-968-2824
E:      rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit
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Martinez" CC: Jay Daley , <108attendees@ietf.org> References: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> <28ce6bd1-33f7-fc8a-a099-e65a714d583f@labs.htt-consult.com> <523B4938-7E44-4B11-91A7-32FDEA944FDE@lacnic.net> From: Henk Birkholz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:38:58 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [79.206.156.41] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:42:46 -0000 Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if there is no gravatar association? On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > An Avatar for IETF, fine.  But globally?  No thank you. > > And for Wordpress?  Not there. > > I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin). > > On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: >> >> It’s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/ >> >> First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that >> you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar >> picture. >> >> I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here. >> >> /Carlos >> >> Carlos M. Martinez >> CTO - Gerente de Tecnología >> LACNIC >> >> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> >> What is Gravatar? >> >> On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >>> gravatar >>> >>>> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >>>> >>>> Seems only a few people are showing. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 108attendees mailing list >>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jay Daley >>> IETF Executive Director >>> jay@ietf.org >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Standard Robert Moskowitz >> Owner >> HTT Consulting >> C:248-219-2059 >> F:248-968-2824 >> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >> >> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter >> who gets the credit >> >> -- >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >> >> > > -- > Standard Robert Moskowitz > Owner > HTT Consulting > C:248-219-2059 > F:248-968-2824 > E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who > gets the credit > From nobody Mon Jul 27 07:51:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC7B3A1CA7; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:50:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JGrFqt5_cyAP; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46CFA3A19D5; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A1562422; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:46:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id g1PUoJQezf4e; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 057C7622B9; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:45:58 -0400 (EDT) To: Henk Birkholz , "Carlos M. Martinez" Cc: Jay Daley , 108attendees@ietf.org References: <277224BA-EB25-459B-AB71-2FDBDFCD46A6@ietf.org> <28ce6bd1-33f7-fc8a-a099-e65a714d583f@labs.htt-consult.com> <523B4938-7E44-4B11-91A7-32FDEA944FDE@lacnic.net> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <3f52adbd-ceb4-88df-b2c7-ce042cdae52e@labs.htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:45:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2DD2F83BBEF5512B5A774E0A" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:50:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2DD2F83BBEF5512B5A774E0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never got a response on that.  That was ~1yr ago. At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysler. On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote: > Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if > there is no gravatar association? > > On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> An Avatar for IETF, fine.  But globally? No thank you. >> >> And for Wordpress?  Not there. >> >> I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin). >> >> On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: >>> >>> It’s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/ >>> >>> First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that >>> you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an >>> avatar picture. >>> >>> I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here. >>> >>> /Carlos >>> >>> Carlos M. Martinez >>> CTO - Gerente de Tecnología >>> LACNIC >>> >>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> >>>     What is Gravatar? >>> >>>     On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >>>>     gravatar >>>> >>>>>     On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz >>>>>     > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>     Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >>>>> >>>>>     Seems only a few people are showing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>     --     108attendees mailing list >>>>>     108attendees@ietf.org >>>>>     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>>>> >>>> >>>>     --     Jay Daley >>>>     IETF Executive Director >>>>     jay@ietf.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>>     --     Standard Robert Moskowitz >>>     Owner >>>     HTT Consulting >>>     C:248-219-2059 >>>     F:248-968-2824 >>>     E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>> >>>     There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter >>>     who gets the credit >>> >>>     --     108attendees mailing list >>>     108attendees@ietf.org >>>     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Standard Robert Moskowitz >> Owner >> HTT Consulting >> C:248-219-2059 >> F:248-968-2824 >> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >> >> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who >> gets the credit >> -- Standard Robert Moskowitz Owner HTT Consulting C:248-219-2059 F:248-968-2824 E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit --------------2DD2F83BBEF5512B5A774E0A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never got a response on that.  That was ~1yr ago.

At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysler.

On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote:
Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if there is no gravatar association?

On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
An Avatar for IETF, fine.  But globally?  No thank you.

And for Wordpress?  Not there.

I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin).

On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:

It’s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/

First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar picture.

I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here.

/Carlos

Carlos M. Martinez
CTO - Gerente de Tecnología
LACNIC

On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

    What is Gravatar?

    On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote:
    gravatar

    On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz
    <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com <mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>> wrote:

    Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics?

    Seems only a few people are showing.


    --     108attendees mailing list
    108attendees@ietf.org <mailto:108attendees@ietf.org>
    https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees


    --     Jay Daley
    IETF Executive Director
    jay@ietf.org <mailto:jay@ietf.org>



    --     Standard Robert Moskowitz
    Owner
    HTT Consulting
    C:248-219-2059
    F:248-968-2824
    E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

    There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter
    who gets the credit

    --     108attendees mailing list
    108attendees@ietf.org
    https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees



-- 
Standard Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:248-219-2059
F:248-968-2824
E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit


--
Standard Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:      248-219-2059
F:      248-968-2824
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--------------2DD2F83BBEF5512B5A774E0A-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 10:09:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC423A1AB8 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:09:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.087 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.087 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RK3L8DPq_bEw for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd2f.google.com (mail-io1-xd2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6215A3A1AB5 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2f.google.com with SMTP id v6so2517278iow.11 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:09:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fMfSGrrAbMwYfL8YqSWVeBKOARl+rB8VlGdBj2VHS78=; b=n1Wz5lHd4a6ES0LMZ1pKxh9pWLjmgCL9UKGpTlVvtHzJD4zipV3XY/BHA2w/q5LFAZ RHL2vXHGMHhVCP32rYr/BIhshAVbGoXnwM8pi77Z3sNG/fsAGKQ9LLi8tduClAh4MIBl 60xhD54Y3TMA35FshBbzuNNC/yGSntV8I9pf5OLbMzHm2VAOZW/X1z65fNNpL/fkTIc2 9lZNyniFg4CxDcGBtsnK6W9EkowY07aIjy1ATUnFsyEpjm4QPBySyc7mOpn8v8w/Tlr5 mjPLrwqCsi7wMpdZuN5X9WPWfELrxN40shPbuJtf2Ls5KkSWV9zGemybKdhghoSbJNRk 9NuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=fMfSGrrAbMwYfL8YqSWVeBKOARl+rB8VlGdBj2VHS78=; b=c0FV3ATEZFbDI+8g6Rqst9qMp+jC4KaHLuVX8+tSdOkPnxD/Jc9L+lB/bAgliVcAKI L96VBJi7D+xpcgPQxGoaPStqakCM6C+Cd1bEbvmNsv6tdS09OqGoN3i+M9N2hk1EcNFi uGQx1nUCmUSdwwOlVszL4M3dsVMQ3sus9N0d0byt1xkfvaGjJDH8BL35uhX0iYyys1cc XpTaBvs2ku24ZBN0PxvssnmflzGUSIqPIXiJqBzt3oqtg5WPhxKbisCqJM+Pu6ZNSI5P kOJelMhGVM6sjooaVnhimV14NsJbIgDMRQxuERpjSaPYQRONLy+lW939lO4QuRDK0agH Gw1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531PrUDbZqLIBZf7hQ4GgY8zzMFeJFzvEvMIlpl9MKMe3WnMTHVy lTNT22u82df0wZOkyZj/b0aG+KU11BoUWQIi7VJDk47D X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxTbaTibPtZX1SeTWjmS/9fxbz9x3mn9zkbP8b/B8ZzMR86dK5v/63UDoXSGwQP0aRVwOgT5u8wbHJMK3t/Tao= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:e216:: with SMTP id z22mr9974431ioc.97.1595869788938; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:09:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Martin Duke Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:09:43 -0700 Message-ID: To: 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e0a7d405ab6f6327" Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] Fwd: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:09:53 -0000 --000000000000e0a7d405ab6f6327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello 108 attendees, A number of you are learning about the virtual hum tool for the first time. The short attached email explains a little about it and has links for even more detail. It is meant to give you a rough sense of the loudness of hum, nothing more or less. One update: each hum lasts for 35 seconds, not 20. Martin ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Martin Duke Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool To: The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the capability to conduct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80=9D in fully remote meetin= gs. A software model model that shows the output for given numbers of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE]. Working Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are invi= ted to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimately requires confirmation on the email list. The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows: - A chair begins the hum in meetecho - Participants have 20 35 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or not all - At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing scale: niente, pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo. As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consensus on a different set of requirements in the future, and update or replace this document. The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability concerns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature changes might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical concerns are best left for long-term consideration by SHMOO. Regards, Martin Duke On behalf of the IESG [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/ [I-D.duke] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/ [PARTICIPANTS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/ [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/ [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/ --000000000000e0a7d405ab6f6327 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello 108 attendees,

A number of you ar= e learning about the virtual hum tool for the first time. The short attache= d email explains a little about it and has links for even more detail.

It is meant to give you a rough sense of the loudness = of hum, nothing more or less.

One update: each hum= lasts for 35 seconds, not 20.

Martin

---------- Forw= arded message ---------
From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jul = 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM
Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum toolTo: <manycouches@ietf.org&= gt;


The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the= Meetecho team to add the capability to conduct =E2=80=9Cvirtual hums=E2=80= =9D in fully remote meetings. A software model model that shows the output = for given numbers of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_= SITE].


Worki= ng Group chairs seeking =E2=80=9Ca sense of the room=E2=80=9D are invited t= o use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimately requires= confirmation on the email list.


The current implementation is based on a specification= the IESG developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows:=

  • A cha= ir begins the hum in meetecho

  • Participant= s have 20 35 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or not all

  • At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will = report the approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing sca= le: niente, pianissimo, piano, forte= , fortissimo.


As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific f= laws, the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as f= aithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consensu= s on a different set of requirements in the future, and update or replace t= his document.


The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at participan= t [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions beginning 15 = July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In particular, p= ractical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability concerns, security= weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature changes might be= actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical concerns are = best left for long-term consideration by SHMOO.


Regards,

Martin Duke

On behalf of the IESG


[CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/=

[I-D.duke] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/

[PARTICIPANTS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/

[SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/

[TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/<= /p>

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In today's meetings, the 35 seconds per hum seems awfully long. R's, John PS: I am trying to resist the urge to play the Final Jeopardy theme which happens to be 32 seconds long. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Mon Jul 27 11:46:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6015B3A1BCD for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:46:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.412 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.412 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.267, MAY_BE_FORGED=1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GehDkdEPgaAq for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBF683A1BC6 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bens-macbook.lan (mta-70-120-123-175.stx.rr.com [70.120.123.175] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 06RIkU98066305 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:46:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1595875592; bh=jZoEpnpB1Rz9U89IShmXC/fcfOTqFwCM7TqhdcYXE+s=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=Dz8b/Rns/KA8w4ReDc1SemfyXP8h1b3IzCqJIXnmpXvgp00BPZ9rM5G0y/ZdWepOU 4BFB02GqV1n+3S2JekjOMmz144Buv09W3bbHOBWGies27eXBA/0dI4UKKScqaRTd+j kQ2Pn+HMFcLDENwa+plJ/mK7PZ6sjbmOEb4aNfn4= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host mta-70-120-123-175.stx.rr.com [70.120.123.175] (may be forged) claimed to be bens-macbook.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <20200727183047.442A01D8EC2F@ary.qy> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:46:23 -0500 Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org, martin.h.duke@gmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200727183047.442A01D8EC2F@ary.qy> To: John Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:46:42 -0000 +1. I wished I had the Jeopardy music handy. > On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Levine wrote: >=20 > In article = you = write: >> It is meant to give you a rough sense of the loudness of hum, nothing = more >> or less. >>=20 >> One update: each hum lasts for 35 seconds, not 20. >=20 > In today's meetings, the 35 seconds per hum seems awfully long. >=20 > R's, > John >=20 > PS: I am trying to resist the urge to play the Final Jeopardy theme = which happens to be 32 seconds long. > --=20 > Regards, > John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for = Dummies", > Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. = https://jl.ly >=20 > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees From nobody Mon Jul 27 11:48:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25ADA3A1C74 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:48:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.412 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.412 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.267, MAY_BE_FORGED=1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RbxCmHs8tgtp for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D2F63A1BF5 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bens-macbook.lan (mta-70-120-123-175.stx.rr.com [70.120.123.175] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 06RImPVu067061 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:48:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1595875707; bh=lAbL/1N7jy9dEq+pXdlkdKiLryT07tXWk3La6d/HnuE=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=SRJCYpZBLcD+baP9tsW7RH97uJSnTsiYfyCtdCT8wsu4uoEAe+0gZcHjXHJyae616 n1PcnQHv5aWWhU8h5Z/pXudJlOSvb+IBUsb420+Ibuug8Ae97ex7s8xARkwVIecbG7 GSZHuODNiUuo8kAJpQF0co2zOxIntc4FSFRdLWT4= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host mta-70-120-123-175.stx.rr.com [70.120.123.175] (may be forged) claimed to be bens-macbook.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:48:18 -0500 Cc: martin.h.duke@gmail.com, 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200727183047.442A01D8EC2F@ary.qy> To: John Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:48:39 -0000 er, =E2=80=9Calso wished=E2=80=9D. > On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >=20 > +1. I wished I had the Jeopardy music handy. >=20 >> On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Levine wrote: >>=20 >> In article = you = write: >>> It is meant to give you a rough sense of the loudness of hum, = nothing more >>> or less. >>>=20 >>> One update: each hum lasts for 35 seconds, not 20. >>=20 >> In today's meetings, the 35 seconds per hum seems awfully long. >>=20 >> R's, >> John >>=20 >> PS: I am trying to resist the urge to play the Final Jeopardy theme = which happens to be 32 seconds long. >> --=20 >> Regards, >> John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet = for Dummies", >> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. = https://jl.ly >>=20 >> --=20 >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >=20 > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees From nobody Mon Jul 27 11:54:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31AD3A1BD3; 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([2600:100e:b149:9f49:8991:8025:209f:14e8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s131sm16178729pgc.30.2020.07.27.12.03.24 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-29BB3999-124C-4B6C-A44D-CB52AB1F42B1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bret Jordan Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:03:23 -0600 Message-Id: <0169E443-86DF-4AEF-9B1A-8B17E7B70416@gmail.com> References: <20200727183047.442A01D8EC2F@ary.qy> Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org, martin.h.duke@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20200727183047.442A01D8EC2F@ary.qy> To: John Levine X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Fwd: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:03:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail-29BB3999-124C-4B6C-A44D-CB52AB1F42B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the =E2=80=9Chum=E2=80=9D= could be done in much easier ways using electronic means. =20 Some legacy things that were done before better alternatives, just just go a= way.=20 Bret=20 Sent from my Commodore 128D PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 > On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:31 PM, John Levine wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFIn article you write: >> It is meant to give you a rough sense of the loudness of hum, nothing mor= e >> or less. >>=20 >> One update: each hum lasts for 35 seconds, not 20. >=20 > In today's meetings, the 35 seconds per hum seems awfully long. >=20 > R's, > John >=20 > PS: I am trying to resist the urge to play the Final Jeopardy theme which h= appens to be 32 seconds long. > --=20 > Regards, > John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dum= mies", > Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly >=20 > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --Apple-Mail-29BB3999-124C-4B6C-A44D-CB52AB1F42B1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting a= spect of the =E2=80=9Chum=E2=80=9D could be done in much easier ways using e= lectronic means.   

Some legacy things that wer= e done before better alternatives, just just go away. 

Bret 

Sent from my Commodore 128D

PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1= 447  F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050

On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:31 PM, John Levin= e <ietf@johnlevine.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFIn article <CAM4esxQB2S+oT7Q= B6T+J0MyZ__8Zo1yNrjko8xWPDwMf0vEkVQ@mail.gmail.com> you write:
=
It is meant to give you a rough sense of the= loudness of hum, nothing more
or less.

One update: each hum l= asts for 35 seconds, not 20.

I= n today's meetings, the 35 seconds per hum seems awfully long.

R's,
John

PS: I am trying to resist the urge to play the Final Jeopardy theme which= happens to be 32 seconds long.
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[70.189.190.142]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o2sm15902926pfh.160.2020.07.27.12.11.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Jacob Uecker In-Reply-To: <0169E443-86DF-4AEF-9B1A-8B17E7B70416@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:11:38 -0700 Cc: John Levine , martin.h.duke@gmail.com, 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <93989F1A-BA93-4EF2-A96C-8CDAA43C9A3F@gmail.com> References: <20200727183047.442A01D8EC2F@ary.qy> <0169E443-86DF-4AEF-9B1A-8B17E7B70416@gmail.com> To: Bret Jordan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:11:58 -0000 I would assume that in the future the virtual hum tool would be used in = conjunction with actual, in-room humming. Not saying that another = alternative couldn=E2=80=99t be used but it makes two mediums at least = consistent.=20 -Jacob > On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Bret Jordan = wrote: >=20 > It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the =E2=80=9Chum=E2=80= =9D could be done in much easier ways using electronic means. =20 >=20 > Some legacy things that were done before better alternatives, just = just go away.=20 >=20 > Bret=20 >=20 > Sent from my Commodore 128D >=20 > PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 >=20 >> On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:31 PM, John Levine = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFIn article = you = write: >>> It is meant to give you a rough sense of the loudness of hum, = nothing more >>> or less. >>>=20 >>> One update: each hum lasts for 35 seconds, not 20. >>=20 >> In today's meetings, the 35 seconds per hum seems awfully long. >>=20 >> R's, >> John >>=20 >> PS: I am trying to resist the urge to play the Final Jeopardy theme = which happens to be 32 seconds long. >> --=20 >> Regards, >> John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet = for Dummies", >> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. = https://jl.ly >>=20 >> --=20 >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees From nobody Mon Jul 27 12:28:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8FB3A0B34 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:28:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PW_hKUW505Ce for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf1-x434.google.com (mail-pf1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7F1A3A0B32 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x434.google.com with SMTP id z3so9614593pfn.12 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:28:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=ebr6sDwwrcP09evfTWgp8JNLIefwQrL7BQ/Nz5VZF40=; b=JcbN1isSmX4dsJynpLGOx1DKPWuSJmE9m1o/fBxhlyPEXhcy55Uu4HFa8X5WFpVM3O 7iDj1pBZH3jospa9nrWFuRfwy55PcFEp1XMULnUwtvvt3VI+ajOpeA/ZL2rHDqQpAz99 RfY+rhA26eHea1eHhTRa5RE6S2HbbCeJGl+ptkHRlq4b2ba9+JIsj75QHfKgAKlnYfBi Eub6t+Thr/lT/+CkcZLcmMhQ2Z3P58/IxBr8FML+DRLYeJ/LuPupgVKPus4habgrSdS2 ILCaQrW0GogwSATAGGY743rhnMGZWHgIm9Lm5hMlIm/+kTEv2ykdpAMZMx3UY//M8TnS IfUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=ebr6sDwwrcP09evfTWgp8JNLIefwQrL7BQ/Nz5VZF40=; b=UHbkToPPHlhw9JG+dSOcvwGCIZYI3E7zYTD+57oIisnk8mZUv043KLH/mY/3ENNlbf lM/zuPSR+Cn8em4Ig9K0ZfIfoh1CcKfsuYwxQEdR6GZT7cE3CAf5sbcGFhku7OAoIWrE f79QaEYqKQS33qAfyse9ZqsYHls7+CCd+g97Rg79NdSTbUJIFqPjtGJhCDtcZPCRmxH3 gjvzJd0csnQtfDkqu3abIdPvNax0vwIsyKOgHjPCHIsPDLKnLZ1g8skgTt2qyYuXeFG2 XpAKswrvUwXyp2YGkiL0mQHpRhxKeUERBapULzqAd6+E+Io8a7wT3SFi0WLbM4nFQ9JN yu2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532i6zsRhFSaIEv5Ta1dNrhYs/Dk2IIYyP4UwdZwE+NXMblDvESR Jb/ArdVxjNksW58T/gEdXBZixyc2 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyNckVQf6YHk51vHTu+Q5EUB9JcRf/2X67sK8bpAdKiujrdBXT9vBZioPBAX7VL4ATu/97OgA== X-Received: by 2002:a63:d02:: with SMTP id c2mr20863321pgl.338.1595878091411; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:380:6c28:ca07:f578:c81d:fecb:241e? ([2600:380:6c28:ca07:f578:c81d:fecb:241e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o4sm5808216pfd.25.2020.07.27.12.28.10 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E8C54D16-48FA-4C77-AF3E-9ECB825F9C4E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bret Jordan Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:28:08 -0600 Message-Id: <1E5A64A7-9AC4-4334-8E3B-0E86B51D6CBB@gmail.com> References: <93989F1A-BA93-4EF2-A96C-8CDAA43C9A3F@gmail.com> Cc: John Levine , martin.h.duke@gmail.com, 108attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <93989F1A-BA93-4EF2-A96C-8CDAA43C9A3F@gmail.com> To: Jacob Uecker X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:28:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail-E8C54D16-48FA-4C77-AF3E-9ECB825F9C4E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well in the 1970s / 80s when the hum was introduced, no one had smart phones= and laptops. So maybe there is an overall better way given the massive chan= ges in technology over the past 40-50 years Bret=20 Sent from my Commodore 64 PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 > On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Jacob Uecker wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFI would assume that in the future the virtual hum tool would be u= sed in conjunction with actual, in-room humming. Not saying that another alt= ernative couldn=E2=80=99t be used but it makes two mediums at least consiste= nt.=20 >=20 > -Jacob >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Bret Jordan wrote: >>=20 >> It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the =E2=80=9Chum=E2=80= =9D could be done in much easier ways using electronic means. =20 >>=20 >> Some legacy things that were done before better alternatives, just just g= o away.=20 >>=20 >> Bret=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my Commodore 128D >>=20 >> PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 >>=20 >>>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:31 PM, John Levine wrote: >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BFIn article you write: >>>> It is meant to give you a rough sense of the loudness of hum, nothing m= ore >>>> or less. >>>>=20 >>>> One update: each hum lasts for 35 seconds, not 20. >>>=20 >>> In today's meetings, the 35 seconds per hum seems awfully long. >>>=20 >>> R's, >>> John >>>=20 >>> PS: I am trying to resist the urge to play the Final Jeopardy theme whic= h happens to be 32 seconds long. >>> --=20 >>> Regards, >>> John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for D= ummies", >>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.l= y >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> 108attendees mailing list >>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >> --=20 >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >=20 --Apple-Mail-E8C54D16-48FA-4C77-AF3E-9ECB825F9C4E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well in the 1970s / 80s when the hum was in= troduced, no one had smart phones and laptops. So maybe there is an overall b= etter way given the massive changes in technology over the past 40-50 years<= div>
Bret 

Sent from my Commodore= 64

PGP Fingerprint:&= nbsp;63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447  F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050<= /span>

On Jul 27, 2= 020, at 1:11 PM, Jacob Uecker <juecker.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

<= /blockquote>
=EF=BB=BF= I would assume that in the future the virtual hum tool would be used in conj= unction with actual, in-room humming. Not saying that another alternative co= uldn=E2=80=99t be used but it makes two mediums at least consistent. =

-Jacob


On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:03= PM, Bret Jordan <jordan2175@gmail.com> wrote:
=

It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the =E2=80=9C= hum=E2=80=9D could be done in much easier ways using electronic means.  = ; 

Some legacy things that were done= before better alternatives, just just go away.

Bret
=
Sent from my Commodore 128D=

PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 144= 7  F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050

On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:31 PM, John Levine <ietf@johnlev= ine.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFIn article &= lt;CAM4esxQB2S+oT7QB6T+J0MyZ__8Zo1yNrjko8xWPDwMf0vEkVQ@mail.gmail.com> yo= u write:
It is meant to give you= a rough sense of the loudness of hum, nothing more
<= /blockquote>
or less.

<= span>One update: each hum lasts for 35 seconds, not 20.

In today's meetings, the 35 seconds per hum se= ems awfully long.

R's,
John

PS: I am trying to resist the ur= ge to play the Final Jeopardy theme which happens to be 32 seconds long.
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Martinez" , Jay Daley , 108attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3f52adbd-ceb4-88df-b2c7-ce042cdae52e@labs.htt-consult.com> To: Robert Moskowitz X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) X-Originating-IP: 66.113.196.17 X-Spampanel-Domain: xsmtpout.mail2web.com X-Spampanel-Username: 66.113.196.17/32 Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=66.113.196.17/32@xsmtpout.mail2web.com X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.14) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: Mvzo4OR0dZXEDF/gcnlw0Z5BfDU3z1JRwSLH8/hgjJupSDasLI4SayDByyq9LIhVdShBSLbBUP5W dKrN4GnzvkTNWdUk1Ol2OGx3IfrIJKywOmJyM1qr8uRnWBrbSAGDWbBoJ6AhQ2u5jHu9GgMTbuyP SeHQJ3CfNoRoPk1qIXS1c0uisJYcG4uKuFs4f1XoJODXbtOodkPED+RkHjVGH/XuzFp110M6q4fN Qp9EtSC25J3SALBUcrO1qS9n2u1fk2GPaGLgKehyE99yY38K992MIagOXnAX2lw9VWOb25e0dZGh 51c+EhyKn2gY3GERxnRoYUVxm6GUzrXPyG6xsZ0cRw78AMyqgpaL1PdpEt4pk7cjbWy91pm/jG4G U42zKLTFpngmCzMfOMV6XuhaobdAzbZabvf4+eAvvSn0D5YsJPkCw5CFSIcclHhCFNsjBr4UQT5O ZMr/oeXfpj/bf7wqyT5p50x81ZKcmzCu2U2eiziRmrRLaxpyV/vMvHCOFZjOuSCynj8XKyBvZw9X ghjgXQ1cH0qbjA5HkG/mj+A7/hwjNvmMkS9BXTs5dO3GKP9pWZyqSwiZS/khPlqY4hqZR3KVQgqF /fPYYAfEfsjEwhwh5IWKpSuS9s3BsDtLinf7T9waj9bU+t6CBnIOr9pV9NPcDfNPVVgnj6/wM391 oL0KcN4ik12A5PQIEgOOQsGydj710puxA/en3O9nYXuXCC1A5Cukky0WFo38JXT3Y80OmAux3oN1 3+ztUzneVk7ksHfyH7ANrlO88xUWnw9mDnaXtu0kZC/OWmUorWhisHIuOYdUqvdw5aSUKsLuoxIm q2IVuNa1LTXjJpG8iXW8TfMUfXZNQGXIjuXCLLofvmYfYk+d7T0AgLBMu/Iow6nIoDr0sXUZ7YZo Z/GZ+hXPnkLS9Oo2rnoDkPMmYws/jALIEk7e/m7I/2vCMQjvMFTIwLG5tR7EnM5HsSwoavLd14/y 82ebPziYNS9mrGfphl+Vcq8rhM3tJ8iXgDJaTYQ7ppmvpzmHp5jJAeLmE9zghLEjHJbHVHmv5sbq r/Q= X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine11.antispamcloud.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:59:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail-25A90B29-C9BA-400B-86AD-DCE0E8CF18E6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is Gravatar business model? Is this one of those surveillance companies= that track you wherever you use the avatar and then sells the data? What is= their privacy policy? Has the IETF embraced Internet surveillance? -- Christian Huitema=20 > On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz w= rote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never got a r= esponse on that. That was ~1yr ago. >=20 > At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysler. >=20 > On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote: >> Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if there i= s no gravatar association?=20 >>=20 >>> On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:=20 >>> An Avatar for IETF, fine. But globally? No thank you.=20 >>>=20 >>> And for Wordpress? Not there.=20 >>>=20 >>> I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin).=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:=20 >>>>=20 >>>> It=E2=80=99s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/=20 >>>>=20 >>>> First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that you= can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar picture.= =20 >>>>=20 >>>> I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> /Carlos=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Carlos M. Martinez=20 >>>> CTO - Gerente de Tecnolog=C3=ADa=20 >>>> LACNIC=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote:=20 >>>>=20 >>>> What is Gravatar?=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote:=20 >>>>> gravatar=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz=20 >>>>>> > wrot= e:=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics?=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Seems only a few people are showing.=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list=20 >>>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org =20 >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- Jay Daley=20 >>>>> IETF Executive Director=20 >>>>> jay@ietf.org =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- Standard Robert Moskowitz=20 >>>> Owner=20 >>>> HTT Consulting=20 >>>> C:248-219-2059=20 >>>> F:248-968-2824=20 >>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com=20 >>>>=20 >>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter=20= >>>> who gets the credit=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- 108attendees mailing list=20 >>>> 108attendees@ietf.org=20 >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Standard Robert Moskowitz=20 >>> Owner=20 >>> HTT Consulting=20 >>> C:248-219-2059=20 >>> F:248-968-2824=20 >>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com=20 >>>=20 >>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who ge= ts the credit=20 >>>=20 >=20 > --=20 > Robert Moskowitz > Owner > HTT Consulting > C: 248-219-2059 > F: 248-968-2824 > E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >=20 > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets= the credit > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --Apple-Mail-25A90B29-C9BA-400B-86AD-DCE0E8CF18E6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is Gravatar business model? Is this on= e of those surveillance companies that track you wherever you use the avatar= and then sells the data? What is their privacy policy? Has the IETF embrace= d Internet surveillance?

-- Christian Huitema <= /div>

On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54= AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 =20 =20 And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never got a response on that.  That was ~1yr ago.

At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysler.

On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote:
Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if there is no gravatar association?

On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
An Avatar for IETF, fine.  But globally= ?  No thank you.

And for Wordpress?  Not there.

I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin).

On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:

It=E2=80=99s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/

First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar picture.

I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here.

/Carlos

Carlos M. Martinez
CTO - Gerente de Tecnolog=C3=ADa
LACNIC

On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

    What is Gravatar?

    On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote:
    gravatar

    On 28/07/2020, at 1= :32 AM, Robert Moskowitz
    <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com <mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>> wrote:

    Where is Meetecho getting its few participa= nt pics?

    Seems only a few people are showing.


    --     108attendees mailing l= ist
    108attendees@ietf.org <mailto:108attendees@ietf.org>
    https://www.ietf.org/mai= lman/listinfo/108attendees


    --     Jay Daley
    IETF Executive Director
    jay@ietf.org <mailto:jay@ietf.org>



    --     Standard Robert Moskowitz=
    Owner
    HTT Consulting
    C:248-219-2059
    F:248-968-2824
    E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

    There's no limit to what can be accomplished if= it doesn't matter
    who gets the credit

    --     108attendees mailing list=
    108attendees@ietf.org
    https://www.ietf.org/mailman= /listinfo/108attendees



-- 
Standard Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:248-219-2059
F:248-968-2824
E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit


--
Standard Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:      248-219-2059
F:   &nbs= p;  248-968-2824
E:   &nbs= p;  rgm@labs.htt-co= nsult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit
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Martinez" To: "Christian Huitema" Cc: "Robert Moskowitz" , "Jay Daley" , "Henk Birkholz" , 108attendees@ietf.org Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:06:19 -0300 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0E7D9C1F-EDE6-4FF9-BE81-E545DEB622F0@huitema.net> References: <3f52adbd-ceb4-88df-b2c7-ce042cdae52e@labs.htt-consult.com> <0E7D9C1F-EDE6-4FF9-BE81-E545DEB622F0@huitema.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_CF82084F-657F-4FAC-8DFD-56FFC0D99783_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Embedded-HTML: [{"HTML":[722, 7644], "plain":[371, 3170], "uuid":"ECF6158F-353E-4CF7-B054-DC6DA8ED4C1C"}] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:06:38 -0000 --=_MailMate_CF82084F-657F-4FAC-8DFD-56FFC0D99783_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As an initiative for World Domination (tm) Gravatar could probably feature in a Pinky and the Brain episode. It’s just a convenience feature you are free to (not) use. The internet has more info: https://www.quora.com/How-does-Gravatar-make-money /Carlos Carlos M. Martinez CTO - Gerente de Tecnología LACNIC On 27 Jul 2020, at 16:59, Christian Huitema wrote: > What is Gravatar business model? Is this one of those surveillance > companies that track you wherever you use the avatar and then sells > the data? What is their privacy policy? Has the IETF embraced Internet > surveillance? > > -- Christian Huitema > >> On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz >> wrote: >> >>  And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never got a >> response on that. That was ~1yr ago. >> >> At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to >> Chrysler. >> >> On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote: >>> Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if >>> there is no gravatar association? >>> >>>> On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>> An Avatar for IETF, fine. But globally? No thank you. >>>> >>>> And for Wordpress? Not there. >>>> >>>> I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin). >>>> >>>>> On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It’s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/ >>>>> >>>>> First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after >>>>> that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with >>>>> an avatar picture. >>>>> >>>>> I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here. >>>>> >>>>> /Carlos >>>>> >>>>> Carlos M. Martinez >>>>> CTO - Gerente de Tecnología >>>>> LACNIC >>>>> >>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What is Gravatar? >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >>>>>> gravatar >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seems only a few people are showing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list >>>>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Jay Daley >>>>>> IETF Executive Director >>>>>> jay@ietf.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Standard Robert Moskowitz >>>>> Owner >>>>> HTT Consulting >>>>> C:248-219-2059 >>>>> F:248-968-2824 >>>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>>>> >>>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't >>>>> matter >>>>> who gets the credit >>>>> >>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list >>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Standard Robert Moskowitz >>>> Owner >>>> HTT Consulting >>>> C:248-219-2059 >>>> F:248-968-2824 >>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>>> >>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter >>>> who gets the credit >>>> >> >> -- >> Robert Moskowitz >> Owner >> HTT Consulting >> C: 248-219-2059 >> F: 248-968-2824 >> E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >> >> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who >> gets the credit >> -- >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --=_MailMate_CF82084F-657F-4FAC-8DFD-56FFC0D99783_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As an initiative for World = Domination (tm) Gravatar could probably feature in a Pinky and the Brain = episode.

It=E2=80=99s just a convenience feature you are free to (= not) use.

The internet has more info: https://www.quora.com/How-does-Gravatar= -make-money

/Carlos

Carlos M. Martinez
CTO - Gerente de Tecnolog=C3=ADa
LACNIC

On 27 Jul 2020, at 16:59, Christian Huitema wrote:

What is Gravatar busines= s model? Is this one of those surveillance companies that track you where= ver you use the avatar and then sells the data? What is their privacy pol= icy? Has the IETF embraced Internet surveillance?

-- Christian Huitema 

On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-con= sult.com> wrote:

<= div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF = = = And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never got a response on that.  That was ~1yr ago.

At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysler.

On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote:
Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if there is no gravatar association?

On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
An Avatar for IETF, fine.  But globa= lly?  No thank you.

And for Wordpress?  Not there.

I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin).

On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:

It=E2=80=99s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/

First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar picture.

I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here.

/Carlos

Carlos M. Martinez
CTO - Gerente de Tecnolog=C3=ADa
LACNIC

On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

    What is Gravatar?

    On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote:
    gravatar

    On 28/07/2020, a= t 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz
    <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com <mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>> wrote:

    Where is Meetecho getting its few partic= ipant pics?

    Seems only a few people are showing.


    --     108attendees maili= ng list
    108attendees@ietf.org <mailto:108attendees@ietf.org>
    https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/108attendees


    --     Jay Daley
    IETF Executive Director
    jay@ietf.org <mailto:jay@ietf.org>



    --     Standard Robert Moskow= itz
    Owner
    HTT Consulting
    C:248-219-2059
    F:248-968-2824
    E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

    There's no limit to what can be accomplished= if it doesn't matter
    who gets the credit

    --     108attendees mailing l= ist
    108attendees@ietf.org
    https://www.ietf.org/m= ailman/listinfo/108attendees



-- 
Standard Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:248-219-2059
F:248-968-2824
E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit


--
Standard Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:      248-219-2059
F:   &= nbsp;  248-968-2824=
E:   &= nbsp;  rgm@la= bs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit
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([2601:647:5a00:ef0b:78b9:7bc7:7db:4a6a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g6sm15787339pfr.129.2020.07.27.13.12.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_503BE908-9E1E-4766-A5A1-0EBACABCBE89"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:12:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: <0E7D9C1F-EDE6-4FF9-BE81-E545DEB622F0@huitema.net> Cc: Bob Hinden , Robert Moskowitz , Jay Daley , "Carlos M. Martinez" , Henk Birkholz , 108attendees@ietf.org To: Christian Huitema References: <3f52adbd-ceb4-88df-b2c7-ce042cdae52e@labs.htt-consult.com> <0E7D9C1F-EDE6-4FF9-BE81-E545DEB622F0@huitema.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:12:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_503BE908-9E1E-4766-A5A1-0EBACABCBE89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Christian, > On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Christian Huitema = wrote: >=20 > What is Gravatar business model? Is this one of those surveillance = companies that track you wherever you use the avatar and then sells the = data? What is their privacy policy? Has the IETF embraced Internet = surveillance? Good questions. I went to the site and it wanted me to log in with my Wordpress account. = I didn=E2=80=99t want to do that because the stuff I do with Wordpress = has nothing to do with my IETF work and didn=E2=80=99t want them = associated. When I said no, it offered to use my Google or Apple = credentials. No thanks. Bob >=20 > -- Christian Huitema >=20 >> On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never = got a response on that. That was ~1yr ago. >>=20 >> At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to = Chrysler. >>=20 >> On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote: >>> Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if = there is no gravatar association? >>>=20 >>> On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>> An Avatar for IETF, fine. But globally? No thank you. >>>>=20 >>>> And for Wordpress? Not there. >>>>=20 >>>> I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin). >>>>=20 >>>> On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> It=E2=80=99s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/ >>>>>=20 >>>>> First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after = that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an = avatar picture. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here. >>>>>=20 >>>>> /Carlos >>>>>=20 >>>>> Carlos M. Martinez >>>>> CTO - Gerente de Tecnolog=C3=ADa >>>>> LACNIC >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> What is Gravatar? >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >>>>>> gravatar >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz >>>>>>> > = wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Seems only a few people are showing. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list >>>>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- Jay Daley >>>>>> IETF Executive Director >>>>>> jay@ietf.org >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- Standard Robert Moskowitz >>>>> Owner >>>>> HTT Consulting >>>>> C:248-219-2059 >>>>> F:248-968-2824 >>>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>>>>=20 >>>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't = matter >>>>> who gets the credit >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list >>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Standard Robert Moskowitz >>>> Owner >>>> HTT Consulting >>>> C:248-219-2059 >>>> F:248-968-2824 >>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>>>=20 >>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter = who gets the credit >>>>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Robert Moskowitz >> Owner >> HTT Consulting >> C: 248-219-2059 >> F: 248-968-2824 >> E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>=20 >> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who = gets the credit >> -- >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --Apple-Mail=_503BE908-9E1E-4766-A5A1-0EBACABCBE89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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Martinez" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000056a15305ab71fbba" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:15:25 -0000 --00000000000056a15305ab71fbba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 to Christian and Bob On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:13 PM Bob Hinden wrote: > Christian, > > > On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Christian Huitema > wrote: > > > > What is Gravatar business model? Is this one of those surveillance > companies that track you wherever you use the avatar and then sells the > data? What is their privacy policy? Has the IETF embraced Internet > surveillance? > > Good questions. > > I went to the site and it wanted me to log in with my Wordpress account. > I didn=E2=80=99t want to do that because the stuff I do with Wordpress h= as nothing > to do with my IETF work and didn=E2=80=99t want them associated. When I= said no, > it offered to use my Google or Apple credentials. No thanks. > > Bob > > > > > > > -- Christian Huitema > > > >> On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz > wrote: > >> > >> =EF=BB=BF And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never go= t a > response on that. That was ~1yr ago. > >> > >> At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysler= . > >> > >> On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote: > >>> Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if > there is no gravatar association? > >>> > >>> On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>>> An Avatar for IETF, fine. But globally? No thank you. > >>>> > >>>> And for Wordpress? Not there. > >>>> > >>>> I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin). > >>>> > >>>> On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> It=E2=80=99s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that > you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar > picture. > >>>>> > >>>>> I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here. > >>>>> > >>>>> /Carlos > >>>>> > >>>>> Carlos M. Martinez > >>>>> CTO - Gerente de Tecnolog=C3=ADa > >>>>> LACNIC > >>>>> > >>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> What is Gravatar? > >>>>> > >>>>> On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: > >>>>>> gravatar > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz > >>>>>>> > > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Seems only a few people are showing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list > >>>>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org > >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- Jay Daley > >>>>>> IETF Executive Director > >>>>>> jay@ietf.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- Standard Robert Moskowitz > >>>>> Owner > >>>>> HTT Consulting > >>>>> C:248-219-2059 > >>>>> F:248-968-2824 > >>>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > >>>>> > >>>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matt= er > >>>>> who gets the credit > >>>>> > >>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list > >>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Standard Robert Moskowitz > >>>> Owner > >>>> HTT Consulting > >>>> C:248-219-2059 > >>>> F:248-968-2824 > >>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > >>>> > >>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter wh= o > gets the credit > >>>> > >> > >> -- > >> Robert Moskowitz > >> Owner > >> HTT Consulting > >> C: 248-219-2059 > >> F: 248-968-2824 > >> E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > >> > >> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who > gets the credit > >> -- > >> 108attendees mailing list > >> 108attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > > -- > > 108attendees mailing list > > 108attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > --00000000000056a15305ab71fbba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1 to Christian and Bob


<= /div>
O= n Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:13 PM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
= Christian,

> On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> wrote: >
> What is Gravatar business model? Is this one of those surveillance com= panies that track you wherever you use the avatar and then sells the data? = What is their privacy policy? Has the IETF embraced Internet surveillance?<= br>
Good questions.

I went to the site and it wanted me to log in with my Wordpress account.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0I didn=E2=80=99t want to do that because the stuff I do with Word= press has nothing to do with my IETF work and didn=E2=80=99t want them asso= ciated.=C2=A0 =C2=A0When I said no, it offered to use my Google or Apple cr= edentials.=C2=A0 =C2=A0No thanks.

Bob



>
> -- Christian Huitema
>
>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com&= gt; wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and neve= r got a response on that.=C2=A0 That was ~1yr ago.
>>
>> At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chry= sler.
>>
>> On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote:
>>> Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "av= atar", if there is no gravatar association?
>>>
>>> On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>> An Avatar for IETF, fine.=C2=A0 But globally?=C2=A0 No tha= nk you.
>>>>
>>>> And for Wordpress?=C2=A0 Not there.
>>>>
>>>> I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than L= inkedin).
>>>>
>>>> On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It=E2=80=99s a public avatar service, https://en.gravat= ar.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account a= nd after that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with = an avatar picture.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned he= re.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos M. Martinez
>>>>> CTO - Gerente de Tecnolog=C3=ADa
>>>>> LACNIC
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is Gravatar?
>>>>>
>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote= :
>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gravatar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, = Robert Moskowitz
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<rgm@labs.htt-consult.com <mai= lto:rgm@labs.= htt-consult.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Where is Meetecho getting i= ts few participant pics?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seems only a few people are= showing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0108at= tendees mailing list
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0108attendees@ietf.org <mailto:108attendees@ietf.org<= /a>>
>>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jay Daley=
>>>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IETF Executive Director
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--00000000000056a15305ab71fbba-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 13:22:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551463A0BA9; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Ylru2gbm1Xe; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AB8B3A0BA8; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD38062454; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:22:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id VDlC1OZ+GfGP; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0EFA862422; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:22:09 -0400 (EDT) To: Bob Hinden , Christian Huitema Cc: Jay Daley , "Carlos M. Martinez" , Henk Birkholz , 108attendees@ietf.org References: <3f52adbd-ceb4-88df-b2c7-ce042cdae52e@labs.htt-consult.com> <0E7D9C1F-EDE6-4FF9-BE81-E545DEB622F0@huitema.net> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:22:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E0C1279E29602CB7F1973125" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:22:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E0C1279E29602CB7F1973125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Exactly my concern. I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one?  I am assuming I have a Google account as I have a 5 year old Samsung Galaxy 4; I seem to recall I had no choice in the matter. I really am not interested in having an Avatar connected to them. But I do have a pic at Linkedin and if there was a way, I would add one to my IETF profile. Oh, I have not done anything with an Apple device since before the Lisa. On 7/27/20 4:12 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Christian, > >> On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: >> >> What is Gravatar business model? Is this one of those surveillance companies that track you wherever you use the avatar and then sells the data? What is their privacy policy? Has the IETF embraced Internet surveillance? > Good questions. > > I went to the site and it wanted me to log in with my Wordpress account. I didn’t want to do that because the stuff I do with Wordpress has nothing to do with my IETF work and didn’t want them associated. When I said no, it offered to use my Google or Apple credentials. No thanks. > > Bob > > > >> -- Christian Huitema >> >>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> >>>  And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never got a response on that. That was ~1yr ago. >>> >>> At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysler. >>> >>> On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote: >>>> Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if there is no gravatar association? >>>> >>>> On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>>> An Avatar for IETF, fine. But globally? No thank you. >>>>> >>>>> And for Wordpress? Not there. >>>>> >>>>> I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin). >>>>> >>>>> On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: >>>>>> It’s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar picture. >>>>>> >>>>>> I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here. >>>>>> >>>>>> /Carlos >>>>>> >>>>>> Carlos M. Martinez >>>>>> CTO - Gerente de Tecnología >>>>>> LACNIC >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What is Gravatar? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >>>>>>> gravatar >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seems only a few people are showing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list >>>>>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Jay Daley >>>>>>> IETF Executive Director >>>>>>> jay@ietf.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- Standard Robert Moskowitz >>>>>> Owner >>>>>> HTT Consulting >>>>>> C:248-219-2059 >>>>>> F:248-968-2824 >>>>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>>>>> >>>>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter >>>>>> who gets the credit >>>>>> >>>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list >>>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Standard Robert Moskowitz >>>>> Owner >>>>> HTT Consulting >>>>> C:248-219-2059 >>>>> F:248-968-2824 >>>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>>>> >>>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit >>>>> >>> -- >>> Robert Moskowitz >>> Owner >>> HTT Consulting >>> C: 248-219-2059 >>> F: 248-968-2824 >>> E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>> >>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit >>> -- >>> 108attendees mailing list >>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >> -- >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees -- Standard Robert Moskowitz Owner HTT Consulting C:248-219-2059 F:248-968-2824 E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit --------------E0C1279E29602CB7F1973125 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Exactly my concern.

I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one?  I am assuming I have a Google account as I have a 5 year old Samsung Galaxy 4; I seem to recall I had no choice in the matter.

I really am not interested in having an Avatar connected to them.  But I do have a pic at Linkedin and if there was a way, I would add one to my IETF profile.

Oh, I have not done anything with an Apple device since before the Lisa.



On 7/27/20 4:12 PM, Bob Hinden wrote:
Christian,

On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> wrote:

What is Gravatar business model? Is this one of those surveillance companies that track you wherever you use the avatar and then sells the data? What is their privacy policy? Has the IETF embraced Internet surveillance?
Good questions.

I went to the site and it wanted me to log in with my Wordpress account.   I didn’t want to do that because the stuff I do with Wordpress has nothing to do with my IETF work and didn’t want them associated.   When I said no, it offered to use my Google or Apple credentials.   No thanks.

Bob



-- Christian Huitema

On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:

 And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never got a response on that.  That was ~1yr ago.

At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysler.

On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote:
Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if there is no gravatar association?

On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
An Avatar for IETF, fine.  But globally?  No thank you.

And for Wordpress?  Not there.

I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin).

On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
It’s a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/

First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar picture.

I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here.

/Carlos

Carlos M. Martinez
CTO - Gerente de Tecnología
LACNIC

On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

    What is Gravatar?

    On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote:
    gravatar

    On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz
    <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com <mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>> wrote:

    Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics?

    Seems only a few people are showing.


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    jay@ietf.org <mailto:jay@ietf.org>


    --     Standard Robert Moskowitz
    Owner
    HTT Consulting
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    There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter
    who gets the credit

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    108attendees@ietf.org
    https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees


--
Standard Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:248-219-2059
F:248-968-2824
E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit

--
Robert Moskowitz
Owner
HTT Consulting
C:      248-219-2059
F:      248-968-2824
E:      rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit
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Owner
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F:      248-968-2824
E:      rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

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Is this one of those surveillance companies that track you wherever you use the avatar and then sells the data? What is their privacy policy? Has the IETF embraced Internet surveillance? >> >> Good questions. >> >> I went to the site and it wanted me to log in with my Wordpress account. I didn't want to do that because the stuff I do with Wordpress has nothing to do with my IETF work and didn't want them associated. When I said no, it offered to use my Google or Apple credentials. No thanks. >> >> Bob >> >>> >>> -- Christian Huitema >>> >>>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>> >>>> And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and never got a response on that. That was ~1yr ago. >>>> >>>> At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysler. >>>> >>>> On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote: >>>>> Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "avatar", if there is no gravatar association? >>>>> >>>>> On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>>>> An Avatar for IETF, fine. But globally? No thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> And for Wordpress? Not there. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am an old foggy... No social media account (other than Linkedin). >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a public avatar service, https://en.gravatar.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that you can add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar picture. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had actually forgotten about this until mentioned here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /Carlos >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carlos M. Martinez >>>>>>> CTO - Gerente de Tecnología >>>>>>> LACNIC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is Gravatar? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote: >>>>>>>> gravatar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where is Meetecho getting its few participant pics? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Seems only a few people are showing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list >>>>>>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees [1] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Jay Daley >>>>>>>> IETF Executive Director >>>>>>>> jay@ietf.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Standard Robert Moskowitz >>>>>>> Owner >>>>>>> HTT Consulting >>>>>>> C:248-219-2059 >>>>>>> F:248-968-2824 >>>>>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter >>>>>>> who gets the credit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- 108attendees mailing list >>>>>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Standard Robert Moskowitz >>>>>> Owner >>>>>> HTT Consulting >>>>>> C:248-219-2059 >>>>>> F:248-968-2824 >>>>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>>>>> >>>>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Robert Moskowitz >>>> Owner >>>> HTT Consulting >>>> C: 248-219-2059 >>>> F: 248-968-2824 >>>> E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com >>>> >>>> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit >>>> -- >>>> 108attendees mailing list >>>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >>> -- >>> 108attendees mailing list >>> 108attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >> >> -- >> 108attendees mailing list >> 108attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees +1 -- Dr Clement Genty Meursault (Côte d'Or) - France www.genty.info [2] Links: ------ [1] https://www.ietf..org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees [2] http://www.genty.info --=_0ffd814b23f26f9a6508b318213a10c5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Le 27.07.2020 22:15, Behcet Sarikaya a écrit&n= bsp;:

+1 to Christian and Bob
 
 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:13 PM Bob= Hinden <bob= =2Ehinden@gmail.com> wrote:
Christian,

> On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:59 PM= , Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> wrote:
>
> What is Grav= atar business model? Is this one of those surveillance companies that track= you wherever you use the avatar and then sells the data? What is their pri= vacy policy? Has the IETF embraced Internet surveillance?

Good q= uestions.

I went to the site and it wanted me to log in with my = Wordpress account.   I didn't want to do that because the stuff I= do with Wordpress has nothing to do with my IETF work and didn't want them= associated.   When I said no, it offered to use my Google or App= le credentials.   No thanks.

Bob



>
> -- Christian Huitema
>
>> On Jul 27, = 2020, at 7:54 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:
>= ;>
>> And I asked for a pic to be added to my profile and ne= ver got a response on that.  That was ~1yr ago.
>>
&g= t;> At least they linked all my old email addresses going back to Chrysl= er.
>>
>> On 7/27/20 10:38 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote:<= br />>>> Would it be difficult to fall-back to an IETF profile "av= atar", if there is no gravatar association?
>>>
>>= ;> On 27.07.20 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>> An A= vatar for IETF, fine.  But globally?  No thank you.
>>= >>
>>>> And for Wordpress?  Not there.
&g= t;>>>
>>>> I am an old foggy... No social media = account (other than Linkedin).
>>>>
>>>>= On 7/27/20 10:20 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
>>>>> <= br />>>>>> It's a public avatar service, https://en= =2Egravatar.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> F= irst create a profile using a Wordpress.com account and after that you can = add multiple email addresses and associate them with an avatar picture.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had actually forgotten = about this until mentioned here.
>>>>>
>>&g= t;>> /Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>> Car= los M. Martinez
>>>>> CTO - Gerente de Tecnologí= a
>>>>> LACNIC
>>>>>
>>= >>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 11:12, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>= ;>>>
>>>>>     What is Gravata= r?
>>>>>
>>>>>     = On 7/27/20 9:35 AM, Jay Daley wrote:
>>>>>>  &n= bsp;  gravatar
>>>>>>
>>>>>= ;>>     On 28/07/2020, at 1:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz>>>>>>>     <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com <= ;mailto:rgm@= labs.htt-consult.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> <= br />>>>>>>>     Where is Meetecho gett= ing its few participant pics?
>>>>>>>
>&= gt;>>>>>     Seems only a few people are show= ing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <= br />>>>>>>>     --     = 108attendees mailing list
>>>>>>>    &n= bsp;108attendee= s@ietf.org <mailto:108attendees@ietf.org>
>>>>>>>&= nbsp;    https://www.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/108attendees
>>>>>>>
&= gt;>>>>>
>>>>>>     -= -     Jay Daley
>>>>>>    &= nbsp;IETF Executive Director
>>>>>>    &nb= sp;jay@ietf.org <= mailto:jay@ietf.org&= gt;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>= >>>>
>>>>>     --  &nb= sp;  Standard Robert Moskowitz
>>>>>    =  Owner
>>>>>     HTT Consulting
>>>>>     C:248-219-2059
>>>&= gt;>     F:248-968-2824
>>>>>  &= nbsp;  E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com
>>&g= t;>>
>>>>>     There's no limit t= o what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter
>>>>>&n= bsp;    who gets the credit
>>>>>
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>>>>>     108at= tendees@ietf.org
>>>>>     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attende= es
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>&= gt;>
>>>> --
>>>> Standard Robert Mos= kowitz
>>>> Owner
>>>> HTT Consulting
>>>> C:248-219-2059
>>>> F:248-968-2824
>>>> E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com
>= >>>
>>>> There's no limit to what can be accompl= ished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit
>>>>
= >>
>> --
>> Robert Moskowitz
>> Own= er
>> HTT Consulting
>> C:      248-21= 9-2059
>> F:      248-968-2824
>> E:&n= bsp;     rgm@labs.htt-consult.com
>>
>> There's no= limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit=
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A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by Automattic which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why you need a Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress. They have a detailed privacy policy here: https://automattic.com/privacy/ It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the most evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads on their site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not providing ads, just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. I've had my Gravatar set up for ages including for some addresses that only Wordpress knows and I've never gotten any unexpected spam to those addresses. I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker pix instead but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to do. R's, John From nobody Mon Jul 27 14:36:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0B53A0800 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fcYWcPuZ2FJX for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66BDC3A07E8 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3DE62454; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:36:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2sK06EYaVON0; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F77B62422; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:36:48 -0400 (EDT) To: John Levine , 108attendees@ietf.org References: <20200727203610.C12881D8F976@ary.qy> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <4b4ee2bb-c9ed-bb64-6a63-d8c55148430c@labs.htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:36:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200727203610.C12881D8F976@ary.qy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 21:36:56 -0000 On 7/27/20 4:36 PM, John Levine wrote: > In article <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com> you write: >> Exactly my concern. >> >> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one? > A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by Automattic > which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why you need a > Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress. I am not aware of any business reason for me to get a Wordpress account. Ergo I will not have a gravatar. Simple. Others will undoubtedly have a different calculus. > > They have a detailed privacy policy here: > > https://automattic.com/privacy/ > > It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the most > evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads on their > site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not providing ads, > just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. I've had my Gravatar set > up for ages including for some addresses that only Wordpress knows and > I've never gotten any unexpected spam to those addresses. > > I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker pix instead > but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to do. > > R's, > John > From nobody Mon Jul 27 14:45:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126033A085A for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:45:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.847 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9KPtyVSkrF9t for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ej1-x633.google.com (mail-ej1-x633.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::633]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AEC03A0855 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x633.google.com with SMTP id w9so18554404ejc.8 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:45:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FGExReu9RHTjApOaq/ZZJF83GBoSkNmEYAUSNg64Wvs=; b=Ku/9gaaBCHUrE9KiAPtdzh8Fp7OCkVRU62w+J+NAdM+csNZSGMN+VOXfLWBVLjDIw0 5KIva3fhWI9VLNx/7NlarSW3aMRfKLkJ6cgGFmvkLleFZWAv2SlQp9GuziDDm4RC5KAk gpmwDZdwBqWl8hpCAHVX3458UxPdunE0FR8lMgG0cWBNBXvuEwQNzh8SrRcXcKXJA6/M 2+0brG9ejldU/EaM1ND70TZqG1FkUapJ9387JSQGokGvcbk6B1Vgg+Y41U89Cu4onW2C PwrDTwgtNuqirgiHRBICX/lKqy4iNc4vEY0psIAPkWpx8RgEsMQWpcW+qIXewOEo71Fr ya5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FGExReu9RHTjApOaq/ZZJF83GBoSkNmEYAUSNg64Wvs=; b=XYQVMkQQwivKXyAJSlWtSsV5bOukyfE/iL3K9xFq+1JPIrCZRxhNJf5FGoEFOdiYmh cXhk6YDJzoi83yfzIGJW6Wz4Fd7JrlF7CLfIfHRZClavRSJv7rz8ANuf4adxTJ0Izy/L ppso81PTbysqbMCSO7Zs6XfCrmkEbz2bJrFQQp8XU34o2lCwIKU0zb+mLjWZSWHUmx5l DMttw9E96zIc61KyCh/uZNmEQ0p/K6tKCNRE1Pxc6uN2Tw2pQT7hozFS4vOZzwwrQcyb i2zs8qQrAR7aYF2go/qLcdKpgOugcY7Pu7Dd414z5c2A8c2z20vKqSKTsMuWQIkZeRp2 Qt7A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Vi4MWnPHaKHxGxRCKs74IFxpHAT1dN5A4Cm9IdqYbYaMPGiAj oXHA7f/GTn34qIUS1HP20tz+Rqt35KM4yPqNktU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxA2YNsyCxNmRNzsKebgqzbRjQ3hJy7XvdsKTTG/p1+BMJ5ZVc9OxgXdu2vp0pWj0rnHvDD5aGVHdRVo+JIRH8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:410c:: with SMTP id j12mr22447431ejk.284.1595886335762; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:45:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200727203610.C12881D8F976@ary.qy> <4b4ee2bb-c9ed-bb64-6a63-d8c55148430c@labs.htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: <4b4ee2bb-c9ed-bb64-6a63-d8c55148430c@labs.htt-consult.com> From: Bret Jordan Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:45:24 -0600 Message-ID: To: Robert Moskowitz Cc: John Levine , 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000025263005ab733e25" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 21:45:40 -0000 --00000000000025263005ab733e25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Whether people opt to have a Gravatar or not is about as relevant to the IETF as if you drink Non-fat, 1%, 2%, 3%, Half-Half, for Full Cream milk or if you are against people drinking milk all together. Or better yet, if the toilet paper roll should roll forward or backward. Gravatar has been around for a very long time, since early 2007. If you are just finding out about it now, then, well, sorry. But it has been around for a long time. A lot of services and sites on the internet use it, it is a great idea. If you do not want one, then do not get one. Simple. But it is nice to have a single place to update your "avatar" and have it work in a lot of places. We should really have a list called bike-shed@ietf.org so all of these discussions and debates can be moved there. Bret Sent from my TI-99/4A PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > > On 7/27/20 4:36 PM, John Levine wrote: > > In article <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com> > you write: > >> Exactly my concern. > >> > >> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one? > > A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by Automattic > > which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why you need a > > Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress. > I am not aware of any business reason for me to get a Wordpress account. > > Ergo I will not have a gravatar. > > Simple. > > Others will undoubtedly have a different calculus. > > > > > They have a detailed privacy policy here: > > > > https://automattic.com/privacy/ > > > > It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the most > > evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads on their > > site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not providing ads, > > just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. I've had my Gravatar set > > up for ages including for some addresses that only Wordpress knows and > > I've never gotten any unexpected spam to those addresses. > > > > I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker pix instead > > but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to do. > > > > R's, > > John > > > > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > --00000000000025263005ab733e25 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whether people opt to have a Gravatar or not is about as r= elevant to the IETF as if you drink Non-fat, 1%, 2%, 3%, Half-Half, for Ful= l Cream milk or if you are against people drinking milk all together. Or be= tter yet, if the toilet paper roll should roll forward or backward.=C2=A0 G= ravatar has been around for a very long time, since early 2007. If you are = just finding out about it now, then, well, sorry.=C2=A0 But it has been aro= und for a long time. A lot of services and sites on the internet use it, it= is a great idea. If you do not want one, then do not get one. Simple. But = it is nice to have a single place to update your "avatar" and hav= e it work in a lot of places.=C2=A0

We should reall= y have a list called bike-shed@ietf.o= rg so all of these discussions and debates can be moved there.=C2=A0

Bret

Sent from my TI-99/4A
PGP Fingerprint:=C2=A063B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 =C2=A0F2= C0 74F8 ACAE=C2=A07415 0050


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert = Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-cons= ult.com> wrote:


On 7/27/20 4:36 PM, John Levine wrote:
> In article <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be627= 1@labs.htt-consult.com> you write:
>> Exactly my concern.
>>
>> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one?
> A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by Automattic > which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why you need a
> Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress.
I am not aware of any business reason for me to get a Wordpress account.
Ergo I will not have a gravatar.

Simple.

Others will undoubtedly have a different calculus.

>
> They have a detailed privacy policy here:
>
> https://automattic.com/privacy/
>
> It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the most=
> evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads on their
> site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not providing= ads,
> just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. I've had my Gravatar= set
> up for ages including for some addresses that only Wordpress knows and=
> I've never gotten any unexpected spam to those addresses.
>
> I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker pix = instead
> but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to do.
>
> R's,
> John
>

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Sorry :-) To be totally honest here, I am not unhappy to see at least one lengthy, curious thread on the 108attendees list! Makes this IETF experience feel a little bit closer to... the real thing - as long as we are civil and we think of Dijkstra if the discussion becomes too circular. Cheers, Henk On 27.07.20 23:45, Bret Jordan wrote: > Whether people opt to have a Gravatar or not is about as relevant to the > IETF as if you drink Non-fat, 1%, 2%, 3%, Half-Half, for Full Cream milk > or if you are against people drinking milk all together. Or better yet, > if the toilet paper roll should roll forward or backward.  Gravatar has > been around for a very long time, since early 2007. If you are just > finding out about it now, then, well, sorry.  But it has been around for > a long time. A lot of services and sites on the internet use it, it is a > great idea. If you do not want one, then do not get one. Simple. But it > is nice to have a single place to update your "avatar" and have it work > in a lot of places. > > We should really have a list called bike-shed@ietf.org > so all of these discussions and debates can > be moved there. > > Bret > > Sent from my TI-99/4A > PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447  F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert Moskowitz > > wrote: > > > > On 7/27/20 4:36 PM, John Levine wrote: > > In article > <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com > > > you write: > >> Exactly my concern. > >> > >> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one? > > A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by Automattic > > which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why you need a > > Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress. > I am not aware of any business reason for me to get a Wordpress account. > > Ergo I will not have a gravatar. > > Simple. > > Others will undoubtedly have a different calculus. > > > > > They have a detailed privacy policy here: > > > > https://automattic.com/privacy/ > > > > It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the most > > evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads on their > > site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not providing ads, > > just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. I've had my > Gravatar set > > up for ages including for some addresses that only Wordpress > knows and > > I've never gotten any unexpected spam to those addresses. > > > > I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker pix > instead > > but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to do. > > > > R's, > > John > > > > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > > From nobody Mon Jul 27 15:02:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4D43A08C1 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sJQaD1i9mcAI for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6BEA3A08C0 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k0BCS-0004HN-Lf; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:02:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:02:18 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: John Levine , 108attendees@ietf.org cc: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com Message-ID: <7F856E693FC721068D11CBC9@PSB> In-Reply-To: <20200727203610.C12881D8F976@ary.qy> References: <20200727203610.C12881D8F976@ary.qy> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 22:02:30 -0000 --On Monday, July 27, 2020 16:36 -0400 John Levine wrote: > In article > <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com> > you write: >> Exactly my concern. >> >> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one? > > A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by > Automattic which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why > you need a Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress. > > They have a detailed privacy policy here: > > https://automattic.com/privacy/ > > It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the > most evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads > on their site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not > providing ads, just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. > I've had my Gravatar set up for ages including for some > addresses that only Wordpress knows and I've never gotten any > unexpected spam to those addresses. > > I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker > pix instead but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to > do. While I share Christian's and Bob's concerns --and your explanation makes me feel only slightly better-- your last comment seems key to me. A very large number of changes were made to Meetecho since we last used it for IETF 106 in November. I inferred from comments made during one of the "test sessions" that most were made at the behest of IETF leadership and staff. >From my perspective, at least some of those changes (including the apparent need to queue separately to send audio and video that was noticed in a couple of sessions today) were steps backward in UI quality. Given all of that, getting these pictures/avatars up was a justified expenditure of programming time and energy because? Or, to put it more closely in terms of your comment, if this wasn't worth doing right (by pulling pictures from the Datatracker), why was it worth doing at all? john From nobody Mon Jul 27 15:05:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353933A0884 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.847 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4l3H2O_3t6Sx for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ed1-x532.google.com (mail-ed1-x532.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::532]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A68583A08D7 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x532.google.com with SMTP id a8so13271336edy.1 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fYxMjGx30kX8WBM0LqWaKCFHUvg78drr/evJjlprfBg=; b=Ce5Nq8W1lYPs7pq+GRC2/Z55oyc9FyNglLNgtDg2CrwJqte1+hC5R9pZNyPJ/wwO9J wOgpWGy3LuSfS2dqCyobwwDJF5iPudAB/sjEIaFKhq89O5NCDy5hSfMFhWSBkmsrE9SV hd/17Lx2tvL8u2Da3RbuYUmho/MTps17ghs49iX9h1PTdms3UKkX69i5CGuOZBjSCsii Gmx3HsNLlDdWoPE/EiQAeUEEZgvyFJwWqIYo6vm5nQ95THOkc6WcWy8jNwRR6vtIKicJ fMwUAN1KymlxuGscH35z9ebyMMHnHqF34vD4YdIxZcGTPjJQ/ZbTGwjuCLPDLxBemZfK cr0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fYxMjGx30kX8WBM0LqWaKCFHUvg78drr/evJjlprfBg=; b=KlOtiWCqqa6KAzdonHrTDKMLJZGNV3y4ByhVRUvYp28LacPpFLxN97NhTpM2WBDFD7 ZSc9OlNZwFUgfNwr2jASUk9qjOf0WgYj+qaBPdDehn3PLZgxmgjghfi7liro4f8KxvXl F/Atc57rz9rbcVwcGcnsHvOF4EMDjOFl8hxKo1Vv4M9sex6kg1DE5ajugSkmn7UYZRf+ VWma/9cUynOXrR4JZBFNVYFlVsjzNsvFdV3fGn99EqpinJkGIwIcr5WV+dt7yg1lMVVc 1S6x8fqlwlR7TCgFL+RzlVX9cQ8aC04VuCS6OyJ352BIJ7l1EljmG3V2KfIUVtaDwH4X 9s1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5312QeQsaaF00bXZd8y/EeGjgtfpa16xAVDsaCGqh688QviuaH+T xu5FbESuiyddPWvt1PycwvV+6Z3J5eQr8ZOnQwQu7Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJysTAw5nJSiJrV5zQsjCxd7jsOADMjmBAWyPr4MutncKDBSYxf8JAxq2i0A7CGqZVPQR7kTE2CiF8FGnziwUP8= X-Received: by 2002:a50:ec93:: with SMTP id e19mr22579032edr.254.1595887522187; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:05:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200727203610.C12881D8F976@ary.qy> <4b4ee2bb-c9ed-bb64-6a63-d8c55148430c@labs.htt-consult.com> <1b45835f-edfb-6d41-9540-ee94e0eede5c@sit.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <1b45835f-edfb-6d41-9540-ee94e0eede5c@sit.fraunhofer.de> From: Bret Jordan Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:05:11 -0600 Message-ID: To: Henk Birkholz Cc: Robert Moskowitz , John Levine , 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dc8b8405ab73840a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 22:05:26 -0000 --000000000000dc8b8405ab73840a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I miss hanging out with you Henk. Bret Sent from my TI-99/4A PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:57 PM Henk Birkholz < henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> wrote: > Isn't "attendees" already an alias for "bike-shed"? > > Sorry :-) To be totally honest here, I am not unhappy to see at least > one lengthy, curious thread on the 108attendees list! Makes this IETF > experience feel a little bit closer to... the real thing - as long as we > are civil and we think of Dijkstra if the discussion becomes too circular. > > Cheers, > > Henk > > On 27.07.20 23:45, Bret Jordan wrote: > > Whether people opt to have a Gravatar or not is about as relevant to the > > IETF as if you drink Non-fat, 1%, 2%, 3%, Half-Half, for Full Cream milk > > or if you are against people drinking milk all together. Or better yet, > > if the toilet paper roll should roll forward or backward. Gravatar has > > been around for a very long time, since early 2007. If you are just > > finding out about it now, then, well, sorry. But it has been around for > > a long time. A lot of services and sites on the internet use it, it is a > > great idea. If you do not want one, then do not get one. Simple. But it > > is nice to have a single place to update your "avatar" and have it work > > in a lot of places. > > > > We should really have a list called bike-shed@ietf.org > > so all of these discussions and debates can > > be moved there. > > > > Bret > > > > Sent from my TI-99/4A > > PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert Moskowitz > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 7/27/20 4:36 PM, John Levine wrote: > > > In article > > <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com > > > > > you write: > > >> Exactly my concern. > > >> > > >> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one? > > > A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by > Automattic > > > which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why you need a > > > Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress. > > I am not aware of any business reason for me to get a Wordpress > account. > > > > Ergo I will not have a gravatar. > > > > Simple. > > > > Others will undoubtedly have a different calculus. > > > > > > > > They have a detailed privacy policy here: > > > > > > https://automattic.com/privacy/ > > > > > > It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the most > > > evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads on their > > > site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not providing > ads, > > > just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. I've had my > > Gravatar set > > > up for ages including for some addresses that only Wordpress > > knows and > > > I've never gotten any unexpected spam to those addresses. > > > > > > I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker pix > > instead > > > but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to do. > > > > > > R's, > > > John > > > > > > > -- > > 108attendees mailing list > > 108attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > > > > > --000000000000dc8b8405ab73840a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I miss hanging out with you Henk.

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Sent from my TI-99/4A
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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:57 PM Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> wrote:<= br>
Isn't "= attendees" already an alias for "bike-shed"?

Sorry :-) To be totally honest here, I am not unhappy to see at least
one lengthy, curious thread on the 108attendees list! Makes this IETF
experience feel a little bit closer to... the real thing - as long as we are civil and we think of Dijkstra if the discussion becomes too circular.<= br>
Cheers,

Henk

On 27.07.20 23:45, Bret Jordan wrote:
> Whether people opt to have a Gravatar or not is about as relevant to t= he
> IETF as if you drink Non-fat, 1%, 2%, 3%, Half-Half, for Full Cream mi= lk
> or if you are against people drinking milk all together. Or better yet= ,
> if the toilet paper roll should roll forward or backward.=C2=A0 Gravat= ar has
> been around for a very long time, since early 2007. If you are just > finding out about it now, then, well, sorry.=C2=A0 But it has been aro= und for
> a long time. A lot of services and sites on the internet use it, it is= a
> great idea. If you do not want one, then do not get one. Simple. But i= t
> is nice to have a single place to update your "avatar" and h= ave it work
> in a lot of places.
>
> We should really have a list called bike-shed@ietf.org
> <mailto:bik= e-shed@ietf.org> so all of these discussions and debates can
> be moved there.
>
> Bret
>
> Sent from my TI-99/4A
> PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 =C2=A0F2C0 74F8 ACAE=C2=A074= 15 0050
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert Moskowitz
> <rgm@= labs.htt-consult.com <mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>> wrote:
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 7/27/20 4:36 PM, John Levine wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > In article
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9= 787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f= 64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you write:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> Exactly my concern.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why= do I need one?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravat= ar is run by Automattic
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > which is better known as Wordpress.com. That&= #39;s why you need a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I am not aware of any business reason for me to get= a Wordpress account.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ergo I will not have a gravatar.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Simple.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Others will undoubtedly have a different calculus.<= br> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > They have a detailed privacy policy here:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > https://automattic.com/privacy/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info t= o third parties, the most
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > evil thing they do is use your profile info t= o target ads on their
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar sin= ce it's not providing ads,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures.= I've had my
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gravatar set
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > up for ages including for some addresses that= only Wordpress
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0knows and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I've never gotten any unexpected spam to = those addresses.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to= use the Datatracker pix
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0instead
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > but I'd put it pretty low on the list of = things to do.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > R's,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > John
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0108attendees mailing list
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0108attendees@ietf.org <mailto:108attendees@ietf.org>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mailm= an/listinfo/108attendees
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--000000000000dc8b8405ab73840a-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 15:05:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C213A09A5 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:05:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j2D5ozdzjPcO for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99FC83A0900 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ABD62422; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:05:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id nLZCjSher7rk; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A400C62454; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:05:31 -0400 (EDT) To: Henk Birkholz , Bret Jordan Cc: John Levine , 108attendees@ietf.org References: <20200727203610.C12881D8F976@ary.qy> <4b4ee2bb-c9ed-bb64-6a63-d8c55148430c@labs.htt-consult.com> <1b45835f-edfb-6d41-9540-ee94e0eede5c@sit.fraunhofer.de> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:05:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1b45835f-edfb-6d41-9540-ee94e0eede5c@sit.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C87000DD70641AE8369AFF97" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 22:05:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C87000DD70641AE8369AFF97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No comments about meeting rooms too cold.  Or wifi in rooms awful. I mean there has to be SOMETHING to talk about around the cookie table. Since '07?  Just shows that my attention is on other matters... On 7/27/20 5:57 PM, Henk Birkholz wrote: > Isn't "attendees" already an alias for "bike-shed"? > > Sorry :-) To be totally honest here, I am not unhappy to see at least > one lengthy, curious thread on the 108attendees list! Makes this IETF > experience feel a little bit closer to... the real thing - as long as > we are civil and we think of Dijkstra if the discussion becomes too > circular. > > Cheers, > > Henk > > On 27.07.20 23:45, Bret Jordan wrote: >> Whether people opt to have a Gravatar or not is about as relevant to >> the IETF as if you drink Non-fat, 1%, 2%, 3%, Half-Half, for Full >> Cream milk or if you are against people drinking milk all together. >> Or better yet, if the toilet paper roll should roll forward or >> backward.  Gravatar has been around for a very long time, since early >> 2007. If you are just finding out about it now, then, well, sorry.  >> But it has been around for a long time. A lot of services and sites >> on the internet use it, it is a great idea. If you do not want one, >> then do not get one. Simple. But it is nice to have a single place to >> update your "avatar" and have it work in a lot of places. >> >> We should really have a list called bike-shed@ietf.org >> so all of these discussions and debates >> can be moved there. >> >> Bret >> >> Sent from my TI-99/4A >> PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447  F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert Moskowitz >> > wrote: >> >> >> >>     On 7/27/20 4:36 PM, John Levine wrote: >>      > In article >> <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com >> > >>     you write: >>      >> Exactly my concern. >>      >> >>      >> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one? >>      > A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by >> Automattic >>      > which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why you need a >>      > Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress. >>     I am not aware of any business reason for me to get a Wordpress >> account. >> >>     Ergo I will not have a gravatar. >> >>     Simple. >> >>     Others will undoubtedly have a different calculus. >> >>      > >>      > They have a detailed privacy policy here: >>      > >>      > https://automattic.com/privacy/ >>      > >>      > It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the >> most >>      > evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads on >> their >>      > site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not providing >> ads, >>      > just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. I've had my >>     Gravatar set >>      > up for ages including for some addresses that only Wordpress >>     knows and >>      > I've never gotten any unexpected spam to those addresses. >>      > >>      > I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker pix >>     instead >>      > but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to do. >>      > >>      > R's, >>      > John >>      > >> >>     --     108attendees mailing list >>     108attendees@ietf.org >>     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >> >> > -- Standard Robert Moskowitz Owner HTT Consulting C:248-219-2059 F:248-968-2824 E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit --------------C87000DD70641AE8369AFF97 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No comments about meeting rooms too cold.  Or wifi in rooms awful.

I mean there has to be SOMETHING to talk about around the cookie table.

Since '07?  Just shows that my attention is on other matters...

On 7/27/20 5:57 PM, Henk Birkholz wrote:
Isn't "attendees" already an alias for "bike-shed"?

Sorry :-) To be totally honest here, I am not unhappy to see at least one lengthy, curious thread on the 108attendees list! Makes this IETF experience feel a little bit closer to... the real thing - as long as we are civil and we think of Dijkstra if the discussion becomes too circular.

Cheers,

Henk

On 27.07.20 23:45, Bret Jordan wrote:
Whether people opt to have a Gravatar or not is about as relevant to the IETF as if you drink Non-fat, 1%, 2%, 3%, Half-Half, for Full Cream milk or if you are against people drinking milk all together. Or better yet, if the toilet paper roll should roll forward or backward.  Gravatar has been around for a very long time, since early 2007. If you are just finding out about it now, then, well, sorry.  But it has been around for a long time. A lot of services and sites on the internet use it, it is a great idea. If you do not want one, then do not get one. Simple. But it is nice to have a single place to update your "avatar" and have it work in a lot of places.

We should really have a list called bike-shed@ietf.org <mailto:bike-shed@ietf.org> so all of these discussions and debates can be moved there.

Bret

Sent from my TI-99/4A
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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:37 PM Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com <mailto:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>> wrote:



    On 7/27/20 4:36 PM, John Levine wrote:
     > In article
    <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com
    <mailto:0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com>>
    you write:
     >> Exactly my concern.
     >>
     >> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one?
     > A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by Automattic
     > which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why you need a
     > Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress.
    I am not aware of any business reason for me to get a Wordpress account.

    Ergo I will not have a gravatar.

    Simple.

    Others will undoubtedly have a different calculus.

     >
     > They have a detailed privacy policy here:
     >
     > https://automattic.com/privacy/
     >
     > It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the most
     > evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads on their
     > site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not providing ads,
     > just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. I've had my
    Gravatar set
     > up for ages including for some addresses that only Wordpress
    knows and
     > I've never gotten any unexpected spam to those addresses.
     >
     > I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker pix
    instead
     > but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to do.
     >
     > R's,
     > John
     >

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    108attendees@ietf.org <mailto:108attendees@ietf.org>
    https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees




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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 7/27/2020 3:07 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2020-07-27, at 23:36, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> I am not aware of any business reason for me to get a Wordpress account. >> >> Ergo I will not have a gravatar. > I think you are saying people recognizing your face is not a business reason. > > It sure was for me when I got my Wordpress account just for that one reason in 2008. > > (I think we are really debating how wise it was for the meetecho people to use Gravatar for this function. I personally think it was brilliant, because it gave them a useful feature for very low effort [gravatar libraries abound]. But, unless you know about automattic [sic], it does trigger our paranoia reflexes; it was interesting to see the lynching mob in this thread. And the process for getting a gravatar set up really is near-ridiculous, but then $0 is really cheap…) Nice words you are choosing, Carsten. After the master/slave discussion, we now see the "lynching mobs"... -- Christian Huitema --------------BCEA32D1E97FDFB5C27E9DE7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


On 7/27/2020 3:07 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
On 2020-07-27, at 23:36, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote:
I am not aware of any business reason for me to get a Wordpress account.

Ergo I will not have a gravatar.
I think you are saying people recognizing your face is not a business reason.

It sure was for me when I got my Wordpress account just for that one reason in 2008.

(I think we are really debating how wise it was for the meetecho people to use Gravatar for this function.  I personally think it was brilliant, because it gave them a useful feature for very low effort [gravatar libraries abound].  But, unless you know about automattic [sic], it does trigger our paranoia reflexes; it was interesting to see the lynching mob in this thread.  And the process for getting a gravatar set up really is near-ridiculous, but then $0 is really cheap…)

Nice words you are choosing, Carsten. After the master/slave discussion, we now see the "lynching mobs"...

-- Christian Huitema

--------------BCEA32D1E97FDFB5C27E9DE7-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 17:17:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F3F3A07E2 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:17:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ch_dHu3vbkfS for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 936343A07E0 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k0DIf-0004dh-Bp; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:16:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:16:51 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Bret Jordan , John Levine cc: martin.h.duke@gmail.com, 108attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <3065DE6AD2B436820EEDA67E@PSB> In-Reply-To: <0169E443-86DF-4AEF-9B1A-8B17E7B70416@gmail.com> References: <20200727183047.442A01D8EC2F@ary.qy> <0169E443-86DF-4AEF-9B1A-8B17E7B70416@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Fwd: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 00:17:02 -0000 --On Monday, July 27, 2020 13:03 -0600 Bret Jordan wrote: > It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the > "hum" could be done in much easier ways using electronic > means. > > Some legacy things that were done before better alternatives, > just just go away. And some legacy things need more thought than this seems to have gotten in switching from one type of environment to another. Three examples come to mind from today's experiences: (1) One of the problems with a complex hum sequence even when most or all people are in the same room is keeping track about what is being hummed about. A hum frame that doesn't identify the subject of the hum just doesn't cut it and, even when it is over-long (with or without Jeopardy music) [1] can be confusing enough to make interpretation of the results dubious. (2) If I'm chairing a WG or otherwise leading a hum in a f2f environment, I can look at the room and form a judgment of how many people are humming, how many are staring at their screens and doing email, and how many are sitting there with either blank or hostile looks on their faces. That is important information. I have to wonder whether that simple five-point scale would change significantly if it were somehow rated by the number of people who bother to respond. (3) The two "hum softly" and "hum loudly" choices make sense for a question similar to "do you support..." or, better, "how much do you like...", with essentially three choices --loud, soft, or silent [2]. If does not make sense for an "agree or disagree" question. For those, we may use two hums in a f2f meeting, but, as suggested above, when used f2f, there is much more information present. For an online situation, the choices really need to be agree strongly agree indifferent or neutral disagree disagree strongly maybe that means whomever is initiating the hum should have a choice between a two-point scale (soft vs loud) versus a five-point one (see above), but that obviously makes things more complicated. best, john [1] During the test session I participated in, people had a good deal of trouble navigating the new Meetecho UI and, especially for those who were trying to watch the Jabber discussion in the Meetecho window (and hence not seeing either the Participant/Queue/Speaker pane or the hum one very often), navigating the UI took several extra seconds. So, maybe, at least for them (including me during the test session but, having learned my lesson (again) not today), that long period is not actually excessive. What it does imply is another reason why some sort of yes-maybe-no hum, or the suggestion above, is important: one 35 second hum may be tolerable, while two or three to get a simple "in favor/ opposed" response is much less so. [2] Noting the difficulty of telling "deliberately silent" from "indifferent" and from "tuned out". From nobody Mon Jul 27 17:28:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64793A085D for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:28:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=GvunLuzB; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=johnlevine.com header.b=NQQ+l6I5 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ai8d3TvQzD1Y for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECBD43A08E4 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23762 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2020 00:28:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=5ccd.5f1f7118.k2007; bh=z2ktEeeMjrHy8pouvDDgulnudYZsJpkKXY/dB72i3sI=; b=GvunLuzBK/xtmsdkGq0r9avCMDbIBlDnXwwNnjOwR8m9MUJhFr/ChWHJHVRGuqbrCa3ncujLaX65OaRY9cv9/hSBE8xH3GLzF60cGVxi/NC1WgFbMoWSN1Gk8u1odnzwJth0UxNAsoPWPUVEcyNmDmBml/lQ5lp5FdXMeD2dsA4gqJ1Dh3SAKuRjg/ihHGZMdoV93c0YlaCClBwTcucTcBIUp/l5CiZZYFOHNuMvrG466EwRcFXkfU/qoUC12ItZ DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=johnlevine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=5ccd.5f1f7118.k2007; bh=z2ktEeeMjrHy8pouvDDgulnudYZsJpkKXY/dB72i3sI=; b=NQQ+l6I5+QhTXnAoTygN/9kXODjXw64HAptjAEmG/QUCfU4cL5kKlK2PD+Z847kQollUAdn2ixeCG7tdixHnb+nZG8qsSio48rcLx0CDfGInESIBHSVwXnALme4BteVByJveKDHbsAk4QRvTiNlLxt4DgD8T0fhsBapmcWXgNHBqbt+/aMTwmY1/GPhWJh/JFhEgTrC8bUEmuMTWHS7dLDoTmv6ClG7NcICbojGhFLqWI1bPvNSnPKrSI23QhGO4 Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 28 Jul 2020 00:28:08 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9D1071D93105; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: 27 Jul 2020 20:28:07 -0400 Message-Id: <20200728002807.9D1071D93105@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: 108attendees@ietf.org Cc: john-ietf@jck.com In-Reply-To: <7F856E693FC721068D11CBC9@PSB> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 00:28:20 -0000 In article <7F856E693FC721068D11CBC9@PSB> you write: >backward in UI quality. Given all of that, getting these >pictures/avatars up was a justified expenditure of programming >time and energy because? Or, to put it more closely in terms of >your comment, if this wasn't worth doing right (by pulling >pictures from the Datatracker), why was it worth doing at all? I can't speak for Meetecho but my guess is that a) adding the code to fetch gravatar pictures is extremely simple and probably took about five minutes to add, and 2) we are not Meetecho's only user and even within the IETF I wouldn't count on more people having Datatracker pix than gravatars. I don't recall whether the gravatar pictures were there in Singapore. Quite possibly they were and nobody noticed. R's, John From nobody Mon Jul 27 17:29:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E04E3A082F for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j-XdxJgGy58w for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C987C3A0824 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.42.101] (p5089ae91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BFyGQ5xMczyNF; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 02:29:02 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 02:29:02 +0200 Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 617588942.211991-a44fe3ea529cbc95bb935cb4513ae98f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200727203610.C12881D8F976@ary.qy> <4b4ee2bb-c9ed-bb64-6a63-d8c55148430c@labs.htt-consult.com> <3930B250-E3CB-4679-8B12-595CE1566721@tzi.org> To: Christian Huitema X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 00:29:08 -0000 On 2020-07-28, at 01:49, Christian Huitema wrote: >=20 > Nice words you are choosing, Carsten. After the master/slave = discussion, we now see the "lynching mobs"... As I said, we northern Germans have a slightly more robust relationship = to language [1]. I apologize for translating one-to-one. (The dictionaries I use are actually completely mute about racial = lynching. I=E2=80=99m saying this not trying to justify my transgression there =E2=80= =94 I should have known better =E2=80=94, but to support the point that = we foreign speakers need more support in handling the issue. Off-topic = for this thread, though.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten [1]: Oxford German Dictionary: lynchen | =CB=88l=CA=8Fn=C3=A7n=CC=A3 |=20 transitive verb=20 lynch (humorous) Lynch kill From nobody Mon Jul 27 18:45:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141DE3A0AA0 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:45:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VGEW-KLiI0KV; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jays-mbp.localdomain (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 648673A0AA1; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Daley Message-Id: <659EAAD4-7DDF-441D-8D28-DD7DB6A49319@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7C4BA566-CF2A-4A63-8E95-EFB7CE5A7513" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:45:12 +1200 In-Reply-To: <7F856E693FC721068D11CBC9@PSB> Cc: John Levine , 108attendees@ietf.org, rgm@labs.htt-consult.com To: John C Klensin References: <20200727203610.C12881D8F976@ary.qy> <7F856E693FC721068D11CBC9@PSB> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:45:18 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7C4BA566-CF2A-4A63-8E95-EFB7CE5A7513 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 28/07/2020, at 10:02 AM, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > --On Monday, July 27, 2020 16:36 -0400 John Levine > > wrote: >=20 >> In article >> <0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com> >> you write: >>> Exactly my concern. >>>=20 >>> I don't HAVE a Wordpress account; why do I need one? >>=20 >> A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by >> Automattic which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's why >> you need a Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress. >>=20 >> They have a detailed privacy policy here: >>=20 >> https://automattic.com/privacy/ >>=20 >> It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, the >> most evil thing they do is use your profile info to target ads >> on their site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar since it's not >> providing ads, just mapping hashes of addresses to pictures. >> I've had my Gravatar set up for ages including for some >> addresses that only Wordpress knows and I've never gotten any >> unexpected spam to those addresses. >>=20 >> I suspect it wouldn't be terribly hard to use the Datatracker >> pix instead but I'd put it pretty low on the list of things to >> do. >=20 > While I share Christian's and Bob's concerns --and your > explanation makes me feel only slightly better-- your last > comment seems key to me. A very large number of changes were > made to Meetecho since we last used it for IETF 106 in November. > I inferred from comments made during one of the "test sessions" > that most were made at the behest of IETF leadership and staff. >> =46rom my perspective, at least some of those changes (including > the apparent need to queue separately to send audio and video > that was noticed in a couple of sessions today) were steps > backward in UI quality. Given all of that, getting these > pictures/avatars up was a justified expenditure of programming > time and energy because? Or, to put it more closely in terms of > your comment, if this wasn't worth doing right (by pulling > pictures from the Datatracker), why was it worth doing at all? I=E2=80=99m happy to dispel the rumour that the IETF leadership (a = nebulously imprecise term if ever there was one) micro-managed Meetecho = down to the level of designing the UI - we didn=E2=80=99t. Jay >=20 > john >=20 > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees = --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_7C4BA566-CF2A-4A63-8E95-EFB7CE5A7513 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On 28/07/2020, at 10:02 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> = wrote:



--On Monday, July 27, 2020 16:36 = -0400 John Levine
<ietf@johnlevine.com> wrote:

In article
<0bca5ca1-1f1e-f13c-f64b-7f9787be6271@labs.htt-consult.com&g= t;
you write:
Exactly my concern.

I don't HAVE = a Wordpress account; why do I need one?

A few seconds of clicking reveals that Gravatar is run by
Automattic which is better known as Wordpress.com. That's = why
you need a Wordpress account, it *is* Wordpress.

They have a detailed privacy policy here:

https://automattic.com/privacy/

It's pretty reasonable, no sale of info to third parties, = the
most evil thing they do is use your profile info to = target ads
on their site, which doesn't apply to Gravatar = since it's not
providing ads, just mapping hashes of = addresses to pictures.
I've had my Gravatar set up for = ages including for some
addresses that only Wordpress = knows and I've never gotten any
unexpected spam to those = addresses.

I suspect it wouldn't be = terribly hard to use the Datatracker
pix instead but I'd = put it pretty low on the list of things to
do.

While I share Christian's and Bob's concerns --and = your
explanation = makes me feel only slightly better-- your last
comment seems key to me.  A = very large number of changes were
made to Meetecho since we last used it for IETF 106 in = November.
I inferred = from comments made during one of the "test sessions"
that most were made at the = behest of IETF leadership and staff.
=46rom my perspective, at least some = of those changes (including
the apparent need to queue = separately to send audio and video
that was noticed in a couple of sessions today) were = steps
backward in = UI quality.  Given all of that, getting these
pictures/avatars up was a = justified expenditure of programming
time and energy because?  Or, to put it more closely in = terms of
your comment, = if this wasn't worth doing right (by pulling
pictures from the Datatracker), = why was it worth doing at all?

I=E2=80=99m happy to dispel the rumour that the = IETF leadership (a nebulously imprecise term if ever there was one) = micro-managed Meetecho down to the level of designing the UI - we = didn=E2=80=99t.

Jay


-- 
Jay Daley
IETF = Executive Director
jay@ietf.org

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I think there are some legitimate privacy concerns and I wish Meetecho had chosen a different source for the photos, but I'll take a pass on signing up and not worry about people who do. We don't *need* photos of ourselves for Meetecho. This is, though, a mildly interesting example in the context of service centralization. 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([2600:380:4a14:dd76:99b5:152a:a1eb:e6e3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 17sm16642013pfv.16.2020.07.27.18.53.30 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B7C9A411-04DF-496F-ACC3-1A620683E5BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bret Jordan Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:53:29 -0600 Message-Id: References: <3065DE6AD2B436820EEDA67E@PSB> Cc: John Levine , martin.h.duke@gmail.com, 108attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3065DE6AD2B436820EEDA67E@PSB> To: John C Klensin X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Fwd: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:53:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail-B7C9A411-04DF-496F-ACC3-1A620683E5BD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is voting no mater what we call it. Just give people a really thing to cl= ick. Bret=20 Sent from my Commodore 64 PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 > On Jul 27, 2020, at 6:16 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 > --On Monday, July 27, 2020 13:03 -0600 Bret Jordan > wrote: >=20 >> It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the >> "hum" could be done in much easier ways using electronic >> means. =20 >>=20 >> Some legacy things that were done before better alternatives, >> just just go away.=20 >=20 > And some legacy things need more thought than this seems to have > gotten in switching from one type of environment to another. > Three examples come to mind from today's experiences: >=20 > (1) One of the problems with a complex hum sequence even when > most or all people are in the same room is keeping track about > what is being hummed about. A hum frame that doesn't identify > the subject of the hum just doesn't cut it and, even when it is > over-long (with or without Jeopardy music) [1] can be confusing > enough to make interpretation of the results dubious. >=20 > (2) If I'm chairing a WG or otherwise leading a hum in a f2f > environment, I can look at the room and form a judgment of how > many people are humming, how many are staring at their screens > and doing email, and how many are sitting there with either > blank or hostile looks on their faces. That is important > information. I have to wonder whether that simple five-point > scale would change significantly if it were somehow rated by the > number of people who bother to respond. =20 >=20 > (3) The two "hum softly" and "hum loudly" choices make sense for > a question similar to "do you support..." or, better, "how much > do you like...", with essentially three choices --loud, soft, or > silent [2]. If does not make sense for an "agree or disagree" > question. For those, we may use two hums in a f2f meeting, but, > as suggested above, when used f2f, there is much more > information present. For an online situation, the choices > really need to be=20 > agree strongly > agree > indifferent or neutral > disagree > disagree strongly > maybe that means whomever is initiating the hum should have a > choice between a two-point scale (soft vs loud) versus a > five-point one (see above), but that obviously makes things more > complicated. >=20 > best, > john >=20 >=20 > [1] During the test session I participated in, people had a good > deal of trouble navigating the new Meetecho UI and, especially > for those who were trying to watch the Jabber discussion in the > Meetecho window (and hence not seeing either the > Participant/Queue/Speaker pane or the hum one very often), > navigating the UI took several extra seconds. So, maybe, at > least for them (including me during the test session but, having > learned my lesson (again) not today), that long period is not > actually excessive. What it does imply is another reason why > some sort of yes-maybe-no hum, or the suggestion above, is > important: one 35 second hum may be tolerable, while two or > three to get a simple "in favor/ opposed" response is much less > so. >=20 > [2] Noting the difficulty of telling "deliberately silent" from > "indifferent" and from "tuned out". --Apple-Mail-B7C9A411-04DF-496F-ACC3-1A620683E5BD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is voting no mater what we call it. Just= give people a really thing to click.

Bret 

<= div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my Commodore 64

PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447  F2= C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050

=
On Jul 27, 2020, at 6:16 PM, John C Klensin <jo= hn-ietf@jck.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

--On Mo= nday, July 27, 2020 13:03 -0600 Bret Jordan
<jordan2175@g= mail.com> wrote:

It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the
"hum" could be done in much easier way= s using electronic
me= ans.   

Some legacy things that= were done before better alternatives,
just just go away.
And some legacy things need more thought than this seems to have

gotten in switching from one type of environment to another.
Three examples come to mind from today's experiences:
(1) One of the problems with a complex hum sequence= even when
most or all people are in the same room is keepin= g track about
what is being hummed about.  A hum frame t= hat doesn't identify
the subject of the hum just doesn't cut= it and, even when it is
over-long (with or without Jeopardy= music) [1] can be confusing
enough to make interpretation o= f the results dubious.

(2) If I'm chairing a= WG or otherwise leading a hum in a f2f
environment, I can l= ook at the room and form a judgment of how
many people are h= umming, how many are staring at their screens
and doing emai= l, and how many are sitting there with either
blank or hosti= le looks on their faces.  That is important
information= .  I have to wonder whether that simple five-point
scal= e would change significantly if it were somehow rated by the
number of people who bother to respond.  


<= span>(3) The two "hum softly" and "hum loudly" choices make sense for=
a question similar to "do you support..." or, better, "how much
do you like...", with essentially three choices --loud, soft, o= r
silent [2].   If does not make sense for an "agr= ee or disagree"
question.  For those, we may use two hu= ms in a f2f meeting, but,
as suggested above, when used f2f,= there is much more
information present.  For an online= situation, the choices
really need to be
&= nbsp; agree strongly
  agree
  indifferent or neutral

  disagree
  disagree strongly
maybe that mea= ns whomever is initiating the hum should have a
choice betwe= en a two-point scale (soft vs loud) versus a
five-point one (= see above), but that obviously makes things more
complicated= .

best,
   = john


[1] During the test s= ession I participated in, people had a good
deal of trouble n= avigating the new Meetecho UI and, especially
for those who w= ere trying to watch the Jabber discussion in the
Meetecho wi= ndow (and hence not seeing either the
Participant/Queue/Spea= ker pane or the hum one very often),
navigating the UI took s= everal extra seconds.  So, maybe, at
least for them (in= cluding me during the test session but, having
learned my le= sson (again) not today), that long period is not
actually ex= cessive.   What it does imply is another reason why
some sort of yes-maybe-no hum, or the suggestion above, is

important: one 35 second hum may be tolerable, while two or
three to get a simple "in favor/ opposed" response is much less
<= span>so.

[2] Noting the difficulty of telli= ng "deliberately silent" from
"indifferent" and from "tuned o= ut".
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As should anyone= who is confused about this. The chairs call consensus. If they are treating= humming like a vote, they are doing it wrong. This is fairly common, so I d= on=E2=80=99t blame you for being confused.=20 > On Jul 27, 2020, at 21:53, Bret Jordan wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFIt is voting no mater what we call it. Just give people a really t= hing to click. >=20 > Bret=20 >=20 > Sent from my Commodore 64 >=20 > PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 >=20 >>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 6:16 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >>>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >>=20 >> --On Monday, July 27, 2020 13:03 -0600 Bret Jordan >> wrote: >>=20 >>> It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the >>> "hum" could be done in much easier ways using electronic >>> means. =20 >>>=20 >>> Some legacy things that were done before better alternatives, >>> just just go away.=20 >>=20 >> And some legacy things need more thought than this seems to have >> gotten in switching from one type of environment to another. >> Three examples come to mind from today's experiences: >>=20 >> (1) One of the problems with a complex hum sequence even when >> most or all people are in the same room is keeping track about >> what is being hummed about. A hum frame that doesn't identify >> the subject of the hum just doesn't cut it and, even when it is >> over-long (with or without Jeopardy music) [1] can be confusing >> enough to make interpretation of the results dubious. >>=20 >> (2) If I'm chairing a WG or otherwise leading a hum in a f2f >> environment, I can look at the room and form a judgment of how >> many people are humming, how many are staring at their screens >> and doing email, and how many are sitting there with either >> blank or hostile looks on their faces. That is important >> information.. I have to wonder whether that simple five-point >> scale would change significantly if it were somehow rated by the >> number of people who bother to respond. =20 >>=20 >> (3) The two "hum softly" and "hum loudly" choices make sense for >> a question similar to "do you support..." or, better, "how much >> do you like...", with essentially three choices --loud, soft, or >> silent [2]. If does not make sense for an "agree or disagree" >> question. For those, we may use two hums in a f2f meeting, but, >> as suggested above, when used f2f, there is much more >> information present. For an online situation, the choices >> really need to be=20 >> agree strongly >> agree >> indifferent or neutral >> disagree >> disagree strongly >> maybe that means whomever is initiating the hum should have a >> choice between a two-point scale (soft vs loud) versus a >> five-point one (see above), but that obviously makes things more >> complicated.. >>=20 >> best, >> john >>=20 >>=20 >> [1] During the test session I participated in, people had a good >> deal of trouble navigating the new Meetecho UI and, especially >> for those who were trying to watch the Jabber discussion in the >> Meetecho window (and hence not seeing either the >> Participant/Queue/Speaker pane or the hum one very often), >> navigating the UI took several extra seconds. So, maybe, at >> least for them (including me during the test session but, having >> learned my lesson (again) not today), that long period is not >> actually excessive. What it does imply is another reason why >> some sort of yes-maybe-no hum, or the suggestion above, is >> important: one 35 second hum may be tolerable, while two or >> three to get a simple "in favor/ opposed" response is much less >> so. >>=20 >> [2] Noting the difficulty of telling "deliberately silent" from >> "indifferent" and from "tuned out". > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --Apple-Mail-EFDF29EC-6B0B-4602-818A-04325504BB1D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You should really read&nbs= p;https://tools.ietf.org/htm= l/rfc7282. As should anyone who is confused about this. The chairs call c= onsensus. If they are treating humming like a vote, they are doing it wrong.= This is fairly common, so I don=E2=80=99t blame you for being confused.&nbs= p;

On Jul 27, 2020, at 2= 1:53, Bret Jordan <jordan2175@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFIt is voting no mater w= hat we call it. Just give people a really thing to click.

Bret 

Sent from my Commodore 64

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On Jul 27, 2020, at 6:16 PM, J= ohn C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

--On Monday, July 27, 2020 13:03 -0600 Bret Jordan
<jordan2175@gmail.com> wrote:


It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of t= he
"hum" could be don= e in much easier ways using electronic
means.   

Som= e legacy things that were done before better alternatives,
just just go away.

And some legacy things need more thought than th= is seems to have
gotten in switching from one type of enviro= nment to another.
Three examples come to mind from today's e= xperiences:

(1) One of the problems with a c= omplex hum sequence even when
most or all people are in the s= ame room is keeping track about
what is being hummed about. &= nbsp;A hum frame that doesn't identify
the subject of the hu= m just doesn't cut it and, even when it is
over-long (with o= r without Jeopardy music) [1] can be confusing
enough to mak= e interpretation of the results dubious.

(2= ) If I'm chairing a WG or otherwise leading a hum in a f2f
e= nvironment, I can look at the room and form a judgment of how
many people are humming, how many are staring at their screens
<= span>and doing email, and how many are sitting there with either
<= span>blank or hostile looks on their faces.  That is importantinformation..  I have to wonder whether that simple five-point<= /span>
scale would change significantly if it were somehow rated by= the
number of people who bother to respond.  
(3) The two "hum softly" and "hum loudly" choices m= ake sense for
a question similar to "do you support..." or, b= etter, "how much
do you like...", with essentially three cho= ices --loud, soft, or
silent [2].   If does not ma= ke sense for an "agree or disagree"
question.  For thos= e, we may use two hums in a f2f meeting, but,
as suggested a= bove, when used f2f, there is much more
information present.=  For an online situation, the choices
really need to b= e
  agree strongly
  = agree
  indifferent or neutral
&= nbsp; disagree
  disagree stronglymaybe that means whomever is initiating the hum should have a<= br>choice between a two-point scale (soft vs loud) versus a
= five-point one (see above), but that obviously makes things more
complicated..

best,
   john



[1] During the test session I participated in, people had a good
deal of trouble navigating the new Meetecho UI and, especially=
for those who were trying to watch the Jabber discussion in the
Meetecho window (and hence not seeing either the
Participant/Queue/Speaker pane or the hum one very often),

navigating the UI took several extra seconds.  So, maybe, atleast for them (including me during the test session but, having
learned my lesson (again) not today), that long period is not
actually excessive.   What it does imply is another= reason why
some sort of yes-maybe-no hum, or the suggestion= above, is
important: one 35 second hum may be tolerable, wh= ile two or
three to get a simple "in favor/ opposed" respons= e is much less
so.

[2] Noti= ng the difficulty of telling "deliberately silent" from
"ind= ifferent" and from "tuned out".
-- <= /span>
108attendees mailing list
108attendees@ietf.= org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees
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I personally think it was brilliant,= because it gave them a useful feature for very low effort [gravatar libr= aries abound]. But, unless you know about automattic [sic], it does trig= ger our paranoia reflexes; it was interesting to see the lynching mob in = this thread. And the process for getting a gravatar set up really is nea= r-ridiculous, but then $0 is really cheap=E2=80=A6) I understand the push to add features and use free services. I come from a different angle, that free services have a hidden cost in terms of privacy. That's why I asked the question about the Gravatar business model. From a high altitude observer, adding a Gravatar icon to a blog or a web site has lots in common with the buttons or icons placed by Google, Facebook, Twitter and others. These buttons allow third parties to track who is using what site at what time, i.e., Internet Surveillance= =2E I read John's message stating that this is a benign service from Wordpress, a byproduct of their need to identify posters of comments on their blogging service. That may well be, but this is still a third party tracker. There is nothing that technically prevent Wordpress to change the terms and monetize the data in the future. Let's hope that Meetecho may be able to react quickly in that case. On the other hand, avatars do have a privacy advantage over actual pictures. They cannot be used to train a face recognition database. -- Christian Huitema From nobody Mon Jul 27 19:22:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA463A0AE4 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=dn1TC4Ws; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=johnlevine.com header.b=WU/rujk5 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8-uUCuGN9BXH for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 014253A0ADF for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 46950 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2020 02:22:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=b764.5f1f8bf3.k2007; bh=S8jDUL5DLQRmF0DA3teXdFvvHv+FXLwUvcuEby4M53o=; b=dn1TC4Ws3obkeWWBqKwatqD7kEo84QNV571Mp/xfaa4/rtbT5rBVs1I/BpiewcgBCUNWcpVXbPE9vByzx7tLiOG++JUnwAyxJed4zVSQoowmcZv3kSF2AIknzCKdYoamaqaLYoWFPb4qswLMaic3I+VM/Y7pXoe1fQhABKnD8RSza6TJtw6U4QeVQEmCPqItxjD+2/dC4sXhdHCv4QmdZmY5iFYHyuv04ozuY6wY6doh9ZE0P3Wsc05Kc7Owmq12 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=johnlevine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=b764.5f1f8bf3.k2007; bh=S8jDUL5DLQRmF0DA3teXdFvvHv+FXLwUvcuEby4M53o=; b=WU/rujk51FOn+lkvuLu/FmE0PCyuxgSdGalQNcjzYo3zgWCL27OQD2cYt9vbDBykqKmbgHD5Ld7wDckm9aGj2ocfNMq0zY9wann4RE7DUpHQNASYD86xwTBUs6t8R5WkdKl4+0fwnhvpCAwGfce7B25Oj3Yq12W3E0aaKzvSXL/qvHqvJcckzHCndDZm4YMy5fquBycEeBgSBvdOnvmPo6N2lrWZFZx09OnAsrJLWKY6wKbxf76XOSpYXmfzcEg0 Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 28 Jul 2020 02:22:43 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1C67D1D93E0A; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 22:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: 27 Jul 2020 22:22:43 -0400 Message-Id: <20200728022243.1C67D1D93E0A@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: 108attendees@ietf.org Cc: huitema@huitema.net In-Reply-To: <69dbc66f-2c41-2b0f-c15a-7c361f591244@huitema.net> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 02:22:47 -0000 In article <69dbc66f-2c41-2b0f-c15a-7c361f591244@huitema.net> you write: >I read John's message stating that this is a benign service from >Wordpress, a byproduct of their need to identify posters of comments on >their blogging service. That may well be, but this is still a third >party tracker. There is nothing that technically prevent Wordpress to >change the terms and monetize the data in the future. Let's hope that >Meetecho may be able to react quickly in that case. Given that Gravatar has been around for 13 years and is doing exactly the same thing now that it was 13 years ago, and that Automattic has an obvious motivation to maintain it and not alienate their paying Wordpress users, I'm not too worried about it. They never "need" avatars to identify posters, the pix are tied to the e-mail addresses that are part of the user's identity. >On the other hand, avatars do have a privacy advantage over actual >pictures. They cannot be used to train a face recognition database. Gravatar allows you to upload whatever you want. They're lousy for training because they're quite small. R's, John From nobody Mon Jul 27 20:23:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11173A0B2C for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.847 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r_ItkK9YUlYs for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ej1-x636.google.com (mail-ej1-x636.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::636]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53BC73A0B3E for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x636.google.com with SMTP id f14so3295437ejb.2 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:23:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=r7wXcu4StAhco/r/lkn7Fxq97DJOwe1+RwKiha1o1Gs=; b=nSY1PprGxoHZqiPoCpHwqveXsnJnlzSe+XK4lJ0q9fYXUsNR6sqmImVt1tst8LNfGh dSRypF379vsF44EqYtiVohRH0zY1zXow5oPoiJJBjvUi/bS6b/SizerBNvf6VGzFc2/o TNKGY+3GWxcGJnVldqnjI9Q8TbbN9JOFAqJ1IgfP9/sJM64EZoKQ2CiHMtJTihxIHAza gy65ROu+q4/8IIQv2UYKfV8fM9lzep5b4zu5xHzY+wfW1TyjmBHNf0pt0KD2OKwODhTJ Sei2k+aukWWswTADndt41bjyLLkRcrpOiLfnVCZM4rB3UQwwWYB+16QrbL9WkpWy9t/Y +1WQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=r7wXcu4StAhco/r/lkn7Fxq97DJOwe1+RwKiha1o1Gs=; b=jki5wlezpDG5vB9pgimlbkh7hX+vDQP0R4h3L7W7v/qy3niR7dhIjGSh8etIY+4dS4 Ha48qxc9nv5S0pCakLC683JqnzK+dMVYdGKlF/pgpZ0TVgXW1XpB6Lm5pDb4vjy0dAzZ aePVJtrpLNB+FQIaPalXOIt30t4J/czc00aODgIxDOm6hjoMXOUAfp3pJpKwf0DOYgrH UYOt7ta1AQ1zdsyP0cSOejX/WXz25F63+Rux/Bq6qLUrrP/jNxdJ4naYp+RdfGaK5uEc NlRnKfXQdNVRvNqWBAHONI1FYUO9rvkFbV1LPGxT8xc/5NFojHIiYTdqRGcvJWtR/bAp l8EA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532zhVPifTYpRA4IBr7tgG1ymOOxpzFKF14BNUOB3eIXNveJioRZ K+APw4U6B4qD9736idNrIrfyr3Cwx9oZBtGoKHg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxSKJRU0i2TZpWfSuxO91ZqZOqo83OCEYxBAdyfEJjVy+7lbrTQIu6qengi3r7lBZBlWPl7GVKhdhdoqavsctY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:cc4a:: with SMTP id mm10mr21460354ejb.451.1595906605691; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 20:23:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Bret Jordan Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 21:23:14 -0600 Message-ID: To: Ted Lemon Cc: John C Klensin , John Levine , martin.h.duke@gmail.com, 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000053b61805ab77f67b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Fwd: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 03:23:30 -0000 --00000000000053b61805ab77f67b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have yet to see a WG meeting that hasn't used the hum like a vote. We just need to accept the fact that the hum is a pseudo anonymous voting mechanism. Yes we want to believe we are not voting, but in reality we are. Sorry. Maybe you do not see it, because you want it to be something it is not. Bret Sent from my TI-99/4A PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 7:57 PM Ted Lemon wrote: > You should really read https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282. As should > anyone who is confused about this. The chairs call consensus. If they are > treating humming like a vote, they are doing it wrong. This is fairly > common, so I don=E2=80=99t blame you for being confused. > > On Jul 27, 2020, at 21:53, Bret Jordan wrote: > > =EF=BB=BFIt is voting no mater what we call it. Just give people a really= thing to > click. > > Bret > > Sent from my Commodore 64 > > PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 > > On Jul 27, 2020, at 6:16 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > > --On Monday, July 27, 2020 13:03 -0600 Bret Jordan > wrote: > > It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the > > "hum" could be done in much easier ways using electronic > > means. > > > Some legacy things that were done before better alternatives, > > just just go away. > > > And some legacy things need more thought than this seems to have > gotten in switching from one type of environment to another. > Three examples come to mind from today's experiences: > > (1) One of the problems with a complex hum sequence even when > most or all people are in the same room is keeping track about > what is being hummed about. A hum frame that doesn't identify > the subject of the hum just doesn't cut it and, even when it is > over-long (with or without Jeopardy music) [1] can be confusing > enough to make interpretation of the results dubious. > > (2) If I'm chairing a WG or otherwise leading a hum in a f2f > environment, I can look at the room and form a judgment of how > many people are humming, how many are staring at their screens > and doing email, and how many are sitting there with either > blank or hostile looks on their faces. That is important > information.. I have to wonder whether that simple five-point > scale would change significantly if it were somehow rated by the > number of people who bother to respond. > > (3) The two "hum softly" and "hum loudly" choices make sense for > a question similar to "do you support..." or, better, "how much > do you like...", with essentially three choices --loud, soft, or > silent [2]. If does not make sense for an "agree or disagree" > question. For those, we may use two hums in a f2f meeting, but, > as suggested above, when used f2f, there is much more > information present. For an online situation, the choices > really need to be > agree strongly > agree > indifferent or neutral > disagree > disagree strongly > maybe that means whomever is initiating the hum should have a > choice between a two-point scale (soft vs loud) versus a > five-point one (see above), but that obviously makes things more > complicated.. > > best, > john > > > [1] During the test session I participated in, people had a good > deal of trouble navigating the new Meetecho UI and, especially > for those who were trying to watch the Jabber discussion in the > Meetecho window (and hence not seeing either the > Participant/Queue/Speaker pane or the hum one very often), > navigating the UI took several extra seconds. So, maybe, at > least for them (including me during the test session but, having > learned my lesson (again) not today), that long period is not > actually excessive. What it does imply is another reason why > some sort of yes-maybe-no hum, or the suggestion above, is > important: one 35 second hum may be tolerable, while two or > three to get a simple "in favor/ opposed" response is much less > so. > > [2] Noting the difficulty of telling "deliberately silent" from > "indifferent" and from "tuned out". > > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > > --00000000000053b61805ab77f67b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have yet to see a WG meeting that hasn't used the hu= m like a vote.=C2=A0 We just need to accept the fact that the hum is a pseu= do anonymous=C2=A0voting mechanism. Yes we want to believe we are not votin= g, but in reality we are. Sorry. Maybe you do not see it, because you want = it to be something it is not.=C2=A0

Bret


Sent from my TI-99/4A
PGP Fingerprint:=C2=A063B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 =C2=A0F2C0 74F8 ACAE=C2=A07415 0050

=

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 7:57 PM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
You should = really read=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282. As should anyone who is co= nfused about this. The chairs call consensus. If they are treating humming = like a vote, they are doing it wrong. This is fairly common, so I don=E2=80= =99t blame you for being confused.=C2=A0

On Jul 27, 2020, at 21:53, Bret Jordan <jordan2175@gmail.com> wr= ote:

= =EF=BB=BFIt is voting no mater what we call it. Just give people a really t= hing to click.

Bret=C2=A0

Sent f= rom my Commodore 64

PGP Finge= rprint:=C2=A063B4 FC53= 680A 6B7D 1447 =C2=A0F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050

On Jul 27, 2020, at 6:16= PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

<= span>--On Monday, July 27, 2020 13:03 -0600 Bret Jordan
<= ;jordan2175@gmail= .com> wrote:

It seems like the pseudo anonymous voting aspect of the
"hum" could be done in mu= ch easier ways using electronic
means. =C2=A0=C2=A0

Some le= gacy things that were done before better alternatives,
just just go away.

And some legacy things need more thought than thi= s seems to have
gotten in switching from one type of enviro= nment to another.
Three examples come to mind from today= 9;s experiences:

(1) One of the problems w= ith a complex hum sequence even when
most or all people are= in the same room is keeping track about
what is being humm= ed about.=C2=A0 A hum frame that doesn't identify
the s= ubject of the hum just doesn't cut it and, even when it is
over-long (with or without Jeopardy music) [1] can be confusing<= br>enough to make interpretation of the results dubious.

(2) If I'm chairing a WG or otherwise leading a hu= m in a f2f
environment, I can look at the room and form a j= udgment of how
many people are humming, how many are starin= g at their screens
and doing email, and how many are sittin= g there with either
blank or hostile looks on their faces.= =C2=A0 That is important
information..=C2=A0 I have to wond= er whether that simple five-point
scale would change signif= icantly if it were somehow rated by the
number of people wh= o bother to respond. =C2=A0

(3) The two &q= uot;hum softly" and "hum loudly" choices make sense for
a question similar to "do you support..." or, better,= "how much
do you like...", with essentially thre= e choices --loud, soft, or
silent [2]. =C2=A0=C2=A0If does = not make sense for an "agree or disagree"
questio= n.=C2=A0 For those, we may use two hums in a f2f meeting, but,
as suggested above, when used f2f, there is much more

i= nformation present.=C2=A0 For an online situation, the choices
really need to be
=C2=A0=C2=A0agree strongly =C2=A0=C2=A0agree
=C2=A0=C2=A0indifferent or neut= ral
=C2=A0=C2=A0disagree
=C2=A0=C2=A0disa= gree strongly
maybe that means whomever is initiating the h= um should have a
choice between a two-point scale (soft vs = loud) versus a
five-point one (see above), but that obvious= ly makes things more
complicated..
<= br>best,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0john


[1] During the test session I participated in= , people had a good
deal of trouble navigating the new Meet= echo UI and, especially
for those who were trying to watch = the Jabber discussion in the
Meetecho window (and hence not= seeing either the
Participant/Queue/Speaker pane or the hu= m one very often),
navigating the UI took several extra sec= onds.=C2=A0 So, maybe, at
least for them (including me duri= ng the test session but, having
learned my lesson (again) n= ot today), that long period is not
actually excessive. =C2= =A0=C2=A0What it does imply is another reason why
some sort= of yes-maybe-no hum, or the suggestion above, is
important= : one 35 second hum may be tolerable, while two or
three to= get a simple "in favor/ opposed" response is much lessso.

[2] Noting the difficulty of te= lling "deliberately silent" from
"indifferen= t" and from "tuned out".
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Yes we want to believe we are not voting, > but in reality we are. Sorry. Maybe you do not see it, because you > want it to be something it is not. > I have yet to see a WG meeting that /has/ used the hum like a vote. Part of the idea of humming is that a simple majority is completely insufficient to justify a decision, and there's no specific threshold for doing so.   Another part of the idea of humming is that each participant can hum at a different volume level according to his or her level support for the question, so that strongly held opinions can carry more weight than weakly held opinions. Both of these are useful properties for a group that makes decisions by rough consensus.   For instance, humming isn't as vulnerable as voting to tyranny of the majority.  Of course a hum isn't by itself a determination of rough consensus, but it can be a useful way of determining whether rough consensus is near or distant. 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On 7/27/20 11:23 PM, Bret Jordan wrote:
I have yet to see a WG meeting that hasn't used the hum like a vote.  We just need to accept the fact that the hum is a pseudo anonymous voting mechanism. Yes we want to believe we are not voting, but in reality we are. Sorry. Maybe you do not see it, because you want it to be something it is not. 

I have yet to see a WG meeting that has used the hum like a vote.

Part of the idea of humming is that a simple majority is completely insufficient to justify a decision, and there's no specific threshold for doing so.   Another part of the idea of humming is that each participant can hum at a different volume level according to his or her level support for the question, so that strongly held opinions can carry more weight than weakly held opinions.

Both of these are useful properties for a group that makes decisions by rough consensus.   For instance, humming isn't as vulnerable as voting to tyranny of the majority.  Of course a hum isn't by itself a determination of rough consensus, but it can be a useful way of determining whether rough consensus is near or distant.

Keith


--------------28D33D83E4CC5C6C4CA5E216-- From nobody Tue Jul 28 00:22:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE36C3A0D36 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 00:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uf-KiStuT4XH for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 00:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prometheus.amsuess.com (prometheus.amsuess.com [5.9.147.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CCBF3A0D32 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 00:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:a800:ff:fede:b1bd]) by prometheus.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04E424074C for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:22:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:a800:ff:fede:b1bf]) by poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9A0AB for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:22:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hephaistos.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:f052:8475:a7a8:f363]) by poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1594180 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:22:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 2263762 invoked by uid 1000); Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:22:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:22:40 +0200 From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ams=FCss?= To: 108attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20200728072240.GC2152913@hephaistos.amsuess.com> References: <7F856E693FC721068D11CBC9@PSB> <20200728002807.9D1071D93105@ary.qy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Pk6IbRAofICFmK5e" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200728002807.9D1071D93105@ary.qy> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:22:49 -0000 --Pk6IbRAofICFmK5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:28:07PM -0400, John Levine wrote: > even within the IETF I wouldn't count on more people having > Datatracker pix than gravatars. This doesn't need to be an either-or situation. I can't speak from practicial experience, but from what I can tell from using libravatar, this should be straightforward to implement by * Running a libravatar server for IETF (several implementations available) * Exporting the datatracker profile pictures into the libravatar server * Enabling fallback to gravatar in the server * On the Meetecho side, all that'd be needed is a way for an organization to set its own gravatar-compatible avatar endpoint ([1] is what it took to do the same at redmine) Sounds like a "good first issue" to get started at a code sprint. Possibly, some of the remaining infrastructure might even want to use this for profile pictures -- which would give people without profile pictures their Gravatars where present, and allow them to configure profile images in their own domains as well. 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<3930B250-E3CB-4679-8B12-595CE1566721@tzi.org> <69dbc66f-2c41-2b0f-c15a-7c361f591244@huitema.net> From: Frode Kileng Message-ID: <3d9e4a03-e0b5-9074-1e0f-c0825d10e4f6@tele.no> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:48:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <69dbc66f-2c41-2b0f-c15a-7c361f591244@huitema.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:48:44 -0000 On 28/07/2020 04:13, Christian Huitema wrote: > > ... adding a Gravatar icon to a blog > or a web site has lots in common with the buttons or icons placed by > Google, Facebook, Twitter and others. These buttons allow third parties > to track who is using what site at what time, i.e., Internet Surveillance. Yes, and is exactly why EFF's Privacy Badger categorize this as a "tracker" and blocks it by default. frodek From nobody Tue Jul 28 01:27:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD1B3A0881; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id la7q9x-ve_Tv; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jays-mbp.localdomain (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B64C23A0870; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 01:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Jay Daley In-Reply-To: <6248ABDD-2F63-4BE4-B83E-968DA7599607@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:27:53 +1200 Cc: Greg Wood , "108attendees@ietf.org" <108attendees@ietf.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <536F1CA7-5CD0-40D1-900E-CE43C1D765C3@ietf.org> References: <6D3FD532-D62F-4DE6-B242-CC888BED37C8@ietf.org> <6248ABDD-2F63-4BE4-B83E-968DA7599607@ericsson.com> To: Francesca Palombini X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] [108all] IETF 108 Online Day 2 Update X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:27:58 -0000 Francesca > On 28/07/2020, at 7:35 PM, Francesca Palombini = wrote: >=20 > Hi Greg, >=20 > Trying to access gather town this morning, but I am getting the = following message: >=20 > "This is a email-whitelist protected space on Gather. >=20 > The email account you're signed in with, [my email], is not in the = whitelist. If this is not the right email, sign out here: >=20 > Sign Out > Otherwise, contact the event administrator to be added to the = whitelist." >=20 > Is this a planned update that has to do with datatracker login? When = can we expect to be able to access it again? I=E2=80=99ve just checked and the gather.town space is working as = expected. =46rom today authentication is required, which will happen = via your datatracker login using OpenID Connect and the same email = address that you used for meeting registration. If you still have a = problem then please raise a ticket with tickets@meeting.ietf.org Jay --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org From nobody Tue Jul 28 02:32:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B323A09D7; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 02:32:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TuabG5I4JEMp; 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Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42D4A623C5; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:55:53 -0400 (EDT) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Christian_Ams=c3=bcss?= , 108attendees@ietf.org References: <7F856E693FC721068D11CBC9@PSB> <20200728002807.9D1071D93105@ary.qy> <20200728072240.GC2152913@hephaistos.amsuess.com> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:55:42 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200728072240.GC2152913@hephaistos.amsuess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 10:56:06 -0000 On 7/28/20 3:22 AM, Christian Amsss wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:28:07PM -0400, John Levine wrote: >> even within the IETF I wouldn't count on more people having >> Datatracker pix than gravatars. > This doesn't need to be an either-or situation. > > I can't speak from practicial experience, but from what I can tell from > using libravatar, this should be straightforward to implement by > > * Running a libravatar server for IETF (several implementations > available) > * Exporting the datatracker profile pictures into the libravatar server > * Enabling fallback to gravatar in the server > * On the Meetecho side, all that'd be needed is a way for an > organization to set its own gravatar-compatible avatar endpoint > ([1] is what it took to do the same at redmine) > > Sounds like a "good first issue" to get started at a code sprint. > > Possibly, some of the remaining infrastructure might even want to use > this for profile pictures -- which would give people without profile > pictures their Gravatars where present, and allow them to configure > profile images in their own domains as well. > > Kind regards > Christian > > [1]: https://www.redmine.org/attachments/22943/avatar_service_url_configuration-v4.patch I would like to see some stats about how many attendees have pics pulled from gravatar. For the sessions that I have been in, it looks like only a few images are shown in the list of participants. It might also be interesting to see the stats broken out by area. From nobody Tue Jul 28 06:42:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2653A0C4F for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:41:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BJRjHXZH5533 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp82.ord1d.emailsrvr.com (smtp82.ord1d.emailsrvr.com [184.106.54.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED30F3A0C49 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Auth-ID: fluffy@iii.ca Received: by smtp3.relay.ord1d.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fluffy-AT-iii.ca) with ESMTPSA id ED7476007C; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) From: Cullen Jennings In-Reply-To: <3ff06f08-1d0e-170e-09af-03392a838e3b@nomountain.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:41:56 -0600 Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04C29E68-7846-49EB-85F7-F5D90A7CB96B@iii.ca> References: <20200728002807.9D1071D93105@ary.qy> <3ff06f08-1d0e-170e-09af-03392a838e3b@nomountain.net> To: Melinda Shore X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Classification-ID: 54469e2b-7906-4c65-9f28-6939276ee969-1-1 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:42:00 -0000 If meetecho was open source, I would submit a PR to use WebFinger (RFC = 7033) to get my avatar. That was one of the key uses cases for = WebFinger.=20 > On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Melinda Shore = wrote: >=20 > On 7/27/20 4:28 PM, John Levine wrote: >> I can't speak for Meetecho but my guess is that a) adding the code to >> fetch gravatar pictures is extremely simple and probably took about >> five minutes to add, >=20 > That's my guess as well. I think there are some legitimate > privacy concerns and I wish Meetecho had chosen a different > source for the photos, but I'll take a pass on signing up and not > worry about people who do. We don't *need* photos of ourselves > for Meetecho. >=20 > This is, though, a mildly interesting example in the context of > service centralization. >=20 > Melinda >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Melinda Shore > melinda.shore@nomountain.net >=20 > Software longa, hardware brevis >=20 > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees From nobody Tue Jul 28 07:03:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09BD3A0C81 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:03:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S0Ek8qxX5-kX for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 146173A0C82 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] ([31.19.102.33]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N4yqC-1kjhAq0xWu-010vBl for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:03:44 +0200 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: 108attendees@ietf.org Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:03:43 +0200 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:HHKVv9vUWsY/e0PE+839bhZf12PEeyxs/taNP4OeqrhbKGuRiol 4T51lmBQVr6u1zAZOwc8bWNMTXzPNtZHIDud+ewL598JX5sskjsOTMhgTNhcJkA9zYgRbML nPrO58dpIZDlVz/pc/a0gAIQGwH1t8s+omuLz5yOpmh+rrj0LWjglgZnE2h835HvNq6d6I8 hg7MPZdYCNu9eT6ngY7Nw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:cxOkTfAMyV0=:714RAmXcCwZ+IvLeyCvL5E EjgjkzXPkNPzN2cHtcCalFlfPOYQT8sT8EOQVWZU668sfQm9jZ5Nnau+/tx5fprKCWwszrMOv wCDuxHluSnMK+hVjWMeYIfVCvYtxkLh39s0iun96ZDQkTqo2QeZmhCyZPrQFhdkUuhWOOMu0E OZKkpHXoCNS+gqbefiSYglcZhUlrFgv1WWobyEOBAGmDgk46AdvzCAR66NbVxxdUVgIW8BzNr dBEeKdfSgbfmTJ4ZJT5NsK2jpPYOBt9TkLOlZyMz2t8jZMvoKMaodzRWhIo6VKb112zfK2llD QSqXI2jEBbSRoDdWM62YbtF0oPNEM6A1ZV252naZRpidcYZ5tEHegYKsAKNxgvYF+0jZ+EAYi cWd9ya1WpfucYnBnmj9je6hao4yy272rIDEQctDmerjsOVtfnO6/Bw7Q6A/ep4R+uo7jddYNT 5KC2iyYDmQeHxm7ALZEg5+m+YrxPyRwX3/jGavqjGMyHgSzQNcvrUpcJfA2EuHMUAcLP6fHaY HpZ+fMMyNgcEu+jgHQ96TI2c43WopB7mlsmi37ssk/xtUx3/aVZy91HRrnuSkEVKUhAVzRoTG JURIYyqceFnKIFHdJdX/fDr7f7+BZBE8jU9Z0Z3X50FWPIcgRHEW2GX3tRGa1oa3rf8iXWV+4 5mmW15grM6qi4sZkPHNv9nWWG2ucifyyu32tsuric7nKVUFXbzRbnrlvvfKrVu9Gm9bRsFesw SXq0k3u/vWsjfGCiKz7Iu9ItBG489/WYK6mRX1uDWY9wfeZKiZ5JWzOfno4cp6+OHERMywNxC oZqHcibqHpxybCsZwWtG1HqX8e5CuokCSw6AV75NLKvwn5sCcFfVrQU5EP9vsZpKOKoUQTD Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] MeetEcho feature request: show name of current speaker X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:03:48 -0000 Hi all, unless I'm missing something, MeetEcho does not show you who is currently speaking -- especially irritating when the participant is not sending video. You'd have to observe the queue to tell (or recognize the voice...). Can that be added? Thanks, Dirk From nobody Tue Jul 28 07:23:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FE43A0CD7 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:23:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=DoIsRnsC; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=johnlevine.com header.b=Ka+RXIYX Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZE8Hoo8prmNm for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C355A3A0CC0 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20810 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2020 14:23:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=5147.5f2034ef.k2007; bh=4UK9DdiOvL7C3+3Hgr1g3UzeQs0RB6QDHENL6/q9m00=; b=DoIsRnsCXr+IP3j7uwJvxUTqrZYthWBoXGlwNpoZZ3hctH3M3mqiTWC2r4Tyj0bJA8kCXa6i6MtIyw+9CsNLI6oYuoHZ/hmSyZ1o88DppuCK8lBvkZfRJoBmCs50ljUiWQQGarX84A+6IyiK//RJy03TIsVvnIrxSjH3XA4NwVXLx03N2OsctE4Y1/6S/JXTdeS06PGBLmY2OHB8fzZfcHjV0s7zxFpoOOhROp00IFSr8j6cdD5X8doXLkpZeCQv DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=johnlevine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=5147.5f2034ef.k2007; bh=4UK9DdiOvL7C3+3Hgr1g3UzeQs0RB6QDHENL6/q9m00=; b=Ka+RXIYXk/UKKFbYjhamNkThktROzefZYYtNizgFll9dMSKnb2UAfUkGQ0KYIC3MxW2j1FT45ddbEmTS0BO5OMOgEfKNJGzNhOIjq350aUMeSGss/1P8c/9NNnBMTngwnrzC52O/dMgNewgSLsrKFiYEDoxJo0xyWCiLaWBZQw9rQ9bsPIICMAL/ppcdqr6wo0J+7duLCFw6Zh60U8V78+/CcJ+dfeBQ408h4xaQ1bxXGhfju/FBsRCEcGKmwqRP Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 28 Jul 2020 14:23:43 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id CC3761D96A36; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 10:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: 28 Jul 2020 10:23:42 -0400 Message-Id: <20200728142342.CC3761D96A36@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: 108attendees@ietf.org Cc: fluffy@iii.ca In-Reply-To: <04C29E68-7846-49EB-85F7-F5D90A7CB96B@iii.ca> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:23:48 -0000 In article <04C29E68-7846-49EB-85F7-F5D90A7CB96B@iii.ca> you write: > >If meetecho was open source, I would submit a PR to use WebFinger (RFC 7033) to get my avatar. That was one of >the key uses cases for WebFinger. You can certainly suggest it to them, they've been very responsive. What webfinger servers would they use? The only keys they have are people's e-mail addresses. > >> On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: >> >> On 7/27/20 4:28 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> I can't speak for Meetecho but my guess is that a) adding the code to >>> fetch gravatar pictures is extremely simple and probably took about >>> five minutes to add, >> >> That's my guess as well. I think there are some legitimate >> privacy concerns and I wish Meetecho had chosen a different >> source for the photos, but I'll take a pass on signing up and not >> worry about people who do. We don't *need* photos of ourselves >> for Meetecho. From nobody Tue Jul 28 07:34:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E4B3A0CEA for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id trBZYDMzeiN4 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp68.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp68.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D917D3A0CD6 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:33:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Auth-ID: fluffy@iii.ca Received: by smtp25.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fluffy-AT-iii.ca) with ESMTPSA id 9B89F25374; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 10:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_39200215-72BE-4FD2-B71E-A8F71A2F0051" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) From: Cullen Jennings In-Reply-To: <20200728142342.CC3761D96A36@ary.qy> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:33:55 -0600 Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org Message-Id: <85158EF5-38E8-4F7E-B3BD-DC1717DB1553@iii.ca> References: <20200728142342.CC3761D96A36@ary.qy> To: John Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Classification-ID: 47bd8fd0-a906-453d-80ca-e60728a82086-1-1 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:33:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_39200215-72BE-4FD2-B71E-A8F71A2F0051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Jul 28, 2020, at 8:23 AM, John Levine wrote: >=20 > In article <04C29E68-7846-49EB-85F7-F5D90A7CB96B@iii.ca = > you write: >>=20 >> If meetecho was open source, I would submit a PR to use WebFinger = (RFC 7033) to get my avatar. That was one of >> the key uses cases for WebFinger.=20 >=20 > You can certainly suggest it to them, they've been very responsive. >=20 > What webfinger servers would they use? The only keys they have are = people's > e-mail addresses. >=20 If my email is im@fluffy.im, the point of webfinger is the lookup can be = delegated by fluffy.im so I can decide what servers I trust instead of = meet echo needing to decide for me.=20 --Apple-Mail=_39200215-72BE-4FD2-B71E-A8F71A2F0051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Jul 28, 2020, at 8:23 AM, John Levine <ietf@johnlevine.com>= wrote:

In article <04C29E68-7846-49EB-85F7-F5D90A7CB96B@iii.ca> you write:

If meetecho was open source, I would submit a PR to use = WebFinger (RFC 7033) to get my avatar. That was one of
the = key uses cases for WebFinger. 

You can certainly suggest it to them, they've been very = responsive.

What = webfinger servers would they use?  The only keys they have are = people's
e-mail = addresses.


If my email is im@fluffy.im, the point of webfinger is the lookup can be = delegated by fluffy.im so I can decide what servers I trust instead of = meet echo needing to decide for me. 


= --Apple-Mail=_39200215-72BE-4FD2-B71E-A8F71A2F0051-- From nobody Tue Jul 28 08:43:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968593A0DDD for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CZvjhhRPKZeK for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 699FE3A0DF7 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 46082 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2020 15:42:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=b3fe.5f20477b.k2007; i=johnl-iecc.com@submit.iecc.com; bh=ZPeDQKwejKk00effoNEKFvMsKxyFs7thBnXQP6bFsRE=; b=PNOV6A5tyQywsDtWmi7Ae/8XNudQJgUsauLOy3zipcjxryr2xT4qw7Tt7j5VOnTX3Y1ZpoAPz9GODwFeVP/ZjRwNeQCgQXsYFgZne9SvNRsxB1Spy3LZEw6PAuUhcvdofWVb0DjEp3GAjDQefdPlOVlwHkoCebKphYfkXNmLgRuBYw+5J55PBcv2r9Ml0bdNWRXs1COg4Pk4ta3mkaDFiag95CV6RHeub2uw4XtYvGPGvm/e03tpXOj0yiyGaQTP Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPSA (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD, johnl@iecc.com) via TCP6; 28 Jul 2020 15:42:50 -0000 Date: 28 Jul 2020 11:42:50 -0400 Message-ID: <23fbf2e-a716-398c-654-7185c4b06b3b@iecc.com> From: "John R. Levine" To: "Cullen Jennings" Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <85158EF5-38E8-4F7E-B3BD-DC1717DB1553@iii.ca> References: <20200728142342.CC3761D96A36@ary.qy> <85158EF5-38E8-4F7E-B3BD-DC1717DB1553@iii.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:43:03 -0000 On Tue, 28 Jul 2020, Cullen Jennings wrote: >>> If meetecho was open source, I would submit a PR to use WebFinger (RFC 7033) to get my avatar. That was one of >>> the key uses cases for WebFinger. ... >> What webfinger servers would they use? The only keys they have are people's >> e-mail addresses. > If my email is im@fluffy.im, the point of webfinger is the lookup can be delegated by fluffy.im so I can decide what servers I trust instead of meet echo needing to decide for me. So if I use Gmail or Yahoo or Comcast or Verizon or Outlook.com, I'm out of luck? Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Tue Jul 28 09:38:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267F93A0E5C for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:38:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKQt-oYpgFzS for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAEE03A0E27 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8269362470; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:38:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id r3COuAngHqxd; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 700E662415; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:37:56 -0400 (EDT) To: "John R. Levine" , Cullen Jennings Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org References: <20200728142342.CC3761D96A36@ary.qy> <85158EF5-38E8-4F7E-B3BD-DC1717DB1553@iii.ca> <23fbf2e-a716-398c-654-7185c4b06b3b@iecc.com> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <45e7ecb5-7224-fec3-3707-46ab1b88d88d@labs.htt-consult.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:37:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <23fbf2e-a716-398c-654-7185c4b06b3b@iecc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:38:05 -0000 On 7/28/20 11:42 AM, John R. Levine wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020, Cullen Jennings wrote: >>>> If meetecho was open source, I would submit a PR to use WebFinger >>>> (RFC 7033) to get my avatar. That was one of >>>> the key uses cases for WebFinger. ... > >>> What webfinger servers would they use? The only keys they have are >>> people's >>> e-mail addresses. >> If my email is im@fluffy.im, the point of webfinger is the lookup can >> be delegated by fluffy.im so I can decide what servers I trust >> instead of meet echo needing to decide for me. > > So if I use Gmail or Yahoo or Comcast or Verizon or Outlook.com, I'm > out of luck? Yep.  It would be a nice addition for some.  Datatracker profiles would pick up more, but I have not found how to add my pic to my profile... 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Levine" , Cullen Jennings , 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Meetecho participant pics X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:16:50 -0000 On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 12:38 PM Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Yep. It would be a nice addition for some. Datatracker profiles would > pick up more, but I have not found how to add my pic to my profile... "There are some exceptions, such as photos, which currently require an email to the Secretariat if you wish to update or remove the information." The linked address in the HTML is ietf-action@ietf.org not ietf-secretariat fwiw. -- tale From nobody Tue Jul 28 15:01:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B803A09E8 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ePblft6_5m_h for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from episteme.net (episteme.net [216.169.5.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCF9D3A09C7 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by episteme.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874ACB663EF1; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:00:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from episteme.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (episteme.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34QUgkhWGcCR; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:00:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [172.16.1.10] (episteme.net [216.169.5.102]) by episteme.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E3A35B663ED7; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:00:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Resnick" To: "Keith Moore" Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:59:55 -0500 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5699) Message-ID: <2A8BDF30-BF3C-401A-A025-9C266154E609@episteme.net> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:01:05 -0000 On 27 Jul 2020, at 22:48, Keith Moore wrote: > On 7/27/20 11:23 PM, Bret Jordan wrote: >> I have yet to see a WG meeting that hasn't used the hum like a vote. You have obviously never been to a meeting that I've chaired, Bret. >> We just need to accept the fact that the hum is a pseudo >> anonymous voting mechanism. Yes we want to believe we are not >> voting, but in reality we are. Sorry. Maybe you do not see it, >> because you want it to be something it is not. I think you may have had a very narrow experience of humming in the IETF. It does happen that it is used as anonymous voting (and that's part of what motivated me to start on RFC 7282), but it's certainly not universal, and I doubt that it is a majority of the time. In the 1990s, when I started attending IETFs, it was certainly not used as an anonymous vote. Post-2000, it definitely got much worse. I do think hums are still over-used, and sometimes ill-used, and that is why we've had WG Chair lunch sessions on exactly this topic. But I think your evaluation of it always being a pseudo vote is way off the mark. > I have yet to see a WG meeting that /has/ used the hum like a vote. Well, that's surprising as well. I have seen hums used as more-or-less anonymous votes, where the louder hum was taken as the outcome, even with a small but significant number of people humming against. But I've seen lots of instances of hums being used well, and it seems to have improved since 7282 was published. > Part of the idea of humming is that a simple majority is completely > insufficient to justify a decision, and there's no specific threshold > for doing so.   Another part of the idea of humming is that each > participant can hum at a different volume level according to his or > her level support for the question, so that strongly held opinions can > carry more weight than weakly held opinions. > > Both of these are useful properties for a group that makes decisions > by rough consensus.   For instance, humming isn't as vulnerable as > voting to tyranny of the majority.  Of course a hum isn't by itself a > determination of rough consensus, but it can be a useful way of > determining whether rough consensus is near or distant. Totally agreed on the above. Bret, my apologies for being immodest, but I really do think you should take Ted's advice and read RFC 7282. It might not represent the WGs you've attended (and I'd be interested to hear offline which WGs those were), but I do think that many IETF chairs and participants believe it's a good guide. pr -- Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best From nobody Tue Jul 28 15:17:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8E13A07F0 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:17:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KOLckufOZt2u for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B5D73A07E8 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.116] (p5089ae91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BGWHp4WSMzyZp; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:17:10 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <2A8BDF30-BF3C-401A-A025-9C266154E609@episteme.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:17:10 +0200 Cc: Keith Moore , 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 617667429.702585-31ad720dfe6380d00355c1ed0887e3ba Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2A8BDF30-BF3C-401A-A025-9C266154E609@episteme.net> To: Pete Resnick X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:17:17 -0000 On 2020-07-28, at 23:59, Pete Resnick wrote: >=20 > WGs Hums are not just used in WG meetings. BOFs and BOF-like WGs (dispatch) have rather different kinds of hums = (which occasionally happen in normal WGs as well when the issue at hand = is whether some work should be undertaken). I don=E2=80=99t understand why we don=E2=80=99t take these different use = cases of hums and take each to the digital world, instead of a single = skeuomorphic tool that doesn=E2=80=99t quite capture most of these use = cases and takes too long even for those where it does. (OK, we got what must have been the first =E2=80=9Cfortissimo=E2=80=9D = hum in a meetecho BOF today, and we managed to not use the tool where it = wasn=E2=80=99t appropriate. I could say that the tool has been *very* = good to me today, so I=E2=80=99m not making the point very forcefully, = but it is still the right thing to do.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Jul 28 17:15:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E203A0CA0 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:15:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y2fnO5UohmSF for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D50963A0C94 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k0Zkl-0008rG-63; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:15:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:15:20 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Dirk Kutscher , 108attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <728A6F4E62C096CCB1EEF316@PSB> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] MeetEcho feature request: show name of current speaker X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:15:32 -0000 --On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 16:03 +0200 Dirk Kutscher wrote: > Hi all, > > unless I'm missing something, MeetEcho does not show you who > is currently speaking -- especially irritating when the > participant is not sending video. > > You'd have to observe the queue to tell (or recognize the > voice...). > > Can that be added? This is a feature that seems to have gone away from earlier versions of Meetecho. If the person is actually speaking and showing themselves on video, the name shows up with the picture. To the extent to which we have people who raise points or ask questions without sending video --something the test sessions last week strongly encouraged-- then I agree that it is a fairly serious deficiency. john From nobody Wed Jul 29 05:12:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A2F3A0A09 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:12:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.073 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.073 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DEAR_SOMETHING=1.973, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4diK_jvRdY5v for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 615293A09F1 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml732-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 07D0ACE887BE30AB4B47 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:12:35 +0100 (IST) Received: from nkgeml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.158) by lhreml732-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.83) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:12:34 +0100 Received: from nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.160) by nkgeml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.158) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 20:12:32 +0800 Received: from nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.160]) by nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.160]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 20:12:32 +0800 From: Dangjuanna To: "108attendees@ietf.org" <108attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: =?Windows-1252?Q?Kindly_invite_you_to_join_=93Future_Internet_Protocol_Ev?= =?Windows-1252?Q?olution_(FIPE)=94_side_meeting_in_IETF_108_scheduled_for?= =?Windows-1252?Q?_Friday,_31_July_at_16:00~17:30_(UTC)_on_line?= Thread-Index: AdZloYYbah9RHDEMSQ2XTPyX9zWRlA== Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:12:32 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.235.250] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_c2e957002e0043348e56e885942d82f6huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] =?windows-1252?q?Kindly_invite_you_to_join_=93Fut?= =?windows-1252?q?ure_Internet_Protocol_Evolution_=28FIPE=29=94_side_meeti?= =?windows-1252?q?ng_in_IETF_108_scheduled_for_Friday=2C_31_July_at_16=3A0?= =?windows-1252?q?0=7E17=3A30_=28UTC=29_on_line?= X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:12:39 -0000 --_000_c2e957002e0043348e56e885942d82f6huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear sir/madam: I would like to let the issue of FIPE side meeting spread across IETF 108, = but I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to send it to this mailing list. = Please forgive me if I disturb you or cause you any inconvenience. It=92s our great honor to invite you to join =93Future Internet Protocol Ev= olution (FIPE)=94 side meeting in IETF 108 scheduled for Friday, 31 July at= 16:00~17:30 (UTC) on line. The goal of this unofficial side meeting is to make progress on defining re= search challenges and problems related to Future Internet Protocol Evolutio= n (FIPE) that are not already better covered by other IRTF RG. The primary = agenda is like below: Part 1: Deployment incentives, interworking, and gateways between networks = with different addressing semantics Speaker: Daniel King (25 mins), Lancaster University Stewart Bryant (20 mins), University of Surrey & Futurewei Part 2: E2E high-precision on latency assurance and multi-channel collabora= tion Speaker: Ning Wang (20 mins), University of Surrey Hemanth Kumar Ravuri (20 mins), Ghent University The latest information of the FIPE side meeting has been updated onto the g= ithub, including agenda, speakers, webex, etc. The link is : https://github= .com/FIPE-Study/IETF108-Side-Meeting-FIPE. We also have updated the information about FIPE side meeting into the IETF = 108 side meetings wiki page. The link is https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/me= eting/wiki/108sidemeetings. We welcome any proposals and discussions to that end, and should you have a= ny question, please feel free to inform me. Sincerely yours, Joanna --_000_c2e957002e0043348e56e885942d82f6huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear sir/madam:

 

I would like to let the issu= e of FIPE side meeting spread across IETF 108, but I'm not sure whether it'= s appropriate to send it to this mailing list. Please forgive me if I distu= rb you or cause you any inconvenience.

 

It=92s our great honor to invit= e you to join =93Future Internet Protocol Evolution (FIPE)=94 side meeting = in IETF 108 scheduled for Friday, 31 July at 16:00~17:30 (UTC) on line.

&n= bsp;

The goal of this unofficial side meeting is to make progress on = defining research challenges and problems related to Future Internet Protoc= ol Evolution (FIPE) that are not already better covered by other IRTF RG. The primary agenda is like below:

 

Part= 1: Deployment incentives, interworking, and gateways between networks with= different addressing semantics

Spea= ker: Daniel King (25 mins), Lancaster University

&nbs= p;             = Stewart Bryant (20 mins), University of Surrey & Futurewei

 

Part= 2: E2E high-precision on latency assurance and multi-channel collaboration=

Spea= ker: Ning Wang (20 mins), University of Surrey

&nbs= p;             = Hemanth Kumar Ravuri (20 mins), Ghent University

&n= bsp;

The latest information of the F= IPE side meeting has been updated onto the github, including agenda, speake= rs, webex, etc. The link is : https:/= /github.com/FIPE-Study/IETF108-Side-Meeting-FIPE.

We also have updated the inform= ation about FIPE side meeting into the IETF 108 side meetings wiki page. Th= e link is https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/108= sidemeetings.

&n= bsp;

We welcome any proposals and di= scussions to that end, and should you have any question, please feel free t= o inform me.

&n= bsp;

Sincerely yours,

Joanna

 

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It would be nice if there was a running volume thingy to s= how who is actually using the mike, but usually the list narrows it to 2 to m= aybe 5 people and that's enough to identify the speaker. -- Christian Huitema=20 > On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:15 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 > --On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 16:03 +0200 Dirk Kutscher > wrote: >=20 >> Hi all, >>=20 >> unless I'm missing something, MeetEcho does not show you who >> is currently speaking -- especially irritating when the >> participant is not sending video. >>=20 >> You'd have to observe the queue to tell (or recognize the >> voice...). >>=20 >> Can that be added? >=20 > This is a feature that seems to have gone away from earlier > versions of Meetecho. If the person is actually speaking and > showing themselves on video, the name shows up with the picture. > To the extent to which we have people who raise points or ask > questions without sending video --something the test sessions > last week strongly encouraged-- then I agree that it is a fairly > serious deficiency. >=20 > john >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees From nobody Wed Jul 29 06:32:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4983A0B18 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:32:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.053 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.053 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DEAR_SOMETHING=1.973, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IVBx16q9NJsj for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DBA63A0B19 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 06TDW368027095 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:32:04 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id E609E206EDE for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:32:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.12]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C47201AF3 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:32:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.8.35.150] (is154594.intra.cea.fr [10.8.35.150]) by muguet1-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 06TDW3kO030061 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:32:03 +0200 To: 108attendees@ietf.org References: From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: <74633271-628e-a415-b6b8-98c412ea61db@cea.fr> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:32:02 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms010800040800060200010709" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] =?utf-8?q?Kindly_invite_you_to_join_=E2=80=9CFutu?= =?utf-8?q?re_Internet_Protocol_Evolution_=28FIPE=29=E2=80=9D_side_meeting?= =?utf-8?q?_in_IETF_108_scheduled_for_Friday=2C_31_July_at_16=3A00=7E17=3A?= =?utf-8?q?30_=28UTC=29_on_line?= X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:32:11 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010800040800060200010709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -- Alexandre Petrescu alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223 Le 29/07/2020 =E0 14:12, Dangjuanna a =E9crit=A0: > Dear sir/madam: >=20 > _I would like to let the issue of FIPE side meeting spread across IETF = > 108, but I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to send it to this=20 > mailing list. Please forgive me if I disturb you or cause you any=20 > inconvenience._ >=20 > It=92s our great honor to invite you to join =93Future Internet Protoco= l=20 > Evolution (FIPE)=94 side meeting in IETF 108 scheduled for Friday, 31 J= uly=20 > at 16:00~17:30 (UTC) on line. >=20 > The goal of this unofficial side meeting is to make progress on definin= g=20 > research challenges and problems related to Future Internet Protocol=20 > Evolution (FIPE) that are not already better covered by other IRTF RG. = > The primary agenda is like below: >=20 > Part 1: Deployment incentives, interworking, and gateways between=20 > networks with different addressing semantics >=20 > Speaker: Daniel King (25 mins), Lancaster University >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stewart Bryant (20 mins), Univ= ersity of Surrey & Futurewei >=20 > Part 2: E2E high-precision on latency assurance and multi-channel=20 > collaboration >=20 > Speaker: Ning Wang (20 mins), University of Surrey >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Hemanth Kumar Ravuri (20 mins)= , Ghent University >=20 > The latest information of the FIPE side meeting has been updated onto=20 > the github, including agenda, speakers, webex, etc. The link is :=20 > https://github.com/FIPE-Study/IETF108-Side-Meeting-FIPE. Thanks for the URL. I clicked on it, it works. But if I use my computer at home, connected on the IP of the future=20 (IPv6 only), then that github link will certainly not work. Alex >=20 > We also have updated the information about FIPE side meeting into the=20 > IETF 108 side meetings wiki page. 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On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:00 AM Tim C= hown <Tim.Chown=3D40jisc.= ac.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hi,

Other rooms have been up before the start, the plenary not?

https://mee= tings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf108/?group=3Dietf&short=3Dplenary&item= =3D1


I tried group=3Dplenary
I am= getting the same error message.

Behcet=C2=A0
Error is =E2=80=9CUnable to retrieve room=E2=80=99s information=E2=80=9D
Tim
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108attendees mailing list
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Be cautious of content] >=20 >=20 > The people icon under the microphones and camera icons gets you a list of= participants with people in queue on top and people with open mikes or ope= n cameras just below. It would be nice if there was a running volume thingy= to show who is actually using the mike, but usually the list narrows it to= 2 to maybe 5 people and that's enough to identify the speaker. Not being able to show participants (for this reason) along with chat simul= taneously is the second reason I've been running independent jabber. -- Jeff From nobody Wed Jul 29 07:04:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33A53A0B66 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:04:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=jisc.ac.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vyx_DPp_rdW2 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EUR04-VI1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr80050.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.8.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 834593A0B60 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:04:28 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=a9tl9LvgX6xrJMMbnG6RIXHTvNCS3AUw4DTjvRzrP2dLDrnfP55Kix3R9023Lntzpv7dG6tVrI8rpFtYHkLcgXx2qcK1hJ32S0SA0Sp2zHDOasN/BCQI2vvv8TVUziL0j+FSdy3M8yGx3d/hX8Xl/fkkK5gyeobaMg6o8Fwpb49J8USp1wjJ4qnGsWt8/pDd1/FAokMTk50R9FW3cgX5TFbSeynYeARpEKxcxxbtF41gFRKCkY/XKZrw9DEwkA/HQR6JhTMZJCqg5KoZmECaAMgXuQ07xSAnKjjyJtNeEn8YDeahZRy8k+2vovQ68PrJDrtDrtaWgWfwntbas9o5VA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=7vL5nc+hPXM2L5ey3fxy8UObm+eFkOQSWUzK5QEI2Pk=; b=H29HXlViOcfneJDTT7UPvZO+4fRMk1OgKMLtP3WV0bJAsZwnsH98fPqbpOBpRgFRbPzUT6OuMU/751h437cLpCMdrFpFJ2xSvACvG0mg4mxof3A+LaQYgwxOzfl2PZR+ey2lc6QBuE8oKNdksPMbgLaRnhZJXUn2Ba/Sd6U+UFtB69C7vububj/sbrF3e2x4xtHUv8DMLyK0ZIMHho4DRRFPnLpGIsz2mY9CEmIKW6ikQFcHRWzOq4KhG1A58dGV2kfrDntYHMg4ZGqcupTWI3Oa8AB39Va2oU9W2a0RZjSpRlpVqmNEwoBqU9v5Apj2pBmEhEAMvBK4HQ0TWTqLCA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=jisc.ac.uk; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=jisc.ac.uk; dkim=pass header.d=jisc.ac.uk; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jisc.ac.uk; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=7vL5nc+hPXM2L5ey3fxy8UObm+eFkOQSWUzK5QEI2Pk=; b=GwfMRoS9fTFkoQLAi9rr/K74MhYiexsqz38aLHN7/fYZwP48WInvG+TOp0KvRib5irEQp5vI+qABlbXsQqM6SLZ+l0yQUwuAlSjYC6M0mTw4RF1RoadB3HZrvPpjaj/v7AeFizeXkjvIqBT7XN5Mz00kP5sEXrke1ZX6mmJViJw= Received: from DB6PR07MB3224.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:6:21::19) by DB7PR07MB5210.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:10:6d::28) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3239.10; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:04:26 +0000 Received: from DB6PR07MB3224.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::f106:452:ce6:8a10]) by DB6PR07MB3224.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::f106:452:ce6:8a10%2]) with mapi id 15.20.3239.016; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:04:26 +0000 From: Tim Chown To: Tim Chown CC: "108attendees@ietf.org" <108attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [108attendees] Plenary meetecho link not working? 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X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:05:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_045A0C48-297B-4533-BFC9-701C6A04C6A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It=E2=80=99s working now - late change to support the many different = people that need special permissions. > On 30/07/2020, at 2:02 AM, Behcet Sarikaya = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:00 AM Tim Chown = > wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Other rooms have been up before the start, the plenary not? >=20 > = https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf108/?group=3Dietf&short=3Dplenary&i= tem=3D1 = >=20 >=20 > I tried group=3Dplenary > I am getting the same error message. >=20 > Behcet=20 > Error is =E2=80=9CUnable to retrieve room=E2=80=99s information=E2=80=9D= >=20 > Tim > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees = > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_045A0C48-297B-4533-BFC9-701C6A04C6A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 It=E2=80=99s working now - late change to support the many = different people that need special permissions.

On = 30/07/2020, at 2:02 AM, Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> wrote:



On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:00 AM Tim Chown = <Tim.Chown=3D40jisc.ac.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hi,

Other rooms have been up before the start, the plenary not?
=
https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf108/?group=3Dietf&sh= ort=3Dplenary&item=3D1


I tried group=3Dplenary
I am getting the = same error message.

Behcet 
Error is =E2=80=9CUnable to retrieve room=E2=80=99s information=E2=80=9D
Tim
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X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:07:20 -0000 VGhlIG11c2FrIGlz4oCmIGludGVyZXN0aW5nIC4uIGFuZCBzb21lb25lIGlzIHBsYXlpbmcgZHJ1 bXMgb24gdGhlaXIga2V5Ym9hcmQgaW4gdGhlIGJhY2tncm91bmTigKYgOikNCg0KPiBPbiAyOSBK dWwgMjAyMCwgYXQgMTU6MDQsIEpheSBEYWxleSA8amF5QGlldGYub3JnPiB3cm90ZToNCj4gDQo+ IEl04oCZcyB3b3JraW5nIG5vdyAtIGxhdGUgY2hhbmdlIHRvIHN1cHBvcnQgdGhlIG1hbnkgZGlm ZmVyZW50IHBlb3BsZSB0aGF0IG5lZWQgc3BlY2lhbCBwZXJtaXNzaW9ucy4NCj4gDQo+PiBPbiAz MC8wNy8yMDIwLCBhdCAyOjAyIEFNLCBCZWhjZXQgU2FyaWtheWEgPHNhcmlrYXlhMjAxMkBnbWFp bC5jb20+IHdyb3RlOg0KPj4gDQo+PiANCj4+IA0KPj4gT24gV2VkLCBKdWwgMjksIDIwMjAgYXQg OTowMCBBTSBUaW0gQ2hvd24gPFRpbS5DaG93bj00MGppc2MuYWMudWtAZG1hcmMuaWV0Zi5vcmc+ IHdyb3RlOg0KPj4gSGksDQo+PiANCj4+IE90aGVyIHJvb21zIGhhdmUgYmVlbiB1cCBiZWZvcmUg dGhlIHN0YXJ0LCB0aGUgcGxlbmFyeSBub3Q/DQo+PiANCj4+IGh0dHBzOi8vbWVldGluZ3MuY29u Zi5tZWV0ZWNoby5jb20vaWV0ZjEwOC8/Z3JvdXA9aWV0ZiZzaG9ydD1wbGVuYXJ5Jml0ZW09MQ0K Pj4gDQo+PiANCj4+IEkgdHJpZWQgZ3JvdXA9cGxlbmFyeQ0KPj4gSSBhbSBnZXR0aW5nIHRoZSBz YW1lIGVycm9yIG1lc3NhZ2UuDQo+PiANCj4+IEJlaGNldCANCj4+IEVycm9yIGlzIOKAnFVuYWJs ZSB0byByZXRyaWV2ZSByb29t4oCZcyBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbuKAnQ0KPj4gDQo+PiBUaW0NCj4+IC0t IA0KPj4gMTA4YXR0ZW5kZWVzIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdA0KPj4gMTA4YXR0ZW5kZWVzQGlldGYub3Jn DQo+PiBodHRwczovL3d3dy5pZXRmLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvLzEwOGF0dGVuZGVlcw0K Pj4gLS0gDQo+PiAxMDhhdHRlbmRlZXMgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQo+PiAxMDhhdHRlbmRlZXNAaWV0 Zi5vcmcNCj4+IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vMTA4YXR0ZW5k ZWVzDQo+IA0KPiAtLSANCj4gSmF5IERhbGV5DQo+IElFVEYgRXhlY3V0aXZlIERpcmVjdG9yDQo+ IGpheUBpZXRmLm9yZw0KPiANCg0K From nobody Wed Jul 29 07:40:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64633A0B7D for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:40:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TshbQ5mFQosK for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FDFA3A0A9E for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0033928B003B; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8081F8051; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Sandra Murphy In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:40:04 -0400 Cc: Sandra Murphy , 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1654D585-E038-4DE8-88F8-0F0BED967D92@tislabs.com> References: To: Dirk Kutscher X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] MeetEcho feature request: show name of current speaker X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:40:12 -0000 oh, yes, please. You can monitor the mic queue, but then the person who speaks disappears = from the queue, so you must memorize the list . . . Even having the presenter=E2=80=99s name is useful, even if about a = draft - e.g. many authors. etc. =E2=80=94Sandy=20 > On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Dirk Kutscher = wrote: >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > unless I'm missing something, MeetEcho does not show you who is = currently speaking -- especially irritating when the participant is not = sending video. >=20 > You'd have to observe the queue to tell (or recognize the voice...). >=20 > Can that be added? >=20 > Thanks, > Dirk >=20 > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees From nobody Wed Jul 29 07:42:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E83C3A0BD4 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RhJjhf27ahPO for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC81D3A0BF6 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.116] (p5089ae91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BGx8q4Pnhzyv2; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:42:35 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <1654D585-E038-4DE8-88F8-0F0BED967D92@tislabs.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:42:35 +0200 Cc: Dirk Kutscher , 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 617726555.061945-08bde85b19561ea3578022ad9ecbe432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1654D585-E038-4DE8-88F8-0F0BED967D92@tislabs.com> To: Sandra Murphy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] MeetEcho feature request: show name of current speaker X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:42:48 -0000 On 2020-07-29, at 16:40, Sandra Murphy wrote: >=20 > Even having the presenter=E2=80=99s name is useful, even if about a = draft - e.g. many authors. It is going to be one of the people under =E2=80=9Csending media=E2=80=9D.= You just don=E2=80=99t know which one, and the badge may have vanished = by the time you look. See tools-discuss discussion. 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I must be doing something wrong, because when I try using the Gather link that I used last week, I now get the error message:    This is a email-whitelist protected space on Gather.    The email account you're signed in with, huitema@huitema.net, is not in the whitelist. 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I must be doing something wrong, because when I try using the Gather link that I used last week, I now get the error message:

   This is a email-whitelist protected space on Gather.

   The email account you're signed in with, huitema@huitema.net, is not in the whitelist. If this is not the right email, sign out here:

   Otherwise, contact the event administrator to be added to the whitelist.

What is the proper link?

-- Christian Huitema

--------------57F0FAF1C19756C6922994CA-- From nobody Wed Jul 29 08:45:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E503A0CD5 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ftYYPYWti1oE for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hans.rg.net (hans.rg.net [IPv6:2001:418:1::42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A393A0C8F for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hans.rg.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hans.rg.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 06TFj4jH023116 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:45:04 GMT (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Received: from localhost (llynch@localhost) by hans.rg.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 06TFj4UD023113; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:45:04 GMT (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:45:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Lucy Lynch X-X-Sender: llynch@hans.rg.net To: Christian Huitema cc: 108attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <51551e9d-14ce-03fe-d1d7-263e0805e8be@huitema.net> Message-ID: References: <51551e9d-14ce-03fe-d1d7-263e0805e8be@huitema.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6594769758306541994==" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Joining Gather.Town X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:45:21 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============6594769758306541994== Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 29 Jul 2020, Christian Huitema wrote: > I must be doing something wrong, because when I try using the Gather > link that I used last week, I now get the error message: > >    This is a email-whitelist protected space on Gather. > >    The email account you're signed in with, huitema@huitema.net, is not > in the whitelist. If this is not the right email, sign out here: > >    Sign Out > >    Otherwise, contact the event administrator to be added to the whitelist. > > What is the proper link? Login was added yesterday so the link updated to an ietf space. https://ietf.gather.town/z6N2SDxHebMdDAfo/IETF-108 > -- Christian Huitema > > --===============6594769758306541994== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: inline -- 108attendees mailing list 108attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --===============6594769758306541994==-- From nobody Wed Jul 29 08:45:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C8B3A0D0E for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yOZuRB8S5p3q for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B5D33A0CEF for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6222020AF; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ogddTRvDHYn8; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (c-73-71-162-89.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [73.71.162.89]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5FE8B2020AC; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Cindy Morgan In-Reply-To: <51551e9d-14ce-03fe-d1d7-263e0805e8be@huitema.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:45:08 -0700 Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <51551e9d-14ce-03fe-d1d7-263e0805e8be@huitema.net> To: Christian Huitema X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Joining Gather.Town X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:45:30 -0000 Please use: https://ietf.gather.town/z6N2SDxHebMdDAfo/IETF-108 Best regards, Cindy > On Jul 29, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Christian Huitema = wrote: >=20 > I must be doing something wrong, because when I try using the Gather = link that I used last week, I now get the error message: > This is a email-whitelist protected space on Gather. >=20 > The email account you're signed in with, huitema@huitema.net, is = not in the whitelist. If this is not the right email, sign out here: >=20 > Sign Out > Otherwise, contact the event administrator to be added to the = whitelist. >=20 > What is the proper link? >=20 > -- Christian Huitema > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees From nobody Wed Jul 29 11:46:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EAE3A0E21 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:46:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.63 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.63 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.267, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S9g_799jqk-K for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5D683A0E15 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 06TIk4aO079204; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 06TIk3R0079203; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202007291846.06TIk3R0079203@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: To: Carsten Bormann Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:46:03 -0700 (PDT) CC: Sandra Murphy , Dirk Kutscher , 108attendees@ietf.org Reply-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] MeetEcho feature request: show name of current speaker X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 18:46:12 -0000 > On 2020-07-29, at 16:40, Sandra Murphy wrote: > > > > Even having the presenter?s name is useful, even if about a draft - e.g. many authors. > > It is going to be one of the people under ?sending media?. > You just don?t know which one, and the badge may have vanished by the time you look. That does not work in all WG's as often the slides are shared by the chairs to minimize the number of people that have to be given access to the share video feature. The fact that media share != person speaking does occur. I mostly replied though to add my hummmm to the requst that indicators be added as to whom is speaking at a mic, most other shared presentation tools I have seen have this feature. > See tools-discuss discussion. > > Gr??e, Carsten -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From nobody Wed Jul 29 12:08:50 2020 Return-Path: <6.internet@gmail.com> X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4673A0E36 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R2esCoFq1Ej7 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ej1-x636.google.com (mail-ej1-x636.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::636]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E50213A0E34 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x636.google.com with SMTP id bo3so2831007ejb.11 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:08:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uvJUGO4O4/cdH2iSdfJ+xhx0T2B91DTH1cBPo4jNXR4=; b=XMzcpQy/5VlWFaGK9mdWzbuOidI/OrudsBgx2rdUjBryIedIV4xv1bGd+n15CM0Wfi LLo0saWBgHTbKkiIauY4QyXRKOSq1lRJ5ivX+1hSheYncIpIfxab2WB8RrqUuwdyODIC 6z1ZDQf1333mRY9zyB2GSodYC0s/zN8OU2+6VjRtuDymVpb/kVozsgDPHdbLG8JsIqsD Liti91ays5dBbXxCgI37uwwycLCWhyN+/kMNCFSS60IefKx+wcAOgEgDcXEHUKwIDQtF JLIbDaNpCUh5LvRmt/ugD3nz+3sc0BiJ6uubGZ5v7QdkyBr9De0xMeyB7IypW3fzHNjJ MKtg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uvJUGO4O4/cdH2iSdfJ+xhx0T2B91DTH1cBPo4jNXR4=; b=aEiod/UfxPqR05Xj/1hAtx1Jrq0ljBgKsYipveHgtOt5AgfJ6ELggtNVdWc/qmJ9Gt e3Vd+5jZb+K60CEABDi1boH7vMDjWEEfduF9b/eIDIFYEipdu+Uvk0jvsuw0+S4YSljx gTb4jkOfOwqojox5tmt8wpvRTpnIf9vv2a2tZS2WZEztAYUTbLcDtSfhaHdZVNfRHqe/ Gs/t5e1kxx3tBu+GpRk2hEXaDk6GJH5uIvdxTAWD04DvhMxq486BkuLHcgwGIJMYq7Qm /tmOmLothXpDfGHpVH6+jachIY0Plbe094WhqxXnTslidKGvgU3UztZjxVYQZHJLugrP T5og== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533zmDLyXhJyGWJMSi/3VIYK1IdIWoaPOQQFZU/JV1pTKIeHRZDS +HZBm2XTDMHZreZ1cM4LUHBL4bPW0Ql6Em1WQ2s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwDIzJVLgmZkNmgPXtWbTg6R+yPAhy2q2KFBKETIQWHZ0oLa4zOlYSaQw11kOA1GCppAEXNs4G/eyHEo0Z03sk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:a94b:: with SMTP id hh11mr16365531ejb.104.1596049724288; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:08:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202007291846.06TIk3R0079203@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <202007291846.06TIk3R0079203@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 00:38:31 +0530 Message-ID: To: rgrimes@freebsd.org Cc: Carsten Bormann , 108attendees@ietf.org, Dirk Kutscher , Sandra Murphy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dc344805ab9948e1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] MeetEcho feature request: show name of current speaker X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 19:08:49 -0000 --000000000000dc344805ab9948e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Till such time as Meeteco looks at the feature request and introduces the feature, the Room Coordinators / Volunteers of the meeting could mention the name of the Speaker in the Chat once or twice. That might help. Sivasubramanian M 6.Internet@gmail.com twitter.com/shivaindia On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 12:16 AM Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > On 2020-07-29, at 16:40, Sandra Murphy wrote: > > > > > > Even having the presenter?s name is useful, even if about a draft - > e.g. many authors. > > > > It is going to be one of the people under ?sending media?. > > You just don?t know which one, and the badge may have vanished by the > time you look. > > That does not work in all WG's as often the slides are shared by the > chairs to minimize the number of people that have to be given access > to the share video feature. The fact that media share != person > speaking does occur. > > I mostly replied though to add my hummmm to the requst that indicators > be added as to whom is speaking at a mic, most other shared presentation > tools I have seen have this feature. > > > See tools-discuss discussion. > > > > Gr??e, Carsten > -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > --000000000000dc344805ab9948e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Till such time as Meeteco looks at the feature request and= introduces the feature, the Room Coordinators / Volunteers of the meeting = could mention the name of the Speaker in the Chat once or twice. That might= help.


On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 12:16 AM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> w= rote:
> On 20= 20-07-29, at 16:40, Sandra Murphy <sandy@tislabs.com> wrote:
> >
> > Even having the presenter?s name is useful, even if about a draft= - e.g. many authors.
>
> It is going to be one of the people under ?sending media?.
> You just don?t know which one, and the badge may have vanished by the = time you look.

That does not work in all WG's as often the slides are shared by the chairs to minimize the number of people that have to be given access
to the share video feature.=C2=A0 The fact that media share !=3D person
speaking does occur.

I mostly replied though to add my hummmm to the requst that indicators
be added as to whom is speaking at a mic, most other shared presentation tools I have seen have this feature.

> See tools-discuss discussion.
>
> Gr??e, Carsten
--
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([2601:18b:300:36ee:9059:d85e:ea8c:7a91]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w27sm2441517qtv.68.2020.07.29.13.10.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:10:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Lemon Message-Id: <8E587F95-744E-4E6F-A3F9-76B9D02BA5D4@fugue.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0D07A5E8-6158-47A3-8629-21ED82A55E88" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:10:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org To: Bob Hinden References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 20:10:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0D07A5E8-6158-47A3-8629-21ED82A55E88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Jul 29, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Trying to not take a position on is humming a vote, but do want to = note that we usually (always?) confirm things like hums in meetings on = the mailing list. The use of email for this a lot like voting because = it is sent by identified individuals. There=E2=80=99s an important distinction, though: there is no = electorate. And I hope you aren=E2=80=99t measuring consensus purely on = the basis of the number of replies! :) --Apple-Mail=_0D07A5E8-6158-47A3-8629-21ED82A55E88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On = Jul 29, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
Trying to not take a position on is humming a vote, but do = want to note that we usually (always?) confirm things like hums in = meetings on the mailing list.   The use of email for this a = lot like voting because it is sent by identified individuals.

There=E2=80=99s an important distinction, though: there is no = electorate. And I hope you aren=E2=80=99t measuring consensus purely on = the basis of the number of replies! :)

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However, we might come to a different conclusion = if only a few people respond, rather than many. > I think we need something similar for the virtual hum. I think you are right. --Apple-Mail=_637A0721-E720-4E4E-9897-0A6AD29B3B4F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On = Jul 29, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
No, of course not.   However, we might come to a = different conclusion if only a few people respond, rather than = many.
I think we = need something similar for the virtual = hum.

I = think you are right.

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At least hum and show-of-hands ? For counting hands up, we want sum-responses, for humming we want average Cheers Toerless P.S.: i already fail talking italian at starbucks to order the right size drink, i am not sure i would ever figure out the meaning of the different italian volume levels. On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 05:07:17PM -0400, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > > No, of course not. 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[83.245.252.162]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 1sm330522lji.9.2020.07.30.07.07.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.6\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <20200729212425.GL1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:07:32 +0300 Cc: Ted Lemon , Bob Hinden , tools-discuss@ietf.org, 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <399EE7FB-7F56-4D21-A04D-544C4E268516@gmail.com> References: <8E587F95-744E-4E6F-A3F9-76B9D02BA5D4@fugue.com> <616BBD78-2982-4399-9DFC-2DC5D2D67EEB@gmail.com> <20200729212425.GL1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 14:07:54 -0000 > On 30 Jul, 2020, at 12:24 am, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > P.S.: i already fail talking italian at starbucks to order the right = size drink, > i am not sure i would ever figure out the meaning of the different = italian volume levels. Those are all familiar to me as a trained musician; traditional music = scoring uses Italian terms quite extensively. The only one that isn't = very common in music is "niente", whose meaning is obvious from context = as "silence". - Jonathan Morton= From nobody Thu Jul 30 07:20:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9EE3A11D0; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.118 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.118 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jtKHdapMIUql; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40A423A0B75; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E30548068; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 16:20:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id ADB43440043; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 16:20:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 16:20:45 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Jonathan Morton Cc: Ted Lemon , Bob Hinden , tools-discuss@ietf.org, 108attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20200730142045.GM1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <8E587F95-744E-4E6F-A3F9-76B9D02BA5D4@fugue.com> <616BBD78-2982-4399-9DFC-2DC5D2D67EEB@gmail.com> <20200729212425.GL1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <399EE7FB-7F56-4D21-A04D-544C4E268516@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <399EE7FB-7F56-4D21-A04D-544C4E268516@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 14:20:57 -0000 On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 05:07:32PM +0300, Jonathan Morton wrote: > > On 30 Jul, 2020, at 12:24 am, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > P.S.: i already fail talking italian at starbucks to order the right size drink, > > i am not sure i would ever figure out the meaning of the different italian volume levels. > > Those are all familiar to me as a trained musician; traditional music scoring uses Italian terms quite extensively. The only one that isn't very common in music is "niente", whose meaning is obvious from context as "silence". Definitely, its a very nice idea, and as long as you're alwys shown where on the scale each of the word ranges, its a fun way to learn these words. Only designs assuming you know them upfront would be problematic. E.g.: If i would read in meeting notes without further help "draft A was hummed at crescendo", "draft B was hummed at fortissimo", ...please go figure... ;-)) Cheers Toerless From nobody Thu Jul 30 07:24:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2933A11E3; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ytYIrMGmh0_U; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jays-mbp.localdomain (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 394533A11CF; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Daley Message-Id: <0C599046-7FB3-4847-9F7F-3D355F8294C8@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0878C2E6-B969-4FF3-A2C7-45C1A003B34D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 02:24:28 +1200 In-Reply-To: <399EE7FB-7F56-4D21-A04D-544C4E268516@gmail.com> Cc: Toerless Eckert , Bob Hinden , Ted Lemon , Tools Team Discussion , 108attendees@ietf.org To: Jonathan Morton References: <8E587F95-744E-4E6F-A3F9-76B9D02BA5D4@fugue.com> <616BBD78-2982-4399-9DFC-2DC5D2D67EEB@gmail.com> <20200729212425.GL1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <399EE7FB-7F56-4D21-A04D-544C4E268516@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 14:24:35 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0878C2E6-B969-4FF3-A2C7-45C1A003B34D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On 31/07/2020, at 2:07 AM, Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 >> On 30 Jul, 2020, at 12:24 am, Toerless Eckert wrote: >>=20 >> P.S.: i already fail talking italian at starbucks to order the right = size drink, >> i am not sure i would ever figure out the meaning of the different = italian volume levels. >=20 > Those are all familiar to me as a trained musician; traditional music = scoring uses Italian terms quite extensively. The only one that isn't = very common in music is "niente", whose meaning is obvious from context = as "silence". i think niente is slightly more nuanced than that - soft sound that = fades away. Hence the use of niente for a hum where just two people hum = softly or one person hums loudly, as well as a silent hum. Jay >=20 > - Jonathan Morton > --=20 > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees >=20 --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_0878C2E6-B969-4FF3-A2C7-45C1A003B34D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On 31/07/2020, at 2:07 AM, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:

On 30 Jul, 2020, at = 12:24 am, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:

P.S.:= i already fail talking italian at starbucks to order the right size = drink,
i am not sure i would ever figure out the meaning = of the different  italian volume levels.

Those are all familiar to me as a = trained musician; traditional music scoring uses Italian terms quite = extensively.  The only one that isn't very common in music is = "niente", whose meaning is obvious from context as "silence".

i = think niente is slightly more nuanced than that - soft sound that fades = away.  Hence the use of niente for a hum where just two people hum = softly or one person hums loudly, as well as a silent hum.

Jay


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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01D6668D.513B9710" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQI58mFm4sGs5KJLDbVZ6ZZl3ijk4wIP6DA2Ah0hN5sCRjGTdAKNThSmARlUjWAA1mx/yAJ+6VpzAQoX2Q6n5aobAA== Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 173.48.105.206 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1k1F2I-004NZ4-I3 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-173-48-105-206.bstnma.fios.verizon.net (FedykLabn) [173.48.105.206]:62379 X-Source-Auth: dfedyk@labn.net X-Email-Count: 7 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 20:20:30 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01D6668D.513B9710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems to me the control for this should have at least 2 inputs. a. I have read the draft / or I'm active participant in this group b. I'm humming or silent. The response should show a count of a) and a relative sound related to (b/a)%. I think the tool is assuming a) is the whole room. In a smallish group (~40) where there are 6 experts and they all hum it may barely register. In a live room this is easier. Also the 30 second count down seems to limit the number of polls in groups where I saw it used. I'd just let indicators be updated every 5 seconds until the chair closes it. Cheers Don From: 108attendees <108attendees-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jay Daley Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:24 AM To: Jonathan Morton Cc: Ted Lemon ; Toerless Eckert ; Bob Hinden ; Tools Team Discussion ; 108attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool On 31/07/2020, at 2:07 AM, Jonathan Morton > wrote: On 30 Jul, 2020, at 12:24 am, Toerless Eckert > wrote: P.S.: i already fail talking italian at starbucks to order the right size drink, i am not sure i would ever figure out the meaning of the different italian volume levels. Those are all familiar to me as a trained musician; traditional music scoring uses Italian terms quite extensively. The only one that isn't very common in music is "niente", whose meaning is obvious from context as "silence". i think niente is slightly more nuanced than that - soft sound that fades away. Hence the use of niente for a hum where just two people hum softly or one person hums loudly, as well as a silent hum. Jay - Jonathan Morton -- 108attendees mailing list 108attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01D6668D.513B9710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It seems = to me the control for this should have at least 2 = inputs.

  1. I have read the draft = / or I’m active participant in this group
  2. I’m humming or silent.

The response should show a count of a) and a relative = sound related to  (b/a)%.

I = think the tool is assuming a) is the whole room. In a smallish group = (~40) where there are 6 experts and they all hum it may barely register. =

In a live room this is easier.  =

Also the 30 second count down seems = to limit the number of polls in groups where I saw it used. I’d = just let indicators be updated every 5 seconds until the chair closes = it.


Cheers

Don

 

From: 108attendees = <108attendees-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jay = Daley
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:24 AM
To: = Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
Cc: Ted Lemon = <mellon@fugue.com>; Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>; Bob = Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>; Tools Team Discussion = <tools-discuss@ietf.org>; 108attendees@ietf.org
Subject: = Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum = tool

 

 



On 31/07/2020, at 2:07 AM, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> = wrote:

 

On = 30 Jul, 2020, at 12:24 am, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:

P.S.: = i already fail talking italian at starbucks to order the right size = drink,
i am not sure i would ever figure out the meaning of the = different  italian volume levels.


Those are all familiar to me as a trained = musician; traditional music scoring uses Italian terms quite = extensively.  The only one that isn't very common in music is = "niente", whose meaning is obvious from context as = "silence".

 

i = think niente is slightly more nuanced than that - soft sound that fades = away.  Hence the use of niente for a hum where just two people hum = softly or one person hums loudly, as well as a silent = hum.

 

Jay



 

-- 
Jay = Daley

IETF Executive Director
jay@ietf.org

=

 

------=_NextPart_000_006F_01D6668D.513B9710-- From nobody Thu Jul 30 13:38:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5B83A0C8B for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:38:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.373 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.373 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i668TAmO6Ekl for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBDB93A0C86 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 06UKcWmf034180 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:38:32 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CFCA20316F for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:38:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.12]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72231200CC3 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:38:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.11.240.32] ([10.11.240.32]) by muguet1-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 06UKc9qH018538 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:38:16 +0200 To: 108attendees@ietf.org References: <8E587F95-744E-4E6F-A3F9-76B9D02BA5D4@fugue.com> <616BBD78-2982-4399-9DFC-2DC5D2D67EEB@gmail.com> <20200729212425.GL1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <399EE7FB-7F56-4D21-A04D-544C4E268516@gmail.com> From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: <58168a0b-f5e0-5ce3-6a78-6ed855df540e@cea.fr> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:38:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <399EE7FB-7F56-4D21-A04D-544C4E268516@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms060805070804050007000808" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 20:38:39 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060805070804050007000808 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------ABB67E3BE82B4D766EE340E4" Content-Language: fr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ABB67E3BE82B4D766EE340E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 30/07/2020 =C3=A0 16:07, Jonathan Morton a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >> On 30 Jul, 2020, at 12:24 am, Toerless Eckert wrote: >> >> P.S.: i already fail talking italian at starbucks to order the right s= ize drink, >> i am not sure i would ever figure out the meaning of the different it= alian volume levels. > Those are all familiar to me as a trained musician; traditional music s= coring uses Italian terms quite extensively. The only one that isn't ver= y common in music is "niente", whose meaning is obvious from context as "= silence". Thanks for the clarification, I didnt know "niente" in scores.=C2=A0 I th= ink=20 it might mean 'nothing' and thus 'silence'. Among the common ones, there is also 'ppp' appearing in a score written=20 by Arvo P=C3=A4rt, a master of music expressing silence. PPP stands for Point-to-Point Protocol at IETF, which is a small=20 protocol in an RFC with 50 pages. But in this score, ppp might mean 'piano pianissimo' or so.=C2=A0 And fff= =20 might mean 'forte fortissimo'(?), or some bits set in a hextet of IPv6. (admitedly, an IETF inclination) Alex > > - Jonathan Morton --------------ABB67E3BE82B4D766EE340E4 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------B9729922C5623B83A62E65E6" --------------B9729922C5623B83A62E65E6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 30/07/2020 =C3=A0 16:07, Jonathan Morton a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
On 30 Jul, 2020, at 12:24 =
am, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:

P.S.: i already fail talking italian at starbucks to order the right size=
 drink,
i am not sure i would ever figure out the meaning of the different  itali=
an volume levels.
Those are all familiar to me as a trained musician; traditional music sco=
ring uses Italian terms quite extensively.  The only one that isn't very =
common in music is "niente", whose meaning is obvious from context as "si=
lence".

Thanks for the clarification, I didnt know "niente" in scores.=C2=A0= I think it might mean 'nothing' and thus 'silence'.

Among the common ones, there is also 'ppp' appearing in a score written by Arvo P=C3=A4rt, a master of music expressing silence.=C2= =A0

PPP stands for Point-to-Point Protocol at IETF, which is a small protocol in an RFC with 50 pages.=C2=A0

But in this score, ppp might mean 'piano pianissimo' or so.=C2=A0 = And fff might mean 'forte fortissimo'(?), or some bits set in a hextet of IPv6.

3D""

(admitedly, an IETF inclination)

Alex


 - Jonathan Morton
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SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OX9MWO9jxm4n for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 02:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (smtp4-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 011F83A1133 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 02:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2a01:e35:2e59:ce10::da3d:a356] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e35:2e59:ce10::da3d:a356]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CEF19F5AB for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:08:55 +0200 (CEST) To: 108attendees@ietf.org From: Alexandre Petrescu Organization: CEA Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:08:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F0D4EC7B9B93A8623571BC20" Content-Language: fr Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] IPv6 and Gather X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:09:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F0D4EC7B9B93A8623571BC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In chat during Plenary there was a brief message exchange about IPv6 and = Gather.town. An IPv6 address of access was provided, that I lost.=C2=A0 I suspect that= =20 address is in the DNS, so I dont search for it. But, I wanted to tell that all my IPv6 tests during this week show=20 consistently that video/audio interaction and left vertical buttons bar=20 do not work when my client hasn't its IPv4 stack. I tried it again this morning and it still does not work. (thanks to the = participant who agreed to test with me). I filed a detailed ticket about this to the tickets email address. Alex --------------F0D4EC7B9B93A8623571BC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

In chat during Plenary there was a brief message exchange about IPv6 and Gather.town. 

An IPv6 address of access was provided, that I lost.  I suspect that address is in the DNS, so I dont search for it.

But, I wanted to tell that all my IPv6 tests during this week show consistently that video/audio interaction and left vertical buttons bar do not work when my client hasn't its IPv4 stack.

I tried it again this morning and it still does not work. (thanks to the participant who agreed to test with me).

I filed a detailed ticket about this to the tickets email address.

Alex

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From nobody Fri Jul 31 06:48:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0B83A1183 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 06:48:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7UGkVVjBSnkq for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 06:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C3F13A1141 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 06:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AE962569; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:48:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id e8R4nkp-Ei3x; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B59762470; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:48:07 -0400 (EDT) To: Yoav Nir , 108attendees@ietf.org References: <3631939B-3728-456D-B81B-6875ED9727F4@gmail.com> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <8730d400-a343-975d-585b-686f1e561b6e@labs.htt-consult.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:47:59 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3631939B-3728-456D-B81B-6875ED9727F4@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Registration Receipt X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:48:17 -0000 On 7/31/20 9:43 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > Hi > > When we registered to the meeting, we got back a document entitled “Purchase Confirmation”. In the past, this was followed after a few weeks by a receipt. > > Is the receipt coming soon? > I got my receipt the day I registered. Already submitted under my contract for reimbursement. From nobody Fri Jul 31 08:43:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36B33A0A96 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:43:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wqhUFDh9RIuX for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D1BA3A0A92 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:43:08 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: <108attendees@ietf.org> References: <3D8B728F-90C0-4729-9656-BA654755DE05@xagsolutions.com> In-Reply-To: <3D8B728F-90C0-4729-9656-BA654755DE05@xagsolutions.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:43:06 -0700 Message-ID: <044c01d66751$4a7dab10$df790130$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQGMmeF8Oz6XIGNV3C83AGMe0ObIVqm1brZg X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] [108all] ietf network close X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:43:17 -0000 How long will I be able to use my Raspberry PI connected to a network? jim -----Original Message----- From: 108all <108all-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Sean Croghan Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 7:27 AM To: 108all@ietf.org Subject: [108all] ietf network close Everyone, As this unique meeting comes to a close I don=E2=80=99t have a network = shutdown schedule. Let me thank Google Cloud and SysEleven for contributing services for = this meeting and Cisco and Juniper, for their ongoing contributions of = equipment. Most importantly to the NOC Volunteers and Staff that are = always able to adapt, change, and deliver a robust network and group of = services.=20 Volunteers: =E2=80=A2 Hirochika Asai (Preferred Networks/WIDE) =E2=80=A2 Rob Austein (Arrcus/DRL) =E2=80=A2 Joe Clarke (Cisco) =E2=80=A2 Bill Fenner (Arista) =E2=80=A2 Bill Jensen (University of Wisconsin=E2=80=93Madison) =E2=80=A2 Hans Kuhn (NSRC) =E2=80=A2 Warren Kumari (Google) =E2=80=A2 Lucy Lynch =E2=80=A2 Karen O'Donoghue (ISOC) =E2=80=A2 Clemens Schrimpe Staff: =E2=80=A2 Rick Alfvin (Linespeed) =E2=80=A2 Alessandro Amirante (Meetecho) =E2=80=A2 Tobia Castaldi (Meetecho) =E2=80=A2 Con Reilly (Linespeed) =E2=80=A2 Nick Kukich (Linespeed) =E2=80=A2 Lorenzo Miniero (Meetecho) =E2=80=A2 Simon Pietro Romano (Meetecho) =E2=80=A2 Paolo Saviano (Meetecho) I hope you all have a great weekend and look forward to seeing everyone = in person soon.=20 =E2=80=94 Sean and The NOC Team --=20 108all mailing list 108all@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108all From nobody Fri Jul 31 12:21:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8953A0528 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:20:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HFCbNJel4pOZ for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32a.google.com (mail-wm1-x32a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCE6F3A0475 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id k20so10144397wmi.5 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:cc:to; bh=kMsekrOCIIw78ja8ddSJM3pvvZfBAanoEUqsBZTILww=; b=X9NWYdv4sChdrvuPsjdVFOy0DB9jBxvVMJ0b9VHbS9r/gQa925pjRTjUkO05u09nce z5a96qnthy2++lAidco7YoT4YXxZsDGA2bo3VOXlTzgtfhgJHqCzvEhDoWs/fCP9tnDp age8Sguru7uoILVawqhmdJFCPcn2C9ay7af/+SAyMbGwSfY7LgdgL3aOHnOgBHENEfbN UMpsAkTwDj6DBSplcAV5ff/q/CloaUPOkHboFyYeLC5XK526Y+lPis8VtIsJWN2ap+B6 NLqJP/55HGkbEW5xK243W8UKQ242xm6d5WB87ul/Ob9Onl/gpN1rpZPyBtWugw/m1pra zyJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:cc:to; bh=kMsekrOCIIw78ja8ddSJM3pvvZfBAanoEUqsBZTILww=; b=CEEbJ647S3i+49bxCbBiyaWgbJBJIgQygiZb4UNCQIuEDLacZj2iattKB7hjaQ65bg UmKJcve1PevpKTUxvlZLpj9Y5/m90agxpwMXSXkXqZQkgBmnvsaf76xjSqYDYvQxo3fw OP+Jec504ja1MWfXNlTXcO6UUyTHxg+xy3FFraR6aPrmCfkcEwpkptgMesYGMC3glKag ZHdwFMfLwI6ljTZSukFaV8EioQaqDCCm30l22ikNM4Q20vcjP5bScEaGCiCYGK5WHV+0 feIeU9ZoBtA8hXkvF7SCebitccdMdPH6+PEAhTctju4ARNj+tXAN/VL3zzUTr1LGeDUn /m/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533c6wydMYNjDXhPMB47bJiODcl5NDu53jpmvrCUzK1RK/m7fSTP M7ozpWVvkEgcKGOM7SIyx1BfTaBv X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwO2dzcHvdLcbY1FsM4Vc9PjzdCpymyI6zOtyazRM2QBeAJBKJ6SKOWADLzQb81id1w9wDkvg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:9909:: with SMTP id b9mr407468wme.98.1596223254871; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:5a00:ef0b:f1cf:c40e:462b:e42c? ([2601:647:5a00:ef0b:f1cf:c40e:462b:e42c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f12sm13654555wmc.46.2020.07.31.12.20.53 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:20:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D0CE3532-1938-45FB-A273-A2902355BD64"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:20:49 -0700 Cc: Bob Hinden To: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) Archived-At: Subject: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:20:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D0CE3532-1938-45FB-A273-A2902355BD64 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IETF 108. = Overall, I think everything worked out very well. While I don=E2=80=99t = think it was a productive as a face to face meeting, given we can=E2=80=99= t do that, it was very good. I say that even though I had a few = sessions that started at 4am local time for me :-) Kudos to AMS, Meetecho, NOC Team, tools team, w.g. chairs, IESG, and = everyone else involved. I suspect we will get to do this again in November. Bob --Apple-Mail=_D0CE3532-1938-45FB-A273-A2902355BD64 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEm0rfRsOCoyamPexGrut0EXfnu6gFAl8kbxEACgkQrut0EXfn u6ga+QgArNLzhoLCnBnwyeEKYC5rM+Y3ieMAl194LcRkMmhyXpS7UbvDdcIsdqe5 pcBYZg8hqfFB9Mj0xngAH2SeoRbjNv0jvfGXSmEBg/UlDGvN0L3ZDJdg6fHhY1XB w2bukHeYPb9iBG8cKlZIxAqlS7vgFz6JnKkEWKZQvoH8auypN0AFOl0QD6nV3Xjt yAkcmFVhgeKrn5MDM8h4Mm/pfyk7BrIVv0OJlKFaNMs2a7DQlD9SQHQ7xg6xEm/5 p2XjOnubBMcZTeMF9YbB5DytlVFRYKzCbDyW756tpbR8AyXZ8SiJMQLx/4Fuzzdf mCaeuYQksVtQ/AN8x+PQVv4JqarRPQ== =hkot -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_D0CE3532-1938-45FB-A273-A2902355BD64-- From nobody Fri Jul 31 12:25:47 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1CB3A07B3 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:25:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6CLSUlVk9SjA for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [200.7.84.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38713A0544 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lacnic.net.uy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id E794216B40664; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:25:41 -0300 (UYT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lacnic.net.uy Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy ([127.0.0.1]) by hermes.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3pWYNlsC0qXE; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:25:41 -0300 (UYT) Received: from [200.10.62.136] (unknown [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:2128:3da7:cf46:9405:1199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1754516B404B6; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:25:41 -0300 (UYT) From: "Carlos M. Martinez" To: "Bob Hinden" Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:25:40 -0300 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_MailMate_A3389F6C-8D93-4B0E-9ED2-E75BC88D8F46_="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:25:46 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 3156 and 4880). --=_MailMate_A3389F6C-8D93-4B0E-9ED2-E75BC88D8F46_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1, I think it was a productive and useful meeting. A special word for the ANRW. I found most of the talks very interesting. = I believe it complements the main IETF program very well. /Carlos Carlos M. Martinez CTO - Gerente de Tecnolog=C3=ADa LACNIC On 31 Jul 2020, at 16:20, Bob Hinden wrote: > Hi, > > I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IETF 108.= Overall, I think everything worked out very well. While I don=E2=80=99= t think it was a productive as a face to face meeting, given we can=E2=80= =99t do that, it was very good. I say that even though I had a few sess= ions that started at 4am local time for me :-) > > Kudos to AMS, Meetecho, NOC Team, tools team, w.g. chairs, IESG, and ev= eryone else involved. > > I suspect we will get to do this again in November. > > Bob > > -- = > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees --=_MailMate_A3389F6C-8D93-4B0E-9ED2-E75BC88D8F46_= Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHAEARECADAWIQQUvAE4VaJn/apKK7gsaI9s1RUHogUCXyRwNBIcY2FybG9zQGxh Y25pYy5uZXQACgkQLGiPbNUVB6Iw4wCgh74s/9VyTVn1rcCdhHxAc2AxJlEAoKcE MlGgnzBvvi6KmOi3OWK3vekP =idjS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_MailMate_A3389F6C-8D93-4B0E-9ED2-E75BC88D8F46_=-- From nobody Fri Jul 31 12:32:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E16D3A0BF0 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:32:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u8Ulo6uUo3mC for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.128.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D36E43A08AC for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D541600C4; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id y1J7uemEyWLM; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92661600EB; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:32:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 1TzJbVS5N6oA; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (cpe-76-91-255-77.socal.res.rr.com [76.91.255.77]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6F9F1600C4; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Lixia Zhang In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:32:27 -0700 Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <48772148-B5C8-445B-B51D-BC179B245231@cs.ucla.edu> References: To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:32:51 -0000 > On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IETF = 108. Overall, I think everything worked out very well. While I don=E2=80= =99t think it was a productive as a face to face meeting, given we = can=E2=80=99t do that, it was very good. I say that even though I had = a few sessions that started at 4am local time for me :-) >=20 > Kudos to AMS, Meetecho, NOC Team, tools team, w.g. chairs, IESG, and = everyone else involved. >=20 > I suspect we will get to do this again in November. and we'd do even better by then, with more experience on user side and = further polishup on the tools side :-) Lixia= From nobody Fri Jul 31 12:39:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFB73A0895 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TrCh2RXsSRHj for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3164D3A0898 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730889CA for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:39:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=FJwG021f/fJii4TyxkY9uNP11kuppcqH3FxO8UBfn PM=; b=QMSaBje1VJurQIrv5m6s0Z1pBN2OvViCOzp0No4k2vOtx8SyPjiARQSb0 SpNlbFT9LIrXfcDPtWwjgIa1DbQWjx0nm/tNdmz+u+t0/g5CH6k1wPr9Qc11RgOV nG64S9Zz9P4o59O8WuWTK69zAh0/cKYTrWhUFNDPpaxNrPWSyx9BrAGzzFumSwLo BG5R7LNZ/qANClaOUZtHl3gJ+t0Hd3KS9OyrDf2+0+7tj7pOCUys/efhuer2zylP ib4twbQ+Lxair9aFJHqMLtuuJswN0CNoQe1aLxfEz5gK9w6a7HXKqq5mM5AdxZqP rY4l1dB7/z1mospjnGIgxOWcClSrw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrieekgddugedtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtke ertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefmvghithhhucfoohhorhgvuceomhhoohhrvgesnhgvthif ohhrkhdqhhgvrhgvthhitghsrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeehhfeutdehfe fgfefghfekhefguefgieduueegjeekfeelleeuieffteefueduueenucfkphepuddtkedr vddvuddrudektddrudehnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrg hilhhfrhhomhepmhhoohhrvgesnhgvthifohhrkhdqhhgvrhgvthhitghsrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.1.85] (108-221-180-15.lightspeed.knvltn.sbcglobal.net [108.221.180.15]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 92B73328005D for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:39:33 -0400 (EDT) To: 108attendees@ietf.org References: From: Keith Moore Message-ID: <18dc9d9f-cdb3-e85b-5504-db0d41c44707@network-heretics.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:39:32 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:39:37 -0000 On 7/31/20 3:20 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Hi, > > I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IETF 108. Overall, I think everything worked out very well. While I don’t think it was a productive as a face to face meeting, given we can’t do that, it was very good. I say that even though I had a few sessions that started at 4am local time for me :-) > > Kudos to AMS, Meetecho, NOC Team, tools team, w.g. chairs, IESG, and everyone else involved. > > I suspect we will get to do this again in November. Yes, thanks to everyone who worked hard to put this together.   I found the experience nearly as good as I could imagine it being, particularly given the short time available. 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pwnImUEBgHv2Q4PeWP8DK2FNwGC3qfd92" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:53:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --pwnImUEBgHv2Q4PeWP8DK2FNwGC3qfd92 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="87OTRYFUs4oIz9DFSfVxaRhuiYRQU4tWf"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: Bob Hinden , 108attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <3b9cc8e5-a9f2-cc44-8fc5-6b7649e43343@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 References: In-Reply-To: --87OTRYFUs4oIz9DFSfVxaRhuiYRQU4tWf Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CB9E9E380A9419941EEDF93D" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CB9E9E380A9419941EEDF93D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 31/07/2020 20:20, Bob Hinden wrote: >=20 > I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IETF > 108. 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protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms050107050907010805090305" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:07:52 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050107050907010805090305 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5649BC592A6362D181F9D884" Content-Language: fr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5649BC592A6362D181F9D884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 31/07/2020 =C3=A0 21:20, Bob Hinden a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > Hi, > > I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IETF 108.= Overall, I think everything worked out very well. While I don=E2=80=99= t think it was a productive as a face to face meeting, given we can=E2=80= =99t do that, it was very good. I say that even though I had a few sess= ions that started at 4am local time for me :-) > > Kudos to AMS, Meetecho, NOC Team, tools team, w.g. chairs, IESG, and ev= eryone else involved. > > I suspect we will get to do this again in November. > > Bob I was very happy at this IETF virtual meeting. It's the second virtual meeting (the 1st was in March) and I noted maybe = 500 attendants to the virtual Plenary, rather than 270 or so in March. Thank you organizers. Alex > > --------------5649BC592A6362D181F9D884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 31/07/2020 =C3=A0 21:20, Bob Hinden a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi,

I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IETF 108.  =
Overall, I think everything worked out very well.  While I don=E2=80=99t =
think it was a productive as a face to face meeting, given we can=E2=80=99=
t do that, it was very good.   I say that even though I had a few session=
s that started at 4am local time for me :-)

Kudos to AMS, Meetecho, NOC Team, tools team, w.g. chairs, IESG, and ever=
yone else involved.

I suspect we will get to do this again in November.

Bob


I was very happy at this IETF virtual meeting.

It's the second virtual meeting (the 1st was in March) and I noted maybe 500 attendants to the virtual Plenary, rather than 270 or so in March.

Thank you organizers.

Alex



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Cc: Keith Moore , "108attendees@ietf.org" <108attendees@ietf.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2FB39597-ED4A-4070-805E-B81FDA9461DD@gmail.com> References: <18dc9d9f-cdb3-e85b-5504-db0d41c44707@network-heretics.com> To: "Black, David" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:07:59 -0000 > On Jul 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Black, David = wrote: >=20 >> Yes, thanks to everyone who worked hard to put this together. I = found the experience nearly as good as I could imagine it being, = particularly given the short time available. >=20 > +1, with particular thanks to the Meetecho team for an eminently = usable meeting tool. I think it deserves higher praise that that. I=E2=80=99ll go so far as = to say: it=E2=80=99s better (for us) than Zoom. 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This was a very successful experience - not being in the worst TZ! Yours, Daniel On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 4:05 PM Black, David wrote: > > Yes, thanks to everyone who worked hard to put this together. I found > the experience nearly as good as I could imagine it being, particularly > given the short time available. > > +1, with particular thanks to the Meetecho team for an eminently usable > meeting tool. > > Thanks, --David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 108attendees <108attendees-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Keith > Moore > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 3:40 PM > > To: 108attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 > > > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] > > > > On 7/31/20 3:20 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IETF > 108. Overall, I > > think everything worked out very well. While I don=E2=80=99t think it = was a > productive as a > > face to face meeting, given we can=E2=80=99t do that, it was very good.= I say > that even > > though I had a few sessions that started at 4am local time for me :-) > > > > > > Kudos to AMS, Meetecho, NOC Team, tools team, w.g. chairs, IESG, and > everyone > > else involved. > > > > > > I suspect we will get to do this again in November. > > > > Yes, thanks to everyone who worked hard to put this together. I found > the > > experience nearly as good as I could imagine it being, particularly > given the short > > time available. > > > > I suspect we will get to do this for longer than any one of us wishes > for. :( > > > > Keith > > > > > > -- > > 108attendees mailing list > > 108attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > --=20 Daniel Migault Ericsson --00000000000064274705abc26577 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you to all that organized this ietf - schedule the a= genda, find alternate tools, develop=C2=A0operate=C2=A0the tools. This was = a very successful experience - not being in the worst TZ!
Yours,=C2=A0<= br>Daniel

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 4:05 PM Black, David <David.Black@dell.com> wrote:
=
> Yes, thanks to every= one who worked hard to put this together.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I found the experienc= e nearly as good as I could imagine it being, particularly given the short = time available.

+1, with particular thanks to the Meetecho team for an eminently usable mee= ting tool.

Thanks, --David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 108attendees <108attendees-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Keit= h Moore
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 3:40 PM
> To: 108atte= ndees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108
>
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>
> On 7/31/20 3:20 PM, Bob Hinden wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IET= F 108.=C2=A0 Overall, I
> think everything worked out very well.=C2=A0 While I don=E2=80=99t thi= nk it was a productive as a
> face to face meeting, given we can=E2=80=99t do that, it was very good= .=C2=A0 =C2=A0I say that even
> though I had a few sessions that started at 4am local time for me :-)<= br> > >
> > Kudos to AMS, Meetecho, NOC Team, tools team, w.g. chairs, IESG, = and everyone
> else involved.
> >
> > I suspect we will get to do this again in November.
>
> Yes, thanks to everyone who worked hard to put this together.=C2=A0=C2= =A0 I found the
> experience nearly as good as I could imagine it being, particularly gi= ven the short
> time available.
>
> I suspect we will get to do this for longer than any one of us wishes = for.=C2=A0 :(
>
> Keith
>
>
> --
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Great preparation from all involved to make this as good of an experience as could be expected for an online meeting. On Fri, 31 Jul 2020, Daniel Migault wrote: | | [External Email. Be cautious of content] | | Thank you to all that organized this ietf - schedule the agenda, find alternate tools, develop operate the tools. This was a very successful experience - not being in the worst TZ! Yours,  | Daniel | | On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 4:05 PM Black, David wrote: | > Yes, thanks to everyone who worked hard to put this together.   I found the experience nearly as good as I could imagine it being, particularly given the short time available. | | +1, with particular thanks to the Meetecho team for an eminently usable meeting tool. | | Thanks, --David | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: 108attendees <108attendees-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Keith Moore | > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 3:40 PM | > To: 108attendees@ietf.org | > Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 | > | > | > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] | > | > On 7/31/20 3:20 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: | > > Hi, | > > | > > I just wanted to thanks everyone involved it putting together IETF 108.  Overall, I | > think everything worked out very well.  While I don?t think it was a productive as a | > face to face meeting, given we can?t do that, it was very good..   I say that even | > though I had a few sessions that started at 4am local time for me :-) | > > | > > Kudos to AMS, Meetecho, NOC Team, tools team, w.g. chairs, IESG, and everyone | > else involved. | > > | > > I suspect we will get to do this again in November. | > | > Yes, thanks to everyone who worked hard to put this together.   I found the | > experience nearly as good as I could imagine it being, particularly given the short | > time available. | > | > I suspect we will get to do this for longer than any one of us wishes for.  :( | > | > Keith | > | > | > -- | > 108attendees mailing list | > 108attendees@ietf.org | > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees | -- | 108attendees mailing list | 108attendees@ietf.org | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees | | | | -- | Daniel Migault | Ericsson | | From nobody Fri Jul 31 13:23:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A070B3A0B0D for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eA5OOKrAZZgy for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 898753A0B0C for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k1bZI-0002lv-Ux; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:23:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:23:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Tony Li Cc: 108attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <2FB39597-ED4A-4070-805E-B81FDA9461DD@gmail.com> References: <18dc9d9f-cdb3-e85b-5504-db0d41c44707@network-heretics.com> <2FB39597-ED4A-4070-805E-B81FDA9461DD@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:23:57 -0000 > I think it deserves higher praise that that. I=A2ll go so far as to > say: it=A2s better (for us) than Zoom. i think it was webex last time. and meetecho was much better indeed. i have not been in a zoom conference with more than a couple of hundred, e.g. pam, so can not say how it would scale to ietf style. but i am in a too darned many zoom conferences daily, webex once a week, and the microsoft whatever rarely. meetecho is adapted well to the ietf modes and needs. those modes and needs could change if our corporate culture stops trying to reproduce the physical meetings and gets hip to this internet thing. next week, defcon/blackhat will be interesting. i will spin up a scratch laptop with which to participate, and wipe or destroy it afterward. randy From nobody Fri Jul 31 13:37:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8507F3A0B91 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:59:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <18dc9d9f-cdb3-e85b-5504-db0d41c44707@network-heretics.com> <2FB39597-ED4A-4070-805E-B81FDA9461DD@gmail.com> <8AA2AACB-C9E6-4518-8315-B45FEB27967D@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <8AA2AACB-C9E6-4518-8315-B45FEB27967D@juniper.net> From: Gyan Mishra Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:59:14 -0400 Message-ID: To: Melchior Aelmans Cc: "108attendees@ietf.org" <108attendees@ietf.org>, "Black, David" , Keith Moore , Tony Li Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006600ec05abc31013" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108 X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:59:30 -0000 --0000000000006600ec05abc31013 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very nice experience. Thanks again to all whom were involved in putting this together. As we maybe using MeetEcho in the fall I would like to provide some feedback. There were some audio issue for those presenting as I had an audio issue during my BESS presentation. Issue with echo or low volume. Their is little or no grace period when the meeting end and if someone is in the middle of presenting they are cutoff immediately. This happened in almost every session I attended. Unfortunately with MeetEcho you can only log in from a single device. I tried logging in from 2 and of disconnects you from the first device connected. Due to the many meeting conflicts with multi bookings it does make it difficult on the audience to participate in critical meetings they would normally attend. There seems to be a lot of schedule conflicts with multiple meetings booked for the same window. I think the use of multiple devices simultaneously is critical to make MeetEcho viable. I was able to connect via iPhone and could receive audio and video but could not send audio or talk. I tried disconnecting and reconnecting multiple times but it did not work. Their seems to be issue with UTC timezone was EDT -4 and ET -5 which now we are EDT and the meeting would use ET which unfortunately I missed some sessions. Kind Regards Gyan On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 4:38 PM Melchior Aelmans wrote: > Agreed! Very pleasant and smooth experience! > > =EF=BB=BFOn 31/07/2020, 22:08, "108attendees on behalf of Tony Li" < > 108attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tony1athome@gmail.com> wrote: > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > > On Jul 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Black, David > wrote: > > > >> Yes, thanks to everyone who worked hard to put this together. I > found the experience nearly as good as I could imagine it being, > particularly given the short time available. > > > > +1, with particular thanks to the Meetecho team for an eminently > usable meeting tool. > > > I think it deserves higher praise that that. I=E2=80=99ll go so far = as to > say: it=E2=80=99s better (for us) than Zoom. > > Tony > > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108atte= ndees__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!Q9Ys7260wWvyg5jrkULBihc0VWuSa1CyGEuTBdl34LHxcOZNyD6sy= XWVMmrjN4vB$ > > > Juniper Business Use Only > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD --0000000000006600ec05abc31013 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Very nice experience.=C2=A0 Thanks ag= ain to all whom were involved in putting this together.

As we maybe using MeetEcho in the fall I wo= uld like to provide some feedback.

There were some audio issue for those presenting as I had an aud= io issue during my BESS presentation.=C2=A0 Issue with echo or low volume.<= /div>

Their is little or no gr= ace period when the meeting end and if someone is in the middle of presenti= ng they are cutoff immediately.=C2=A0 This happened in almost every session= I attended.

Unfortunate= ly with MeetEcho you can only log in from a single device.=C2=A0 I tried lo= gging in from 2 and of disconnects you from the first device connected.

Due to the many meeting con= flicts with multi bookings it does make it difficult on the audience to par= ticipate in critical meetings they would normally attend.

There seems to be a lot of schedule confl= icts with multiple meetings booked for the same window.

I think the use of multiple devices simulta= neously is critical to make MeetEcho viable. =C2=A0
=
I was able to connect via iPhone and could rece= ive audio and video but could not send audio or talk.=C2=A0 I tried disconn= ecting and reconnecting multiple times but it did not work.

Their seems to be issue with UTC time= zone was EDT -4 and ET -5 which now we are EDT and the meeting =C2=A0would = use ET which unfortunately I missed some sessions.
<= br>
Kind Regards=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0



On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 4:38 PM Melchior Aelmans <maelma= ns=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ie= tf.org> wrote:
Agreed! Very = pleasant and smooth experience!

=EF=BB=BFOn 31/07/2020, 22:08, "108attendees on behalf of Tony Li"= ; <10= 8attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tony1athome@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [External Email. Be cautious of content]


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > On Jul 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Black, David <David.Black@dell.com>= ; wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> Yes, thanks to everyone who worked hard to put this = together.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I found the experience nearly as good as I could imag= ine it being, particularly given the short time available.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > +1, with particular thanks to the Meetecho team for an e= minently usable meeting tool.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think it deserves higher praise that that.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99= ll go so far as to say: it=E2=80=99s better (for us) than Zoom.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tony

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